Talk:Katherine Steiner-Davion

Legacy section[edit]

Will9761 edits: I'm not sure that they add to the article, as they restate most of the previous information. I may have some issues with the "completely neutral" idea of articles (I believe some unique cultural words or flavor can be added without affecting the impartial stance of the article), but will9761's edits seem too far biased. I don't want to unilaterally revert and I also don't know if others agree. Ocherstone (talk) 11:24, 14 December 2023 (EST)

I was actually thinking exactly the same thing, but I was not sure if I was being harsh so did not roll it back. I have now rolled it back because if I am honest, Legacy sections in character articles are something I am yet to find a single worthwhile example of.--Dmon (talk) 11:34, 14 December 2023 (EST)
How are my edits too bias, I might ask? Was she not responsible for the creation of the Lyran Alliance? Not to mention that various sources stated that she did kill members of her own family. Katherine did use manipulation and assassination to keep power. I also added her life after Clan Wolf to show how here influence went their as well. I'm not writing her legacy out as an evil person based on my own personal views, but talking about her actions both in the Lyran Alliance and Clan Wolf as a whole. After all, as any important character is made, talking about their legacies is important. - Will9761
I am not going to argue that she was not a horrible person, but calling her a madwoman might not be strictly objective. Regardless, my main issue is more with the nature of the Legacy section itself. To me it essentially rounds up her actions and says "her son would also do stuff as well" I just don't feel it brings anything to the article, the information about her actions during her life belong within the section about her life, not a legacy section.--Dmon (talk) 17:36, 16 December 2023 (EST)
Thanks for letting me know, I can see that calling her a madwoman was laying it on too thick. Admittedly I couldn't think of an opening sentence to talk about her reputation. I honestly though it was removed due to wording or lack of citations. But, when I do write about a character's legacy, I never do it out of my own personal opinion, but from their actions and how one could see them. It's not, "This person is bad because I say so!", but instead, "This person actions, has tainted them to their reputation because of this and that and here is why." - Will9761
If it is their actions, then it can be put in the main body. If it is how their actions affected the universe, that can be in the main body. If it is a (subjective) moral judgment of them, then it's an editorial. Which I don't think belong in the main page of the character. I was able to put each citation into the main body, which I believe backs up my claim that the removed section contains no new information, only descriptions of her that contained subjective words of her actions. Ocherstone (talk) 18:20, 16 December 2023 (EST)
I would say that as a writer, these Legacy sections are worthwhile for us and I didn't see anything objectionable in what had been put. I'd submit they should stay. --Swankmotron (talk) 19:39, 16 December 2023 (EST)