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== Question ==<br />
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Hey Rev - Wanted to know when the '''Superior Article Awards''' would go up. Thanks! [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 08:11, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I try to put one out every month, and I still 'owe' one for July, so Superior Article' should go live in September (hopefully at the beginning). --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 11:12, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
:: Thanks! [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 07:11, 10 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Article Review : Ninyu Kerai Indrahar ==<br />
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Rev - Whenever you get a chance to give him a look-see. :) [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 07:12, 10 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: CW, I DO want to read the article, but life has been busier than anticipated this summer (I had truly thought my being away from the family for the summer was going to open up plenty of hours to do my ''own'' writing here). I'm not ignoring it. Hopefully, I'll be back in some regular capacity in the next few days. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 12:44, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
:: NP. Hope life settles down. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 18:04, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Clan Space Maps ==<br />
Hi Rev, hope you feeling better. Been while since i spoke with you. I have question/request. I have been recently doving into my files that could help update the Clan planet data. I've noticed some of the planets have maps. Is there way to lighten up the picture little? The black circle around the partical planet, like [[Albion]] is bit dark. Sorry to bother you. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 17:44, 16 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I definitely agree with you. And clicking on the larger image is only marginally better. Unfortunately, I have no PS skills and I'd be doubtful that image could be cleaned up by much. Without saying too much, I do believe we may be getting a new mapping source within a few months. Cross your fingers. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 12:45, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Alrighty, I can ask around among newer people if they could assist. Some provided enhancement to recent Operation: Ice Storm page, so it could be something the person can look in to until you find something. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 03:47, 18 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Possible Problems with Sarna==<br />
Hi, Rev. I wanted report possible malware, but i don't want to sound like an alarmist. I left e-mail to Nicj as well, but until i started blocking it the ware was trying connect. What it is that when i was editing Sarna page. My browser was trying to connect to a weird website. This was from two differient computers. (http://contenlinks.netseer.com) Other Network computer i was using, the ones i have are old and dated so their slow. I clean out my cache as much as i can used virual scanners try get at what was reporting it. However, it wasn't until i wrote down the website used browser block sites option turn on. So I've blocked this website with my browsers. However, i'm wanted warn someone that there could possibly be something embedded in the Sarna's software reporting what were doing. {{unsigned|Wrangler|23 July 2010}}<br />
:You're 100% certain that it was only when you were on Sarna? This didn't happen on any other websites? I understand you used a virus scanner on your computers, but maybe it's something new that they don't know to scan for? The link you provided is dead, so I can't imagine it's purpose. --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 22:56, 23 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Well, It was on two seperate computers not related to each other. It only happened notice it when i was editing the wiki-page. No other place seem i was accessing it wIt looks like its reporting on what i was typing. I've successfully blocked it using my IE browser blocking site function. I work at third location i access the site is part of a network and its has mighty Network protection so its not happening there. Way to tell its doing it, is the stupid malware keep trying access the site i described above during editing of webpage. I believe i won't not noticed it if wasn't for fact i have crappy connection or i won't not have noticed it. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 13:50, 26 July 2010 (UTC) <br />
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== Attack of the 'Bots? Related to above ==<br />
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I see about 20 "new users" that suddenly have their talk page with the standard "Welcome" from Rev. No histories besides Rev's banner. They look like Bot programs to me. This may be related to the issue above. Thoughts? [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 02:25, 26 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Did you check their contributions? <br />
:When I'm active on a daily basis, I try and welcome new IPs. But, when I'm gone for a while, I go back and hit the ones that got missed by everyone, just in case someone new comes back and likes to see they've been acknowledged. So, yeah, it was me that posted those and they had all made contributions within the last 25 days or so. <br />
:As for the above problem, I'm not at all convinced it is not redirection software that beat Wrangler's anti-virus efforts. So far, he's the only person that reported those incidents. I think Scaletail's response pretty much summed it up. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 11:42, 26 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Well, when I checked, it looked like none of them had any contributions. Maybe I looked in the wrong place? It looked weird, about 20 accounts in a row, all just IPs, all with your "Welcome" update. If its no big deal, then no matter. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 19:11, 26 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
::I don't think the bots have anything to do what my problem was. I hope was just my broweser. I just thought strange, i did extensive viral scans before it came up. My computer connections are crap at two locations, so i noticed something uploading while i was editing wiki-pages on sarna. I don't think anyone would noticed, but a quick loading while editing. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 13:50, 26 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::I'm pretty tight with my ZoneAlarm, and I haven't had similar problems. I might have suggested it was with the Google ads Nic subcribes to, but since I know you're logged in, that wouldn't be it. I'd be suspicious of that explanation, anyhow. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 14:42, 26 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::I'm currently on the Network, so my issues with malware isn't apparent. Its in the Easter Evening hours is when i'm on lesser capable computers. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 17:40, 26 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Speaking of Vandalism, Lemur, newly created user just did some advertisment vandalism to [[Essay: Combat DropShips 101]]. Is there a place where you would log vandalism? -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 18:01, 26 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Probably just the Ask the Admin page. However, thanks for reverting it. Mbear took care of our cheap advertiser. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 03:12, 4 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Thomas Hogarth article deletion==<br />
Hi Rev, I need to voice my opinion here: I feel uncomfortable about how you deleted the article and placed a veiled vandalism accusation on the IP's talk page. I saw the article and noted it down for further reference as it needed a rework; I definitely agree that it wasn't up to BTW standards. But instead of vandalism I felt the article had a tongue-in-cheek attitude and should have been moved (to a normal spelling) and edited to comply with our established format. Deleting it, I feel, was over the top. We've really seen worse articles here from contributors who went on to become valuable members of the BTW community. Oh, and we certainly ''do'' need an article about Thomas Hogarth here, seeing how he evolved into a fan meme - he's definitely important to the present-day BT community. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 12:35, 2 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Frabby - for my own 2 cents - I can see it either way. It was obviously no minor cleanup job. Literally, you'd have to rewrite the entire thing. I'm all for properly encouraging new editors, but under those circumstances, I question the value of leaving it up. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 13:46, 2 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Frabby, I didn't see any attempt to add value. The article clearly (to me) was not intended to be informative. The writer did show writing skill, so it seemed like an advance form of graffiti. I acknowledge I came close to going overboard and writing a little rant, but I reined myself in and went with a template. I didn't think it was worthy of a lvl 1 (i.e., a first timer's wiki test masquerading as vandalism), but didn't think it needed the both barrels of a level 3 warning. <br />
:As for deleting it, I would not want it to be repeated with other articles we are 'missing' on notable subjects, and was concerned that keeping it just suggested acceptance of such attempts at editorial humor. I also felt the cleanup tag, especially in light of no description of what needed cleaning, only suggested it was not up to the formatting, referencing and similar other issues other so-tagged articles have. It needed to be cleaned up immediately, if it were to be kept or at the least have a step-by-step description of what needed to be fixed and added. As there was no <nowiki>{{inuse}}</nowiki> tag placed, I felt it was abandoned by all, would serve as a signpost towards the wrong direction and I knew I could not take the time to write an article of any value to replace it myself. <br />
:I respectfully think we may just have to agree to disagree, Frabby. However, I will consider bringing your attention to such similar...acts in the future, to allow you to address the problem. Good cop, bad cop. ;-) --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 03:22, 4 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Yeah, I can see where you were coming from. Mind you, it felt like an overreaction at first glance and that was the gut feeling I went by because I feared it would leave a bad impression of BTW for a first-time editor. In the end, shame on BTW for not having an article on TH earlier, before someone went and created one.<br />
::Incidentially, it seems the fist "draft" of the article was a simple copy & paste of the first answer/second post in [http://www.classicbattletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=70456.0 this tread] of the CBT forum. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 20:40, 4 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Clan Wolverine ==<br />
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The [[Clan Wolverine]] article history said that it was imported in December 2006, but it wasn't imported from Wikipedia. Where did it come from? --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 23:03, 3 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
:It says [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clans_%28BattleTech%29 Clans (BattleTech)]. But maybe I'm missing your point? --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 03:05, 4 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Nope. I just missed it. I saw that the text wasn't original and didn't see that the proper template had already been applied. --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 23:38, 4 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
::: Question : On a related note, how much editing do we need to do to an article before we can drop the wikipedia tag? [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 01:17, 5 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::: I don't see why it should be dropped. --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 01:28, 5 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::: Agree. The link to the original article will demonstrate how the article has changed from the original and, frankly, forked from the equivalent WP article. Its just a way of covering our bases, to show we aren't re-creating and depending whole-cloth on articles from other sources, but using them only from which to develop ourselves. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 13:46, 5 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::: Oh, if you like. Personally, I prefer to rewrite them and then purge the wikipedia tags to show we're not depending on that for our stuff. After all, should any credible encyclopedia rely on information anyone can edit? ;) [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 06:05, 7 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::: ... ... <_< >_> x_x --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 16:36, 7 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Michi Noketsuna ==<br />
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[[Michi Noketsuna]] is up. More red-links, perhaps, then would be ideal, but I feel they're all relevant. Personally, I think this is my best effort thus far, but as always I welcome feedback. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 04:32, 7 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Problems with source articles for Manufactures ==<br />
Hello Rev, i've got this article [[Aerospace Plant CM-T72673]], which basicly is basing its existing on fluff i can't find. TRO: 3055 Update & Revised do not support that this factory even exists or that this clan produces it on this world. Doneve produced this article, but i'm not sure if he was rushing or using a differient language TRO that say something differient. I have the PDF both original and Update TROs. He citing the revised and update. The Update doesn't say the aircraft are remotely related to Fire Mandrill, other one of fighter uses the ship. Jagatai is a old Clan Wolf fighter, which they continue to be exclusive producers of it on Eden. Other fighter is Ghost Bear fighter thats build by various folks, but Upgrade TRO does not name factory itself or where. I've run into this another clan related manufacturing plant, Doneve written. I have problems communicating with him, can you talk to him about this? -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 15:29, 18 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Hi Rev, i spoke with Doneve. He apparently used [[Objective Raids: 3067]] as his source for his clan manufacturing listings. He said i can edit what i have to out of them. I'm going have go through all those manufacturing articles, he made for the Clans see what actual has a source or note. *sigh* -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 19:32, 18 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Still working on problem, side tracked by projects i'm working -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 01:08, 13 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Welcome Back!==<br />
Hi Rev, was wondering how you were doing. Nice see you on the board again. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 01:08, 13 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Nice to see you back :).--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 08:22, 13 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Indeed. Good to hear from you again! :) [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 09:44, 13 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Thanks, all. I'm still really busy and 'recovering' from a series of home technology failures. I also hope to find my notes on ''[[Jihad Turning Points: Luthien]]'' I left off so many months ago; a lot of good material there to add. I ''really'' want to start writing again. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 11:41, 13 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Welcome back!--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 13:03, 25 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Talk==<br />
Hy Rev, i know you left us a little time, what is your mention about my Garrisoning Military Force Project on the Planet Pages, i hope you like it ;O..., i want to start in the next future my work in progress project, to bring all Planetary project up to date with owner history, new corrected planet images with help full fluff by [[Oystein Tvedten]] works, NicJ make a little bit mess about coordinates etc. etc...i am in work, before i started i poste a example to you and Frabby (our planet honk);=, then again nice to see you back. Greetings --[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 19:55, 13 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Hey, Doneve. No slight on your efforts, but I'm still a bit of a hit & run admin right now. I DO want to review it, but don't yet have the time. Example: I used to be able to write myself while at work; now I pull 10-hour days. Keep charging, though! --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 23:48, 26 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Strange Users Names==<br />
Hi Rev, couple of strange user names just got generated. Is there thing we can tell if their bots? The names are; Oxebydy & Uxewynefowi. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 22:50, 26 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:No way that I'm aware of. It is usually an attempt to see if the registration process is defeat-able (it is, of course) and to hide spam attempts, since the person is registered. Best idea, when you're spam patrolling, is keep an eye out for edits made by strangely-named accounts and take action then. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 23:49, 26 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Looks a Spam poster just did just that after i logged off. Doneve blanked the page. I've moved to have it deleted. I'm not sure what template i'm suppose to use for a random act of spamming. The person may not come back. Their name is Tz6524199 -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 10:47, 27 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::I check BTW almost daily for Spammers. When I see one, here's what I do: Block the SpamBot, delete user page & user talk page, and delete/revert any edits he made. I don't think it is neccessary to wipe their edits or insert deletion tags; I'd prefer if these articles would not be edited at all prior to deletion (I'm not a programming geek at all, but I think the spammed pages may be monitored for traffic and editing them probably just makes them more interesting for a spambot machine). [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 11:12, 27 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Tnx and I need your opinion==<br />
1st Tnx for the evidence for the danger of the delation of my upload.<br />
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2nd Which is the best way to show the weapons and their equivalent in the cbt without the fear of a copy => plagarism? I will show also the different ordonance type and ammunitions for the sidesarms / normal weapons. 18:54, 14 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Hey, Doneve.<br />
