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Can you give me some tips on which kind of ammendments are you doing to the units I've been adding? Just to avoid double work.

Hey Pserratv. Mostly small things like adding in parent units or merging units that you created that already have a page (First Ramsau Irregulars but we already had 1st Ramsau Irregulars), keep up the good work though man, it is really cool to see how much stuff you are hammering out.--Dmon (talk) 15:26, 11 January 2018 (EST)

Now that I've been working a bit with all these Militia units... I'm unsure of which could be the correct approach: having a parent page for the militia, and then another for the specific sub-units?? Technically speaking, the units are never mentioned, only the sub-units. The "units" for me represent the real global militia, but opinions are welcomed... I could go back and arrange this, no issues.--Pserratv (talk) 09:48, 12 January 2018 (EST)

The way I look at it is that the units are the front line units of the militia who are on station at the time. If you look at the support commands category of any nation state you will find militia units attached to 'Mech regiments. I personally believe that some of the militia units will be "out on loan", this is further supported by some militia units haing quite high numeral unit designations. So I would treat the Militia page in a similar way to a Brigade page. Especially since we know that Militias will often have several regiments of infantry in addition to the forces listed, the militia units are actually quite large..--Dmon (talk) 09:59, 12 January 2018 (EST)

And there is a disparity in the fluff because the Clan Wolf sourcebook lists nearly everything as just "whatever planet militia" but invading clans and the jade falcon book go as far as naming units. I think it comes down to militia units being written off as minor secondary units where in actual fact they likely make up a vast majority of a states military power. Just not 'Mechs.--Dmon (talk) 10:04, 12 January 2018 (EST)

My Bad

Sorry man, I accidentally reverted your edit while learning my new admin options. 100% my fault, nothing you did wrong. Just re-edited the article. --DragonoftheRust (talk) 00:33, 22 January 2018 (EST)

James Davion

Hi Dmon, quick question for you - I'm slowly slogging my way through the House Davion personalities as part of hacking back the updates needed list, and I've just got to James Davion. The infobox for James Davion indicates that he had a son, Albie Davion, but I can't find anything in House Davion (The Federated Suns) or Handbook: House Davion about an Albie or Albert Davion, either independently or in any of the text dealing with James Davion or Janet Solway. I went back through the article history, and it looks like you added the detail on Albie - can you give me a steer on where I can find a citation for Albie? Ta! BrokenMnemonic (talk) 04:18, 13 February 2018 (EST)

Hey BM, A lot of the time when I am creating the Character Infobox data I just use a combination of the info that is in the article (and the articles that link), and I have a look at S-Gages House Davion Family Tree that was originally created from the tree published in the back of the House Davion (The Federated Suns) book. If you are using the PDF version of the book (like I do) the family tree is not included so is kind of hard to verify for myself. Dmon (talk) 04:49, 13 February 2018 (EST)

Bloodnamed Famous

Question: I was reviewing Clan Troops (and still doing), and I decided to add as notable bloodnamed holders the Elementals I'm finding in that book. Not sure if that was your idea. Indeed they are quite minor, maybe not even worth their own page... your comments on this?--Pserratv (talk) 04:55, 28 February 2018 (EST)

Although quite minor in the grand scope of things a bloodnamed warrior is technically still quite important from a Clan cultural aspect. So if there is no better home feel free to put them under the bloodname article and retitle the section as known bloodname holders possibly. We can look at rehoming them again in the future if need be. Dmon (talk) 06:14, 28 February 2018 (EST)

Project Bloodname Assistance

Hey Dmon, I have been taking a second pass at the bloodname articles you started linking them to the Bloodname tables. This project was one I was going to be doing once I had all the bloodnames sorted, but alas I didn't get to it so cudos to you!

I have been editing them also to reflect the current known status of the Bloodname, in addition to its current location in the Clan engenics program. Be it with another Clan, Reaved, or Tainted via Society interference. Those names that have been absorbed by other Clans I have detailed as well, but of course there is little history or anything that explains what has happened to minor and unused names. So most of the articles state this. Anyways thanks again for starting this, and I will attempt to help when I can. Deadfire (talk) 10:02, 28 February 2018 (EST)

All good Deadfire, I believe that it is a project that the wiki needed (Along with my other one Project House) as we already have all the planets, 'Mechs, vehicles and broad strokes of history. It is time to start digging into the stuff that links everything together. Any help is appreciated. Dmon (talk) 10:17, 28 February 2018 (EST)

Canonicity section

Cough cough... when creating a new article with an Apocryphal tag you're supposed to include a Canonicity section in the article that explains the subject's apocryphal status. Like for example being featured solely in an apocryphal source. ;). Frabby (talk) 08:04, 25 March 2018 (EDT)

Sorry, will go back and add them in now ;-)--Dmon (talk) 08:06, 25 March 2018 (EDT)

Solaris VII Dark Age Products

Don't you have by any chance the Dark Age material related to Solaris VII? Maps, histories, basically the Solaris Action Pack full kit

I think I have the Medium and Heavy packs but that is it. You looking for the fluff from them?--Dmon (talk) 20:39, 29 March 2018 (EDT)

ANy way you can share map photos, card scans/photos or whatever? By the way,. the 1992 flyer if you share e-mail address I send it to you

