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Leftover To-do List

Ships to Write Up

Awards Log

Rev used to keep a log of awards given throughout the year to use as a reference when it comes to the Founders Awards each year - not that I'm all modly, I suppose it'd be a sensible idea to do the same thing.

20-Feb-2014 All Purpose Award (I) - Aldous - St. Ives
27-Feb-2014 All Purpose Award (I) - Panzergraf - Adding to individual ship articles
27-Feb-2014 Random Act of Appreciation (I) - Silverwolfsigil - First dozen spelling fixes
28-Feb-2014 Casual Edit Award (I) - BobTheZombie
24-Mar-2014 Assistance Appreciated Award (III) - BobTheZombie - tracking clarifications from TPTB
03-Apr-2104 Casual Edit Award (I) - Kharim - Avatar edit
16-Jun-2014 All Purpose Award (VI) - Cyc - Policing article change
22-Aug-2014 Helping Hand Award (I) - Doneve
10-Sep-2014 Vandal Cop Award (I) - BobTheZombie - spambot
08-Nov-2104 Image Import Award (I) - Cache - updated unit images

Planets/systems that need updates

BrokenMnemonic,

There are only a couple planets that need updates from a single source, so I've also included some systems that need updates from two sources. Hope that's OK.

A Time of War 
Ovan
A Time of War Companion 
Karachi
Historical Wars of the Republic Era 
Irece, Itabaiana, Menke, Trondheim (FRR), Victoria (CC), Zanzibar
Historical Operation Klondike
Arcadia (Clan), Babylon, Circe, Dagda (Clan), Eden
Historical Liberation of Terra 1 
Apollo (planet), Odessa (also ISP3:Interstellar Expeditions)
Historical Liberation of Terra 2 
Capolla, Fletcher, Saffel, Small World
Necromo Nightmare
Necromo
Total Chaos 
Tharkad, New Earth
Historical War of 3039 
Sadalbari
The Star League 
Zebebelgenubi
OTP REVIVAL Trials 
Foster, Hoard, Homer (Clan), Marshall

Is that enough or do you want some more?--Mbear(talk) 05:42, 9 December 2014 (PST)

Also the Rasalhague (Leviathan) and Winds of Heaven needs a Wars of Republic Era update. Single source! Yay!--Mbear(talk) 05:45, 9 December 2014 (PST)

Thanks for the list - I'll make a start when I've finished the DARW(3130) updates for Dieron and Epsilon Eridani. I'm not going near the Op KLONDIKE updates though - those are basically half of Historical: Op KLONDIKE, and I really don't enjoy reading or writing about the Clans enough to put myself through that... BrokenMnemonic (talk) 06:55, 9 December 2014 (PST)
I found a lot more, but i dont want to overhelm you with this now, but later hmmm :).--Doneve (talk) 12:38, 14 December 2014 (PST)
Uh-oh - how worried should I be? I'm hoping to start rolling out the new planet article template in the new year, and I can see that taking a fair while. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 12:57, 14 December 2014 (PST)
Iam on fire how to see the new planets template, my sarna edits go in the new year only to planet and manufacturing center pages, but when i have a eye catcher i will do to fix it or soms or ect. --Doneve (talk) 16:34, 14 December 2014 (PST)

Nearby System Table

Hi BM, from which source you added the Nearby Systems. I had in the past a list from Volt, i lost the document and Volt had deleted the document.--Doneve (talk) 01:44, 26 December 2014 (PST)01:42, 26 December 2014 (PST) Hi Doneve,
I'm using a copy of Volt's distances spreadsheet dated the 7th of March 2012 - is that the version you were using? BrokenMnemonic (talk) 02:48, 26 December 2014 (PST)

