Talk:Clan Wolverine

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Clan Stone Lion?[edit]

This article a unknown clan (least to me) known as Clan Stone Lion. Is that a canon faction in the Clans? -- Wrangler 03:40, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

We both hit it at the same time. No, it is not. Turns out CSL is a fan creation. I've reverted all uncited, non-fanon edits by the IPs responsible and let them know where to find the canon policy. Thanks for keeping an eye out.--Revanche (talk|contribs) 03:51, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Wolverine's True Story[edit]

Betrayal Of Ideals describes this story in a quite different way, especially the nuke was not planted by clan wolverine but instead by two saboteurs of clan widowmaker and detonated by the widowmaker khan. what is canon now? Dunkelfalke 21:31, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

This article has not been updated with info from those stories. --Scaletail 22:25, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
Feel free to update it, Dunkelfalke. Don't delete information (regarding the 'old' understanding), but indicate where the 'perception' may have changed. Imagine yourself as an historian, looking back on those times, and reading source material from differing points in time. Write from the perspective of what it appears to you 'now', much later in time.--Revanche (talk|contribs) 23:41, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

After reading the "Betrayal Of Ideals" stories, I also wonder if there were in fact two distinct group of survivors of clan Wolverine,
a) the ones using the "Zughoffer Weir" McKenna-class warship (and maybe accompanying ships), remains of the larger task force led by then Khan Hallis, engaged by the hunters during their resupply stop at the Barbados system (located way off of the "Exodus road"). At least the "Zughoffer Weir" seemed to be able to have made an escape.
b) the smaller task force, arriving in the Barbados system after the battle, picking up the few survivors on Barbados and merging with a smaller group (Sibko) which also arrived late in the system.
Per order of the ilKhan all records and maps were altered to purge the Barbados system from the "common memory", so founding a colony and hiding in that very system would have been feasible. And somehow the "Zughoffer Weir" seams to have made it at least into the reach of ComStar/WoB, probably into the IS or at least the near periphery.-- 11:32, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

I've updated the article with info from Betrayal of Ideals ... while I agree that it is highly likely there were two separate groups of Clan Wolverine survivors, I highly doubt that they would colonize Barbados ... too risky ... they would have no idea it was purged from Clan records. JubalHarshaw (talk) 22:35, 21 January 2016 (PST)

Jihad Secrets: The Blake Documents[edit]

Jihad Secrets: The Blake Documents make some conclusions (and contradictions) that the escaped Wolverines/Minnesota Tribe secretly joined Comstar, founded the five "hidden worlds", manipulated history, and eventually became the foundation for the Manei Domini. Thing is, the book intentionally contradicts itself, pointing out numerous times that "Wait - this part CAN'T be true..." and such. How do we want to incorporate all of this? ClanWolverine101 20:45, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Except isn't there a blurb in the Explorer Corp book about the Minnesota Tribe. That the Explorers did actually find the planet or a planet that members settled on but because of colony size the colony died out. It's either in Explorer or in Comstar.--Trynnallen 20:54, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
So? That doesn't contradict anything. Perfectly possible it was an abandoned colony. ClanWolverine101 21:31, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
I'm not saying it would. But I took as a terminal end of the Minnesota Tribe.--Trynnallen 15:21, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
Neither Explorer Corps or ComStar make mention of any colony, just that they lost the trail near Valentina. As for the Blake Document stuff, until we get confirmation (which IMO pray is its BS), probably best to have a header along the lines of "Rumored fate of Clan Wolverine" make mention up front its canon rumor. Cyc 00:08, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
  • Hmmm, I gotta go digging it's in one of the Periphary books.--Trynnallen 15:21, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
After scouring the books, the planet I was thinking of was in the Periphary but was for a SLDF unit that had mechanical difficulties and never caught up with the Exodus Fleet. --Trynnallen 14:48 23 January 2011 (UTC)
  • I agree with Cyc's idea on how to handle the writing. We don't report it as fact, but rather as speculation. Most everything in The Secrets books should be approached that way. They aren't apocryphal, as we define it, but it can be written such as, "It has been speculated by (character name) that Clan Wolverine met ComStar in the year..."--Revanche (talk|contribs) 15:15, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
Oh, I never intended to present it as fact. Lord knows, the books don't present it as absolute fact, either. The books, in fact, point out why certain elements are either impossible, or dependent on "everything you knew was wrong" type of situation. Let's be honest : The CW stuff is to tease us (and me, in particular. Please note my handle. :P ) but that doesn't mean it isn't relevant. Those who have read my articles are probably aware that I always to present info that's not confirmed in-universe in the proper light. (Particularly when the books completely contradict themselves - go read Michi Noketsuna.) So - are we good to go? ClanWolverine101 15:50, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
Ok, gotcha. I guess, then, I don't understand the question. --Revanche (talk|contribs) 17:37, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
I'm basically asking if its okay for half an entire article to be in-universe questionable. ClanWolverine101 18:47, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
Absolutely. Its from a canon & official source. Have at it!--Revanche (talk|contribs) 19:09, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
Of course, said information needs to be clearly marked as merely a rumour within the universe; see article Canon Rumor (you might want to link to that article somewhere in the relevant section). Frabby 22:49, 23 January 2011 (UTC)


Much of this article (including the entire story of their annihilation) comes right out of The Clans: Warriors of Kerensky. It's quoted verbatim, without attribution, and is a flat-out violation of BT intellectual property. It all needs to be deleted ASAP. 21:50, 1 December 2012 (PST)

Can I get a registered editor to confirm these claims? Thanks. ClanWolverine101 (talk) 05:19, 2 December 2012 (PST)
Confirm. I have removed a large chunk of material that was copied verbatim from the sourcebook. Frabby (talk) 08:59, 2 December 2012 (PST)