Talk:Yen-Lo-Wang

Merge Proposal

I propose that this article be merged into Centurion (BattleMech). The article is extremely short and the categories it purports to be a part of is unlikely to hold more than half a dozen articles. --Scaletail 09:55, 10 May 2009 (PDT)

I'd suggest expanding the article then, rather than merging it. We've got a category for it so we might as well make use of it. Onisuzume 02:54, 11 May 2009 (PDT)

I agree that expansion of the existing article is preferable to merging with the main Centurion article. There are at least three distinct weapon sets that this mech has had over the course of it's career and this page would give us room to talk about them. We just need to find some decent sources that tell us what the loadouts were. Kittle 03:56, 11 May 2009 (PDT)

Okay, suiting actions to words, I've had a look around for sources on weapons loadouts. This wiki and also http://www.classicbattletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=1732.0 give Justin Xiang Allard's original loadout as being 2 Med lasers, AC20 and claws or hatchet depending on what rules you're using.

http://www.encyclopedia-battletech.net/ lists Kai Allard-Liao's variant having a Gauss rifle and three med pulse lasers, switching up to clan variants of each after Jaime Wolf offered him the Daishi.

http://www.wizkidsgames.com/mwdarkage/documents/MW_CA_142.pdf is a short document with details of Danai Liao-Centrella's variant of Yen Lo Wang, with a heavy large laser and LRM20 with Artemis IV, along with the hatchet and shield displayed on the model and mentioned in the fluff.

I've found info but someone else will have to put it together. I'm not in a place to put it together coherently right now. Kittle 04:56, 11 May 2009 (PDT)

Is there evidence Clan tech variant? In Stackpole novel Blood Legacy, Hanse Davion had Yen-Lo-Wang refitted, not Jamie Wolf. It was refitted on Outreach, but this counted with evidence to support this least novel wise. I have re-read the novel to double check, refit is detailed on pages 185-186 in 3052. I do not have extensive library of info on old FASA record sheets. I haven't never seen Clan tech modified version of the mech until Danai Liao-Centrella equipt it with the Heavy Large Laser. I also do support this article being expanded. -- Wrangler 14:18, 11 May 2009 (PDT)

My bad. It's been years since I read the book so I didn't remember. I assumed Jaime Wolf was the one who upgraded it as he'd also offered Kai clan tech in the form of the Dashi. The only records of Kai's variants I found were from that german encyclopedia-battletech site I linked to. Outside of TROs and Record sheets I don't have a great collection of source books myself. There's a reason I didn't want to write the article. :p Kittle 18:31, 11 May 2009 (PDT)

Right, I've updated the page to reflect that. Btw, are there more of those "unique" 'Mechs? The Widowmaker perhaps? Onisuzume 01:46, 12 May 2009 (PDT)

On the subject of the article, I think it was Justin who first upgraded YLW with the pulse lasers and gauss rifle, as a gift to his son on graduation (again, it's been years since I read the relevent novel, so I'm a bit unsure on that) and Hanse who later upgraded it with clan tech. On the subject of other unique mechs, I can currently only think of unique variants of omni mechs, rather than standard mechs. Although the two frankenmechs from the Unbound campaign would probably count too. Kittle 02:38, 12 May 2009 (PDT)

Right, could someone please verify that? I tend to avoid having to read(and buy) novels if I can help it. Also, the CGR-SB Challenger is technically a unique variant as well.
Furthermore, do we want an infobox in this article? And if so, of which variant? Onisuzume 04:32, 12 May 2009 (PDT)

A bit late to the party here, but there is some evidence of Clantech on YLW. Firstly, YLW was not upgraded until the Outreach Conference, before that Kai was piloting YLW as modified by his father back before the 4th SW. The upgrade, stated in the novel included the Gauss Rifle, TSM, Pulse Lasers, etc. Most interestingly though, an extra three heat sinks are explicitly mentioned as having been added into the arm that could be switched on or off to all heat buildup to strengthen the TSM. In the canon YLW design, these three heat sinks are absent, as there is no tonnage for them... at least, if you're using an Inner Sphere Gauss Rifle. If you swap the Gauss Rifle over to a Clan one, suddenly three tons are freed up that can used to add those stated heat sinks without any other manipulation of the canon design. To me that seems to indicate that, minimally, a Clantech Gauss Rifle was used in the refit, but there is no other evidence of other Clantech being used. --Peregry 03:26, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sold. Very little of that is not already on Centurion (BattleMech)#Notable Pilots. I would rather have this article redirect there. This article is certainly has the most information available for any individual 'Mech, and even then I don't think it's enough. I don't like the precedent it sets because no other article on and individual 'Mech will be as extensive as this one. What information that is not on that article can be covered here? --Scaletail 17:34, 12 May 2009 (PDT)

Well, to begin with, this article can be far more in-depth about the YLW than the Centurion article can be. A more detailed story of where it was used, etc. Onisuzume 02:12, 13 May 2009 (PDT)