I got only the System database spreadsheet, not the distances (lost), can you share the distances sheet for me, thanks.--Doneve (talk) 02:53, 26 December 2014 (PST)
How you extrapolate the nearby system distances, from the main name (example: Zvolen).--Doneve (talk) 03:06, 26 December 2014 (PST)
I've uploaded a copy of the spreadsheet here: http://www.mediafire.com/view/p9d1q19qd2av791/distances.xls - It's got all the distances calculated in it already, you just need to sort the table by the planet you're working on. It's very handy, but it's also about 160Mb in size because of the amount of data in there. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 03:20, 26 December 2014 (PST)
Thanks, now i can help you, i go back to [A] and check the nearby system tables.--Doneve (talk) 05:38, 26 December 2014 (PST)
Thank you :) I'm plodding away slowly backwards from Z - it's not all that exciting, but it helps with rolling out the new article template if the systems tables have been updated. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 06:16, 26 December 2014 (PST)
I've just spotted that the spreadsheet isn't completely up to date - Dalmantia in the Draconis Combine is missing, which makes me wonder if some of the other SL-era DC worlds are also missing. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 11:26, 26 December 2014 (PST)
Happy holidays, kiddies! Distances Matrix The original file made use of a distance formula to measure the distance between systems, but in order to keep the file size to a minimum (88-89MB) I replaced the formulas to the final values instead, rounded off to three decimal places.-Volt (talk) 03:59, 28 December 2014 (PST)
How splendid! Just what I needed for Christmas :) I've had a quick look, and I think this has the Combine Star League era worlds in too? I do have one (tiny) problem though - I don't have the right version of MS office to run it. I've opened it in openoffice, and that truncates the number of columns at AMJ, which is Galuzzo, so I'm missing about half the worlds... is it possible to get a version for OpenOffice? BrokenMnemonic (talk) 01:10, 31 December 2014 (PST)
According to the wiki for OpenOffice here the maximum number of columns is 1,024, that would be the column for Galuzzo. The XLS version of Excel (2003 and earlier is only up to 256 columns, that would be Azha. Only the 2007 and later (XLSX) version of Excel can handle more than 256 columns. I tried splitting the matrix into four sheets of about 1000 columns each. You can try downloading the file again in about 10-15 minutes (file is currently still being uploaded on Dropbox) and see if you are able to view the remaining systems.
Alternatively, You can download the Systems By Era.xlsx file (link is on my User Page here in Sarna). On that file you can Enter the Base System on Cell E2 and then the cells on Column E will display the distance between this base system from all the 3,139 systems (including itself, which of course will be zero). The file will calculate the distances as you enter the reference system so this might be a bit slower than having all the distances printed out already, but it's a viable alternative.
Also, you will notice that some of the coordinates have changed because I used the 2764 map as the base map because it is more accurate, and I've fixed some transferring errors that I found here and there. Let me know if either of the two files work for you. Happy New Year!-Volt (talk) 06:36, 1 January 2015 (PST)
I see you start from [A], okido i go back to [Z], but before i prepare the spreadsheet to highlight only systems from 0-60 distances, what a hell of job.--Doneve (talk) 05:16, 3 January 2015 (PST)
Between that and the new article layouts, I think we're looking at a year's worth of work. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 10:02, 3 January 2015 (PST)
I could probably update the extrapolated coordinates on my free time. 20 edits a day will get the job done in about 5+ months' time. And that's only one pair of numbers' worth of editing on each page, won't take more than a minute a page-Volt (talk) 17:54, 3 January 2015 (PST)
That would definitely help, thank you - when you update the coordinates in an article, can you change the phase in the Planet Overhaul template at the top of the page to 2? That'll help us track how many articles are in each stage - I've rewritten the various project phases so that we can make some progress, rather than being stuck at phase 0 for another few years before jumping straight to phase 6... BrokenMnemonic (talk) 01:39, 4 January 2015 (PST)

Issues

Yo its a lot to do. But i look on the template and have some issus, i think we are go step by step. At first how we manage the infobox, as example some sections from the infobox like notable rulers, moons, or geographic's like capital citys etc. can we add on the article sections (you do this) but need we this in the infobox? Now is the answer, must we revamp the infobox, or go with to use the template you created.--Doneve (talk) 14:26, 3 January 2015 (PST)