:Sarna places the legality of an image upon the uploader, in the sense that you take legal responsibilities for ensuring the image is being used correctly. Per the 'copyright' you've included with each image: "The individual who uploaded this work and first used it in an article, and subsequent persons who place it into articles assert that this qualifies as fair use of the material under United States copyright law." In other words, you are claiming that you are using it correctly; this supposedly keeps Sarna from taking the legal and financial burden of improper use.<br />
:If you're asking how we can best show the images (if there are no ready articles for them), I'd recommend creating a gallery of the images, ''with the name of each image displayed''. It appears you've assisted in plenty of those. These galleries serve as important showcases for available imagery for writers to use. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 19:02, 14 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Hy Rev, Neuling post this on your talk page. It was a unsigned post from him ;).--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 19:09, 14 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Ugh...yep...sorry, Doneve. Definitely would not have happened if it had been signed. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 22:39, 14 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Non-canon [images] of Terran Hegemony==<br />
Hi Rev, i'm trying fix a slight problem. Someone uploaded a non-canon [image] of the [http://cf.sarna.net/docs/mwda_dossiers/2750th.png Terran Hegemony Map]. There no label stating it is fan-made and not a product of canon source. Does anyone know what [we're] [supposed] to do about this? I've not [dealt] with a direct png image before. Usually these things have page that gives direction of the [image]. Someone thought the [image] uploaded was canon. Someone found it while trying make point about Hegemony, i think i've seen this [image] before in a non-canon FanMade PDF. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 02:37, 17 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Hey, Wrangler. <br />
:This request looks similar to one that was posted on the Admin Request page, but was placed in the 'completed' section. The 'completed' sboutnd similar problems. You'll probably want to move it up or 'close' out the problem with what I write about here.<br />
:As for your problem: in the [[Help:Template gallery|Template gallery]] you'll find a tag for non-canon products. This can be slapped onto the page for that image file. That same page will also tell you what articles make use of the picture. Remove the link to the image on each of the articles, and we'll be good to go; eventually, when the image files are reviewed for unused links, an Admin will delete it as unused (unless someone then uses it in a fanon article).<br />
:Hope this helps. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 11:34, 17 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Hi Rev, I apologize for the sloppiness. The problem is not complete. I've moved this directly correct section. The *.png [image] from what i've seen of it can not be "tagged". Its a pure [image]. I'm not that good [at] navigating the picture achives where [images] do not show up in a category form, thus [are] unsearchable, [at] least to me. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 12:28, 17 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::It's all right. Sometimes I have to fix the missing or incorrect statements in your writings so I can understand the problem (or intended statement). I often read and re-read both my works and others, to make sure I understand the intent.<br />
:::As for your response, the proper course of action would appear to remove the link from any articles it appears. Once it is not used, upkeep of images will show it is not a valued image and result in its deletion. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 18:55, 18 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Other Non-canon imagines==<br />
Hi Rev, sorry keep babbling like this, but some maps Neuling uploaded were from Columbus Cartographic Services. I realize that he became a Battletech freelancer, but i don't believe his work on website was considered canon. Should i put non-canon templates on those [images]? You can find what i'm talking about on [[:Category: Maps Gallery]]. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 02:44, 17 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Sounds like you figured out the solution before I chimed in. Wish I had read this statement before answering the first. Yep: that sounds like the right path. Just be sure to use the non-canon product tag.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 11:36, 17 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Minor Blakist Commanders==<br />
Hi Rev, how come your making articles for characters who have almost no background on them? Would it not be more ecomical to have a list of them in a single article page with their names list in row with what didbit of information on them listed besided them like how we have [[List of minor mercenary units]]? -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 20:14, 19 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I have never subscribed to the list idea, though I understand the arguments for it. I just believe there should be one standard for all similar subjects to reduce the opportunity for error or duplicated efforts. That is a primary reason we don't have a policy requiring one over the other. Also, the reason I did so in these cases is because they are a part of [[BattleTechWiki:Project Unfinished Book|Project Unfinished Book]] and since that is a page-by-page research project (vice a comprehensive subject search), there is no telling if or what new info will come available as I progress thru ''[[Jihad Turning Points: Luthien]]''. This allows UBP researchers to work off of one shared article.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 23:13, 19 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Use of Fan-made images==<br />
Hi, Rev. I had question regarding the issue with Neuling about his images posted. Some of them i believe he produced (example File:Operation rat.png), but he did not originally add imagine summary. He has this particular imagine in the [[Fourth Succession War]] article. Should the fan-made imagine be used? I've slap a fanom template on it so people know this is fan-made. However, question remains should it be used in canon article. In past, i've worked with Neuling colorize a canon pictures show border differiences. I've noted those pictures were modified. However, with recent events i'm wondering where this fall under the policy. I am torn, since i'm not sure the fanom template would be properate for modified canon images. Their useful show stuff that wasn't highlighted by original company, but i'm not sure what should be done about it. At moment, i've left the above mentioned operation rat.png in place, with fanom template on it. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 23:51, 22 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I've gotta ask: why do you keep writing "imagines" instead of "images"?<br />
:Also, why do you think they are fan-produced? Did Neuling say he made them?--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 00:04, 23 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
::(sigh) I'm sorry, its a grammer-blind habit i have of misspelling things okay? Images he produced has no source. I have extensive collection of Battletech material, including the maps. I've not seen a modern imagine quite like that one, he has for Operation Rat. If its a canon image, from some obscure Battlecorp release or something, he needs clarifed the source of it. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 00:21, 23 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Can you please provide the link where he and you discussed this? I want to understand the context of his response before I decide on a course of action. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 00:24, 23 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::[[:File:Operation rat.png]] -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 01:41, 23 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::Wrangler: talk with Neuling about this. '''If''' he says its official, get the details and correct it. '''If''' he says its modified (other than cropped), remind him once again that non-official material has no place in official articles (I'm this close to calling for the ban of all fanon materials with a mass deletion). '''If''' he doesn't respond to you (within a reasonable amount of time), remove the image from the article and mark it for deletion review. Hope that helps. (Back to writing my own stuff now.)--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 02:15, 23 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::Hi Rev. He hasn't responded to any my inquiries about the png yet. He just posted new page about [[Clan Territory Wars]] [[:File:Clanhomeworlds.png]]. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 19:37, 24 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Ok, I'm on it.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 20:26, 24 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::::Sorry for the delay. I searched and think about the png a lot of but I doesn't find my original source. Bad for me I know. I will find another canon map of the homeworld. --[[User:Neuling|Neuling]] 21:13, 24 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::There are plenty of official ones that can be found in the official products.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 23:49, 24 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Martial arts + organized crime==<br />
I know it is strange first I doesn't reponded to your messages and now I call for support. Please forgive my. Now to my projects. 1st I find it interesting to read about martial arts in Classicbattletech Companion, but where it this stuff is best posted. The same with criminal organization. Any response is welcome. [[User:Neuling|Neuling]] 21:13, 24 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
I think its probably fine to post articles titled after the subject you want to report about. However, make sure the material is focused on the BattleTech sources (such as ''[[Classic BattleTech Companion]]''), rather than on real-world sources (like Wikipedia).--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 23:49, 24 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Tnx for your quick response. I used only the matertial from ''[[Classic BattleTech Companion]]'' which is very detailed. Under which category is it best posted.<br />
There are a lot to choose from at [[Special:Categories]], so look there first. If we don't have crime or martial arts ones, then use [[:Category:Miscellaneous]].--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 08:55, 25 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Awards Project==<br />
Holla Rev, i hope allways is fine with you, ähm i have a question about your wiki awards project, you work on it ??, you have lay down it??, or you have not the time to finish it, ok i know reall life is busy, i like the project and i hope you keep it up in next time. Greetings--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 23:40, 3 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Hi, Doneve. I was planning to work on it (maybe even complete it) last Monday on the few hours I had off, but got caught up throwing the Founder's Awards project up, while it was still relevant. I do intend to finish it soon. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 12:26, 5 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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==Question==<br />
Hello Rev, i Hope you New Years was good to you. I had question regarding Mechs that are partially under the moratorium. I recently added the [[Peacekeeper]] to the Sarna. TRO 3085 is not longer under the moratorium, but its record sheet unabridge pdf is. Is the bibliography not allow to show upcoming and connected materials in a article? I did not (not come out yet.) added anything from that source, only listing as a part of bilo. Does this mean it must be on hold until all the related materials comes out of the mortatorium? -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 23:13, 4 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Hi Rev, i jump in, i put the talk from Wrangler to Me in the discussion, to give you howe is the goal for it.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 23:27, 4 January 2011 (UTC) <br />
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Hi Doneve. I am confused why you removed the RS:3085 Cutting the Edge wikilink from article. There was no information in the article violate the moratorium period. I don't believe mentioning the Record Sheet book would break moratorium if listed in the bibliography. --[[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] <br />
: I think, we don't put publications as biblio link, there have not the moratorium expired, some people where confused about this, it is my mention, but it is a good goal to start a discussion about this, thanks.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]]<br />
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Hy Rev, i think we don't put linked sources to an article there can have no content from the source, then the source falls under the moratorium, [NO CONTENT] no link in the bibliography section, thanks.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 23:50, 4 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Hi, guys. My interpretation of the moratorium policy reflects on the intent: do not give information from within the document under protection. However, letting readers know there is information relevant to their interests can /only/ be a good thing, especially if Sarna is not yet providing them that information. (In other words, leads them to purchase the document.) <br />
::So, from my perspective, the mention of the protected document in the biblio -while not truly indicative of the use of that document ''yet'' in the article- would not seem to violate the policy. It serves to inform the reader of another source of information. <br />
::However, I would say the use of the '''Update needed''' template would serve both purposes best, as it quickly informs a reader a new source of information is out and is not included in the article AND reminds the Editors that the article needs to be updated, when the time comes. <br />
::Does that help?--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 12:43, 5 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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==Article Tag Question==<br />
Hello, Rev.<br />
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I've never contributed to BattleTech Wiki before but I was wondering about perhaps doing so. I've actually had about a dozen BattleTech articles published over the years in magazines like BattleTechnology and MechForce Quarterly. I am also the original creator for the non-jump capable WarShips called Monitors.<br />
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What I am interested in doing is submitting a wiki for a mercenary unit that I created and was featured in several of the articles published in Battletechnology and MechForce Quarterly. The unit is called TekTeam Technical Services and is essentially a unit of mercenary technicians that sell their services to the highest bidder, travels in a modified Mule class DropShip set up as a mobile repair base and is supported by a small security force.<br />
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Would it be have to be published in the non-canon units section, or because it was published in the 'official' magazines for BattleTech at that time, would you consider the unit at least quasi-'canon'? <br />
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I would probably need some assistance in figuring out how to use your templates for an article on TekTeam Technical Services as well. Thanks.--{{Unsigned|71.74.86.252|18:01, 4 January 2011}}<br />
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:Good morning, 71.74.86.252.<br />
:First off, welcome to Sarna. We also welcome your presence as a contributor. You might find registering will also help you interact more easily with other contributors here.<br />
:I would point you in the direction of the [[Canon]] article, first off, specifically the Apocrypha section. ''Battletechnology'' is directly addressed there and should answer your question. From that, I would say the use of the '''ApocryphalArticle''' is most appropriate. As for what category the team would fall under, some discussion of that may need to be had or [[User:Frabby|Frabby]], our expert on all things canonical (and himself a published CBT writer), can provide some guidance. <br />
:I hope this helps.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> <br />
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:::Hello 71.74.86.252, and welcome to the fold of BTW editors. It's very exciting to have the people helping out here who wrote the old stuff, even if [[BattleTechnology]] isn't canonical anymore (for the time being...). It would be great if you'd register an account on this wiki and work from that login, as it will allow you to have both a proper talk page yourself and link your edits to your account, crediting you with the work you do here. Everything's free of course.<br />
:::Revanche got the long and short of it right - your contributions to BattleTechnology and [[MechForce Quarterly]] aren't Canon anymore, but they were once published in an official BT source and were regarded as canonical in their time, raising them above mere fanwork. As such, they are now considered apocryphal; in Herb's words, while they're non-canon, the writers are "not in total denial" about them either.<br />
:::Seeing how you already are a published BT writer, you may want to try your luck with [[BattleCorps]] which could be described as today's online lovechild of MechForce and BattleTechnology. As a subscriber you may submit stories and that may be a way for you to re-introduce your merc unit into full canon even. Contact me if you are seriously considering writing for BT again and I'll explain a bit more.<br />
:::Finally, since you were published in BattleTechnology, your name should be among the list of contributors in that article (as a redlink if no actual article exists about you yet). Feel free to (actually, ''please do'') fill in all details about yourself that you're willing to share!<br />
:::Cheers, [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 13:57, 5 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Hello, there. I am now listed on your New Users list. I noticed that the bottom has me listed by my IP address rather than by my preferred handle. How can I change that so that I will use my handle there as well? I am looking forward to contributing material. Now, I just have to figure out how to log in and get started.</div>71.74.86.252https://www.sarna.net/wiki/index.php?title=BattleTechWiki:New_user_log&diff=156176BattleTechWiki:New user log2011-01-05T22:55:13Z<p>71.74.86.252: </p>
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'''Hi, and welcome to BattleTechWiki!''' If you're new to our community, drop us a note here and tell us a little bit about yourself. Most important, we would like to know about your interests, your areas of knowledge, and the sorts of things you'd like to work on here at BattleTechWiki. That makes it easier for us to help you start editing. We'd also appreciate it if you told us how you found out about BattleTechWiki.<br />
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:: '''To add yourself to the list''':<br />
::*Scroll down to right under '''New User Posts''' (top of the list),<br />
::* type two equal signs (==), type your screen name and then two equal signs again (this makes your name the subject/headline), <br />
::* '''post a comment, ''' and<br />
::* '''<U>sign your name</u> at the end of your comment <U>by typing four tildes</u>: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>.''' (This code makes a link to your user page, which readers can use to welcome you personally if they like).<br />
