Talk:Defiance Industries

Assassin[edit]

I know the Assassin was produced by Defiance at one point, but I can't figure which plant. Any help? ClanWolverine101 20:01, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

defiance industries a joint venture?[edit]

hello, as far as i remember there was with the very first mech, the mackie "secret" extraction of the blueprints, they where stolen by loki and rim world secret service in a rare cooperation of both states. so there was defiance industries on hesperus before archon viola was alive or iam wrong? didnt remember the exact sourcebook, but it was an old one, as far as i remmember...

thanks heinzbond

The Terran Hegemony had apparently chartered part of the planet from the Lyrans to build the Defiance Industries BattleMech factory into the Myoo mountains. It was a Hegemony-exclusive installation on a Lyran planet. I don't think the reasoning behind this strange Hegemony decision was never revealed. See Proliferation Cycle: Prometheus Unbound. Frabby 21:20, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Chameleon[edit]

Hello, I have not worked on these production pages, and I am certain I will miss something. Can someone add production info for the Chameleon, which was produced at Defiance Industries on Hesperus II until 3052? Thanks!--S.gage (talk) 21:17, 4 October 2012 (PDT)

Founding Year[edit]

How can be the Founding Year of the Defiance Industries Company 2577? Defiance Industries start fabrication of the Zeus Battlemech for the Lyran Commonwealth at 2458.

What source tells you that they started working on the Zeus in 2458? The earliest model of the Zeus is the ZEU-5T, which was introduced in 2787, a few hundred years after you say they started working on it. So I think it's safe to say that they started in 2577. Additionally, they also produced mechs older than the Zeus such as the Wasp and Locust, but this doesn't mean that they were the first to produce them. -BobTheZombie (talk) 19:35, 24 March 2014 (PDT)
This is one of the oldest errata issues in BattleTech and dates from the 1980s - the intro date for the Zeus was given in TRO:3025 from the first edition (and through several reprintings) as 2458, despite it being a Lyran 'Mech and Hesperus II being a Terran Hegemony company, not a Lyran one. It's been corrected on the MUL and in various reprinted TROs (including TRO:3039, I think) by moving the intro date of the Zeus.BrokenMnemonic (talk) 00:45, 25 March 2014 (PDT)
Ah, that makes sense; I was only using the resources available to me. Thanks for clearing that up. -BobTheZombie (talk) 04:25, 25 March 2014 (PDT)
One of the reasons I remember that one so distinctly is that there've been a few discussions on the CGL forum in the few years I've been there where people have discussed FASA's continuity and editing issues, and the intro date of the Zeus is one of those flagged up as an example of things that went wrong - another is the absence of Tikonov from the original Objective Raids, despite it being one of the biggest 'Mech production centres in the Inner Sphere. And I know it makes me a sad git that I can remember such things... BrokenMnemonic (talk) 06:00, 25 March 2014 (PDT)
The source is follow Book: http://www.amazon.de/Battletech-Die-Welt-31-Jahrhunderts/dp/3453213661. Page 416, Zeus fabrication start 2458. Page 308, commencement of Defince Mechplant at Hesperus II 2578. No more info for the founding Year of the Company.— The preceding unsigned comment was provided by ‎87.176.238.10 (talkcontribs) .
We actually have an article here on Die Welt des 31. Jahrhunderts that indicates the book doesn't meet the criteria for being canon and an explanation of why. Frabby can probably provide more detail - from the little I know of the book, it appears to me that the introduction date for the Zeus mentioned in the book has been taken from an earlier source, Technical Readout: 3025, which was itself ruled to be incorrect. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 00:56, 26 March 2014 (PDT)