The overall article layout took ages to agree, and I'm a little reluctant to change it, but there are a couple of things in there that make me uncomfortable, like having to define the location of the system as at a particular year in the intro. You're right about there definitely being some duplication between the planet infobox and the article. I think it's reasonable to have some duplication between the box and the article - I don't think it hurts to have something like the planetary capital in the infobox, because the box works quite well as a quick reference. Same goes for the name and number of the moons, because the main article body is where we can put any extra detail we have on them other than the names, like whether they're inhabited, or there are bases on them or something. I think we should do something about the planetary rulers, though - most planets have no detail listed, some have one or two, and a few have lots. I think they make the infobox cluttered when there are too many - perhaps if there are more than three, the infobox should refer to the article body, rather than trying to list them all with dates? BrokenMnemonic (talk) 01:47, 4 January 2015 (PST)
Ok! I agree with you, but can we remove the notable rulers from the infobox, and added only in the article.--Doneve (talk) 14:18, 4 January 2015 (PST)
Ah its a pain, i go to read my BattleCorps stories, and there is so much planet info, i don't know how we handle this.--Doneve (talk) 07:27, 5 January 2015 (PST)
I managed to get as far as logging in this morning, checking the recent changes page, and then work went nuts and stayed that way. I'm glad to get home so I can sleep some more!
I don't have an issue with taking planetary rulers out of the infobox - I think it's a long enough text field that it would be better if it were covered solely in the main article. I'd like to add a continents field to the infobox though, for listing the names of the continents. What other changes do you think would make the boxes better? BrokenMnemonic (talk) 09:26, 5 January 2015 (PST)
For what it's worth, I've always been opposed to the inclusion of time-period specific information in infoboxes. Frabby (talk) 10:34, 5 January 2015 (PST)
I'd be inclined to agree in general, but I think with planets there are a couple of things that should be exceptions to that rule. The first one is the USIIR codes, because they're literally an unqualified 5-character code - there's nothing more we can say about them other than that they exist, so I think they're better served in the infobox where they can be found easily for reference than within the main article text. The other I'd be inclined to make an exception for is name of the planetary capital city, because whilst that changes over time for some planets, in most cases it's a constant and it's the sort of detail I think fits well with the infobox as a quick-reference tool. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 00:08, 6 January 2015 (PST)

Article Templates Missing

Hi BrokenMnemoic, I'm writing up some articles for Sarna.net, but there big problem. The Help & How-To is (where I think) where the old Article Templates are, which includes frame work to write certain articles which includes Infoboxes, basic structure of a article depending on subject your writing with. I can't find them, I'm resorting to using recent articles as templates because directory for them is now missing. Where heck are they now? -- Wrangler (talk) 09:17, 8 January 2015 (PST)

That's really odd. I'll do some digging, and let you know as soon as I find out where they've gone. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 09:21, 8 January 2015 (PST)
Ok, the article pages are here: Help:Contents. I'm not sure why they aren't on the front page any longer, but I suspect it must be something that Nic's changed, as I don't think anyone else has access to those sidebar boxes. It should definitely be somewhere on the front page, IMO. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 10:16, 8 January 2015 (PST)
Thank you for digging for them. I wasn't sure where to find them. I though i remember seeing them in the Help & How-To section. But it's all different now. It's always been in the Editing BTW as long i can remember editing here since 2009. -- Wrangler (talk) 11:54, 8 January 2015 (PST)
I've asked Nic if he can put them back into the same sidebar box - I hadn't even noticed that they hadn't gone, so I'm grateful you flagged up that they were missing. Hopefully they'll be back soon... BrokenMnemonic (talk) 12:09, 8 January 2015 (PST)
Hi. Templates aren't back yet. -- Wrangler (talk) 17:02, 15 January 2015 (PST)
I flagged it up on Nic's talk page and had a follow-up question from him - he's the only one with access to fix it as far as I can tell, so until he does there's nothing more I can do, I'm afraid. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 23:50, 15 January 2015 (PST)
You did what you could do, I'm only the messenger. I can try e-mail him as part of a reminder if you want, i don't want annoy him. Its going hurt people trying to edit here. It may out right discourage folks. -- Wrangler (talk) 03:58, 16 January 2015 (PST)
I think from what I've seen on twitter he's just busy at the moment, but he's usually on here fairly regularly - I'd give him another few days yet. If it hasn't been fixed by the time I go to bed on Sunday, I'll see if I can embed the link somewhere in the main page I can edit. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 09:34, 16 January 2015 (PST)

Bristol

If you could check this talk page, that'd be great! -BobTheZombie (talk) 20:08, 16 January 2015 (PST)

Triabad

Hy, BM. I found this new system Triabad in Field Report 2765: Periphery, p. 25. Ah its misspelt the correct name is Tirabad.--Doneve (talk) 13:39, 18 January 2015 (PST)