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::Your comments will then be added to the bottom of the list.'''<br />
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Again, welcome to '''BattleTechWiki'''!<br />
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==Phelan==<br />
I have been a fan of the Mechwarrior games and Battletech universe as long as I can remember. It all started when I picked up a copy of Mechwarrior 2: Mercenaries. That game got me hooked on Battletech for life. I have read all the books and played all the games (Mechwarrior 4 and it's expansions, Black Knight and Mechwarrior 4: Mercearies are my three favorites). I also love me some Clan Wolf (in exile), which helps explain my username. This has been a Wiki I frequently visit for a year now, and I decided to join and see how I can help. <br />
[[User:Phelan|Phelan]] 19:55, 22 November 2010 (UTC)Phelan<br />
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==BATTLEMASTER IIC==<br />
I have been a Battletech and MechWarrior fan all my life. I play both MegaMek and a MechWarrior game frequently (MechWarrior 2 and AT1-BT are my favorites). I am a MegaMek developer specializing in weapons implementation. I use the BattleTechWiki a lot. It is a valuable resource that stays on top of the BattleTech universe and I will try to contribute what I can to make this the best BattleTech resource on the internet.<br />
[[User:BATTLEMASTER IIC|BATTLEMASTER IIC]] 14:12, 24 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==FaithfulDemise==<br />
I have been on and off BTW forever. I remember a time before it was a Wiki. I finally decided to create an account and see what I can do to help. It has provided me with useful knowledge and links to the Battlemech Designers as well as other useful programs and intel. I have been playing since the 3025 Tech Readout was new! A scary thought, I must admit. I recently got back into Battletech and now I have to get all new minis! Damn college life! I lost them all moving years back! I hope I can provide anything useful to keep the caliber of this site high. I shall know go back to loading my AC/10 with Armor Piercing rounds. Good day!--[[User:Faithfuldemise|Faithfuldemise]] 03:03, 11 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Vynstindis==<br />
I've been using BTW for about six months now and I decided to created an account. I currently play Mechwarrior 4: Mercenaries and cannot wait for the new game to come out. I stumbled onto BTW from google, searched "Battleteck wiki" and found this; been happy ever since. I've read a few books and REALLY like the Dark Age timeperiod. Hope to contribute, Vyn. [[User:Vynstindis|Vynstindis]] 19:41, 11 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Zakair==<br />
Hi I have never used wiki a lot tell i started reading the BattleTech books so I stumbled across this im interested in the weapons for the battletechs i really don't have a favorite but i hope that will change<br />
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==Mbear==<br />
Thought I should contribute something since I have used the system for a while. So I did. It's been a while since I've played, but I still have the sourcebooks and stuff. Plus I need something to do while looking for work. ;) [[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 15:43, 18 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
==Istal Devalis==<br />
After using the services here for a while, without actually contributing anything, I've decided to try actually giving something back in the way of time and effort. I'm mostly a Nova Cat fan and hope to revamp their sections a bit.<br />
[[User:Istal devalis|Istal devalis]] 15:51, 6 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==NPettinato==<br />
After a year of utilizing the Wiki's vast, BattleTech resources, I decided to contribute. Being a fan of the Rim Worlds Republic, I have constructed a faction list for those wishing to play period-specific games for this Periphery power. I am also involved in correcting the dates of manufacture for the MegaMek program's MTF file library.<br />
[[User:NPettinato|NPettinato]]<br />
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==PymFan2000==<br />
I've been lurking here a good while, looking up the occasional reference from CBT forum posts that I didn't understand references to. I've been really enjoying the Dark Age novels and the Jihad sourcebooks, which are the only real BT items I own aside from the Intro box set. I've thus far played 2 games of MW and 2 games of BT so I'm a complete newbie rules wise. The lore and history has me hooked though...<br />
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==St0nY==<br />
After editing some minor stuff and some more complex things lately, i decided to make an Account to better keep track. Longtime BT Fan here, hope i can contribute to the wiki :)<br />
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[[User:St0nY|St0nY]] 23:21, 1 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Deimos==<br />
Hi. Being a fan of Battletech since the Crescent Hawks Inception came out during the 80s. Since I'm reading more fluff on this site recently, just to refresh my memory of (C)BT; thanks the announcement of S&T and the 25th anniversary. I've decided to contribute as little or as much as I can to the wiki in the near future.<br />
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[[User:Deimos|Deimos]] 06:44, 30 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Paladwyn==<br />
Greetings! Been a fan of Battletech for many years. Looking to start a Megamek campaign with a few friends and came back here to find some resources. I've known about this site for over 10 years and come back once in a while. I am currently looking for the jump calculator that I used to have, but unable to find it again. Anybody help with that?<br />
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[[User:Paladwyn|Paladwyn]] 03:59, 16 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Strick-9==<br />
Hello everybody, Great to find people who love BattleTech as much as I do. I've played on and off since 88. Had to pause a few times, grown-up stuff, LOL. I've got many tech readouts and novels. I noticed that the stats for the LAMS are in the Mech lists but, no pics. I have the pics from a first copy 3025 tech readout for the LAMS. Is it ok to post them or is there a copyright issue still and that's why their not there? Also, just got my hands on a 2750 readout with the stats on the types of naval weapons used in BattleTech. Will edit them to the wiki ASAP. If I can be a help with questions on tech issues please ask. If I have it I will do my best to get the info out. Thanks again to all. To the site Administrators, Awesome job!<br />
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[[User:Sethnlori|Strick-9]] 11:16, 12 June 2009 (PDT)Strick-9<br />
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:Thanks, Strick-9. I personally appreciate the compliment. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 16:20, 12 June 2009 (PDT)<br />
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==Krazus==<br />
Hi Folks, I have been playing BT since 84, had some breaks due to lack of oponents, but its always there waiting.<br />
Personally I dont really like going beyond 3058. I have just about everything ever published and love the novels.<br />
I am not sure what I cna add to this fantastic resource, but i will try to find something I can help with. Its great to see after 25 yrs CBT is far from dead.<br />
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cheers<br />
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[[User:Krazus|Krazus]] 17:11, 9 April 2009 (PDT)Krazus<br />
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==s.gage==<br />
Greetings! I think this is great work, and I thought with my interests in BattleTech being pretty broad I might add some content. All of the things I have added are well referenced, and hopefully read easily... I started playing in the early 90's, and have kept up with most of the BattleTech timeline with various supplements. Within the last several months, my interests have turned towards the deep periphery and Clan space as I am working on a deep periphery MechWarrior campaign. Beyond periphery realms, I am interested in BattleTech history (but not so much on major characters, playing with them is too detrimental to the continuity...), and I am hoping for a TRO on the early Clans (why always play games in the present, no?). Cheers. [[User:S.gage|S.gage]] 23:04, 7 April 2009 (PDT)<br />
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==Nathan Brazil==<br />
Hi there. I used to play BattleTech back in the 80s because I was interested in Robotech the game had LAMs. I played and read until the end of the first Clan scenarios when ComStar beat them at the Tukayyid. Left because there was not enough support for the roleplaying. Drifting back now, I had heard the game had an improved roleplaying part and a combined arms thing called Strategic Operations coming out. My interests, and I hope, contributions, are on the strategic and historical level. Astrographic data like jump routes, survey and census data, history, timelines, biographies. Comes from my evil Traveller interests, I suppose. That is what I would like to add. [[User:Nathan Brazil|Nathan Brazil]] 11:42, 11 March 2009 (PDT)<br />
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==Ursusmajor77==<br />
I got into BT in early 90s played pretty steadily 2 times a week for about 2 years. I still own a fairly large number of manuals and game books. I got into reading the novels in 95 when I spent a few mmonths disabled and think that I have to date read all the novels up to I Am Jade Falcon. [[User:Ursusmajor77|Ursusmajor77]] 00:57, 21 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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==y0mbo==<br />
In 1990 a few friends were trying to talk me into trying this game they were playing called BattleTech. I resisted. Beating up giant robots sounded just too cool, and I knew I would end up buying every product in sight. I was right. I ended up buying almost every sourcebook available. My roommates and I played BattleTech every Monday night for three years. I offered to GM if it meant we'd only play BT. In 1994, I had one of the first BT pages on the net. (I think Nic even linked to me). I got out of the game after college, though. Now I'm teaching my 10 year old son to play and starting to write BT fiction again.<br />
[[User:Y0mbo|y0mbo]] 08:47, 17 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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==Workerbee==<br />
Back in the late 90s (I caught on late to Battletech), I got a copy of one of Robert Thurston's Battletech novels at my local bookstore as a bit of light reading for home. However, reading the book, I soon realized that this series was incredibly well-written and well maintained, and I decided that I wanted more of it. I began collecting more and more of the novels, and eventually got myself a copy of the boardgame, as well as most of the computer games (MechCommander 2 is by far the best in my opinion). Upon finding this site, I immediately decided to try and give back some of my accrued Battletech knowledge so that anyone, whether die-hard fan or occasional Battletech player, could learn and gain more about the Battletech universe.<br />
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As a personal style, I loathe careless mistakes made while typing, especially spelling mistakes that bring down our language in tatters all around us. I know mostly the history of the Battletech universe, and I will probably stick to those sorts of articles for my editing. <br />
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As a side note, my favorite 'Mechs are by far the Blood Asp and the Marauder. The Battletech universe just would not be the same for me without those two.<br />
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==James Cobb==<br />
Hi, I'm James Edward Crego. My callsign, which I'll use on this site is James Cobb. I'm hoping to one day write straight fiction for BT/MW and then write other sorts of fiction just for the hell of it. I'm currently engaged in school, earning my Professional and Creative Writing Degree, both B.A.'s, so I can teach literature. Hey, it's a living. [[User:72.179.167.92|72.179.167.92]] 07:58, 28 January 2008 (CST)<br />
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==Haruspex==<br />
Hey there, as I said on my personal page I got my Battletech start with the Star Lord novel followed by Tactics of Duty which introduced me to the Gray Death Legion. I was hooked ever since, and played Mechwarrior IV: Vengeance, Mechwarrior IV: Mercenaries, as well as MechCommander 2. <br />
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In college I met a guy who had the original hex game on his PC (I can't remember the name of the software) and tried it out. He won of course, being an even bigger BattleTech nerd than I was. <br />
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When Dark Age came out I was a bit confused. Reading the novels it seemed that the setting was reduced to battles with about four 'Mechs a side. This seems to match WizKid's miniatures game where there aren't that many 'Mechs, but I don't think I like it. Maybe they'll escalate the situation until we get back to the multi-regiment scrapfests of old like the Clan Invasion and the FedCom Civil War.<br />
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Later I discovered MechWorks and tried my hand at Mech design. Why didn't they fit PPCs on the Wasp? MechWorks spelled it out for me, and my understanding of CBT increased immensely.<br />
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When I got back to my old MechWarrior: Mercenaries game, I decided to look up BattleTech and Mechs on the Internet. Lo and behold, Google pointed me in the direction of BattleTechWiki. So here I am. [[User:Haruspex|Haruspex]] 09:04, 8 January 2008 (CST)<br />
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==MasterOfDisaster==<br />
Greetings all, ive been submerged in the lore of CBT since my earliest days via the tv show as a child and then by the books during my 6th grade year. Ive been trolling about the CBT online commnity for some time and only am now coming forward to de-lurk and offer my services as well as my extensive amounts of personal data that i have accumulated. Ill try and chime in as much as possible and upload my 7 years of hording knowlege. Not to blow smoke up my own ass but my laptop is a bit of a Star League data core, all i have to do now is decipher my gibberish abbreviations and upload it. I greatly appreciate this wiki as an outlet for my immense amount of time vested and a place for me to use ym extra time (i have insomnia so i have plent of time.) so thats enough of me being long winded, gracias to the max! [[User:MasterOfDisaster|MasterOfDisaster]] 19:44, 6 December 2007 (CST)<br />
==FIVE-one==<br />
Hi everyone !<br />
I'm a Battletech geek, still glad to see BT is not dead ! I've been invited by Scaletail to post here.<br />
I restarted my BT passion one year ago, when launching myself in MW:AoD. I rediscovered the pleasure to fight in the name of the Clans.<br />
I love to read topic about Clan 'Mechs and, you should saw it, I'm a Clan suppremacist (lol). I'm also glad to help the CBT community by writing entries which hasn't been written yet.<br />
I have also to tell I'm, naturally, a Clan player and I'm actually #9 French player (since Paris Gencon Championship, May 2007) in the name of Clan Wolf.<br />
Well I think it's all I can say, otherwise I would become too pretentious :p....<br />
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Star Captain Loys "FIVE-one" Vickers, Bloodnamed Refusal War Veteran; Riding a "Butcher Bird" Mad Dog...<br />
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[[User:88.123.75.238|88.123.75.238]] 14:43, 6 December 2007 (CST)<br />
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==DragonoftheRust==<br />
I have been invited to introduce myself so I thought it best to do so now. My name is Drew and I am Nerd. Note that I say "I am Nerd" rather than "I am a nerd", this is because I am the strangest person I know. I play DnD and it eventually got me started on other table top game systems such as BattleTech. I will tell everyone right now that I have Obsessive Compulsive Disorder and I cannot abide by mispelled words and grammatical errors (even though I still find myself occasionally making them). My point being that I absolutely hate it when people use terms like "thier", "varaition", and, worst of all, *shudders* "teh". Please check your spelling before you finish editing an article, I don't mean to be rude about it but it drives me crazy when I see sloppy mistakes. My main goal for this wiki is that a person should almost be able to play BattleTech straight off of the wiki. Thank you for listening to my ranting. --[[User:DragonoftheRust|DragonoftheRust]] 20:51, 11 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
:welcum 2 teh wiki rustic 1! …I was going to try to inundate you with a reply mostly of that nature, but I just can't do it. I understand where you're coming from, it's almost painful to read the horrendously misspelt and poorly worded messages people leave. (Tends to be considerably worse on medium-ly populated wikis; it's downright infrequent here.) While it can grate on your nerves, it often pays to look past such failings; whilst there are certainly some bad spellers out there, the few we have here tend to be a smart and friendly batch overall. Anyway, welcome to the wiki (sorta belated, but oh well). --[[User:Xoid|Xoid]] 10:08, 23 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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==Kittle==<br />
Hi, my name's Emma, and I'm a mecha geek. I first took an interest in Battletech when Mechcommander came out, although I didn't start to get heavily into the game until Mechwarrior: Dark Age came out. I've never actually managed to play the Classic Battletech miniatures game because everyone I met who'd ever had an interest had given up and moved on to other things by the time I met them, but I've played a lot of Dark Age, Mechcommander 1 and 2 and Mechwarrior 4.<br />
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I came across this wiki whilst I was working on my "Great Project" of trying to replicate all canon battlemech designs up to TRO:3067/Phoenix in Mechwarrior 4. So far I've done all 808 IS mech variants (Apart from one-offs like Tancred Sandoval's Templar loadout) and I'm taking a break before starting on the clan mechs.<br />
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I've only been able to track down a couple of of Battletech books (TRO: Project Phoenix and Field Manual: Periphery to be precise) because it's nigh-on impossible to get Battletech stuff where I live, so I probably won't be much use on the creating of articles and things. However, I've had experience as an editor in a few small publications, so I'm very good at spotting mistakes and correcting English, so I'll probably stick to clean-up to start with. [[User:Kittle|Kittle]] 20:46, 6 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
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Oh, one thing I almost forgot. Not sure where the right place to ask this is, so I'll ask here. Does anyone know what the right format is in the use of 'a' or 'an' in front of an acronym? For example, would it be "A LRM 10" or "An LRM 10". The way I was taught it, you use 'a' if the next word begins with a consonant and 'an' if the next word starts with a vowel, but no-one ever taught me what to do with acronyms and saying "A LRM 10" just sounds wrong to me. Any advice would be gratefully received. [[User:Kittle|Kittle]] 20:53, 6 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
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==Doneve==<br />
My first meet with [[Battletech]] in 1992 was the ''Riposte'' novel, and I know it was not the last , I read all the novells and played up to time, but the BatteleTech Universe is mor for me ass playing...<br />