Tormano Liao

Confused: Why did you remove the (canonical) image from the character infobox in the Tormano Liao article? Frabby (talk) 03:57, 25 April 2018 (EDT)

It was showing up as a broken link, I had every intention on coming back and sorting it out but got distracted doing other things.--Dmon (talk) 04:36, 25 April 2018 (EDT)

Capitalizing Operations

Hi Dmon, I noticed you updated Operation SWITCHBACK by capitalizing the name of the operation. Should we do this for all "Operations", i.e. Klondike, Revival, etc? I know many of the sourcebooks do, at least in regard to Operation REVIVAL. Wanted to hear your thoughts. Thanks. JubalHarshaw (talk) 22:58, 1 May 2018 (EDT)

Yeah there was a conversation about a year ago about the fact that some are capitalized and some are not. We decided to capitalize as standard. As with all things wiki it just takes a time for everything to catch up.--Dmon (talk) 02:42, 2 May 2018 (EDT)

Noble Houses

Great addition, Dmon. This is a informative and inclusive category, which will really highlight related articles--most notably biographies--Sarna needs to fill in. Please accept my gratitude on your efforts on that endeavor. --Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 17:01, 20 May 2018 (EDT)

Thanks Rev, I am having a lot of fun building it all up, due to the information being scattered in little bits all over the place it is really slow going but really rewarding at the same time.--Dmon (talk) 17:12, 20 May 2018 (EDT)

Finished House Youngblood. Great idea, I hope I've added something of value.--Pserratv (talk) 12:31, 24 May 2018 (EDT)

Dmon, the Awards Committee is, well, "awarding" you the first Tireless Contributor award for your efforts in enhancing Sarna through the creation and population of the various Noble House category and sub-categories. From the award nomination (paraphrased):

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Nomination for Tireless Contributor award to Dmon He has worked for quite awhile (since opening the category in 2012) on identifying, standardizing, and filling in the various houses, and each of the articles--some much less stubs than would be expected--are well cited, often with multiple sources. The category now has 80 individual articles associated with it, with two subcategories.

”

The committee thanks you for your service.

--Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 18:02, 9 June 2018 (EDT)

Thank you very much. despite being a minor project for 6 years now I still feel that the project is still in its infancy and hopefully will grow into a source of useful information that would otherwise remain dispersed throughout the wiki.--Dmon (talk) 04:56, 10 June 2018 (EDT)

The articles for the five Great Houses currently redirect to the respective Successor State, while separate articles exist for their family trees (e.g. House Davion redirects to Federated Suns, while there is also a House Davion Family Tree article). I feel the redirects were never quite accurate and need to be replaced by proper articles, and the Family Tree articles should also be merged into these. Or have you deliberately left this structure in place?

Further, speaking about family trees: Shouldn't all House articles be organized to contain a family tree by default? House Grimm and House Humphreys, for example, could (and imho should) totally get family trees. If known House members exist that can't currently be placed in the tree, they can still be mentioned in a section of their own. Frabby (talk) 07:24, 22 July 2018 (EDT)

I have left the Great Houses as redirects on purpose, I wanted to begin to begin defining the line between house and state a bit before I did, I have done things like migrate all the "House Character" categories into state based ones and I have slowly been editing unit and character articles to illustrate affiliation with the nation states and insert house links at the mention of various families. It has taken me a couple of years to instigate this subtle shift in dynamic. If I had changed the redirects a year or more ago I probably would of met resistance but now that the project is starting to become something with its own value I will be changing the redirects some time soon.

I would love to include family trees in the articles but currently most of the houses simply do not have enough information to create one just yet. House Sandoval, House Humphreys, House Kelswa and House Allard-Liao are likely the best bets for actual family trees in the future. The current plan is to try and create at least a stub article for 95% of all named noble families in the universe within the next 3 weeks, then I am away on holiday for a week, when I come back I am going to start trying to track down various family members and try and figure out whom is related to whom and how. That will likely take me until about Christmas, if things go well I will also get enough information to develop a few trees.--Dmon (talk) 08:28, 22 July 2018 (EDT)

Grafina?

Saw you created redirects to Nobility from both Graf (German for "Count") and Grafina. If you meant the latter as a female form of Graf then be advised that this word doesn't exist (except perhaps if someone made a blunder in BattleTech canon - is there a source?). The female form of Graf is Gräfin. Frabby (talk) 09:03, 18 July 2018 (EDT)

Hey Frabby, I am reading Handbook: House Steiner and can confirm that the term used in the book is "Grafina" (I am using the ebook version available on Scribd as I am not at home), I am not sure if the issue is isolated to the one book but I think House Steiner (The Lyran Commonwealth) simply used Graf regardless of gender.--Dmon (talk) 09:14, 18 July 2018 (EDT)

<facepalm> Oh my, that would require an explanation somewhere in the article then. "Grafina" is totally made up and has a slapstick vibe (speaking as a native German). Google doesn't seem to know the word. Frabby (talk) 09:38, 18 July 2018 (EDT)

Just checked and the term does date back to the original Steiner house book.--Dmon (talk) 10:32, 18 July 2018 (EDT)

A BattleTech quirk then. Funny I didn't freak out about it 25 years ago. Thanks for looking! Frabby (talk) 11:45, 18 July 2018 (EDT)