Talk:The Wylde Cards

Source?

The article gives only one source reference, Second Succession War (Sourcebook). However, combing the document I found only one passing reference to the unit: They're listed as a merc unit in Kurita employ on a table on p. 94 that was raised in 2859 and destroyed by 2864. None of the other information in this article stems from that book, and given the anachronisms and total lack of sources, I'm assuming it's fan fiction and have edited it out. Frabby (talk) 15:53, 15 May 2018 (EDT)

The Wylde Cards were one of the fan created mercenary unit's [1] so it might have been the creator adding more info, but point stands that non-canon info either has to be marked as such or referenced elsewhere such as this talk page as other fans with units have done. Cyc (talk) 17:04, 15 May 2018 (EDT)

Editor has come back and given their reasons for the content. Personally I still hold the opinion that private messages from Ray or not, this should not be here unless it actually gets printed.--Dmon (talk) 13:40, 23 May 2018 (EDT)

I've had email contat with the author, and I suggested the approach to him that was now taken. We have a precedent of sort with TekTeam, which was an (now apocryphal) unit that appeared in BattleTechnology and the 'Mech magazine, but had additional (non-canon) fan-created info about them. Given that the fan information was from the same author who had created the apocryphal parts I reasoned even the non-canon is notable enough to warrant inclusion. In the case of this article here, the unit is actually canon and the same rationale applies imho. Frabby (talk) 14:21, 23 May 2018 (EDT)

This discussion may be worth a review with the addition of the Kickstarter canon characters/pilot cards. Will "behind the curtain" information be considered apocryphal for all of them?--Cache (talk) 09:37, 26 October 2020 (EDT)

My opinion of the "behind the curtain" stuff remains unchanged from the above but given the scale of the Kickstarter I believe that how we handle it is important for the reputation of the wiki. Last year I had a clash with one of the backers from the HBS campaign. The HBS campaign had 162 characters, I can't remember where I read it but the CGL one has about 2,000. so issues are inevitable.

You may of already seen that I created List of Clan Invasion Kickstarter Characters in an effort to "direct" some backers in a direction that we can manage.--Dmon (talk) 10:19, 26 October 2020 (EDT)

Revisiting this, I find that we do seem to have a working procedure/system in place between this article and the predecent of the TekTeam article: What's published in canon is canon (nothing in the case of TekTeam, bare stub information in the case of the Wylde Cards); what's been published in an official but non-canonical source is apocryphal (All BattleTechnology and MechForce Quarterly stuff about TekTeam), and anything coming from the original authors that wasn't officiall published is non-canon but arguably still worthwile to mention in the articles (like was done with the Author's Notes link in the TekTeam article). I'm willing to take the author's assertion at face value that Ray Arrastia declared the behind-the-scenes information on the Wylde Cards apocryphal instead of outright non-canon, but such should be the exception from the rule. Frabby (talk) 15:54, 26 October 2020 (EDT)

I feel that anything not in print in a licensed source should be considered fanon and labeled as such. We have no ability to verify sources or whether it has gone through any approval or fact-checking, as labeling them apocryphal might suggest.--Cache (talk) 10:27, 27 October 2020 (EDT)

We have our first fairly large piece of "behind the curtain" from the Kickstarter. so what do we want to do about it?--Dmon (talk) 00:01, 1 November 2020 (EDT)

Policy:Canon In my opinion, everything on the card is canon. Everything else is not canon and should be marked as such, at the very least. Realistically it should be placed in the same location as the fan fiction that was removed from this wiki.--Cache (talk) 01:00, 1 November 2020 (EDT)

I feel this discussion fell by the wayside due to a very large number of daily edits around the time it was last commented on. I have copied it over to Policy_Talk:Canon#Kickstarter_Canon_Characters as I feel it is a more appropriate location. Thank you.--Cache (talk) 17:19, 5 January 2021 (EST)

Good catch on remembering this and removing the fanon content Cache!--Dmon (talk) 22:04, 5 January 2022 (EST)

Wish I could say I remembered it. I just ran across it again while clearing red-link images.--Cache (talk) 18:17, 12 January 2022 (EST)