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I do some little thinks on the yearlist and.....look :)<br />
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* I hope I can updated the timeline and yearlist and bring some accuracy in the organisaton structure, in next future!!?<br />
** Adding a lot of References and ref. foot notes, their not listed in the yearlist.<br />
* Create [[Destroyed Manufacturing Centers]] (but it is a lot to do)<br />
* Create some Lyran Militia Commands<br />
* Adding Planetary Data from Dark Age - Republic World / Done<br />
* Update Manufacturing Centers to 3067...in work<br />
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==Bdevoe==<br />
Hello all. I neglected to do this earlier, so here goes. :) I have been involved with BTech since 1987 when I first got introduced to it and I've loved it ever since. All of my experience with the game is pre-Clan, so that's what I know and love best. The Third Succession War is where my knowledge mostly lies.<br />
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I was ''Clifford'' on BTech 3025/26 MUSE and ran that game for about 3.5 years before handing it off to someone else. I played for many, '''many''' years, but it's been a while since I last played "competitively". :) I'm working on trying to fill in the gaps on the wiki that I know about regarding the 3rd and 4th Succession Wars.<br />
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I have most of the source books from the 3026 time frame, including all of the house books, the tech readouts and the Mercenary's Handbook from that era. I'm sure there are some things that I'm lacking, but I didn't think them necessary at the time. :) My latest acquisition was a first-print House Liao book.<br />
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I've played a lot of the computer games that were put out, including all of the MechWarrior and the MechCommander games. Again - it's been a while, but this is something I'm getting back into full force. :)<br />
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Let me know if you have any questions/comments. Thanks! [[User:Bdevoe|Bdevoe]] 13:31, 1 August 2007 (CDT)<br />
==Rabid==<br />
Hi peoples. Obviously I just signed up and thought I'd say G'day *waves*. I'm from Australia, like walks in the park, watching movies and blowing hell out of my friends in Mech combat. >=)<br />
I have been interested in BattleTech/MechWarrior for a number of years having played alot of the MechWarrior series PC games (MW2+expansions, MW3+expansions, MW4+expansion, MC & MC2), read alot of the novels post-4th Succession Wars and GM'd a smallish BattleTech games as well as just starting a MechWarrior RPG with some mates.<br />
I would like to contribute to BW in any way possible with what resources I have. I have quite a few e-books (mostly the older house field manuals) as well as most of the 1700 series FASA hard copies including all official FASA Tech Readouts from 3025 to 3060 plus a couple of the early 1600 series hard copies.<br />
I've never helped with a Wiki before, so if I can be of any help at all, let me know.<br />
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==Agus101186==<br />
Hello everyone, i just signed up with Battletech Wiki , but i would love to contribute as soon as possible. While i started becoming a fan of the battletech universe via the classic battletech novels(only). I started at the very end of the series, right where the fed-com civil war was closing to a halt. While i was trying to hunt down the other books on the list(much of it discontinued) i dabled with the Mechwarrior Computer games( I started with Mechwarrior 2: Mercenaries). Those combined with few other battletech-themed computer games(Mechwarrior 3, Mechwarrior 4, Mechwarrior 4: Mercenaries, MechCommander 2) are the only source of my knowledge on the classic battletech universe. While i never played the MechAssault games on the X-box that was suppose to connect CBT(Clasic Battletech) with the new novel line from Wizkids, Mechwarrior: Dark Age(MWDA), i have collected and read most of the novels by Wizkids. I am reading book no. 22 :Wolf Hunters by Kevin Killiany. Since there is very little information partaining this frame of time in the battletech universe, here in Battletech Wiki(Wikipedia has more articles, which lead me to ask, can we, should we, just link the information on wikipedia straight to battletech wiki, if so, how?). I would like to expend more on this particular timeframe, whoever is interested as i am in cataloging this particular timeframe, or just dropping by to give friendly advice can use the the talk page given to me by Battletech Wiki or just E-mail me at agus101186@yahoo.co.uk<br />
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I conclude my introduction by apologizing for my long-windedness and any error i might have unintentially made.<br />
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[[User:Agus101186|Agus101186]] 01:17, 31 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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==Bludlust==<br />
Hi all. I'm currently just a reader trying to glean some information for an upcoming fight. I've been into Battletech since before dirt was formed...JK! A long time though, so long I don't really remember when I started, but I do know that it wasn't long after the first of the boxed sets came out. <br />
[[User:66.69.125.220|66.69.125.220]] 18:58, 4 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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The fight has started. One Star of a Ghost Bear recon unit against 2 lances of a veteran mercenary company. We had to break in the middle due to time constraints, but will pick it back up soon. One mech of the Mercs is out of the fight with only minimal weapons and one leg, another is very badly damaged and is only hanging on by a thread. The star, while beat up now, with one mech operating with an engine hit, is still very much in the fight. More updates as they occur.<br />
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Curse the Stravag dice. The fight went badly for the clan. Four head hits took out two mechs, and box cars on a center torso penetration took out a third with three engine hits. The fourth went down by losing all of the center torso, but no engine explosion. The last lost both legs and all weapons. The fight lasted 10 rounds. After the sixth round, when the Star Commander determined that he was going to lose this fight, broke his bid and called in re-enforcements. Unfortunately, they did not arrive in time.<br />
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The story will continue.[[User:66.69.125.220|66.69.125.220]] 22:31, 11 August 2007 (CDT)<br />
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==Toma2648==<br />
Hey. My name's Tom and I've been addicted to BattleTech since 1993 or so, when my older brother got the 3rd Edition boxed set for his birthday. In terms of my interests, I'm more excited about the Star League and the Succession Wars than any of the later history; the games that I've run have been set during the 3rd or 4th War. Personally, I think that the original, non-reprint Technical Readouts are some of the best BattleTech resources out there... so I guess it's fitting that my first submission was based off a TRO entry. Expect some more, next time I get bored. =)<br />
[[User:Toma2648|Toma2648]] 14:31, 19 June 2007 (CDT)<br />
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==Dmon==<br />
HELLO EVERYBODY<br />
I thought I should drop by and introduce my self before I start editing to many articles. Ive been into CBT for about 13 years and in that time ive never progressed much past "Wow big robots with very big guns!" but it keeps me out (or should that be in) of trouble so im happy ;-)--<br />
[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] 14:53, 12 February 2007 (CST)<br />
:Always glad to have another Editor. If basic copy editing is your 'thang,' check out the [[BattleTechWiki:Project BattleMechs|BattleMechs Project]]. They always have editing work they're asking for. Again, welcome! --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 20:36, 12 February 2007 (CST)<br />
::Thanx Revenche. Basic copy editing isnt my "Thang" but im new to the wiki format so I am starting small.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] 08:27, 13 February 2007 (CST)<br />
:::Well let me/us know if you have any questions. I'll also point out the [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Reference_card 'cheat' guide] that was enormously helpful for me when I started out. And our [[Help:Contents|Help]] page ain't too bad, either. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 09:07, 13 February 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Medron Pryde==<br />
Hey all. I've only been here at the BattleTech Wiki a few minutes. :-) I was invited here by Revanche and I figured after some thought that I might as well come on over. Hehehe. I hope to be helpful here. I worked on wikis before so the basic idea behind them I do understand. I hope I can be helpful here. ;-) --[[User:Medron Pryde|Medron Pryde]] 06:37, 19 December 2006 (CST)<br />
:Hi there Medron! New blood is always welcome, glad to have you aboard. --[[User:Xoid|Xoid]] 06:40, 19 December 2006 (CST)<br />
:Second that. Glad to have you here! Between Nic & Medron, its like a Sanford & Sons reunion (err...the joke being that they both have top-notch BT archives...which is like...oh, never mind.) --[[User:Revanche|Revanche (admin)]] 23:13, 19 December 2006 (CST)<br />
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==Xoid==<br />
I'm relatively new to the BattleTech Wiki (been around a week or so), but I'm no newbie to MediaWiki; I saw a few templates that needed some attention, some minor things here and there and decided to step in, give a nudge in the right direction and give a lil' bit back to Sarna.net after using it so often over the years. I wasn't planning on sticking around, but when I saw the marvellous work that CJKeys was putting in, I changed my mind. --[[User:Xoid|Xoid]] 05:21, 21 November 2006 (CST)<br />
:And we're dang glad you did. Welcome! --[[User:Revanche|Revanche (admin)]] 09:04, 21 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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==Jimmy the Tulip==<br />
Hi all. I don't think I'm the newest here either but I'm here as a Reader (to glean more BT info), an Editor (to help these guys who do all this hard work to make this the best BT info site ever) and as a Creator (for writing fiction, which is one of my loves). Hi to all who are here and all who have yet to arrive. --[[User:Jimmy the Tulip|Jimmy the Tulip]] 15:09, 20 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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==Revanche==<br />
Hello...while I'm not quite the newest person here, it still's good to introduce myself to the community. If you're posting here to say hello, post right above this post (or the otherwise top-most post if I'm not the top one) and say hi. Whether you're here to gather information (as a Reader), provide it (a Creator) or update (an Editor), we're very glad to have you here. Let's make BTW the best resource it can be for the BattleTech community. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche (admin)]] 10:26, 19 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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==Frabby==<br />
Hello everybody! Well, here's me: I started playing classic boardgame BT and reading the novels in 1992, back in a time when I had plentiful of spare time in the army (Luftwaffe actually). Not knowing anything about the game universe or the 'Mech designs I randomly affiliated with House '''Liao''' and chose the Archer as my 'Mech for the first training battles. The preferrence for House Liao stuck.<br />
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Besides boardgame 'Mech combat we did a lot of scifi roleplaying in the BT universe back then and eventually played our own merc unit (with periphery bandit background), the ''Harbingers of Doom''. They eventually merged into the Oberon Confederation if I remember correctly. Truth be told though, BT was only one of the many roleplaying/boardgame systems that I played during that time.<br />
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Around 1996 I played as Liao MechWarrior ''Frabartolo'' in a text-based online BT community. I eventually dropped out because my university uplink was too slow for the realtime combat simluator, leaving my 'Mech a sitting duck in the training exercises, and thus preventing me from ever partaking in any serious battles. My notable exploits during the time included wasting 3 Griffins in a row in ill-fated attempts to prove the design's superiority on the battlefield, faring surprisingly well piloting a Crusader (a design I don't like) and eventually getting assigned a Cataphract, but never the Archer I always asked for. Despite merely mediocre combat performance (or perhaps because this was still better than than the average Liao MechWarrior) I was promoted to Subcommander, drafted into Warrior House Imarra against my wishes and given command of a Lance that had never seen combat action by the time I had to quit the game.<br />
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I liked the early LosTech flair of the BT universe and started to lose interest in the storyline when the Clans arrived because I do not like their in-credible story and the associated tech and rules and general munchkinism :-( Accordingly, my BT interests primarily cover the time period between 3000 and 3050, and the inner workings of the BT universe at that time. Always enjoyed playing the Liao underdog.<br />
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If I were to name a favorite Clan then it would be the Ghost Bears, or perhaps the Snow Ravens. <br />
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[[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 16:22, 12 August 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:Amen, brother! There are more people who like the older 3rd Succession War thing than people realize, I think. I thought that even the 4th Succession War was a bit a betrayal, but I understand the need of a company to grow an enterprise. :) All of my stuff is completely played completely in pre-Clan days and actually pre-FedCom days. [[User:Bdevoe|Bdevoe]] 21:00, 12 August 2007 (CDT)<br />
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==Legionnaire==<br />
Hi i am legionnaire and i currently play Mechwarrior 4 Mercenaries i have read all the books and i have extensive knowledge of the lore I am known In NBT league as ‡GЇ Legionnaire Ghost bear domminion pilot.<br />
--[[User:75.15.219.228|75.15.219.228]] 20:50, 22 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:Hello there mate, welcome to Sarna. You may wish to actually register an account; it ensures that your contributions are attributed to you and will enable you to still edit the wiki in the unlikely event that a soft-ban has to be issued on your IP address/range. --[[User:Xoid|Xoid]] 23:18, 22 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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==Communibus Locis==<br />
Old school Battletech player from the 80's. I don't play anymore but still purchase the source books (long live Amazon!) as I enjoy reading the history of the universe. I was a big fan of the Black Widow (I KNEW she was "related" to Alexander! lol) back in the day but recently have been focusing on the history of the clans. Mostly from the exodus through the golden age. I get a little bored with the Clans Return.<br />
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Seems like my enjoyment is from the early 2000's to the formation of the Star League then The Exodus to about 3000. I'd have to think about my favorite clan but probably Clan Wolf. I like that it is Nicolas Kerensky's "clan" although I have scoured every single source book for information regarding the [[Minnesota Tribe]] and the Clan that shall not be named. [[User:Communibus locis|Locis]] 08:44, 8 January 2008 (CST) Communibus locus<br />
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==PerkinsC==<br />
Old School BattleTech Player that is quite more into the Bones of the universe than i am into the status of the factions... <br />
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I run sheets for things that I use to verify things.<br />
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Being an Office Automation Clerk in my other life, I find that it i the numbers that you can trust... and often not the knee jerk reactions of the community at large... [[User:PerkinsC|PerkinsC]] 18:33, 1 March 2008 (CST)<br />
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==Cyc== <br />
Another old school Battletech player (cliche!), I haven't played a game since high school which scarily is decade ago at this point. Getting older and running out of space have caused my long claimed goal of getting out to slowly come true, but still retain enough knowledge and enough books to contribute worthwhile edits. Main conflict in my contributions are books are at home, while ironically I have the most time to visit while I'm at work, thus most of my edits are general tag/pipe repairs from endlessly prowling the wanted page list [[User:Cyc|Cyc]] 18:36, 22 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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==moosegod==<br />
A totally new school Battletech player. Got in through MechWarrior 2, then left it for a while. Came back with MegaMek, and now in love. <br />
I'm Inner Sphere- I love true humanity. But I am not sure what faction. Probably somewhere minor in the Periphery. I almost like the [[Free Worlds League]], but they were stupid enough to side with the wobblies.<br />
I've been working with ASFs. Not because I like them, but because they are the only ones not done so far.<br />
[[User:Moosegod|Moosegod]] 20:27, 14 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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==The Big Eye==<br />
I've honestly never played Battletech. It's not too popular in the far north... I played an adaptation of it once that was made by a long-time pencil-and-paper RPG fan who later left for university, but that's about it. Big fan of the Mechwarrior series, though. I got Mechwarrior 4 nigh on three years ago, and I still play it all the time. I'll mostly be useful for sporadic spelling and grammar checking 'n such. Just happy to be on the team! [[User:The Big Eye|The Big Eye]] 14:42, 24 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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==Qesun Vendak==<br />
New to Battletech, but been a fan of the universe through the Mechwarrior game for years. Happened at one LAN Party. A teacher from my school was chaperoning the party and was also a gamer. One who was getting frustrated with his game of Mechwarrior 4 Vengence. I asked if I could try. Beat out that mission and the next few after it. Had my parents get me a joystick and Mech 3 for that birthday.<br />
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I got into Battletech when a friend of mine moved over where I live from the hole he used to live in. Actually got into it not by gameplay itself buy by customizing mechs. Ended up creating the [[Mule (Custom Mech)|Mule]] and the [[Tinman II|Tinman (UM-T1)]] that night.<br />
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Ever since then I've been further and further introduced to Battletech through multiple games of it with friends. Most games through MegaMek now. I've got the Tech Manual and access to an assortment of BT related documents, so I might be able to provide help every now and then depending on what I see is needed. [[User:Qesun Vendak|Qesun Vendak]] 20:05, 10 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
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==JubalHarshaw==<br />