Planet Overhaul

Hy, i started to add the new template, but i do this not on all pages, its to much content input for my brain at this time, like the Zurich and Zosma page, but i correct the system and nearby systems coordinates, and focus on some pages with basics like the Zuhbehr page.--Doneve (talk) 11:15, 22 January 2015 (PST)

I've slowed down with the new article template as well - it does take a fair amount of time swapping them across. Don't owrry, though - updating the coordinates and the nearby systems sections is a huge help. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 23:30, 22 January 2015 (PST)

THS Monitor

Hey BrokenMnemonic, be careful when you ask the CGL people about canon status of the Monitor. Last two times I did that, they ended up destroying canon just to make a point. Monitor may end up being erased. If you feel it's necessary, you can suggest by asking if the Monitor was a prototype Essex on trials when it did the mission. -- Wrangler (talk) 04:39, 28 January 2015 (PST)

I debated posting up an Ask The Writer question about the Monitor, but I thought I'd bring it up in the WarShip of the Week article to see if the author of the article would comment. I think that it's just a simple errata of one kind or another, but the ATW forum has been a bit hit and miss for getting answers for the last year or so. If the writer mentions in the WOTW article that one or other fact is an error, then it can go in the official errata thread, but at the moment it seemed best to simply flag up the inconsistency in the article here and leave it at that for the moment. I'm a little wary of becoming the annoying person who asks so many questions that I just start getting default "that hasn't been clarified in canon yet" responses. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 05:30, 28 January 2015 (PST)
My experience with Cruiser, when i noticed the problem with intro dates to resulted in 25 year later thing. Author of the fluff agreed with me i had it right, but it seem out of spite dare i say? They changed it decades later. I have great reasons not bring things to their attention anymore when it comes to sensitive old info. -- Wrangler (talk) 12:04, 28 January 2015 (PST)

Planet Names

Hi hope all is well. I read your statement about planet names, i realize that somme [A] named planets located in the Star League era, Word of Blake or Republic of the Sphere sectors, i dont know if CG work from Terra with alphabetice the systems down to the Inner Sphere powers (but is a good question).--Doneve (talk) 04:11, 16 February 2015 (PST)

Hihi, everything's going ok here. A few changes at work are making life a bit more difficult, and I'm starting to see work for the con ramp up as the date of the next convention get closer, but I'm ok. How're you doing? I've not run the numbers yet, but I'd not be surprised if 10% of the known systems start with an "A". BrokenMnemonic (talk) 11:48, 16 February 2015 (PST)

Hi

Hope live is ok, sorry but iam at this time a little bit down to help on planet updates. I hope i check in next week to help out, but my wife has the last word, iam not in good health, sent you a e-mail of status in next days.--Doneve (talk) 14:06, 17 March 2015 (PDT)

Your health and wife come first - the planets can and should wait. They aren't going anywhere, ignoring jokes about the constant expansion of the universe over time. I hope that your health improves and that you get the chance to rest up. Keep in touch, ok? BrokenMnemonic (talk) 01:06, 18 March 2015 (PDT)
Hi, iam back and now can help out with the planet pages :).--Doneve (talk) 04:47, 1 May 2015 (PDT)
Hi! It's great to see you again. How're you feeling? BrokenMnemonic (talk) 03:17, 2 May 2015 (PDT)
Iam feeling very good at this time, oh Handbook: House Kurita is availible, new maps maps maps ;).--Doneve (talk) 03:29, 2 May 2015 (PDT)

Battle of Harrow's Sun

BM - Was hoping you could give Battle of Harrow's Sun a look. Thanks. ClanWolverine101 (talk) 21:36, 22 March 2015 (PDT)

Hey - Thank you for copyediting my Battle of Harrow's Sun article. I'm trying to restart the tradition of giving awards to eachother. Have a Casual Edit Award, 5th ribbon on me. ClanWolverine101 (talk) 05:41, 31 March 2015 (PDT)
Thank you for the award. Getting a chance to look over the article was a nice break from editing planet articles! The two NAIS guides to the Fourth Succession War were largely responsible for getting me into BattleTech to begin with, so I have a particular fondness for the events that went on during the war. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 01:44, 1 April 2015 (PDT)

Semantic timetable on Planetpages

Hi BM, i hope the convention works. Well i came up to the Category:Wars page and saw the timetable, now i pocke a little bit around if we can use this for the planet pages to change the list form of the [political affiliation]/[owner history] in a timetable, this link helps [1], what do you think.--Doneve (talk) 13:54, 3 May 2015 (PDT)

