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| − | == Hunan ==
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| − | I'm glad that you found the wrong co-ordinates for Gotterdammerung. I was wondering if you could take a look in your atlas of the Inner Sphere for [[Hunan]]. It's placed on the map here to the northeast of New Avalon, but it's listed as being part of the Capellan confederation and as having been part of the Terran Hegemony. I think this must be wrong, but I have no way of checking it. If it's possible, could you take a look?
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| − | Follow up: The co-ordinates are listed as: (X: 333.04 Y: 333.04)
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| − | Thanks, --[[User:Workerbee|Workerbee]] 09:41, 30 May 2008 (CDT)
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| − | :It is located in the triangle formed by [[New Aragon]], [[St. Andre]] and [[Foochow]], fairly exactly "north" of [[Zaurak]] and [[Kaifeng]]. The Atlas gives the coordinates as X: 73,04 Y: 96,76
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| − | :Btw it is a known problem that the planet's X/Y coordinates are wrong. When the entries were auto-generated, the X-coordinate were erroneously put into both the X and Y slot. Nic is aware of this and it will hopefully be corrected in a future update. (See [[Category talk:Planets# Major Problem with Coords]]). [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 13:10, 30 May 2008 (CDT)
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| − | Thanks again. --[[User:Workerbee|Workerbee]] 15:24, 30 May 2008 (CDT)
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| − | ::Wouldn't that be (73.04, '''-'''96.76?), as Hunan is "south" of Terra? Since you've become the planetary coordinate guru, would you be able to check and make sure that the [http://cf.sarna.net/data/planets/iscs/planall.zip master file] has as that data correct? I've already corrected Menkent, Blue Diamond, Gotterdammerung, and Hunan. Specifically, could you check out [[Sakhalin]], [[Scituate]], [[Cartago]], and [[Chamdo]]? Thanks! --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 17:42, 1 June 2008 (CDT)
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| − | Yes, you are absolutely right: Hunan is at Y -96.76, sorry! Regarding the others:
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| − | *There are in fact two systems by the name of Sakhalin: One is a CapCon/Sarna Supremacy world at X: 62.33 Y: -142.92, the other a Lyran world at X: -24.25 Y: 153.09. The one on this wiki is the CapCon world, Sakhalin (LC) is missing as of yet. I had already noted it on the article some time ago (CC/SS world is spelled Sachalin in German material, but not in the original English sources).
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| − | *Scituate has X: 88.67 Y: -221.94 in my Atlas. The wiki apparently used a positive Y coord, as it is erroneously shown at approximately the same altitude as Mannedorf (which is Y: 228.98).
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| − | *Cartago placement seems to be correct (at X: 141.09 Y: -10.17)
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| − | *Chamdo placement also seems to be correct (at X: 10.43 Y: -153.61); however, in the immediate vicinity [[Yunnah]] seems to be slightly misplaced. The correct coordinates for Yunnah are X: 27.67 Y: -124.13. It ''should'' be halfway between [[Corey]] and [[Second Try]] but here it is erroneously shown on the same altitude as [[Tsinghai]] and Chamdo, at Y: -153.61.
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| − | Checking the big file? I am honored, but it is a daunting task. It will take time. (Add the fact that some names were actually ''translated'' into German, i.e. ''Second Try'' is named ''Zweitversuch'' (lit.: Second Try) in German. That one could be guessed, but it literally took me a year to figure that ''Rand'' is meant to be ''The Edge''...
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| − | Oh, and then there is that issue with "missing planets". It grew to quite a collection on the CBT forum, and there are other cases. This wiki, for example, has [[Ferris]] (Outworld Alliance) but there seems to be another Ferris in the Oberon Confederation which as of yet is not mentioned here. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 18:17, 1 June 2008 (CDT)
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| − | ::The file does have Sakhalin (LC) at the correct coordinates. It has Scituate at 88.67,221.94 so that is incorrect. Yunnah is a tad off at 27.64,-154.13. Both have been corrected. It is daunting, I agree... but something does need to be done about the planets that are not represented, especially the planets of the Marian Hegemony and Circinus Federation. I also feel like Clan planets should be added, as well as those in the Deep Periphery, but that's a whole separate issue. --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 18:46, 1 June 2008 (CDT)
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| − | == Coordinates ==
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| − | Frabby, please review the [[BattleTechWiki_talk:Planet_Article_Overhaul#Coordinates_.28Sidebar.29|discussion]] that developed after your opposition statement in regards to doing away with coordinates. The question needs to be settled as to from where these coordinates should reliably come. It's not as clear as simply providing printed canon coordinates.--[[User:Revanche|Rev]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 14:56, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
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| − | == The Ties That Bind ==
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| − | Hi, The short answer is yes {{Emoticon| :) }} The long answer is [[User_talk:Dark_Jaguar#The_Ties_That_Bind|here]]. --[[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 14:11, 5 January 2014 (PST)
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| − | :: Hi, I have the scan you wanted, how should I send it to you? --[[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 17:59, 11 January 2014 (PST)
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| − | :::I've sent you an email. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 23:45, 13 January 2014 (PST)
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| − | ::::Sent, let me know that if comes through OK --[[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 15:20, 19 January 2014 (PST)
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| − | :::::Got it, much appreciated. I take it the story does conclude with her walking through the door; it does seem a bit abrupt.