Hi. Long time fan of the BattleTech universe ... mostly played the video games, but have read a ton of the sourcebooks for fun, did a little tabletop/RPG gaming in the universe back in the day, and just generally enjoy it. I'm also a huge proponent of wikis in general. Glad to be aboard! [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 14:31, 18 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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==Onisuzume==<br />
Konnichiwa, as thy say in the Combine. I've been a fan of BattleTech ever since the TV series I guess. My only problem is the lack of other players in my area. (so I haven't bought any models yet) So mostly, I have to console myself with the MechWarrior games. I occationally checked this wiki for information about the various 'Mechs (which is slightly faster than flipping through TROs), but was kinda disappointed at the lack of a number of 'Mechs. So, its time to put a change to that. [[User:Onisuzume|Onisuzume]] 02:25, 4 November 2008 (PST)<br />
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==Tripler==<br />
Howdy! I've been a fan ever since high school (1991), and have played off and on ever since. While I have not been playing in near on a decade, I've actually found that Battletech (and all its data) have been great source of data for learning how to build databases, spreadsheets, generating forms, and all sorts of jobby-job skills I can translate into paycheck-earning work. Yes, I have had to "Minimize Screen" because I was importing equipment tables from Excel to Access when my boss walked in. Still though, it's a fun game to plan and strategize with, but I just haven't had a good opponent to get me back into it. Lately, I've been gathering all of my previous documentation and consolidating it into a mercenary unit's core set of rules, including TOEs, manpower documents, and maps (in AutoCad!) of my base and its facilities. Like I said, it's a great way to learn other software platforms when you're not rolling dice! Someday, if I have kids, I look forward to showing it to them too. 22 Nov 08.[[User:68.101.0.187|68.101.0.187]] 04:13, 22 November 2008 (PST)<br />
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==KevinSSr==<br />
I have been a fan and player for over 10 years. I haven't played for a while since my son left the house. While this doesn't allow me to play the game, I still keep up on it. As Tripler says above, I use battletech for programming inspiration. For my JAVA (not javascript) class, I recreated a Mercenary Contract Generator that actually prints out the contract or saves it to a file. I have also programmed a Temperature Converter in C++ (and Visual Basic) and Planetary atmosphere, miscellaneous information and temperature converter in Visual Basic. I have numerous WORD and EXCEL documents including TOE's for my mercenary command (started in 3025 and running through 3050).<br />
Now I concentrate on planetary and system exploration. This means several things. First, I've plotted the entire Inner Sphere and Clan systems in 3d. I am looking for information about planets and systems so I can fill in the blanks. I also have a program that helps create systems. So when the book says Jerangle is 3 of 5 planets, but doesn't specify the other planets, I can create them and their moons. This makes for a more realistic system and gives more information other than x,y coordinates and system name! So working on planets is one of my big things. One other note: I probably have almost all of the rulebooks, sourcebooks, TROs, and adventures since Battletech started. So I should be able to help alot!<br />
[[User:KevinSSr|KevinSSr]] 19:21, 6 December 2008 (PST)<br />
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==Wrangler==<br />
Hi ya, I'm been a off and on CBT fan/player for last 20 years, thou only getting into playing the game itself in 2002 & regularly. I was a programmer long time ago, thou I am rusty. I be a little slow to learn things. I believe, given enough time I feel that I can contribute alot to BattletechWiki trying fill in the missing gabs in files on Wiki. I have all the TROs (old & New), nearly all the novels & new/old rule books as well. I will do my best to contribute cause. [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 20:50, 5 January 2009 (EST)<br />
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==JoshWolf==<br />
Hi my name is Josh Wolf im a Battle Tech Fan and i play mech warrior 4 mercs i got into BT we i was 10 years old<br />
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==Longi==<br />
Hey there, I'm also known as Nostra on CBT forums, if you want to look me up. I'm a longtime battletech/mechwarrior fan, having been playing the computer and console games steadily since Mechwarrior 3 debuted. I'm only just now getting into Classic Battletech gaming, but I played Dark Age when it first came out, and have been playing battltech in some form or another for quite some time.<br />
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==FellBlade==<br />
Hello, i first got into Battletech over a decade ago, 1995 to be exact and left it for many years, I have found myself pulled back in partialy by our local Commando and partialy by the incredibly deep setting Battletech has to offer. I hope to add matereal to the Wiki, and of course to continue playing into the future.<br />
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==Dracoix==<br />
Hey, I'm Dracoix (also known as Q on MekTek forums.) I first encountered with CBT in 1996 when playing the MW:31st game and been devoted since. I'm also a professional composer and freelance programmer. Glad to be contributing here on Sarna finally ever since seeing blank pages. --[[User:Dracoix|Dracoix]] 04:23, 27 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==75.121.106.238==<br />
I am 75.121.106.238 I am an unknown, from the unknown.<br />
A serial number. Informative. But only if you know how to read it.<br />
I had no wish to ascend above a casual anonymity. Simply fixing a spelling error, rewriting a paragraph for grammar's sake.<br />
I have no great knowledge. But I do what I can.<br />
--[[User:75.121.106.238|75.121.106.238]]<br />
Anonymous since 8-31-2009.<br />
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==LordPestilence==<br />
After browsing the articles here on BTW, I finally decided to contribute. I'm the one who did the articles on the 1st Battalion of the 1st Davion Guards RCT (from the PC game MechCommander) and a couple of related articles, since I've been a MC and BT fan for more than 10 years.<br />
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Call me Pest!<br />
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[[User:LordPestilence|LordPestilence]] 03:14, 10 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==ThePov==<br />
I'm part grammar cop, part researcher. I'm not likely to do any major changes to existing pages, just grammar stuff, but I might create a short page that needs to be created every now and again. I'm a pretty avid BT fan, and I hope that i can make this a more complete and correct Wiki, because that's what BT deserves<br />
[[User:ThePov|ThePov]] 15:26, 18 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Ouchies81==<br />
Battletech has been a passion of mine since I played Crescent Hawk's Inception so many years back. I've been editing small grammar and spelling errors here for awhile in my free time and when they annoy me. I figured I'd give a hello to all the other contributors here!<br />
[[User:Ouchies81|Ouchies81]] 08:32, 29 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Greyhind==<br />
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Heya peeps, I followed a user back from the CBT forums like a little lost child and am now planning to screw up all your hard work and claim the resulting mess as my own. I do not, however, own much in the way of source material so I'll be concentrating upon the horrifying realm of grammar!<br />
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==Citizen Erased==<br />
Greetings to all! I'm a current poster with this handle over at CBT, and a former poster of the Sarna.net forums under the handle MacLeod. Lit major, long-time BT fan, yadda yadda... Basically, I'm here now to change those long nights I spend reading up on source material into long nights correcting and adding source material to the Wiki.<br />
[[User:Citizen Erased|Citizen Erased]] 05:17, 18 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Underadarkhand==<br />
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I guess I should say hello one and all. I don't have the experience with the books that others probably do, however sense what I will be adding to the site will be strait up fanon work any way it should not be to much of a problem. I would like any help with the particulars of putting up a fan universe up that anybody will willingly give.<br />
[[User:Underadarkhand|Underadarkhand]] 17:13, 23 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Gabaux==<br />
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I am a real fan of the BT books... sorry, novells. I am fond of the stories told by Stackpole and other people. <br />
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BT rulez<br />
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==rebelscum==<br />
Young writer seeking editorial experience and fun all in one giant, shiny metal package. <br />
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I found this page by searching BattleTech Wiki, as I am a fan (but not contributor) of other wikis. This is my first go round, so be gentle.<br />
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I too am a fan of the fiction created around the BattleTech universe. Michael Stackpole, Robert Thurston and Blaine Lee Pardoe are all names I like to see in print, and the stories they tell have fueled my imagination for quite some time. I've also played the game BattleTech with friends for about 20 years now (on and off), and have a love for the game and all things connected with it. [[User:Rebelscum|Rebelscum]] 05:25, 4 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==BlueMax==<br />
BlueMax is an ancient relic discovered amongst a star league cache, with copies of The Fox's Teeth , More Tales of the Black Widow and so on. Buried during the Crescent Hawks Revenge and only recently discovered. His only goal is to fix small errors and help where he can. <br />
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[[User:BlueMax|BlueMax]] 18:45, 7 April 2010 (UTC)BlueMax<br />
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==ArkRoyalRavager==<br />
Hi, i've been visiting Sarna for a long time now and just thought i should contribute something to this wiki and help the Battletech community as a whole. I started out doing minor edits here and there as an anonymous user (doing the FSS Excalibur, Valkyrie QD-2, Fed Suns academies notable graduates, 3rd Robinson Rangers history) but just decided to register and contribute in my free time. I'll be adding stuff mostly to the Federated Suns articles. Look forward to having fun here!<br />
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==Almighty==<br />
Hello, I'm a wanderer, an occasional wiki writer and other project writer. I haven't seen a BT wiki yet so I joined the first I saw. So here I am reading and finding lots to be edited. :lol: I'm not really a BT fan but happen to know people and so forth.<br />
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[[User:Almighty|Almighty]] 14:02, 3 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==David Clarke==<br />
I've been watching you all build this for a long while, and it's very impressive. I just signed up to politely make edits for the odd error. Mostly I just build fantasy armies for my own pleasure, and this wiki is pure gold for that.<br />
--[[User:David Clarke|David Clarke]] 07:57, 27 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Signato==<br />
Hi all. Joined a bit ago and thought to say hello. I originally came across BT when the 3050 technical readout was first published and enjoyed it incredibly then. I've recently been reading up on everything that has happened since and I love where it has moved on to. Used to love Aerotech as well so I've made a few hexmaps for everyone to enjoy. I have a few other ideas but we'll have to see if any come to fruition. I hope to be able to add more original graphics in the future to create a bit more eyecandy for some of those bland pages and to skirt the copyright issue by creating them myself. By the way, love what you've done with the place.<br />
[[User:Signato|Signato]] 22:38, 22 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Maniac Paul==<br />
Hey folks. Loved the sarna.net ftp site years ago and came upon the great wiki while looking for cover images of the novels. Alas, they weren't all that good - so I'm scanning my originals and uploading them. Hopefully someone will also like the clearer versions.<br />
[[User:Maniacpaul|Maniacpaul]] 18:42, 25 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==House0430==<br />
Help! I'm lost and need an adult!<br />
[[User:House0430|House0430]] 04:25, 3 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Batty Schultz==<br />
Hi all. This is an awesome resource. Excellent work. I first got into BT and MW (like someone else said) when Tech Readouts 3025 was fresh in print. Played seriously (instead of college) for too many years. Now I'm starting again after a long break, this time towing my son and some of his friends with me.<br />
I hope I can make some useful contributions.<br />
[[User:Batty|Batty]] 00:05, 13 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==MirageES==<br />
Hey all! I go by Dave or MirageES, and I have been a fan of the BattleTech universe ever since I first played MechWarrior3. That got me into reading the books and I am now working on completing my novel collection. I tend to sympathize with the Warden Clans, and I sometimes irritate my friends and family by throwing clan terms into my sentences. My other interests include fast cars and racing. I am currently in the process of modifying my car and trying to increase performance. As for what I'd like to work on editing, I love reading about 'Mechs and learning about them, so if I ever get new info., or find a correction, that will be the first thing I will work on. In my spare time I also enjoy grouping 'Mechs by tonnage, purpose, firepower, capabilities, combinations that compliment each other, etc. I have whole spreadsheets full of information and grouping. I hope I can make helpful contributions here.<br />
[[User:MirageES|MirageES]] 15:16, 29 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Bubbay==<br />
Hi! Just found this amazing resource and I have lost far too many hours stumbling around. I'll admit, my lore knowledge is somewhat limited, so my contributions are pretty much limited to spelling and grammar corrections. Hopefully, it helps! Keep up the great work, everyone! [[User:Bubbay|Bubbay]] 00:04, 16 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==BigBear1010==<br />
Hello everyone! I have forgotten more than I can remember about Battletech, since I was once very deep into the games, back in the 1980's. I am and was always a die-hard Battletech player and loved playing it for hours on end, even when I had many other things to do. I have limited myself to pre-3025 to 3040 era mechs, and never did get into the clans. Tho, they do make great reading and they do look awesome. <br />
I have been re-included with my old battletech energies by joining a local Battletech group that meets weekly. I have still many things to relearn, but as with riding a bike, it does not take long to get back on.<br />
I do enjoy writing some history, and I am in the process of writing some non-canon history of a current battlion in the 3040-3050 era. Again, I am a re-found BattleTech player, and I thank you all for writing up and about the Battletech world. Please have a nice day!<br />
[[User:BigBear1010|BigBear1010]] 22:47, 22 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==TekTeam26==<br />
Hello, all. I first started playing BattleTech back in the late 80's. I have also had about a dozen articles published over the years in BattleTechnology Magazine and MechForce Quarterly. I am the original creator of the non-jump capable WarShips known as Monitors (love them or hate them) I've mostly played the usual Mech games, though my main interest is with aerospace and BattleArmor. I am very fond of combined arms scenarios and stories that are set well outside the usual Great Houses. I am no longer an active BattleTech player, but am still very interested in current developments particularly involving WarShips and other large craft like Pocket WarShips. I created the original unit TekTeam Technical Services that was featured in several of my published stories like 'Saga of the Amaris Star'. I hope to add a full unit history for TekTeam Technical Services that includes future developments that had not been previously published. Enjoy the possibilities.[[Special:Contributions/71.74.86.252|71.74.86.252]] 22:55, 5 January 2011 (UTC)</div>71.74.86.252https://www.sarna.net/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Mbear&diff=155599User talk:Mbear2011-01-05T10:49:01Z<p>71.74.86.252: /* Question and Information */</p>
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== Citing BV & template ==<br />
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[[Policy_Talk:Canon#Citing_BV]]: looks like your idea has sparked support. Can you pls respond? --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 18:52, 15 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Hy Mbear i post a little link *''[http://www.classicbattletech.com/downloads/MasterUnitList_v1-66p_Names.pdf Master Unit List.pdf]'', i hope it is helpfull.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 20:10, 15 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Blocking Mortiorum work==<br />
Hi Mbear, other day scrambled to put up a Mortiorum volation notice on the [[Arbiter]] article. I do not normally do that sort of thing so i wasn't sure what to do. How do you temporary, block text like it is now? Its not blanking, but i'm not sure how to do it or how to put correct template on there note that someone violated the Mort. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 16:13, 11 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
:To hide the information from view, the editor put standard HTML comment tags around the content they wanted to blank out. These tags tell the web browser to ignore anything between them.<br />
:To start an HTML comment, hit the edit page and then place &lt;!-- before the stuff you want to disappear. To close the HTML comment (stop hiding stuff) use the --&gt; tag. Here's a sample (hit the section edit link to see how it works):<br />
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Hello Wrangler! Thanks for catching the moratorium violation on the Arbiter article. I appreciate it.<br />
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:I'm not sure if hiding the text is the correct procedure, or if I should delete the page. I'll have to check with the other admins.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 16:29, 11 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Actually I just re-read the [[Policy:Moratorium]] and it says that commenting out is the correct procedure. There's also some info there.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 16:36, 11 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Update needed Tags ==<br />
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Mbear - Question : I appreciate the amount of work you've put in going through all those commands. But isn't this a bit excessive? Some of the articles now have more than five tags. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 13:42, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Yes, it is excessive. Many of these commands just sat there with a stub tag for ages. By adding the relevant update needed tags, I hope that editors can see each relevant reference book. This will give them a head start on updating the article.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 15:32, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Tikonov Republican Guards ==<br />
