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Chassis, and HatamotoEdit

Scaletail reverted an edit that pointed out the Thug's chassis was re-used for the Hatamoto-Chi. While it is true that the Hatamoto-Chi was based off the Charger (and not the Thug), the editor correctly pointed out that they both use the Earthwerks VOL Endo Steel chassis. I had not even realized that before. I think pointing out this peculiar fact in the article is okay, personally. Frabby 18:10, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

That's not at all what I took away from it. I think putting that information in a section called "related BattleMechs" is confusing. Although there are similarities, the Hatamoto is based on the Charger, not the Thug. Saying that they use the same chassis is fine, but to state that the Thug "served as the basis for the Hatamoto-class of Draconis Combine assault BattleMechs" is not strictly accurate because, at the least, there were multiple sources of inspiration. I reverted my edits on both pages, but I don't think it should stand as is, either. Sources would be good, too. --Scaletail 20:02, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
I can't get the source right now (I am waiting in my girlfriend's research lab), but if memory serves me correctly, TRO:3050 (original, not revised or upgrade) or one of the other early Clan-invasion sources said essentially that the chassis and weaponry of the Thug and the Hatamoto-Chi were related. The relationship stems from a few Thug BattleMechs given to the Draconis Combine by Comstar in preparation for the War of 3039. The chassis and weaponry were virtually copied, but the armor was altered to change the profile of the Hatamoto to resemble the Charger. Of course, I might be remembering this all wrong, and ultimately, the writers have clearly written the more recent fluff to emphasize the link between the Charger and the Hatamoto.--S.gage 04:40, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
I seriously disagree with many of the Related Battlemech sections on BTW, too many vague links at best, but in this case they are related a little. Technical Readout: 3039 and Technical Readout: 3050 Upgrade indeed retcon that the Combine attempted replicate Thug using the shunned Charger as the base while the older TRO:3050s just mentioned the Charger II link, but even the continually mention it uses the Chargers chassis and to quote directly from TRO:3039 - "Rather than convert an assembly line to produce an all-new chassis, the engineers adopted the Thug’s weaponry to the otherwise shunned Charger". Cyc 08:06, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
Little Confused... Do the Charger and Thug share the same Chassis Brand Name? At least TRO3039 shows that they are aware of the misconception and wanting to firmly place it as Weapons Thug => Hatamoto while Chassis was Charger => Hatamoto --Cameron 16:37, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
Even in the event that the Chassis Brand Name is the same, it would only mean that the materiels mix that went into both Chassis were the same, not that the structural shape is the same, the shape what matters, and that is from the Charger.--Cameron 14:09, 26 April 2011 (UTC)