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| − | :::::Now, about that MFUK stuff... ;) [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 01:33, 20 January 2014 (PST)
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| − | ::::::Yes that is the end of the story when she walks out. The next page is an advert and the one after is the Colossus preview. --[[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 14:08, 20 January 2014 (PST)
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| − | == Fanon Still Here ==
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| − | I ran across the [[ER Intermediate Laser]] and was very confused for a moment, but then discovered it was fanon. I want to add "Not Canon" tags to all those weapons and other fanon things still here, but they are under User pages, and one had a {NoEdit} tag, which makes me wonder: can I add tags to all those, or is that trespassing on other people's personal stuff by editing it? Or should I move that stuff over to the fanon wiki and put deletion tags on it here? -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 19:56, 11 January 2014 (PST)
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| − | :I'd personally rather not have these pages, but they are sub-pages under the user pages and as such not part of the wiki mainspace. When we purged fanon we agreed to leave such pages alone as long as they're clearly marked non-canon, because user pages are essentially considered taboo for other editors. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 23:47, 13 January 2014 (PST)
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| − | ::So just to clarify, I ''should'' put the "not canon" tags on there then? -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 04:47, 14 January 2014 (PST)
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| − | :::Yes, definitely. If it's not canon, it absolutely needs to be tagged as such. That's an exception I've always made for the user page taboo. Though in the example of the ER Intermediate Laser you linked above, I note the tag is already in place. Are there non-canonical articles on user-subpages that are not tagged? [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 06:42, 14 January 2014 (PST)
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| − | ::::Well, if you looked at the history, I had to add the tag to it; and yes, there is a good number of them that need tags that I will get to later tonight. Oh, additionally, should those fanon weapon pages get Project Technology tags on their talk pages? -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 15:01, 14 January 2014 (PST)
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| − | :::::Thanks for doing this Bob. And no, fanon articles should ''not'' be included in any wiki projects. Ignore them to death. :) [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 01:24, 15 January 2014 (PST)
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| − | ::::::The user pages were a sort of compromise for editors like myself who were drawn here initially as a place for fanon but ended up contributing to the canonical portions of the wiki nonetheless. Basically it was a sort of "thanks for the help" gesture. Indeed, for the most part I was the only one speaking up for the inclusion of some fanonishal items based on quality. As the project lead on the Project Technology, I wholeheartedly concur however that these pages should NOT be included in any canonical project. I've gone and added the non-canon tags to my own little vanity user pages seen here: [[User:LRichardson/Essays]]. Thanks for tolerating them. ; ) -- [[User:LRichardson|LRichardson]] 13:05, 19 February 2015 (PST)
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| − | ==Corvette Weights==
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| − | Hi Frabby,<br>
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| − | I tweaked your comment about the common upper mass limit for corvettes from 300k tons to 450k tons when I was adding the ''Mako'' and ''Pinto'' to the list. All of the designs other than the ''Vincent'' are below 300k tons, that's very true - but from the few figures that are available, the ''Vincent'' seems to have been the most numerous corvette by far (500+ hulls, as compared to 100+ hulls for the ''Mako'') and it weighs in at 412k tons. I agree that most designs fall below that weight, but it looks as if there were probably as many ''Vincents'' as there were other corvettes combined, unless the RWR was dropping ''Pintos'' like kittens, and the term "most corvettes" makes me think of hulls when I read it, rather than designs. I hope that makes sense - it may be that the article needs to be reworded to be a bit clearer? [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 07:17, 5 February 2014 (PST)
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| − | :If I understand you correctly you're saying that the ''Vincent''s are so numerous that they kinda dominate the Corvette class? I'd be okay with that and really don't have much of an issue with the upper mass limit for corvettes. I just felt the ''Vincent'', being more than 1.7 times the size of the next smaller corvette, was the odd man out in the corvette family. It's really a light destroyer, though for some queer reason someone insisted on calling it a corvette. Perhaps to explain your point it should be mentioned that the ''Vincent'' was built in large numbers? [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 08:36, 5 February 2014 (PST)
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| − | ::That's basically my point, yes - but that was based on the article using "corvettes" rather than "corvette designs" or something to differentiate between the ships as a group and the designs as a group. Of the various designs, I don't think there are any numbers anywhere for the number of ''Vigilants'', ''Nightwings'', ''Trackers'', ''Bonaventures'' and ''Pintos''. We do know that there were a bit over a dozen ''Fredasas'', a dozen ''Zechetinu'', two dozen ''Foxes'' and a handful of ''Inazumas''. In contrast, the ''Mako'' had over a hundred hulls built in 90 years, while the number of ''Vincents'' - produced over almost 350 years, longer than any of the other designs - was revised down from over a thousand to around 500 hulls. If Catalyst declared that half of all the corvettes ever made were ''Vincents'', I wouldn't be surprised - and that would mean the number of ''Vigilants'', ''Nightwings'', ''Trackers'', ''Bonaventures'' and ''Pintos'' produced would need to be in the order of 70 hulls each to balance out. Corvettes really are a designation divided into two halves - ''Vincents'' and everything else. I think I might hunt around for referneces for the article, though - I'm not convinced of where the weight limits came from, and there are some serious oddities in there. The ''Cruiser'' is officially a heavy cruiser, despite the fact that it's only 90k tons heavier than the ''Vincent''. The ''Vincent'' was the first corvette to be introduced in canon via TRO:2750, and was 200k tons lighter than the next ship up, the ''Essex'', with the ''Lola III'' another 60k tons heavier still. I think the ''Vincent'' is definitely at the top end of the corvette range in terms of weight, but it is effectively the definitive corvette, and the other ships introduced between 250k tons and 450k tons are all specialist carriers and transports. I think there's been a lot of class creep - cruisers occupy a huge range of weights, and overlap with some frigates and destroyers. But I'm rambling now... [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 10:14, 5 February 2014 (PST)
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| − | ==FM:3145==
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| − | I noticed that Aldous has been re-adding info removed because it is under Moratorium, and I wondered if it mattered enough for me to remove all the info (specifically ones from FM:3145) for the two days until it is cleared. -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 10:20, 16 February 2014 (PST)
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| − | :[[Policy:Moratorium]] is a self-imposed policy, not something we're obliged to follow. Therefore I'd say leave it as it is. You might want to notify Aldous of the fact that his edits have been in violation of this policy though. I'm in a bit of a rush myself and cannot look into matters right now. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 12:11, 16 February 2014 (PST)
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| − | ::Okay, thanks for clearing that up; I'll be sure to notify him then. -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 12:18, 16 February 2014 (PST)
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| − | ==BattleSpace (Answer)==
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| − | Hi Frabby, here your [[User_talk:Wrangler#BattleSpace_rulebook.28s.29|answer]]. Short version is Yes, there was two books. I think the English version maybe been lengthier than your (i believe) German version. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] ([[User talk:Wrangler|talk]]) 19:30, 6 July 2014 (PDT)
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| − | ::Sorry for the late [[User_talk:Wrangler#BattleSpace_rulebook.28s.29|response]]. Short version, Broken's version maybe match for one i have, two documents in one electronic package. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] ([[User talk:Wrangler|talk]]) 11:52, 22 July 2014 (PDT)
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| − | :::Just spotted this - I compared my electronic and physical copies, and the electronic copy is faithful scan of the book in the box set. The confusion arises because the book in the box set is internally subdivided into two books, complete with their own indices, with no explanatory note - meaning if you're working from an electronic copy in isolation, it's entirely reasonable to think that there are two books stuck together in the one file. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 00:11, 18 August 2014 (PDT)