Hi Mbear. Why did you change the name of the Republican regiments? Most of the source books have them listed as (no.) Republicans, not Tikonov Republican Guards. Thats going be bit confusing for alot of folks. I know name not terribly popular but changing them going be rather confusing for people in long run. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 10:50, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I changed them because <br />
:# the FCCW book called them the Tikonov Republican Guards.<br />
:# the Rim Worlds Republic's units were also called Republicans.<br />
:If you want to change them back, feel free. I've no objection.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 11:26, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Hi Mbear. Sorry sound like jerk about it. The Brigade is called Tikonov Republican Guards, and that correct. The individual Regiments are just called, 1st Republican, 2nd Republican, & 3rd Republican. Without the guard name in them. Thats from FCCW book, p. 183 among other listings in the book. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 12:09, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::No problem. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I'm not too proud to admit it. {{emoticon|:)}}--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 15:58, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::: Sounds like a disambig page is maybe needed. :) [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 18:27, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Your opinion and support, please==<br />
Hi Mbear, I have done a huge rework of the existing articles of the mercs. I splitted larger commands in single regiments. Please read my anwser to Frappy's question on his profil. Let me know what are you thinking about it. I'm not sure which information is needed/prefered by the other commands and which is the best way to show the difference by the force structur of each faction. For example: the CCAF attached a independ command company to each regiment and the dcms have a other structure... please help me... [[User:Neuling|Neuling]] 16:45, 12 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Support Please==<br />
Hey, I have a huge project on the run and need support/ideas for the best solution. The [[1st Aragon Border]]s is a example for future work. My idea is do rework all units an bring them to one level with the same structure. I have done the same to the mercs lately. Only a few units are left, but this is only temporary. Please view it an give my a response. Any support is welcome... [[User:Neuling|Neuling]] 18:26, 20 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Sarna News==<br />
Hy Mbear the moratorium for [[Record Sheets: 3058 Unabridged (Clan & Star League)]] and [[Record Sheets: 3058 Unabridged (Inner Sphere)]] is done, please can you post this in the Latest Newsburst, thanks.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 02:03, 24 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Vandalism==<br />
Hi Mbear, I've caught a vandal. You may want to bar [[User:Lemur]] from being here. They attacked the [[Essay: Combat DropShips 101]]. Seems like these vandals are going for anything with Essay lately. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 17:44, 26 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Record Sheets: 3085 Print Edition==<br />
Hi Mbear, the new article which highlights the moratorium expiring on September 29th. I wasn't aware they gaven out a published/dead tree actual street date for the book. Isn't it suppose to expire after it hits the street not when the PDF comes out? -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 13:08, 3 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
:You're right. My mistake. I thought it was a PDF only release. I'll fix it.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 16:53, 3 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Hy Mbear, why dont you use your first uploaded RS3085 image it has a better quality.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 17:59, 3 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
::I used the lower quality one because it's smaller and I don't know how to shrink images in the infoboxes.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 18:01, 3 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Ok, i fix it, when it is ok ;).--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 18:05, 3 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::Go for it.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 18:08, 3 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::Done.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 18:10, 3 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Infobox problems==<br />
Hi Mbear, i've been working on bring up the quality of the planet articles. I've been finding some articles are having its text displaced by something in the article. Example: [[Ozawa]]. I some how "fixed" one of them, something i did in new [[York (Clan planet)]] article i added. Is there anything in your abilities, see what causing the text to be displaced. I'd ask Rev, but he doesn't seem to be around lately and i'm not sure who to goto. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 18:47, 25 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
:So the display of Ozawa is incorrect and York is correct?--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 18:54, 25 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Yes, you'll note when you goto the Ozawa page, there huge gap on top of the page. I'm trying to get rid of those gaps. I have no coding abilities, so i'm not sure what causing it displace. I know only one thing thou, the Infobox has something to do with it. When its removed, it stops happening. I'm not sure if its the size or where it is. Doneve, been adding pictures and info to some of the pages, and its getting thrown off. I'm not certain what really causing it. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 19:24, 25 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Using Ozawa as an example, I can see two possible causes for the problem you're seeing.<br />
:::# The infobox isn't the first thing on the page and it should be.<br />
:::# The images that are in the article are messing up the layout.<br />
:::I've tried moving the infobox to the top of the page so it's the first thing the web browser sees and it helped a little. What do you think?--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 19:56, 25 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Slight improvement, but infobox is still displacing the text. Man, looks like we need a coder remedy this. Why does this happen? Half of the articles we have who do have the info boxes don't have this displacement. *sigh* -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 22:53, 25 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Electronic Book category question==<br />
Hi MBear, i have question. I just created the Electronic Book category for Sarna. Is there away to create a short-cut category name for it? I was thinking having E-Book alias/re-direct for the category. However, my limited knowledge of wiki-code keeps me wanting to mess up the place trying test to see if redirect of category was possible. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 19:44, 2 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Yes. A link to a category can be treated like any other link by placing a single colon after the two opening braces. For your ebook category redirect, you would do this:<br />
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:You can also put links to categories in a regular page. See the [[Sword]] article's "complete list of hatchet and sword using BattleMechs" for an example.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 19:50, 2 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Equipment + Ammunition ==<br />
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Hi Mbear,<br />
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I read lately TacOps and find out there are many types of ammunition not descript on the section, what do you think is it help to create an overview for example all autocannon ammunition types or the lrm missile types. Tnx [[User:Neuling|Neuling]] 19:19, 9 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
:That's already underway. [[:Category:Alternate Ammunition|Category:Alternate Ammunition]] is missile-related and [[:Category:Special Munitions|Category:Special Munitions]] is for autocannon.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 19:48, 9 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Unit Structures ==<br />
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its me again, I can't decide which way is the best to reflect the induvial faction difference for the forces, for example all CCAF mechforces at regiment level have 1 Command Company and the DCMS doesn't employ independent command units? Tnx [[User:Neuling|Neuling]] 19:23, 9 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I would bring this up on the [[BattleTechWiki:Project Military Commands]] discussion page.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 19:49, 9 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Organization Structure==<br />
Hy Mbear, I jump in, then I add the gallery's of Neulings Organzation Structures, but i must say, i talk with Neuling every day in the ICQ, you know we are german natives, and nice to see it comes a notice for Neulings edits, he makes a really good work about the newly added Organization structure, he added it and i fix little thinks (gallery, tags, etc), a hand to hand cooperation, you are the first admin to bring a statement to his last work, ähm sorry for my rough englisch ;), but i think you know what i say..., and again sorry for my grammar ...past and tense failurs in the conversation grml. Greetings --[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 04:31, 18 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I remember both you and Neuling aren't native speakers of English. (And I respect your efforts to learn such a messed-up language!) And I agree, Neuling has made a lot of very nice improvements to the Wiki. If I implied otherwise in my message to him, I'll apologize for that. Neuling's work strikes me as being a "diamond in the rough" as we say over here: A few cuts and trips to the polishing stone and it's great. That's all I meant about the Organization tree images. <br />
:If you're working in the gallery I mentioned on the [[Task Force Serpent]] page, please realize that my comment wasn't "This sucks, get rid of it" it was "This is a great start, but could be so much better with just a little more effort." It was like seeing someone run a marathon and then deciding to drop out at mile marker 25 instead of finishing the race.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 14:08, 20 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Andurien Succession==<br />
Hey Mbear, what is your opinion about my extension of the Andurien Crises. My next project will the Ronin Wars and after that the Anton Marik Revolt. Both Project in two days... :) [[User:Neuling|Neuling]] 16:00, 27 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I think you should change your formatting <br />
:*so it's written in sentences rather than this list format<br />
:*so it doesn't use the "+" sign in the lists, but does use a comma as the separator<br />
:*so it uses the correct referencing system (<nowiki><ref>''Historical: Brush Wars'', p. 54</ref></nowiki>)<br />
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So instead of this:<br />
;Planet:Repulse <br />
;MAF Forces:Taskforce Duo (2nd Canopian Light Horse + 2nd Canopian Cuirassiers + 2nd Canopian Fusiliers) <br />
;CCAF Forces:Kincade’s Rangers <br />
;Outcome:The numbers count for the invaders but the Rangers had some training cycles with the Death Commandos. The used every possible tactic to soften the Canopian forces up. The Rangers went in the underground. <br />
;Source:Brush War p. 54<br />
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It would read more like this:<br />
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On [[Repulse]] the Taskforce Duo (consisting of the [[2nd Canopian Light Horse]], [[2nd Canopian Cuirassiers]], and [[2nd Canopian Fusiliers]]) faced the [[CCAF]]'s [[Kincaid's Rangers]]. Though outnumbering the Rangers three to one, the Rangers had trained alongside the [[Death Commando]]s and used every possible tactic to soften up the invading Canopian forces. They then went underground to continue their resistance.<br />
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:There's no point in reinventing something that already exists (referencing system), and the lists you're using here are just one step away from a sentence based layout anyway.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 16:13, 27 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==MWDA Dossier Question(s)==<br />
Hi Mbear. Do you recall if there was a Swordsworn data card? I was looking at the dossier you uploaded, notice there wasn't a faction dossier for them, and other forces but the Stormhammers. I could sworn when they came out they did have one...You wouldn't happen know where it could be found? -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 11:24, 4 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I didn't play MWDA, so I don't have the information. Everything I have I pulled from http://www.warrenborn.com/ so if it wasn't there I don't have it. I don't remember having a Swordsworn data card/dossier though. (If you find one and need it split up though, let me know.)--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]]<br />
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==MWDA Data Cards==<br />
Howdy again. Question: Has anyone created PDF of the Data cards that WizKids produced? The ones they replaced dossiers with. I remember also their website included info from it. Alot of it ...not really canon. Neverless, since Herb been talking about fast forwarding through the slow part of the Dark Age, it maybe handy for players to have access to those things. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 11:24, 4 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I've no idea. As I said earlier I didn't play MWDA so I'm not really sure what the data cards looked like or where to find them. Sorry!--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 12:06, 4 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Audurien Succession Question==<br />
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::Hi Mbear. To answer your question regarding my reparts about how the article ([[Audurien Succession]]) was written. I disagree with the format which was written in style of "giving world to world conflict with no content with only generic results". To me thats not Sarna's style, in my opinion. I realize that i may be out line, to me it looks little sloopy. i know i haven't wrote very good gems and i'm grammer challenged. However, I feel the war should be written with more content. As Scaletail has commented, its multi-"war" event. I Believe it needs to be cleaned up in way where it tells the story of the Succession & the War Audriens fought during this time period. Its like its own era. Anyways, the new format comment comes from Neufeld edit. I disagree in way he wrote the conflict, if you would look at what i wrote for the history of the [[1st Defenders of Andurien|1st Defenders of Andurien's]] history section. I feel the article should be written like that, not blow to blow. I did write [[Operation: Ice Storm]], [[Operation: Sovereign Justice]], and [[Operation: Thunderstrike]] bit information in blow by blow format. That was only because there wasn't alot source material on it to expand what was going on, i didn't want overwhelm someone with too much info about it. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 18:24, 5 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::I actually like what you did for [[Operation: Ice Storm]], [[Operation: Sovereign Justice]], and [[Operation: Thunderstrike]]. That format is the one I'd like to see as well. I don't think the setup used on the [[Andurien Secession]] page is good one at all. This list, though informative, lacks the depth we want here on Sarna. In addition, the "Source" line duplicates the reference tag system that's already in place. I don't want to just delete the work that's there however without talking to other people.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 15:56, 6 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Moratorium==<br />
Hi Mbear, i removed the content of user [[204.111.227.240 ]], he makes a moratorium violation, i hope it is ok. Greetings--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 18:17, 7 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:What page was this on?--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 18:20, 7 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:: It was the [[Nightsky]] page.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 18:25, 7 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::OK. That's fine. Usually I try to put a link to the Moratorium policy on the page as well, but what you did was fine. If it's a contributor with a user name, you may want to add a note to their talk page as well. You can't do that here though, as it's just an IP address.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 18:27, 7 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::Good idea with the link to the moratorium policy.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 18:34, 7 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::I like to put that link there so the person knows it's not just me being a jerk, but an official policy. Plus I don't have to explain it to them.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 18:35, 7 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::Very Very good, thats eliminate some irritaions about the moratorium.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 18:40, 7 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Cooperation==<br />
Hi Mbear, I will enjoy our cooperation by the war projects. Which is the best way to get the information from me and what is from your viewpoint the to display a timeline for every major faction? With best regrets [[User:Neuling|Neuling]] 18:34, 13 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Neuling, sorry about the late response. Real life has been busy. At the moment I'm trying to clean out the sources needing updates page. To add the information, I'd make a subpage off your main page and put the information there. When you've added everything, just put a comment on my talk page and I'll get to it.<br />
:I think we already have a timeline for each major faction. [[Star_League/Timeline]], [[Draconis Combine/Timeline]], [[Federated Suns/Timeline]], [[Timeline of the Capellan Confederation]]. I'd just use those as the format.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 11:04, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Problem==<br />
Hi Mbear, i'm not sure who around, but someone uploaded a non-canon imagine. [http://cf.sarna.net/docs/mwda_dossiers/2750th.png Terran Hegemony Map] appears to be a non-canon image but there no label stating it is. DO you know what were suppose to do about this? I've not dealth with a direct png image before. Usually these things have page that gives direction of the image. Someone thought the image uploaded was canon. I'm going ask Rev, but i'm not sure how often he comes around these days. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 02:31, 17 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I'd just put a non-canon tag on the image page. If we're wrong, we can change it later.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 11:33, 17 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Its a direct image, i can't find anything to put a tag on it. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 12:44, 17 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::OK. What you have to do is put in a link to the image like this: <nowiki>[[Image:2750th.png|Terran Hegemony Map]]</nowiki>. This will include the image on the page. From there, you can click the image and you'll be taken to the image's wiki page. Then you can add the tag you need.<br />