Yen-Lo-Wang is probably the most famous single 'Mech in the game. It's almost a character in of itself. Heck, it was significant in the Blood of Kerensky series and significant in Principles of Desolation, 85 years later! I believe it should be the exception to rule, as I can't think of another 'Mech worth its own entry. --Ebakunin 10:27, 24 June 2009 (PDT)

I agree, the article should not be merged. Not telling if more tales will come out for this 'Mech. Also it should be there are other individual mechs out there as well that played important roles in Battletech history. Including Kenensky's & Theodore Kurita's Orion, and Victor's "Prometheus" Daishi. -- Wrangler 10:55, 24 June 2009 (PDT)

I am against the merge idea. I think Yen-Lo-Wang and even "Legendkiller" deserce there own articles. --Dmon 17:21, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

I've read extensively about Legendkiller in the Warrior series. The 'Mech is mentioned in TROs and Mercenary Manual. Thing is that the Legendkiller has nothing unique about. Other than it was used by Gray Noton to his championship and briefly by Justin Allard is plain Rifleman RFN-3N. Canon Rumor does have it being a Rifleman II Noton found. It has not appear often enough to make it stand out in my mind. If someone find something better or complelling enrich it more, then it would make nice unique BattleMech article. -- Wrangler 11:24, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Revisited

I'd like to revisit some of the issues brought up. For the record, I am against the merge idea. Yen-Lo-Wang holds a VERY distinct place in the canon. It is named, unlike Natasha's Warhammer, and it was famously used by different pilots in different eras, unlike Victor's Prometheus/Daishi. Someone mentioned Nataha's Widowmaker Dire Wolf - she only used it for six years in a career that spanned seven decades. If someone feels another mech is in such a category, then by all means, let's hear it. So my question : Does anyone know of a canon record sheet of Kai's refitted mech? With the Gauss Rifle and the Medium Pulse Lasers? ClanWolverine101

Hoolla user:ClanWolverine101, i think it gives not a refitet sheet of the Yen-Lo-Wang, i know off one refit on the novel, i give you in next time the ref.GreetingsDoneve 17:36, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

See comment above on Kai's YLW refit. --Peregry 03:26, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Nails/Claw/Hatchet

The fiction specifically describes the original Yen-Lo-Wang as having titanium nails on the left hand. It was depicted this way in the CCG. There never have been rules written specifically for this but I remember text somewhere saying to treat them as a hatchet (unknown if it was canon). I also remember seeing it listed as a Claw in at least one source, and the image on the cover of Mappack: Solaris VII goes along with this. All current record sheets have a Hatchet in the left arm. I can't help but think the Dark Age variant carries and actual hatchet because someone looked at the record sheets without reading the novels. Anyway... can we note this in the armaments section somehow? The nails were an important symbol in the novels/fluff and I feel this article should reflect that.--Cache (talk) 13:39, 6 September 2015 (PDT)

Its possible the hatchet is the stats stand-in for the claws, much like the Clanbuster Black Knight's pre-sword rules "sword shaped" hatchet. Cyc (talk) 14:46, 6 September 2015 (PDT)

Problem is there that the canon record sheets that the original Yen-Lo-Wang has stat wise has the hatchet. I've asked the question about the original's stats before RS: 3039 Unabridged was released. They've stated that the nails are considered hatchet. I'll re-read Record Sheets: 3039, shows the nails are a hatchet now. I suspect the reason wise it's not claws is because it would be advanced technology. That's a guess. -- Wrangler (talk) 17:15, 6 September 2015 (PDT)

I agree with Cyc that the hatchet is a stats stand-in for the nails/claws. I didn't mean to infer that they should be claws stats-wise, just that it would be good to point out the visuals: They are nails and not an actual hatchet.--Cache (talk) 17:24, 6 September 2015 (PDT)

No worries, I'm little literal at times. I've add info in the Notes section that the hatchet were a substitute for the nails described in the novel. -- Wrangler (talk) 17:26, 6 September 2015 (PDT)

I've taken the liberty to reword this for clarity, and put it into a footnote. Can anyone point me to a canonical record sheet that had a Claw on the Yen-Lo-Wang, or was it always only a hatchet? Frabby (talk) 01:41, 7 September 2015 (PDT)

I like the way the article was reworded, but I removed the 'MechWarrior names from the image description, both gallery and image itself. That definitely isn't a Griffin piloted by Armstrong, it's a Reseen Wolverine of Silver Dragon Stables. I will double-check the Mappack book to see if there is any reference to a duel between Justin or Kai and a Wolverine pilot. The Reseen image would have been used as a proxy for the Unseen, as Kai was no longer on Solaris when the Reseen models were released. I couldn't find anything yet on the Claw. I want to check my copy of some MFUK pubs to see if the reference was there, and thus non-canon.--Cache (talk) 09:27, 7 September 2015 (PDT)

Startup sequence

Lethal Heritage, year 3049 Startup sequence is activated by pressing a glowing yellow button after putting on a Neuro Helmet and then passing a voice print test. "I am Yen Lo Wang. Who presents himself to the King of the Nine Hells?" "I am Kai Allard Liao." "Voice-print pattern match obtained. Authorization confirmed."