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| − | ==Reseen==
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| − | The Reseen may have new artwork, but they still represent the same 'mech. There is no separate page for any of the Reseen 'mechs on here. As a compromise I simply deleted the line, to match the other Reseen 'mech pages. --[[User:Trifler|Trifler]] ([[User talk:Trifler|talk]]) 16:01, 17 August 2014 (PDT)
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| − | :Well, yes and no. The reseen represent how one particular new variant of the 'Mech looks, and subseqently published variants conveniently used the reseen art as a baseline, to avoid the unseen problem. It's still the same 'Mech family though, and in the article we aim to present the first real-world image associated with the 'Mech which in the case of the unseen is their original unseen image from the first TROs or boxed sets. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 02:20, 18 August 2014 (PDT)
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| − | ::Not sure if you've seen it yet, but I wrote a reply to what you wrote on my talk page. --[[User:Trifler|Trifler]] ([[User talk:Trifler|talk]]) 18:35, 20 August 2014 (PDT)
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| − | ==Extra Sentence==
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| − | Hey Frabby, I noticed that on the [[Richard Humphreys]] page there is an extra sentence at the bottom, which causes an error because there are refs within it. Should it be moved up to a certain part of the page, or removed altogether? -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 10:03, 1 September 2014 (PDT)
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| − | :D'oh. I copied it there because it was a reference that I didn't need for this article, but which I wanted to keep would come in handy for another article down the road (on Evelyn Humphreys). Steven and Evelyn's surnames weren't mentioned in most of the available material, so for the longest time I couldn't be sure if Steven was actually a Humphreys (and thus, a legitimate accepted son of Richard) because I didn't see it spelled out anywhere. Finding his daughter Evelyn named as a Humphreys was a crutch at first, until I found that one reference naming Steven a Humphreys directly. I didn't need Evelyn's quote anymore at that point, but figured it should be put in her (yet-to-be-written) article because it was so hard to find. Long story short, I copypasta'd it below the actual article for further reference... and forgot it there. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 11:57, 1 September 2014 (PDT)
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| − | ::Okay I removed it. Thanks for the explanation! -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 12:32, 1 September 2014 (PDT)
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| − | ==Mercenary's Star==
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| − | I just saw that you reverted my edit to the article for the Mercenary's Star novel, and wondered why. Looking at the page, the current ref leaves a cite error, but when the info is moved to the Notes section and the ref tags removed, then it is all better. In its current state, you cannot normally tell what the ref is trying to say. I didn't put a references/ tag because those don't belong on those pages. -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 12:32, 1 September 2014 (PDT)
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| − | :Ah, ok - I missed that there was no References section. The point is, the novel is lacking dates but its timeframe has been established through other sources. Consequentially, the correct timeframe is given in the infobox but needs to get a reference to its outside source. In such a case, I have no problem whatsoever with putting a Reference section even into product pages, when those external references provide relevant data that isn't in the product itself. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 23:40, 1 September 2014 (PDT)
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| − | ::Okidoki. Sorry that it had to be overcomplicated. -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 14:33, 2 September 2014 (PDT)
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| − | == Les Dorscheid Portfolio ==
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| − | Hi Frabby,<br>
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| − | I think you and I may have discussed this before, but I can't remember where. There are a couple of portfolios of BattleTech art by Les Dorscheid up on eBay; it's listed as Gallery Set One, with the BattleTech logo and the copyright information for FASA on it. You can see them here: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Battletech-A-Portfolio-By-Les-Dorscheid-/390740143814?pt=UK_Books_Comics_Magazines_US_Comics_ET&hash=item5af9ed6ec6 - my question is, should that be listed here as a BattlTech item? (It may be already, but I couldn't find it via the artist's bio page here, so it might just need re-tagging). I know the name "BattleTech Gallery One" is a bit vague, in that it might be the first gallery of art by Les Dorscheid for BattleTech, or it may be the first of a series of BattleTech Gallery sets by a range of artists, but it feels like something we should have listed here, given that we include things like that very dodgy fanfic novel... [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 14:10, 21 September 2014 (PDT)
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| − | :Yes, I do remember this popping up in the past. I've seen those items on Ebay as well, plus there's individual Earl Geier artwork sold on German Ebay. The portfolio finally got a decent description in the link you posted, where it's described as a signed limited (2500 units) edition of six art pieces. You can zoom in the cover to see "Published with permission from FASA" and "published by S.Q. Productions Inc.". I reckon these are more "Les Dorscheid" products than proper "BattleTech" products, but they definitely fall under our [[Policy:Notability]] and should be included. As for canonicity, this product as such is non-canonical but does meet the criteria for [[meta-source]]. I'll see if I can find the time tonight to put together an article based on that ebay link of yours. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 23:50, 21 September 2014 (PDT)
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| − | ::I don't know if this is odd or amusing, but there's another copy of that portfolio on sale on the US version of eBay, from a different seller, with the exact same image - right down to the number on the certificate of authenticity. The fact that they're published "with permission" from FASA would suggest that they're affiliated products, but the fact that it's clearly marked as BattleTech Gallery One makes me wonder if it was something sponsored by FASA. I wonder if it's worth me asking over on the official forum if the LD knows anything about that line of products... [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 00:04, 22 September 2014 (PDT)
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| − | :::It's always worth taking that potshot at getting an answer... though I doubt anyone at CGL could tell you today if or what deal FASA had with Les Dorscheid or SQP Inc. back in the day. Or why these Portfolios spring up only now (I first saw one on Ebay in ca. 2010, but never before). [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 00:27, 22 September 2014 (PDT)
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| − | Frabby - I'm really digging the new infobox you used for [[Hanse Davion]]. Over time, I think it can literally improve hundreds of articles. Have a [[File:SubAdd 2bol.jpg|Substantial Addition Award, 3rd ribbon]] on me. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] ([[User talk:ClanWolverine101|talk]]) 02:23, 4 October 2014 (PDT)
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| − | :Thanks. :) [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 01:44, 6 October 2014 (PDT)
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| − | I continued the discussion [[User talk:BobTheZombie/Project Video Games|here]] about what to do with those lines. Please chip in if you can. -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 19:20, 21 October 2014 (PDT)
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| − | == Empires Aflame ==
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| − | Hi Frabby, I have a quick question for you. As a new product, should ''[[Empires Aflame]]'' be under a moratorium? I'm conscious that it's available for free, so there's perhaps no financial loss to CGL if we put details up here, but I'm not sure if it's status as a Hallowe'en freebie overrides the general stance on including detail from recently-published sources here on Sarna. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 14:35, 8 November 2014 (PST)
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| − | :[[Policy:Moratorium]] doesn't apply to free products. Which makes sense, given that its purpose is to avoid spoiling products which are being sold for money. Conversely, freebie products are of a promotional nature and can thus be covered immediately on Sarna. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 14:38, 8 November 2014 (PST)
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| − | ::On that note, since XTRO:RF has been declared as canon, should its included 'Mech Variants be added to the associated battlemech pages?
