Talk:Clan Smoke Jaguar

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Fidelis leader[edit]

The leader of the Fidelis is Paul Moon. The citation is a forum post by the author of Surrender Your Dreams, Blaine Lee Pardoe. In that post, he names Paul Moon as the person holding onto the CSJ Remembrance in the epilogue. Please stop editing to the contrary, or, if you do, at least do it with a reference. --Scaletail 07:53, 26 October 2008 (PDT)

Jaguar on the Loose[edit]

It states in the Clan Wolf source book that the Clans who had won the right to be invading forces of the Inner Sphere then bid and challenged one another for the rights to specific invasion corridors.

Clan Smoke Jaguar was the most successful of these, and won the rights for the prestigious Draconis Corridor, while Clan Jade Falcon seized the Lyran Corridor. Clan Ghost Bear disappointed many with a poor performance in these trials, earning only the Rasalhague/Draconis Corridor.

Clan Wolf was exempt from the preliminary trials, but included in the invasion force due to the fact that they carried the Kerensky bloodline. Likewise, they were exempt from the invasion corridor trials and given the Lyran-Rasalhague corridor by the Crusader Clans, as it seemed to have the least room for glory to be reaped.

None of this is directly quoted.

Some of this info is not needed in this specific article, but the Jaguar info is quite pertinent (I assume). How would I go about inserting it without stepping on the feet of the authors? Or is this info no longer cannon?

God bless the discussion page. Rebelscum 05:04, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Good questions.
I am assuming the three paragraphs above are from one of the official sources (verbatim). If that is so, then they cannot be directly quoted. Rally, the closest thing we have to direct quotes in this wiki are the book articles, which allow direct quotes from the backs of the books themselves, but not from within the book.
If you feel something is pertinent, find the best place -chronologically-speaking- to insert it. Each article is a consensus effort, whether one or many Editors have contributed. If only one has contributed, that means every other Editor (and each visitor) who reads the page agrees with the format and the content. If someone does not like the information you have placed, they will either move/remove it or open a discussion about it.
Regarding canonicity: as long as something was once discussed by a canon source, it is allowable here. If its canonicity is in question, then that should be mentioned in a ==Notes== section, as long as a reference is provided for the changes.--Revanche (talk|contribs) 11:59, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
I've read the Clan Wolf Sourcebook, and that's simply not the version that I recall. Look at the invasion corridors. Which are best positioned for an eventual strike at Terra? The central ones, naturally, that tend to be less defended by the FRR than the successor states. The Wolves, despite their original opposition, still got the best corridor, and forced the ilKhan to join them as well. ClanWolverine101 16:52, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
You're not thinking like a Clanner. Of course you want to take the most direct route through the weakest enemies to get to the goal, Terra. Clanners want to take the longest route through the most difficult enemies because it proves they are superior. --Scaletail 17:19, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
In a continuation of a previous discussion: what are the stated steps & goals, rather than the perceived ones?--Revanche (talk|contribs) 17:29, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
Scaletail - I am not going to argue with you. I'll dig up the Wolf Clan Sourcebook in a few days for my references. If you have your own references, please post them. And BTW? If Clanners were REALLY serious about proving their superiority, they wouldn't have brought out front-line Omnimechs against 3025 era mechs. ClanWolverine101 19:44, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
This actually was not verbatim (to the best of my knowledge), my Wolf Clan source book is at a friend's house where we played BattleTech. I just happen to have a sharp memory for things I have read, and a vocabulary that shows it. I was instilled with excellent writing skills, so I could be utilized as my professor's slave editor, which then happened, I have the credit to prove so. But more pertinent is this issue: The flanks of the invasion were viewed as the highest honor available, as they would be facing the brunt of the fighting. And further, the crusader's plans backfired as the Wolves leaped ahead of all other clans, being the first to abandon the wave strategy plotted by Leo Showers, a strategy that was meant to ensure that the Wolves would be held back. In the Blood of Kerensky novels, the Smoke Jaguars went so far as to demand a trail of grievance against the Wolves for abandoning the plan (as well as the fact that they were smarting from the death of their beloved ilKhan and wished some sort of satisfaction), but were then verbally embarrassed in front of the Grand Council on Strana Mechty essentially for whining (un-clanlike behavior). Thanks for the quickness of response as well as the intensity. That was why I did NOT want to rush into editing this, no matter how bold we are instructed to be. Rebelscum 03:26, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
It is also important to remember that the concept of ilClan was introduced by Ulric Kerensky upon being elected ilKhan, something to favor his Wolves after the dishonor of being held back by politics. Prior to the invasion, there were no plans for a clan to be the official superior, but instead all Clans would work together to rebuild the Star League. That was what the Warden/Crusader conflict revolved around; weather to conquer the Successor States, as the Crusaders desired, or to lead and protect them, as the Wardens desired.Rebelscum 03:56, 5 April 2010 (UTC)


The squashed text at the start of the page looks awful can anyone sort it out? Dark Jaguar (talk) 02:56, 11 June 2016 (PDT)

I fixed the problem, it was a bit of code basically inserting two ToCs. Dark Jaguar (talk) 05:31, 11 June 2016 (PDT)