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Clan Version[edit]

Hi all , That's me again ! I saw you classed the IIC version of this 'mech as a variant of the 'Mech. Are you sure the added components the IIC received didn't made this new version an entirely new Battlemech ? I have the TRO about it and I can create an entry for this 'Mech --FIVE-one 15:08, 13 December 2007 (CST)

All of the 'Mechs that got new Clan variants (Locust, Marauder, Highlander, etc.) are briefly listed under the variants section with a link to the appropriate article. This was never intended to be the only treatment these Clan 'Mechs received. The vast majority of the articles have simply not yet been written. If you could start us off, it would be appreciated. --Scaletail 21:02, 13 December 2007 (CST)
I think FIVE-one meant to suggest that the "variant" reference to the IIC models should be removed, or at least reworded to point out that these are not variants of their namesakes - an opinion that I positively agree with. Actually, according to their TMs and history the IIC "Variants" are entirely new designs for all intents and purposes. If listing these as variants, you would have to list the Hatamoto-Chi as a proper variant of the Charger, too, because it is based on the same chassis. Or the Grand Dragon, which is really only a variant of the Dragon and probably does not deserve its own entry. Not to mention the LAMs. Frabby 06:28, 14 December 2007 (CST)
I have no problem with articles being created for the IICs in this case. However, there needs to be a note to that effect of the original article, so that someone looking for, say, a Locust IIC can get from 'here' to 'there' with just the link. --Revanche (talk|contribs) 08:04, 14 December 2007 (CST)
Actually, the Hatamoto-Chi is listed under Charger in the "variants" section. In the interest of staying civil, I'll simply point out that there are currently no articles about many of the IICs, so at least some information is provided by the articles where they currently are. No, for the most part, they are not variants in the same way that the PXH-1D is a variant of the PXH-1 Phoenix Hawk, but they are obviously based on the original. If you think that the explanation of the IICs is unclear, then be bold and fix it. --Scaletail 14:42, 14 December 2007 (CST)
Incidentially, it was me who put the notion about the HTM into the Variants section of the Charger article. You will notice that the entry treats the HTM in exactly the same way that has been suggested for IICs above. We seem to agree after all. Frabby 15:29, 17 December 2007 (CST)
I just don't want information removed. I will never argue against greater clarity. --Scaletail 18:34, 17 December 2007 (CST)


I seem to be missing something. Replacing the machine guns with 2 LRM launchers makes the 'Mech overweight by at least three tons. Was something else removed? Haruspex 14:58, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes, and it wasnt' the speed, ML or heat sinks. — The preceding unsigned comment was provided by (talkcontribs) 10:14, 23 July 2009 .
Armor? But that's almost all the armor the 'Mech has... Haruspex 15:33, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
Someone else chimed in that it was indeed very short on armor. --Revanche (talk|contribs) 15:58, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

The 1M has 16 armor points: 3 to the head, 2 to each front torso location and a single point every where else. The 1M is designed for open field sniping and in that environement, in level 1 play, the only credible threat to the 1M is terrain. The only weapons capable of reaching it are LRM racks and AC 2's. Its speed keeps everything else out of range and ensures that even the LRM's and AC 2 have a +7 or +8 modifier for range and target movement. Thus, the design is armored just enough to survive one fall.— The preceding unsigned comment was provided by (talkcontribs) 12:11, 23 July 2009.