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| − | ::The other April Fool's Products do not have any information on Sarna aside from their summaries and tables of contents. [[User:Amaroq Dricaldari|Amaroq Dricaldari]] ([[User talk:Amaroq Dricaldari|talk]]) 08:39, 11 July 2016 (PDT)
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| − | :::Yes, since XTRO:RF is fully canon the 'Mechs could be mentioned as official variants. Given that they are quite unique refits I'm personally not convinced that they are notable enough, but it would certainly not be wrong. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 08:50, 11 July 2016 (PDT)
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| − | Frabby, the infobox is broken.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] ([[User talk:Doneve|talk]]) 13:16, 12 November 2014 (PST)
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| − | :Fixed. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 01:12, 13 November 2014 (PST)
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| − | Following on from the poll results, I'd like to get the Planets Project moving again. Rev's life has clearly kept him from being able to push the project forward, and the current state of play is that I posted up the revised proposed template here [[BattleTechWiki_talk:Planet_Article_Overhaul|here]] two-and-a-half years ago, and the result was just three of us commenting. Do you still have a fundamental objection to the affiliation list with dates remaining in the article? Only since you and I had that conversation, the editing history of planets is basically Doneve/me adding more data points, me adding narrative detail when I work through books, and nobody else really doing anything specific to planets, so at the moment we're not getting the narrative you want, the narrative and data points I want or much participation beyond the normal jogging. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 10:01, 19 November 2014 (PST)
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| − | :Good question BM. Iam in work to update the owner history, but very slow, i hope we can found a clear consensus.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] ([[User talk:Doneve|talk]]) 10:06, 19 November 2014 (PST)
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| − | :::Turning the planet articles into system articles was the whole idea behind the exercise, wasn't it? ;) I don't mind the lack of detail at all. Changing planet articles into system articles is a huge and important change to boot, and it doesn't make much difference if the item you're lacking detail on is a planet or a system. Also, look at it this way: Unimportant, un-detailed systems are bound to be less interesting to users whereas high-profile systems tend to have a lot of detail on them available. It's really systems like [[Hesperus]] that should shape the article layout. That said, if certain text headers remain empty then you don't have to have them in the article. Think of the layout as a tool to make your life easier, not a form to make your life miserable. Ignore it where it doesn't help you. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 00:36, 18 December 2014 (PST)
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| − | ::::It seems to be working fairly well at the moment - Doneve and I have started rolling the template out, and I've changed a few minor things as I get more practised. Where there's nothing in print about the system, I've started marking them as having one habitable world ''or construct'' rather than simply at least one habitable planet, because I don't think we can be certain that they aren't significant systems in the same way that the [[Gulf Breeze]] system is, with it's inhabited mining station, or the Periphery system where the settlement is built around a recharging station with DropShips stuck on it. I'm not entirely comfortable with having an "as at -current year-" statement in the header, but it does make it easier for casual readers to work out where the world is, particularly for those that we don't have maps for yet - although in practise, I'm using either 2750, 2765 or 3145 as the current year. One specific problem I hit is [[Achernar]], though - there's a lot of information in the planetary info section in the current article with no citations. Some of the detail looks sort of right from what I could find in texts like Dark Age Republic Worlds (3130), but there's a lot of information I can't find a source for. I don't have a lot of the novels though (or any of the Dark Age novels) and I've only got a small percentage of the BattleCorps shorts. Could you take a look and see if you can identify the source information? I've checked and it doesn't look like it comes from BattleTechnology, which was my first thought, but I think that the Call to Arms novel might be set on Achernar, and I think there's a Decision at Achernar short that I don't have a copy of that may have supplied the detail. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 00:49, 18 December 2014 (PST)
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| − | :::::The Chaos Irregulars short story is actually titled ''[[Decision at Acamar]]'' and has nothing to do with Achernar. ''[[A Call to Arms]]'' is indeed set on Achernar, but I haven't read most of the DA novels yet including this one. I suspect most information comes from this novel though. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 01:18, 18 December 2014 (PST)
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| − | :::::I checked ''[[A Call to Arms]]'', and you are right Frabby, the most info comes from the Novel, but i know iam not a fluff writer i hope any other can step in and add some infos and references from the source.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] ([[User talk:Doneve|talk]]) 01:34, 18 December 2014 (PST)
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| − | ::::::I hate to say it, but I'm not going to rush out, buy A Call to Arms and read it for the sake of the article. I know my commitment is lacking, but so is money... and I'd rather buy the new Succession Wars books that are coming up ;) [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 03:58, 18 December 2014 (PST)
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| − | :::::::I can added the info from A Call to Arms (but from the german novel), i hope anyone can check the speeling and grammers ;).--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] ([[User talk:Doneve|talk]]) 04:40, 18 December 2014 (PST)
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| − | ::::::::I can do that! I'm off out to a Christmas lunch (and have been drinking a very agreeable Cabernet Merlot blend all morning) but I'll take a look at the article tonight or tomorrow. Remind me to give you an award for assisting an admin in a time of need (and intoxication!) [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 05:15, 18 December 2014 (PST)
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| − | :::::::::I think I have the english Epub version of ''A Call to Arms'' on my HD (I got a bunch of DA novels in print and an even bigger bunch as Epub, and legit I may add but like I said I didn't read them all yet). Maybe I'll make that book my next novel project then.<br />BrokenMnemonic, what new Succession Wars era novels are you talking about? Did I miss anything? [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 05:18, 18 December 2014 (PST)
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| − | ::::::::::Not novels, I'm afraid - I'm thinking of Historical: First Succession War (and hopefully others to follow). I love their Historicals series with a passion, and now we're getting ones for the Succession Wars, so it's going to be like Christmas over and over again. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 11:48, 18 December 2014 (PST)
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| − | I stumbled upon the discussion we had about the line at the tops of those weapon pages again, and I decided to go though and delete them. Retrospectively, I think it is better without them. Just wanted to let you know. -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 19:27, 9 January 2015 (PST)
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| − | Good idea Frabby, I agree that a single page might work better. I'll fill out a generic [[Turning Points (series)|Turning Points]] article with the Historicals and add the other series over the coming week when I get time. That way anyone who's interested can find a list of all the Turning Points PDFs and what each of them deals with.