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:::In this case it looks like someone has beaten you to it.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 17:44, 17 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::Yeah, it was me. I back tracked it to Neuling, doing it the hardway once i figured out who posted it. I feel hate see someone on CBT boards thinking we have bunch of non-canon stuff up here that no labelled. *sigh*. Thanks for the advice, i'll use it next time i have to try find a rogue imagine. Hadn't tried using a imagine:blah.png. Thanks. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 18:16, 17 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Faction list & Deployment==<br />
Hi Mbear, I will create equipment list for each faction but which way is the best without the fear of a delete because someone see this as plagarism attemp. Your thoughts are welcome. And can you explain me way by all equipment of vehicles mechs and so on no deployment sup exits... [[User:Neuling|Neuling]] 17:26, 15 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Neuling, before you start you should check out the [[BattleTechWiki talk:Project BattleMechs]] page and see some of the discussions there. (The Faction Categories and Faction Categories Redux are the two that are most relevant.)<br />
:To answer your question about why no such list exists, I think it's because the Categories serve the same purpose.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 17:31, 15 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Vandalism again==<br />
Hi Mbear, sorry cry on your shoulder. I had some spambot [[User:70.39.93.16]] attack the [[New Avalon Institute of Science]]. Can you ban this thing please? I'm still not able to do that. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 19:24, 16 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Done!--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 19:36, 16 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Quick Strike Rules==<br />
Hi Mbear. Since were getting a bunch of products for the ''Quick-Strike Rules'', i think we may need have a article dedicate it. Unit Cards are for use of the new version of Battleforce, but their intended for Quick-Strike. Do you think its possible find someone write it up? I'm not that savy writing up game system type articles. I try, but they do not always right since i seem miss something. Where would this proposal go? -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 21:00, 23 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Probably the best place is the [[BTW:A|admins page]]. I don't think we have a "Request an Article" page.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 12:16, 27 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Alrighty then, i wish there was one. -- 17:57, 27 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Question and Information==<br />
Hi Mbear, I have complete my projects: with the war of 3039, the ronin wars, fedcom civil war, antons revolt and the andurien session/canopus war. Fell free when you want to put this information in a unique article. Operation Revival and Jade Falcon incursion article will be modify also in the near future by me. And now my question: which program did you use to create the fantastic looking rank insignia or know you some other good ways to create the smoke jaguar galaxy insignia...[[User:Neuling|Neuling]] 21:37, 3 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
:I used PhotoShop to make the images. If you don't have lots of money to pay for it, you might try Paint.NET or GimpShop.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 12:29, 4 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
::I hate to be a canonicity jerk here, but please keep in mind that re-creating rank insignia or other imagery by oneself constitutes fan work, i.e. non-canon, and must be marked as such. Technically, only images taken from an official website (namely CBT.com) or photocopies/photographs of existing canonical material can be considered canonical for the purpose of BTW. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 14:02, 4 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::You're not being a jerk, you're advising us. There's a difference.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 14:19, 4 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Hi, Mbear,<br />
I've never contributed to BattleTech Wiki before but I was wondering about perhaps doing so. I've actually had about a dozen BattleTech articles published over the years in magazines like BattleTechnology and MechForce Quarterly. I am also the original creator for the non-jump capable WarShips called Monitors.<br />
What I am interested in doing is submitting a wiki for a mercenary unit that I created and was featured in several of the articles published in Battletechnology and MechForce Quarterly. The unit is called TekTeam Technical Services and is essentially a unit of mercenary technicians that sell their services to the highest bidder, travels in a modified Mule class DropShip set up as a mobile repair base and is supported by a small security force.<br />
Would it be have to be published in the non-canon units section, or because it was published in the 'official' magazines for BattleTech at that time, would you consider the unit at least quasi-'canon'? <br />
I would probably need some assistance in figuring out how to use your templates for an article on TekTeam Technical Services as well. Thanks.</div>71.74.86.252https://www.sarna.net/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Revanche&diff=155569User talk:Revanche2011-01-05T00:01:54Z<p>71.74.86.252: /* Question */</p>
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== Question ==<br />
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Hey Rev - Wanted to know when the '''Superior Article Awards''' would go up. Thanks! [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 08:11, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I try to put one out every month, and I still 'owe' one for July, so Superior Article' should go live in September (hopefully at the beginning). --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 11:12, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
:: Thanks! [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 07:11, 10 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Article Review : Ninyu Kerai Indrahar ==<br />
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Rev - Whenever you get a chance to give him a look-see. :) [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 07:12, 10 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: CW, I DO want to read the article, but life has been busier than anticipated this summer (I had truly thought my being away from the family for the summer was going to open up plenty of hours to do my ''own'' writing here). I'm not ignoring it. Hopefully, I'll be back in some regular capacity in the next few days. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 12:44, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
:: NP. Hope life settles down. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 18:04, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Clan Space Maps ==<br />
Hi Rev, hope you feeling better. Been while since i spoke with you. I have question/request. I have been recently doving into my files that could help update the Clan planet data. I've noticed some of the planets have maps. Is there way to lighten up the picture little? The black circle around the partical planet, like [[Albion]] is bit dark. Sorry to bother you. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 17:44, 16 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I definitely agree with you. And clicking on the larger image is only marginally better. Unfortunately, I have no PS skills and I'd be doubtful that image could be cleaned up by much. Without saying too much, I do believe we may be getting a new mapping source within a few months. Cross your fingers. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 12:45, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Alrighty, I can ask around among newer people if they could assist. Some provided enhancement to recent Operation: Ice Storm page, so it could be something the person can look in to until you find something. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 03:47, 18 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Possible Problems with Sarna==<br />
Hi, Rev. I wanted report possible malware, but i don't want to sound like an alarmist. I left e-mail to Nicj as well, but until i started blocking it the ware was trying connect. What it is that when i was editing Sarna page. My browser was trying to connect to a weird website. This was from two differient computers. (http://contenlinks.netseer.com) Other Network computer i was using, the ones i have are old and dated so their slow. I clean out my cache as much as i can used virual scanners try get at what was reporting it. However, it wasn't until i wrote down the website used browser block sites option turn on. So I've blocked this website with my browsers. However, i'm wanted warn someone that there could possibly be something embedded in the Sarna's software reporting what were doing. {{unsigned|Wrangler|23 July 2010}}<br />
:You're 100% certain that it was only when you were on Sarna? This didn't happen on any other websites? I understand you used a virus scanner on your computers, but maybe it's something new that they don't know to scan for? The link you provided is dead, so I can't imagine it's purpose. --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 22:56, 23 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Well, It was on two seperate computers not related to each other. It only happened notice it when i was editing the wiki-page. No other place seem i was accessing it wIt looks like its reporting on what i was typing. I've successfully blocked it using my IE browser blocking site function. I work at third location i access the site is part of a network and its has mighty Network protection so its not happening there. Way to tell its doing it, is the stupid malware keep trying access the site i described above during editing of webpage. I believe i won't not noticed it if wasn't for fact i have crappy connection or i won't not have noticed it. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 13:50, 26 July 2010 (UTC) <br />
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== Attack of the 'Bots? Related to above ==<br />
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I see about 20 "new users" that suddenly have their talk page with the standard "Welcome" from Rev. No histories besides Rev's banner. They look like Bot programs to me. This may be related to the issue above. Thoughts? [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 02:25, 26 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Did you check their contributions? <br />
:When I'm active on a daily basis, I try and welcome new IPs. But, when I'm gone for a while, I go back and hit the ones that got missed by everyone, just in case someone new comes back and likes to see they've been acknowledged. So, yeah, it was me that posted those and they had all made contributions within the last 25 days or so. <br />
:As for the above problem, I'm not at all convinced it is not redirection software that beat Wrangler's anti-virus efforts. So far, he's the only person that reported those incidents. I think Scaletail's response pretty much summed it up. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 11:42, 26 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Well, when I checked, it looked like none of them had any contributions. Maybe I looked in the wrong place? It looked weird, about 20 accounts in a row, all just IPs, all with your "Welcome" update. If its no big deal, then no matter. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 19:11, 26 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
::I don't think the bots have anything to do what my problem was. I hope was just my broweser. I just thought strange, i did extensive viral scans before it came up. My computer connections are crap at two locations, so i noticed something uploading while i was editing wiki-pages on sarna. I don't think anyone would noticed, but a quick loading while editing. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 13:50, 26 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::I'm pretty tight with my ZoneAlarm, and I haven't had similar problems. I might have suggested it was with the Google ads Nic subcribes to, but since I know you're logged in, that wouldn't be it. I'd be suspicious of that explanation, anyhow. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 14:42, 26 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::I'm currently on the Network, so my issues with malware isn't apparent. Its in the Easter Evening hours is when i'm on lesser capable computers. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 17:40, 26 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Speaking of Vandalism, Lemur, newly created user just did some advertisment vandalism to [[Essay: Combat DropShips 101]]. Is there a place where you would log vandalism? -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 18:01, 26 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Probably just the Ask the Admin page. However, thanks for reverting it. Mbear took care of our cheap advertiser. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 03:12, 4 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Thomas Hogarth article deletion==<br />
Hi Rev, I need to voice my opinion here: I feel uncomfortable about how you deleted the article and placed a veiled vandalism accusation on the IP's talk page. I saw the article and noted it down for further reference as it needed a rework; I definitely agree that it wasn't up to BTW standards. But instead of vandalism I felt the article had a tongue-in-cheek attitude and should have been moved (to a normal spelling) and edited to comply with our established format. Deleting it, I feel, was over the top. We've really seen worse articles here from contributors who went on to become valuable members of the BTW community. Oh, and we certainly ''do'' need an article about Thomas Hogarth here, seeing how he evolved into a fan meme - he's definitely important to the present-day BT community. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 12:35, 2 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Frabby - for my own 2 cents - I can see it either way. It was obviously no minor cleanup job. Literally, you'd have to rewrite the entire thing. I'm all for properly encouraging new editors, but under those circumstances, I question the value of leaving it up. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 13:46, 2 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Frabby, I didn't see any attempt to add value. The article clearly (to me) was not intended to be informative. The writer did show writing skill, so it seemed like an advance form of graffiti. I acknowledge I came close to going overboard and writing a little rant, but I reined myself in and went with a template. I didn't think it was worthy of a lvl 1 (i.e., a first timer's wiki test masquerading as vandalism), but didn't think it needed the both barrels of a level 3 warning. <br />
:As for deleting it, I would not want it to be repeated with other articles we are 'missing' on notable subjects, and was concerned that keeping it just suggested acceptance of such attempts at editorial humor. I also felt the cleanup tag, especially in light of no description of what needed cleaning, only suggested it was not up to the formatting, referencing and similar other issues other so-tagged articles have. It needed to be cleaned up immediately, if it were to be kept or at the least have a step-by-step description of what needed to be fixed and added. As there was no <nowiki>{{inuse}}</nowiki> tag placed, I felt it was abandoned by all, would serve as a signpost towards the wrong direction and I knew I could not take the time to write an article of any value to replace it myself. <br />
:I respectfully think we may just have to agree to disagree, Frabby. However, I will consider bringing your attention to such similar...acts in the future, to allow you to address the problem. Good cop, bad cop. ;-) --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 03:22, 4 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Yeah, I can see where you were coming from. Mind you, it felt like an overreaction at first glance and that was the gut feeling I went by because I feared it would leave a bad impression of BTW for a first-time editor. In the end, shame on BTW for not having an article on TH earlier, before someone went and created one.<br />
::Incidentially, it seems the fist "draft" of the article was a simple copy & paste of the first answer/second post in [http://www.classicbattletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=70456.0 this tread] of the CBT forum. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 20:40, 4 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Clan Wolverine ==<br />
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The [[Clan Wolverine]] article history said that it was imported in December 2006, but it wasn't imported from Wikipedia. Where did it come from? --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 23:03, 3 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
:It says [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clans_%28BattleTech%29 Clans (BattleTech)]. But maybe I'm missing your point? --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 03:05, 4 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Nope. I just missed it. I saw that the text wasn't original and didn't see that the proper template had already been applied. --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 23:38, 4 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
::: Question : On a related note, how much editing do we need to do to an article before we can drop the wikipedia tag? [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 01:17, 5 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::: I don't see why it should be dropped. --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 01:28, 5 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::: Agree. The link to the original article will demonstrate how the article has changed from the original and, frankly, forked from the equivalent WP article. Its just a way of covering our bases, to show we aren't re-creating and depending whole-cloth on articles from other sources, but using them only from which to develop ourselves. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 13:46, 5 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::: Oh, if you like. Personally, I prefer to rewrite them and then purge the wikipedia tags to show we're not depending on that for our stuff. After all, should any credible encyclopedia rely on information anyone can edit? ;) [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 06:05, 7 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::: ... ... <_< >_> x_x --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 16:36, 7 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Michi Noketsuna ==<br />
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[[Michi Noketsuna]] is up. More red-links, perhaps, then would be ideal, but I feel they're all relevant. Personally, I think this is my best effort thus far, but as always I welcome feedback. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 04:32, 7 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Problems with source articles for Manufactures ==<br />