I think the problem with trying to turn the political affiliation section into a timeline is that we don't have timeline data - we've got a series of data points, in most cases. There are some planets where the books say that "planet X was a Lyran holding until 2937..." where it would work, but in most cases our historical records are incomplete. That's why I argued against us saying, based on the maps, things like "planet X remained a Federated Suns holding throughout the first two Succession Wars..." because we don't know if it actually did - we just know that on the two dates where we have it on a map, it was a FedSuns world.
I do like what you've done on the wars timeline though - it's making me think I should write up some more of the wars on here when I get a chance. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 00:43, 4 May 2015 (PDT)

Support vehicle templates

Thanks for getting to this. I meant to but it got lost in the shuffle. One question: Should the Equipment and Capacities header read Equipment and Capabilities instead? (I don't understand why it has Capacities in there.)--Mbear(talk)

I've responded to my talk. -- Wrangler (talk) 04:51, 8 May 2015 (PDT)
Hi BrokenMnemonic, I'm trying out now. There some changed I'd like you to do and question I'm asking. Addition: I need a optional line for "Equipment Rating" right below Movement type line in the Infobox. If you look in TRO: Vechicle Annex (Revised), you'll see it in the infobox in the articles. I sorely need that one in there. All Support units use this. Question: Armor. You have separate line to put the rating of the armor. Way it's right now, I need put "BAR" in the Armor line, then adding the number rating for the BAR. Is that what you intended to be like? -- Wrangler (talk) 13:04, 11 May 2015 (PDT)
For the Armour and BAR fields, the way I saw it working was this: if the armour is standard armour or a more advanced type of armour, like one of the ferro-fibrous derivatives, then the Armour field would have the type and name of the armour "Durallex Standard", "Defiance Heavy Ferro-Fibrous", etc, and the BAR field would be left blank. However, if the armour was something that has a BAR rating, like commercial, heavy commercial, etc, then the Armour field would have the name and type of the armour - "Light Commercial", "Heavy Commercial", etc, while the BAR field would give the BAR rating of that armour - "BAR 5", "BAR 10", "BAR 8", etc. For the Prometheus Support Vehicle, as it has a commercial armour type, I put the type of the armour in the Armour field, and the BAR armour rating of the armour in the BAR field. If it had been given standard armour, then I would just have written "Standard" in the Armour field and left the BAR field blank. Does that make sense? BrokenMnemonic (talk) 23:51, 11 May 2015 (PDT)
It does, but the problem lies in that many of the support vehicles do not say what kind of "commerical" "Heavy Industrial" etc armor they have, they just say BAR rating. I'll just put BAR in the armor line and then type in number below. Sorry trouble ya! -- Wrangler (talk) 06:56, 12 May 2015 (PDT)
Production Year line gives errors. I've never had good luck putting information in that line. -- Wrangler (talk) 07:16, 12 May 2015 (PDT)
If your not able to fix the Production Year line in the info box, do you know who be? It's really bad error that prints up in the infobox. It comes up as non-sense. -- Wrangler (talk) 18:16, 22 May 2015 (PDT)
I've just tested the Production Year field, and it seems to be working. The Production Year field uses the Year Reference field to create it's own reference; this is what I added to the Hector article:

| Production Year = 2500
| Year Reference = <ref>[http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/4285/hector-road-train-tractor-standard MUL Profile for the Hector Road Train Tractor - Introduction Year Only]</ref>

I used the Phoenix Hawk as an example to check what I should be putting in, as that one works. I think if the Production Year field is breaking for you, it's breaking for one of two reasons: 1) You may be putting the date inside double square brackets in the Production Year field (you don't need to do that, the template does it) or 2) you're trying to put the reference for the date in the Production Year field, which you shouldn't be doing - it needs to go in the Year Reference field instead. The Production Year that shows up in the infobox when you view the article is actually two fields showing up in one infobox row. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 03:39, 23 May 2015 (PDT)

XTRO: Republic I Request

Hey Broken, With Republic opening up soon, i want call couple vehicles since your aerospace fan. I really don't want race and compete with you or others to try put article in, do you mind me calling dibs on Castrum Pocket WarShip and Strix Stealth VTOL? -- Wrangler (talk) 11:06, 9 May 2015 (PDT)

Hi Wrangler, I do love my spaceships. I haven't picked up XTRO: Republic I yet though, and money's going to be tight for the next couple of months - if you're willing to do the units then you've got free reign Smiley.gif BrokenMnemonic (talk) 12:12, 9 May 2015 (PDT)

Thanks!