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| − | As the custodian of canonicity here on Sarna, you may find a post on the [http://bg.battletech.com/forums/errata/master-unit-list-(mul)-online-database-read-the-first-post/msg1033032/#msg1033032 Canonicity of the MUL] produced by Welshman of interest - something to add to our policy on canonicity, perhaps? [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 04:50, 18 February 2015 (PST)
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| − | :Thanks for pointing me to this message. It is indeed interesting. But I don't see any noteworthy change to existant policy there that would warrant a change or addition to our article or policy concerning Canon. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 06:31, 18 February 2015 (PST)
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| − | ::I was thinking more that it would be useful to record for clarification purposes, in case in the future we get people querying why details are "wrong" here in comparison to a particular source - I like being able to point people at direct rulings. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 07:44, 18 February 2015 (PST)
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| − | :::The general problem is that you can never be sure if an omission on the MUL is an error or an oversight. The MUL cannot in good conscience claim that it is the definitive canon source simply because that would technically de-canonize units that have not yet been entered, to say nothing of possible errors. I wouldn't consider it any more canon than any other product. Still, I'll check if the posting you linked above should be worked into the MUL article. Need to think about it. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 12:15, 18 February 2015 (PST)
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| − | ==Speaking of Canon : Tactical Handbook==
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| − | Near as I can tell the Tactical Handbook counts as canon under the definitions, even if some of the technology was not included in later publications. I have made pages for the [[Caseless AC/2]], [[Caseless AC/5]], [[Caseless AC/10]] and [[Caseless AC/20]] as the stats of a couple of those in THB were different than a standard AC with different ammo. The results of a failure were also substantially different. In the fluff I merely mentioned that they were exceedingly rare and may not have ever been produced, but it is hard to cite the absence of something. If you could take a look at these and tell me if this description fits the style and whether or not the Caseless AC's are apocryphal or not. Thanks. -- [[User:LRichardson|LRichardson]] 12:50, 19 February 2015 (PST)
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| − | : I remember paying good money for that book, only to have all the equipment declared illegal a year or two later. Years later, most of it was brought back, though sometimes with changes.
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| − | : I'm not at all bitter at FASA. Nope. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] ([[User talk:ClanWolverine101|talk]]) 20:08, 13 August 2015 (PDT)
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| − | Hi Frabby,<br>
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| − | I was just reading your article on the ''Norseman'', and I'm a little nervous about you categorising the ship as a ''Star Lord'' by implication in the absence of a definitive statement to that effect. With other ship articles where the class of a ship is implied but not confirmed, I've been leaving the class field blank but including the detail implicating a particular class of ship in the notes field, so as to avoid any suggestion of "making things up". I'm possibly being overly-sensitive after seeing a few arguments on the CGL forum about editors on Sarna presenting opinions as fact, and I think you've made a good case for the ''Norseman'' being a ''Star Lord'', but you don't have definitive proof at the moment. Can I suggest that you pitch an "Ask The Writers" question detailing why you think the ''Norseman'' was a ''Star Lord'' and asking for confirmation, so that you can then link the question to the article and state in the article that you're presuming the ship class to be ''Star Lord'' until clarification is given? I think we'd be on safer ground then. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 03:13, 9 March 2015 (PDT)
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| − | :You're basically correct. That said, besides the ''Star Lord'' there were only three ''Scout''s and I think a ''Scout'' cannot be refitted with a LF battery and still have a hardpoint. For me it's established beyond reasonable doubt that the ''Norseman'' was the ''Star Lord'' in that fleet... and for "unreasonable doubts" I have included the note clarifying that there is a tiny chance that this is incorrect. If you're still uncomfortable then you're welcome to change the article and I won't object. As for "Ask the Writers", I honestly don't think they can be bothered to answer that one. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 03:26, 9 March 2015 (PDT)
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| − | ::I debated posing an Ask the Writers question, but after looking at the decline in the number of clarification questions I've asked that actually get answers, I decided it was probably a waste of effort. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 01:28, 26 March 2015 (PDT)
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| − | Mendrugo has posted a list of system names that differ from the colony names used on maps in the books, which I've copied and pasted here:
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| − | * "NSC E 4-008-332" for [[Alcyone]]
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| − | * "Gamma 2-Sagittarius" for [[Alnasl]] ([[Alnasi]]?)
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| − | * "Xi Ursae Majoris" for [[Alula Australis]] (actioned)
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| − | * "Pan" for [[Arcadia]]
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| − | * "Zeta Sagittarius" for [[Ascella]]
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| − | * "2112-8845 A" for [[Augustine]]
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| − | * "EC-EY-4189" for [[Boltin]]
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| − | * "Helios" for [[Circe]]
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| − | * "Epsilon Pegasus" for [[Columbus]]
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| − | * "Vaj" for [[Crevidia]] ([[Crevedia]]?)
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| − | * "Alpha Ursae Majoris" for [[Dubhe]]
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| − | * "Din Quan" for [[Gan Singh]]
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| − | * "KA-418" for [[Garrote]] ([[Garotte]]?)
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| − | * "Ember" for [[Ovan]]
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| − | * "Delta Taurus" for [[Shiloh]]
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| − | * "Rodina" for [[Strana Mechty]]
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| − | As this is something of a passion of yours, are you able to indicate where the references detailing the system names may be? I've been doing some work on confirming uncited information as I slog through the planets updates where I've got a good idea of where the information is, but for the changes above - at least as far down the list as Boltin - I've either not noticed it or am unaware of it. I'd prefer to get the articles updated correctly, but I'm already looking at approximately 20 months of work at my current pace to update all of the planet articles to the new format, and I don't really want to start chasing down names that may only be detailed in areas like BattleCorps fiction I don't have access to. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 01:28, 26 March 2015 (PDT)
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| − | :Thanks for the notification. Some of these I know, some of these I dimly remember, many I haven't heard of before. I'll go and pester Mendrugo about his sources. I could have sworn that I had entered some to Sarna already, such as Weisau - it got a detailed "Worldbook" writeup in BattleTechnology (now apocryphal) naming the binary suns Orpheus and Eurydice, and the inhabited planet Brimstone; only the system as a whole is named Weisau according to that writeup. Looking over the article, however, it seems I didn't actually add the info. I definitely need to update these articles. Btw, though this should go without saying, you rock for the work on planet (harrumph, System!) articles. Hope Doneve can go help you out again soon (quite a topic of its own). [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 03:35, 26 March 2015 (PDT)
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| − | There's an interesting statement [http://bg.battletech.com/forums/aerospace-combat/canon-warship-list/msg1070280/#msg1070280 here] from Øystein regarding the canon status of the Falcon and the Wolf sourcebook. It's rather interesting, given the place in the timeline the book occupies between the various Clan sourcebooks, but I think we should perhaps annotate the sourcebook article as a warning to editors. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 11:33, 18 May 2015 (PDT)
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| − | :Thanks for pointing this out. I note, though, that the thread in question was not posted in either "Ask the Writers" nor "Ask the Lead Developers" and as such merely gives Øystein's opinion on the matter, and not technically a ruling on canon. That is to say, he effectively only pointed out that ''The Wolf and the Falcon'' is a particularly error-ridden book. Herb made similar statements before about ''Luthien'', ''Objective Raids'' and a third product that I can't remember. They remain canonical sources, even though very unreliable ones - canonical only where no other source contradicts them, so to say. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 00:21, 19 May 2015 (PDT)
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| − | ::Swell. I just wrote an article - [[Marialle Radick]] - that used ''The Wolf and the Falcon'' as a major source. :P
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| − | ::In fairness to myself, i also noted three glaring discrepencies in my notes section of the article.