Hello Rev, i've got this article [[Aerospace Plant CM-T72673]], which basicly is basing its existing on fluff i can't find. TRO: 3055 Update & Revised do not support that this factory even exists or that this clan produces it on this world. Doneve produced this article, but i'm not sure if he was rushing or using a differient language TRO that say something differient. I have the PDF both original and Update TROs. He citing the revised and update. The Update doesn't say the aircraft are remotely related to Fire Mandrill, other one of fighter uses the ship. Jagatai is a old Clan Wolf fighter, which they continue to be exclusive producers of it on Eden. Other fighter is Ghost Bear fighter thats build by various folks, but Upgrade TRO does not name factory itself or where. I've run into this another clan related manufacturing plant, Doneve written. I have problems communicating with him, can you talk to him about this? -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 15:29, 18 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Hi Rev, i spoke with Doneve. He apparently used [[Objective Raids: 3067]] as his source for his clan manufacturing listings. He said i can edit what i have to out of them. I'm going have go through all those manufacturing articles, he made for the Clans see what actual has a source or note. *sigh* -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 19:32, 18 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Still working on problem, side tracked by projects i'm working -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 01:08, 13 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Welcome Back!==<br />
Hi Rev, was wondering how you were doing. Nice see you on the board again. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 01:08, 13 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Nice to see you back :).--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 08:22, 13 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Indeed. Good to hear from you again! :) [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 09:44, 13 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Thanks, all. I'm still really busy and 'recovering' from a series of home technology failures. I also hope to find my notes on ''[[Jihad Turning Points: Luthien]]'' I left off so many months ago; a lot of good material there to add. I ''really'' want to start writing again. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 11:41, 13 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Welcome back!--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 13:03, 25 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Talk==<br />
Hy Rev, i know you left us a little time, what is your mention about my Garrisoning Military Force Project on the Planet Pages, i hope you like it ;O..., i want to start in the next future my work in progress project, to bring all Planetary project up to date with owner history, new corrected planet images with help full fluff by [[Oystein Tvedten]] works, NicJ make a little bit mess about coordinates etc. etc...i am in work, before i started i poste a example to you and Frabby (our planet honk);=, then again nice to see you back. Greetings --[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 19:55, 13 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Hey, Doneve. No slight on your efforts, but I'm still a bit of a hit & run admin right now. I DO want to review it, but don't yet have the time. Example: I used to be able to write myself while at work; now I pull 10-hour days. Keep charging, though! --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 23:48, 26 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Strange Users Names==<br />
Hi Rev, couple of strange user names just got generated. Is there thing we can tell if their bots? The names are; Oxebydy & Uxewynefowi. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 22:50, 26 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:No way that I'm aware of. It is usually an attempt to see if the registration process is defeat-able (it is, of course) and to hide spam attempts, since the person is registered. Best idea, when you're spam patrolling, is keep an eye out for edits made by strangely-named accounts and take action then. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 23:49, 26 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Looks a Spam poster just did just that after i logged off. Doneve blanked the page. I've moved to have it deleted. I'm not sure what template i'm suppose to use for a random act of spamming. The person may not come back. Their name is Tz6524199 -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 10:47, 27 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::I check BTW almost daily for Spammers. When I see one, here's what I do: Block the SpamBot, delete user page & user talk page, and delete/revert any edits he made. I don't think it is neccessary to wipe their edits or insert deletion tags; I'd prefer if these articles would not be edited at all prior to deletion (I'm not a programming geek at all, but I think the spammed pages may be monitored for traffic and editing them probably just makes them more interesting for a spambot machine). [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 11:12, 27 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Tnx and I need your opinion==<br />
1st Tnx for the evidence for the danger of the delation of my upload.<br />
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2nd Which is the best way to show the weapons and their equivalent in the cbt without the fear of a copy => plagarism? I will show also the different ordonance type and ammunitions for the sidesarms / normal weapons. 18:54, 14 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Hey, Doneve.<br />
:Sarna places the legality of an image upon the uploader, in the sense that you take legal responsibilities for ensuring the image is being used correctly. Per the 'copyright' you've included with each image: "The individual who uploaded this work and first used it in an article, and subsequent persons who place it into articles assert that this qualifies as fair use of the material under United States copyright law." In other words, you are claiming that you are using it correctly; this supposedly keeps Sarna from taking the legal and financial burden of improper use.<br />
:If you're asking how we can best show the images (if there are no ready articles for them), I'd recommend creating a gallery of the images, ''with the name of each image displayed''. It appears you've assisted in plenty of those. These galleries serve as important showcases for available imagery for writers to use. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 19:02, 14 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Hy Rev, Neuling post this on your talk page. It was a unsigned post from him ;).--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 19:09, 14 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Ugh...yep...sorry, Doneve. Definitely would not have happened if it had been signed. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 22:39, 14 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Non-canon [images] of Terran Hegemony==<br />
Hi Rev, i'm trying fix a slight problem. Someone uploaded a non-canon [image] of the [http://cf.sarna.net/docs/mwda_dossiers/2750th.png Terran Hegemony Map]. There no label stating it is fan-made and not a product of canon source. Does anyone know what [we're] [supposed] to do about this? I've not [dealt] with a direct png image before. Usually these things have page that gives direction of the [image]. Someone thought the [image] uploaded was canon. Someone found it while trying make point about Hegemony, i think i've seen this [image] before in a non-canon FanMade PDF. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 02:37, 17 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Hey, Wrangler. <br />
:This request looks similar to one that was posted on the Admin Request page, but was placed in the 'completed' section. The 'completed' sboutnd similar problems. You'll probably want to move it up or 'close' out the problem with what I write about here.<br />
:As for your problem: in the [[Help:Template gallery|Template gallery]] you'll find a tag for non-canon products. This can be slapped onto the page for that image file. That same page will also tell you what articles make use of the picture. Remove the link to the image on each of the articles, and we'll be good to go; eventually, when the image files are reviewed for unused links, an Admin will delete it as unused (unless someone then uses it in a fanon article).<br />
:Hope this helps. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 11:34, 17 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Hi Rev, I apologize for the sloppiness. The problem is not complete. I've moved this directly correct section. The *.png [image] from what i've seen of it can not be "tagged". Its a pure [image]. I'm not that good [at] navigating the picture achives where [images] do not show up in a category form, thus [are] unsearchable, [at] least to me. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 12:28, 17 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::It's all right. Sometimes I have to fix the missing or incorrect statements in your writings so I can understand the problem (or intended statement). I often read and re-read both my works and others, to make sure I understand the intent.<br />
:::As for your response, the proper course of action would appear to remove the link from any articles it appears. Once it is not used, upkeep of images will show it is not a valued image and result in its deletion. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 18:55, 18 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Other Non-canon imagines==<br />
Hi Rev, sorry keep babbling like this, but some maps Neuling uploaded were from Columbus Cartographic Services. I realize that he became a Battletech freelancer, but i don't believe his work on website was considered canon. Should i put non-canon templates on those [images]? You can find what i'm talking about on [[:Category: Maps Gallery]]. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 02:44, 17 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Sounds like you figured out the solution before I chimed in. Wish I had read this statement before answering the first. Yep: that sounds like the right path. Just be sure to use the non-canon product tag.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 11:36, 17 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Minor Blakist Commanders==<br />
Hi Rev, how come your making articles for characters who have almost no background on them? Would it not be more ecomical to have a list of them in a single article page with their names list in row with what didbit of information on them listed besided them like how we have [[List of minor mercenary units]]? -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 20:14, 19 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I have never subscribed to the list idea, though I understand the arguments for it. I just believe there should be one standard for all similar subjects to reduce the opportunity for error or duplicated efforts. That is a primary reason we don't have a policy requiring one over the other. Also, the reason I did so in these cases is because they are a part of [[BattleTechWiki:Project Unfinished Book|Project Unfinished Book]] and since that is a page-by-page research project (vice a comprehensive subject search), there is no telling if or what new info will come available as I progress thru ''[[Jihad Turning Points: Luthien]]''. This allows UBP researchers to work off of one shared article.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 23:13, 19 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Use of Fan-made images==<br />
Hi, Rev. I had question regarding the issue with Neuling about his images posted. Some of them i believe he produced (example File:Operation rat.png), but he did not originally add imagine summary. He has this particular imagine in the [[Fourth Succession War]] article. Should the fan-made imagine be used? I've slap a fanom template on it so people know this is fan-made. However, question remains should it be used in canon article. In past, i've worked with Neuling colorize a canon pictures show border differiences. I've noted those pictures were modified. However, with recent events i'm wondering where this fall under the policy. I am torn, since i'm not sure the fanom template would be properate for modified canon images. Their useful show stuff that wasn't highlighted by original company, but i'm not sure what should be done about it. At moment, i've left the above mentioned operation rat.png in place, with fanom template on it. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 23:51, 22 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I've gotta ask: why do you keep writing "imagines" instead of "images"?<br />
:Also, why do you think they are fan-produced? Did Neuling say he made them?--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 00:04, 23 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
::(sigh) I'm sorry, its a grammer-blind habit i have of misspelling things okay? Images he produced has no source. I have extensive collection of Battletech material, including the maps. I've not seen a modern imagine quite like that one, he has for Operation Rat. If its a canon image, from some obscure Battlecorp release or something, he needs clarifed the source of it. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 00:21, 23 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Can you please provide the link where he and you discussed this? I want to understand the context of his response before I decide on a course of action. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 00:24, 23 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::[[:File:Operation rat.png]] -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 01:41, 23 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::Wrangler: talk with Neuling about this. '''If''' he says its official, get the details and correct it. '''If''' he says its modified (other than cropped), remind him once again that non-official material has no place in official articles (I'm this close to calling for the ban of all fanon materials with a mass deletion). '''If''' he doesn't respond to you (within a reasonable amount of time), remove the image from the article and mark it for deletion review. Hope that helps. (Back to writing my own stuff now.)--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 02:15, 23 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::Hi Rev. He hasn't responded to any my inquiries about the png yet. He just posted new page about [[Clan Territory Wars]] [[:File:Clanhomeworlds.png]]. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 19:37, 24 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Ok, I'm on it.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 20:26, 24 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::::Sorry for the delay. I searched and think about the png a lot of but I doesn't find my original source. Bad for me I know. I will find another canon map of the homeworld. --[[User:Neuling|Neuling]] 21:13, 24 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::There are plenty of official ones that can be found in the official products.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 23:49, 24 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Martial arts + organized crime==<br />
I know it is strange first I doesn't reponded to your messages and now I call for support. Please forgive my. Now to my projects. 1st I find it interesting to read about martial arts in Classicbattletech Companion, but where it this stuff is best posted. The same with criminal organization. Any response is welcome. [[User:Neuling|Neuling]] 21:13, 24 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
I think its probably fine to post articles titled after the subject you want to report about. However, make sure the material is focused on the BattleTech sources (such as ''[[Classic BattleTech Companion]]''), rather than on real-world sources (like Wikipedia).--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 23:49, 24 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Tnx for your quick response. I used only the matertial from ''[[Classic BattleTech Companion]]'' which is very detailed. Under which category is it best posted.<br />
There are a lot to choose from at [[Special:Categories]], so look there first. If we don't have crime or martial arts ones, then use [[:Category:Miscellaneous]].--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 08:55, 25 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Awards Project==<br />
Holla Rev, i hope allways is fine with you, ähm i have a question about your wiki awards project, you work on it ??, you have lay down it??, or you have not the time to finish it, ok i know reall life is busy, i like the project and i hope you keep it up in next time. Greetings--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 23:40, 3 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Question==<br />
Hello Rev, i Hope you New Years was good to you. I had question regarding Mechs that are partially under the moratorium. I recently added the [[Peacekeeper]] to the Sarna. TRO 3085 is not longer under the moratorium, but its record sheet unabridge pdf is. Is the bibliography not allow to show upcoming and connected materials in a article? I did not (not come out yet.) added anything from that source, only listing as a part of bilo. Does this mean it must be on hold until all the related materials comes out of the mortatorium? -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 23:13, 4 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Hi Rev, i jump in, i put the talk from Wrangler to Me in the discussion, to give you howe is the goal for it.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 23:27, 4 January 2011 (UTC) <br />
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Hi Doneve. I am confused why you removed the RS:3085 Cutting the Edge wikilink from article. There was no information in the article violate the moratorium period. I don't believe mentioning the Record Sheet book would break moratorium if listed in the bibliography. --[[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] <br />
: I think, we don't put publications as biblio link, there have not the moratorium expired, some people where confused about this, it is my mention, but it is a good goal to start a discussion about this, thanks.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]]<br />
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Hy Rev, i think we don't put linked sources to an article there can have no content from the source, then the source falls under the moratorium, [NO CONTENT] no link in the bibliography section, thanks.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 23:50, 4 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Hello, Rev.<br />
I've never contributed to BattleTech Wiki before but I was wondering about perhaps doing so. I've actually had about a dozen BattleTech articles published over the years in magazines like BattleTechnology and MechForce Quarterly. I am also the original creator for the non-jump capable WarShips called Monitors.<br />
What I am interested in doing is submitting a wiki for a mercenary unit that I created and was featured in several of the articles published in Battletechnology and MechForce Quarterly. The unit is called TekTeam Technical Services and is essentially a unit of mercenary technicians that sell their services to the highest bidder, travels in a modified Mule class DropShip set up as a mobile repair base and is supported by a small security force.<br />
Would it be have to be published in the non-canon units section, or because it was published in the 'official' magazines for BattleTech at that time, would you consider the unit at least quasi-'canon'? <br />
I would probably need some assistance in figuring out how to use your templates for an article on TekTeam Technical Services as well. Thanks.</div>71.74.86.252