For your help with the Support Vehicle stuff, please take this: Problem Solver Award, 1st ribbon --Mbear(talk) 05:10, 11 May 2015 (PDT)

Shiny! Thank you - I've never had one of those. I think I tend to cause more problems than I solve Wink.gif BrokenMnemonic (talk) 23:54, 11 May 2015 (PDT)

Task Force Serpent edits

Hey Broken, I'm not sure if this is up your ally, i'm bit tided up what i'm doing. A non-registered user,110.20.167.217‎, made alot of edits to Task Force Serpent, but the user did not use citations. I'm not sure if the user will get my message about need for citations. Removing the new sections may honk and scare them off, can you see it's possible to add citation or find someone who can? -- Wrangler (talk) 06:29, 22 May 2015 (PDT)

Hi, all what i can say the content is from the novels, but i have only the german's i hope a other jump in and add citations.--Doneve (talk) 07:13, 22 May 2015 (PDT)
I have a copy of the novel (I used it when I was doing the individual ship articles a while ago) but I'm mostly tied up with the convention I'm helping with for the next 4 weeks. If someone else hasn't added citations by then, I'll go through and add some in. I don't think I'll be able to get to it sooner because I can't edit using a novel at work, and at home, all my time is going into the prep work for the convention because of the con deadlines. I've been keeping an eye on the edits to make sure they aren't spam (I'm always a bit wary when an IP address makes a lot of edits) and it's a shame that the user hasn't registered, as that'd make them a lot easier to talk with. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 03:43, 23 May 2015 (PDT)

Present vs. Past Tense in Articles

Sorry for the long delay; I made a short survey. Tell me if you think any of the wording should be changed, otherwise go ahead and fill it out. -BobTheZombie (talk) 09:47, 24 May 2015 (PDT)

P.S. You can put the link on the minor news section of the front page if you want more editors/readers to find it. -BobTheZombie (talk) 22:47, 25 May 2015 (PDT)

Ferris

Hi BM, thanks to remove the Ferris content, i go to my source books and cant found any detail he added, i keep my eyes open on not regristred users, cheers.--Doneve (talk) 03:35, 27 May 2015 (PDT)

i've not been able to check 25 Years of Art and Fiction or the ATOW Rulebook/ATOW Companion (I don't have digital copies of those here) but I can't find anything in the other sourcebooks to substantiate any of the detail in the article other than what was in Objectives: Clans, which has pretty minimal detail in it. I could be wrong, but the reference to the Ferris Guards being wiped out during the Clan invasion suggests that whoever wrote the detail is at least confused between the two different planets named Ferris... It felt better to err on the side of caution. I meant to investigate further over the weekend, but until the convetion's over life is just stupidly busy atm. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 03:40, 27 May 2015 (PDT)
Ok i checked now 25 Years of Art and Fiction and ATOW there is no info about Ferris, i hope this help a little bit.--Doneve (talk) 04:15, 27 May 2015 (PDT)
That definitely helps - I think we've confirmed that the added detail was fanon. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 04:19, 27 May 2015 (PDT)

More Errata

I'm sorry to report that there's more errata you can look at, and it's a pretty long list. Help if you can/want. Thanks. -BobTheZombie (talk) 18:10, 23 June 2015 (PDT)

I'm not really in a position to help at the moment, I'm afraid - I'm not getting any time to work on Sarna at home, for various reasons, and the reference disks I've got at work (when I can sneak onto Sarna while at work, that is) only cover Era Reports, Field Manuals/Field Reports, Handbooks, Historicals, Turning Points, Dark Age/Jihad sourcebooks, Scenario Packs, Technical Readouts and XTROs - I don't have all of the Record Sheets to begin with, and I don't tend to put them on my reference disks because they're big files I never really have a reason to use. I'm likely to be stupidly busy in the evenings/on weekends for another six or eight weeks yet before things quieten down, so I may be able to look then, but having read through the errata you've flagged I'm not exactly sure what I'd be looking for. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 00:45, 24 June 2015 (PDT)
That's no problem; thanks for explaining. It seems as if MBear already took care of them, so no need to worry. -BobTheZombie (talk) 17:40, 24 June 2015 (PDT)