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| − | ::With respect to the book, I would suggest we simply note that there are major errors in the article's Notes section. Calling the whole book apocryphal is several steps too far for me. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] ([[User talk:ClanWolverine101|talk]]) 20:05, 13 August 2015 (PDT)
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| − | ==Present vs. Past Tense in Articles==
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| − | Sorry for the long delay; I made a short [https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1b9mvBOCMJDOacnTujvB97VzeaJJvlo57gAVqQY52e8k/viewform survey]. Tell me if you think any of the wording should be changed, otherwise go ahead and fill it out. -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 09:47, 24 May 2015 (PDT)
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| − | P.S. You can put the link on the minor news section of the front page if you want more editors/readers to find it. -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 22:46, 25 May 2015 (PDT)
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| − | :Good idea. I'm not entirely happy with the wording of the survey though; let me get back to you about that when I got a spare minute. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 00:40, 26 May 2015 (PDT)
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| − | ::Email sent. -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 21:35, 26 June 2015 (PDT)
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| − | == Development of IO ==
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| − | You've probably already seen this, but if you haven't, Herb's written quite an interesting post on the recent development history of ''[[Interstellar Operations]]''. It's up on the CGL forum [http://bg.battletech.com/forums/general-discussion/new-and-upcoming-releases-vol-iii-what's-next/msg1087180/#msg1087180 here]. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 23:39, 25 June 2015 (PDT)
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| − | :Nothing really new in there though. I'm in the factchecker group, and as such I've seen (and participated in) some of the work process. Sarna will have to go over this tome with a very fine-toothed comb given all the hard data we're going to get. :) [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 02:50, 26 June 2015 (PDT)
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| − | == Sarna as a Writing Resource ==
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| − | Given how infrequently Sarna gets any praise, you might like to have a quick scan through the chat log posted up by a couple of the BattleCorps writers [http://bg.battletech.com/forums/novel-and-sourcebook-reviews/harvest-of-deception-and-a-moment-of-honesty-(yes-they're-battlecorps-stories)/msg98713/?topicseen#new here] where Sarna gets a shout-out as a non-canon but useful source. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 01:25, 8 July 2015 (PDT)
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| − | : :) Though Craig has been using art taken from Sarna (and tagged as such) in his blog for a long time. I get feedback from a great many people using Sarna as a BT resource - my feeling is that we've achieved the status of being "the" BT wiki. It's pretty much a community fixture now. People rarely praise what they perceive as granted, but conversely we're getting better at not getting slammed, too. ;) [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 02:16, 8 July 2015 (PDT)
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| − | ::: It is a very nice feeling to know we are literally making the BT universe better with our work. On the note of the BattleCorps stories, do they have a moratorium period like everything else?--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 07:43, 10 July 2015 (PDT)
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| − | :::: Hehehe sarna rules, i know sarna became some critics in the last years in the BT forum, but we are on a good way to give sarna what it is, a wiki for anyone they love BattleTech and his background, and this is great :).--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] ([[User talk:Doneve|talk]]) 08:55, 10 July 2015 (PDT)
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| − | :::::This makes me happy. I want to say thank you to you guys above ^ for being awesome contributors and adding thousands of pages to the wiki. You guys built this thing up from the ground, I merely stumbled upon it. I'm truly grateful that you people have done the bulk of making this wiki prosper, and have allowed me to help out in my little ways {{emoticon|:)}} -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 13:28, 10 July 2015 (PDT)
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| − | In response to Dmon, yes, the [[Policy:Moratorium]] does apply to BattleCorps publications. You can add a stub article right away, but no plot summary or other spoiler-y content yet. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 04:54, 11 July 2015 (PDT)
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| − | I'm not sure if you saw it, but [http://bg.battletech.com/forums/clan-chatterweb/clan-fire-mandrill-mechs-and-info/msg1101188/#msg1101188 Worktroll just cited us] as "a really useful resource" and "a great way to see a high-level overview of what's out there." He also pointed out that we aren't perfect, but it's always good for us to have goals! [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 07:11, 27 August 2015 (PDT)
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| − | :Well, yeah - we're the BattleTechWiki, after all. :) German author Bernd Perplies also cited Sarna as a valuable reference and factchecking tool in the acknowledgement section of his novel ''[[Die Kanonen von Thunder Rock]]''. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 07:44, 27 August 2015 (PDT)
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| − | Hi Frabby, i removed the plagiarized content from the page, why do you added it again and removed [[User:Cyc|Cyc]]'s content and ref.notes?--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] ([[User talk:Doneve|talk]]) 00:52, 9 July 2015 (PDT)
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| − | :I did? Oops, sorry - wasn't intentional. I only wanted to add ''Betrayal of Ideals'' to the bibliography and clicked "Edit" from the "recent changes" view. Apparently what happened is that I edited the older version with the removed content still in it. I think. I'll go back and fix it. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 00:58, 9 July 2015 (PDT)
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| − | There's a thread runing on the forum [http://bg.battletech.com/forums/general-discussion/what-awesome-or-rare-b-tech-products-do-you-have/ here] that I think would make for very fertile ground if you want to try and persuade people to give us details/photos/articles on some of the rare items out there. Iron Sphinx apparently has some items like pasteboards that formed the masters for some of the early maps and some of the early convention displays, for example - little bits of history I think it'd be great if we could preserve images of on here. I'd offer to do it, but people actually like you on the forums {{emoticon| ;) }} [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 05:59, 18 July 2015 (PDT)
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| − | :Hm [[Iterstallarj Operatins]] woks.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] ([[User talk:Doneve|talk]]) 15:56, 20 October 2016 (PDT)
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| − | Hi Frabby, can you comment on the [[Talk:Orca]] for me? I just posted something there. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] ([[User talk:Wrangler|talk]]) 13:15, 22 July 2015 (PDT)
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| − | Now iam stumpled accros Chris Wheeler IS Atlas. Now is the question i want to contact him, if i can to use his planet discriptions here on sarna? Any idea how i can contact him from which sources he added the description if its ok to do this or not, or when you have contact to him can you do this, your enghlish is must better, thanks.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] ([[User talk:Doneve|talk]]) 00:01, 26 July 2015 (PDT)
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| − | :Which atlas is it, can you provide a link? I'm traveling right now and using my smartphone which I hate. I'll be back to my computer wednesday. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 00:23, 26 July 2015 (PDT)
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| − | ::Here is the link [http://isatlas.teamspam.net/planet-detail.php?planet=2075223].--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] ([[User talk:Doneve|talk]]) 00:30, 26 July 2015 (PDT)
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| − | :::Ah, that's the old TeamSpam Atlas. We can't use it, as the fluff is copied verbatim from the old Housebooks and other (mostly) FASA-era sourcebooks. A [[meta-source]] full of copyrighted yet unsourced texts. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 02:27, 26 July 2015 (PDT)
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| − | ::::Okidoki, thanks for the answer.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] ([[User talk:Doneve|talk]]) 02:42, 26 July 2015 (PDT)
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| − | Frabby - Please check [[Marialle Radick]]. I decided to use the infobox i saw on the [[Hanse Davion]] entry. Should we make this standard? [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] ([[User talk:ClanWolverine101|talk]]) 14:15, 8 August 2015 (PDT)
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| − | :Yes, it was initially my intention to have this infobox as standard for all characters. After all, we have established standard infoboxes for various types of vehicles including 'Mechs, for factions, for real people, and whatnot so I figured we needed something for characters as well. However, in the case of many minor characters the infobox would remain pretty empty so I reckon there are many articles where it doesn't make sense to have. That's why I was hesitant to make it standard. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 05:39, 9 August 2015 (PDT)
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| − | ::That's totally fine. Look at wikipedia. RL people of particular import often get infoboxes, while others do not.
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| − | ::So i propose we make it standard for major characters. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] ([[User talk:ClanWolverine101|talk]]) 06:26, 9 August 2015 (PDT)
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| − | :::Hy guys, i forgot totally the character infobox, i start to update some bios with the infobox, a new project is what i need, the planet overhaul suck me out.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] ([[User talk:Doneve|talk]]) 09:05, 9 August 2015 (PDT)07:39, 9 August 2015 (PDT)
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| − | ::::We missed you Doneve! :D [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] ([[User talk:ClanWolverine101|talk]]) 09:19, 9 August 2015 (PDT)
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| − | :::::Yo Doneve, how're you doing? I fixed your problem on the [[Patrick Scoffins]] article. The problem was that you forgot to close the bracket on the year links in the infobox for birth/death, i.e. <nowiki>[[2708]</nowiki>, making the entire rest of the article one huge wiki link and never closing the infobox template.<br />It's cool if you're going to insert the infobox into suitable character articles, though I do feel a bit bad for BrokenMnemonic if the tedious system updating work falls solely on his shoulders fortwith. If and when I'm done with reworking Ship Class and Individual Ship articles and categories I'll go and help BM with the systems. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 11:40, 9 August 2015 (PDT)
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| − | :::::::Thanks Frabby to fix my tomatos ;). Oh i don't forgot the planet overhaul and BM, but a little break i must do, i dream from the coordinates spreadsheet and that's not good, in this advice cheers.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] ([[User talk:Doneve|talk]]) 12:27, 9 August 2015 (PDT)
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| − | Hello Frabby, I noticed you had started with the name changes. I've been moving which has taken up an absurd amount of my time and I just now got the internet working. I was wondering if you could tell me where we are now since I've missed a week or so/exactly what I could do to help. It's nice to be back. -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 18:38, 23 August 2015 (PDT)
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| − | :Nice to have you back Bob! As for the name changes, I've finished (I think) all class categories and am now working through [[:Category:Individual Spacecraft]] letter by letter. I managed to finish "C" yesterday and haven't yet started on "D".
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| − | :The routine goes like this: Any article with a diambiguation in its title (anything with brackets really) gets renamed to "'''''Name'' (Individual ''class''-class ''type'')'''", where ''class''-class is left out if unknown, and type is either Small Craft (none yet), DropShip, JumpShip, WarShip, or "spacecraft" for those where not even the type is known or for special cases like the ''Altair'' class.
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| − | :To rename, I move the page & talk page with a redirect and then delete the pointless redirect from the original talk page. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 23:54, 23 August 2015 (PDT)
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| − | Hi Frabby, I know you love a challenge, so I thought you might enjoy this one - how do you fancy doing the individual ship entry for the named DropShip depicted in the illustration on page 2 of ''[[Field Manual: Crusader Clans]]''? [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 03:38, 16 September 2015 (PDT)
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| − | :You've got to be kidding me - "FASA"?! (facepalm). What class of ship is that anyways? [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 03:53, 16 September 2015 (PDT)
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| − | ::I've just taken a quick look through the DropShip images we have on here, and it doesn't look like any of them - that combination of short and long quadrilateral plates around the midline is distinctive, and not in any of the pictures here. The ridged areas below them might - might - be bay doors (the Seeker has something similar) but the engine pod visible at the bottom is quite distinctive too, and also doesn't match anything else I can find. I wonder if we have a FASA disambiguation page on here yet, what with the Pentagon World, and the academy on Finmark, and... [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 04:26, 16 September 2015 (PDT)
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| − | You talk this to me:
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| − | :When moving a mainspace article, I usually also move the talk page but I then go back and delete the Talk Page redirect from the old article, as it's not needed for anything.
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| − | But the problem is i cant delete pages only admins can do this, i found a lot of pages there can be deleted, i dont want to be come a admin, but is there any way to change this, hmm Nic must involded in this.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] ([[User talk:Doneve|talk]]) 04:06, 20 September 2015 (PDT)
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| − | Hi Frabby. I know it's not canon source, but its actually monitor except in name. The WarShip in [[Welcome to Nebula California]], the Imperial Destroyer is technically Monitor type vessel. I'm not sure if you want mention that in your Monitor article. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] ([[User talk:Wrangler|talk]]) 13:44, 14 October 2015 (PDT)
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| − | :Herb expressly declared the Nebula California April Fools publication non-canonical in its entirety. Nothing in there belongs into the BT universe, and thus I don't think these ships deserve mention elsewhere on Sarna. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 14:04, 14 October 2015 (PDT)
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| − | Since those are from a video game, shouldn't the info you're adding to the pages be surrounded by [http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Help:Template_gallery#Article_Maintenance apocryphal tags]? -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 12:39, 21 October 2015 (PDT)
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| − | :Yes... basically. I've actually done it in a few cases. But the tags cannot be used inside the infobox (frequently for planetary populations) and in some cases the MW1 writeup is basically all there is on a given system. But now that you're calling me out on it, I agree that I was just being sloppy. Thanks for keeping me honest. I'll add the tags in from now on but I'll probably not be able to go back through the list and insert them in the articles I've already done as I only have a little desk time left today. :( [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 12:49, 21 October 2015 (PDT)
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| − | ::I don't mean to burden you; I can pick up the older ones too. You know how I just love to add those tags {{emoticon | ;) }} -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 15:01, 21 October 2015 (PDT)
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| − | :::Wait, I just noticed something else: shouldn't "[[MechWarrior (1989 Video Game)]]" be added to all the bibliographies? If so, I can surely do that for you. -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 15:17, 21 October 2015 (PDT)
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| − | ::::I made a conscious decision not to list the game under "Bibliography" because it has so little information (population, environment, one-liner). I had refrained from using this apocryphal information at all and only reconsidered following a recent forum thread about Land's End, a world with literally no other published info anywhere else. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 23:14, 21 October 2015 (PDT)
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| − | :::::If we have enough information about a planet to include a populated infobox, then I'd honestly prefer to see the MW1 information in a notes section rather than the infobox, because of the problems with adding the apocryphal tags inside an infobox.