Carver/Liberty system name

Hi BM, saw you moved Carver to Liberty. I'd like to point out that the planet Carver III was named Liberty; but do we have any indication that the entire system was renamed? Frabby (talk) 04:27, 1 July 2015 (PDT)

Hi Frabby,
Yes, we do - in as much as the name displayed on maps from mid-Jihad onwards showed the system with the name "Liberty" rather than "Carver V". Carver III isn't inhabited - the two inhabited planets appear to have been Carver IV and Carver V (and evidence for the inhabitation of Carver IV is based on a single reference) but the maps consistently displayed "Carver V" up until shortly before 3067, at which point the name changed to Liberty (see Handbook: House Liao, p. 68). There's also confirmation in Dark Age: Republic Worlds (3130) that while the change had been in popular usage during the Jihad, it became official under the Republic of the Sphere when the planet was incorporated into the ROTS. That's been enough of a justification to change the names of 50+ systems across Sarna already (see: Adhara/Trip, Anatolia/Pillory, Helbrent/Andiron, Sartu/Bastille, Ouagadougou/Silence, etc.)
Alternatively, if you're asking if I can definitively prove that the system name was Carver and that the system name became Liberty, then no, I can't, any more than I can prove definitely what the names of all the examples previously used were, because recording where the system name varies from the planet name appears to be very much the exception rather than the rule in canon, as testified to by the fact that having done almost 700 planet articles now, I think the number of cases where the system name is specifically different to the dominant planet name is around half a dozen. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 05:51, 1 July 2015 (PDT)
BT maps are far from consistent... but there is a clear tendency of displaying not the system name, but the name of the primary inhabited world (as showcased by all those worlds with Roman numerals, and a handful proven cases where the system name is something else entirely like Norn for Verthandi). Carver V was quite obviously the fifth planet in the Carver system. According to the Dark Age: Republic Worlds (3130) document, it was specifically the planet Carver V that was renamed to Liberty. No mention is made of the system at large. That is to say, we are never told whether or not the system as such was renamed, too. PS: And yeah, I'm stupid. I meant Carver V of course. :) Frabby (talk) 07:02, 1 July 2015 (PDT)
In which case, it's still correct to update the article to point at Liberty, rather than carver/Carver V, because that's the most recent iteration of the dominant planet name, which is also what's being used on here using the examples above, in the absence of direction one way or the other on system names from canon. I'm struggling a bit to see the issue here... BrokenMnemonic (talk) 10:22, 1 July 2015 (PDT)
I'm just playing devil's advocate - I'm afraid that Sarna will be accused of "jumping to conclusions" over at the BT forum again because we're solely basing the system name change on inference here rather than explicit fact. At the very least, the situation should be explained right at the beginning of the article. NB To support your viewpoint you could point out that it's canonically spelled out in the story Starfire (in 25 Years of Art and Fiction) that systems are usually named after the primary world therein. It's no conclusive proof but it is an indication, in the absence of hard data. Frabby (talk) 12:45, 1 July 2015 (PDT)

Spamm

Morning BM, can you block User:Terrencepaul33 please, spamming links to external sites, thanks.--Doneve (talk) 00:46, 14 July 2015 (PDT)

Good morning Doneve,
Thanks for flagging him up - I wouldn't have noticed him for a while yet because I was too busy playing with planets articles. I've blocked him, but the site isn't letting me merge the user account into the Anonymous account as Frabby normally does, and I'm not sure why. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 01:06, 14 July 2015 (PDT)

Warner Doles (Realperson)

Hi BM, some non-registered user posted this article about a battletech contributor, Warner Doles (person). It briefly talks about the person, but highlights about him being a sex offender. Which i'm not sure if that should be focus of a article written here. -- Wrangler (talk) 13:39, 17 July 2015 (PDT)

Hi Wrangler,
I agree - this is a BattleTech wiki, and unless Doles' conviction is somehow related to BattleTech, it doesn't belong here. Thanks for flagging it up - sorry I didn't get to it sooner, I lost last night to Project Zomboid. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 01:47, 18 July 2015 (PDT)

TRO:3150

Morning BM, i dont know if you have access to TRO:3150, i read a lot of posts in the BT:forum the TRO was a compilation of all XTRO's and TRO:3145, now i dont know if use money to buy it or safe my money and wait for Interstellar Operations.--Doneve (talk) 02:19, 23 July 2015 (PDT)

Hi Doneve,
I picked up TRO:3150 on impulse when it came out, as it was part of a bundle offer with TRO:3145, and I wanted an electronic copy of TRO:3145 for the rules and NTNU variants in it. Having been through TRO:3150, the things that have changed between the individual faction-based TROs like TRO:3145 Lyran Commonwealth are:
  • The notable pilots fluff is new
  • There are some new variants in the NTNU section
I've not looked at it as closely as I'd like, because I've been busy with other things, but I think if you want to take advantage of the bundle deal, it's worth getting. Otherwise, if you don't care about the minor new variant detail or new fluff and you already have the various faction TRO:3145s, I think you're better off saving your money for IO. (Or maybe First Succession War...) BrokenMnemonic (talk) 02:57, 23 July 2015 (PDT)
Thanks, i have all various faction TROs and TRO:3145, and i safe my money for IO and First Succession War.--Doneve (talk) 03:09, 23 July 2015 (PDT)
TRO:3150 does reference a type of battle armour (Cavalier II? Grenadier II? I forget exactly which) that hasn't been published yet, so I think it doesn't include the units from XTRO: Republic III - so I think it's worth picking that up if/when it appears. It felt a bit weird to be getting information on the 3146-3150 period in dribs and drabs, though - it makes it feel like there should be an era digest or something out there that gives the bigger picture. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 03:22, 23 July 2015 (PDT)
TRO:3150, i've gone over it after I bought PDF and it does have some creditable fluff added to it. Partially have buy's regret it, were properly going get the same information when the IClan book is released. If i weren't working for help with Sarna, i would wait until it was printed in paper form. With couple exceptions, there nothing really remarkable in the book to warrant me to buying it. Seriously. I have to agree with you about the XTRO Republic units being only selected ones, from Vol 1 and 2, nothing seems to be new to be from the future third volume. I guess enough holy cain was raised to convince them not to do entire transfer info to this book. Hopefully, we won't be waiting for ever for it come out in paper form or when the Record Sheets get finally published for the new units. I don't think any of the feature units will have record sheets due to them already bene released Unabridged/cutting edge Record Sheet book for RS: 3145. -- Wrangler (talk) 09:44, 23 July 2015 (PDT)

Alpha Strike Cards

Oh i forgot a another question, do you think we come in trouble when i upload Alpha Strike Cards to every 'Mech, Vehicle etc. variant, i hope not so, some are free availible on the MUL page!--Doneve (talk) 02:28, 23 July 2015 (PDT)

I'm not sure you'd get into trouble, but I think that you'd hit the problem of not knowing when the cards on the MUL are updated - there's a steady stream of errata relating to the cards in the thread on the CGL forum. I think it might be worth including a link to the card, so that people who want to see it get routed straight to the right place on the MUL, but I don't think it's worth putting the images on Sarna. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 03:00, 23 July 2015 (PDT)
You are right, a link to the MUL and the cards is better as uploaded every variant.--Doneve (talk) 03:09, 23 July 2015 (PDT)
Being able to go from the individual variants on Sarna direct to their Alpha Strike cards would be really useful, because it means that people could read about the different variant loadouts on here while they browse, which they can't do on the MUL. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 03:23, 23 July 2015 (PDT)
Hi Guys, sorry for being away so long. If you need Alpha Strike cards, Bad_Syntax was able to dynamically and automatically generate the cards in png format, and the links can be found on his MUL site. The page is very detailed, so detailed in fact that I prefer it to the official MUL. You guys might want to take a look at it, I don't know if it's what you're looking for but I think he has one for every vehicle and 'Mech available as of 3145.-Volt (talk) 04:48, 23 July 2015 (PDT)
Hy Volt, i know ;) i follow his battletechengineer page sometimes, but the problem is its not a canon page! My opinion is he do a much better work as CGL and had some great ideas, but the CGL staff is pissed of and blocked him to the forum i dont understand why grml, and when i link to his page i think it falls under fanon and not canon, then i became some trouble with sarna :(.--Doneve (talk) 04:59, 23 July 2015 (PDT)