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| − | :::::I notice that in some cases, articles have both the system and planet sections of the articles populated, but the MW1 information is being put in the system section - that's the wrong location in that instance, because as it's information about a specific planet within that system it should go in the section for that planet - I'd suggest under planetary history sub-section, as it's providing information about that planet at a particular point in history - rather than in the system history. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 23:50, 21 October 2015 (PDT)
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| − | ::::::I think that's what I did (though I admit I was very tired yesterday and was called away a few times, so I may not have been very cosistent). The general idea was to add meaningful information from the MW1 game into planet/system articles where there was no other good information, and usually the descriptive one-liner was and environmental tag was as important as the population number. In those (not very many) cases, I copypasta'ed the "main" infoblock text with population and envinronment information, the one-liner if it held any meaningful information, and the disclaimers about the entry being apocryphal and the environment tag being only a very rough guideline. In many other cases, only the population number was relevant (planets that already had a good or better writeup for their environment etc.) and in those cases I put it into the InfoBox that was usually already present, with "(apocryphal)" and a reference to the MW1 game in place instead of the Apocryphal tags that can't be used inside the Infobox. Luckily, in many cases the game apparently took its numbers from the old housebooks and those are canonical sources for the (same) population numbers; in those cases I didn't have to include any MW1 information. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 01:56, 22 October 2015 (PDT)
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| − | :::::::So what's the final verdict on this then? -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 10:04, 24 October 2015 (PDT)
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| − | ::::::::I'll go back over those edits I did and make sure that
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| − | ::::::::a) ApocryphalContentStart/End tags are put in place in all cases except where only an infobox was updated (in which case it's still noted within the infobox, just not with those tags);
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| − | Frabby - For your review. [[Lucian Carns]]. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] ([[User talk:ClanWolverine101|talk]]) 21:19, 11 November 2015 (PST)
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| − | Hi Frabby, when you found time, please can you take a look on [[User talk:WarDog Mike]], you can better answer his questions, thanks.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] ([[User talk:Doneve|talk]]) 05:07, 28 November 2015 (PST)
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| − | :Thanks for the notification Doneve! I've added my two cents on his talk page. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 06:13, 28 November 2015 (PST)
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| − | Hi Frabby,<br>
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| − | I just wanted to let you know that we do know what happened to the SLS ''Hermes'' - it survived in Clan service and according to Field Manual: Warden Clans was in service as the ''[[Treachery]]''. There should've been a redirect up for SLS ''Hermes'' to the ''Treachery'', but I must've missed it when generating the ''Treachery'' article. Sorry about that! [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 03:30, 27 January 2016 (PST)
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| − | :Thanks for the info. I'll go and merge the articles then (and make a redirect for the ''Hermes''...) [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 03:37, 27 January 2016 (PST)
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| − | ::It looks like I remembered to set up a redirect for "SLS Hermes" but not for "Hermes". [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 04:40, 27 January 2016 (PST)
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| − | Frabby - Will Nic and the Admins be doing awards this year? [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] ([[User talk:ClanWolverine101|talk]]) 21:20, 27 January 2016 (PST)
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| − | Hi Frabby,<br>
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| − | * Do nothing and live with the risk (could cause us some embarassment)
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| − | * Start tagging apocryphally-sourced information with the ready-made tags in the timeline articles (which could make the timeline pages start looking a bit cluttered)
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| − | * Stop listing apocryphally-sourced information in the timeline pages (potentially removes interesting pieces of information for people).
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| − | I'm not sure that any of those is ideal, but I'm not comfortable with not having a discussion about it, so I thought I'd drop you a line here to get your thoughts. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 04:06, 11 February 2016 (PST)
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| − | :I obviously forgot to add the apocryphal tags in the Niomede article - duh. Will put them in shortly. It does say right at the beginning of the section, though, that the info comes from the apocryphal novel ''[[Karma]]''. :)
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| − | :As for the year pages, good catch. The tags are too unwieldy, imho, to include them in such a list (or an infobox, to give another example). But I feel the info should be presented, and it should be mentioned to be apocryphal. I think the way to go is to simply note "(apocryphal)" in the list or infobox, add a reference, and note again in the reference that the source in question is apocryphal.
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| − | :Finally, regarding Niomede specifically, the info about the world's rediscovery in the book is too vague to accurately point to 2990 so that entry in the year article is probably untrue. I suggest deleting it, or at least add a note to the effect that it was around but not neccessarily in that year. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 13:46, 11 February 2016 (PST)
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| − | I was just looking at your most recent change to the individual ships template; back when I first started working on the template, you argued about having dates relating to when a ship was in service in the infobox, because of problems with ships like the ''[[Zughoffer Weir]]'' and the other Blakist ships that had more than one period of service, including ships that had been listed as destroyed at least once, such as the ''[[Bordeaux]]''. I'm easy with either including or not including the dates, but I'm curious as to what changed your reasoning for objecting to including the dates back when the project to get all the ships onto Sarna started? [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 23:31, 17 February 2016 (PST)
| + | Have you read ''[[The Nellus Academy Incident]]''? I've just finished reading it, and there are a few details in it that are making the canon-processing part of my brain itch a little. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 16:49, 9 January 2021 (EST) |
| − | :I freely admit that I changed my mind here. The reason, I think, is the sheer mass of vessels we now have (over 1500 individual ship articles at this time, with way more to come) combined with the fact that we're lumping together ships like the ''[[Acari]]'', which was built between 3059 and 3066 and destroyed in 3066, with ships that were destroyed as early as sometimes in the Age of War. I found that I wanted a note in the infobox telling me at a glance when the ship in question stopped to be relevant (i.e. destroyed). And that in turn prompted me to include a construction/entering service date as well as it wouldn't make sense to include one date but not the other.<br />Note that these fields in the infobox are free text fields. Beyond a mere date, I'd like to have a brief explanation included so that there are no misunderstandings. The serviceuntil entry should thus read, for example "Destroyed 12 May 3066", or "Mothballed 2770, declared decayed beyond recovery in 2801" (I made up those examples). Obviously, more details would be in the article text. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 02:09, 18 February 2016 (PST) | + | :Read it via BattleCorps; I also have the PoD standing on my shelf. Was going to produce a proper article, but since it ultimately seems like a side story of little relevance it got pushed back. I think I know what itches your brain though. :) [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 01:33, 10 January 2021 (EST) |
| − | ::Assuming that I get some more spare time in the future, I want to start adding in more ships from some of the more recent publications, like the ''Leagues'' mentioned in Interstellar Ops. For my own peace of mind, could you tackle a few of the problem ships - like the ''Zug'' - and update the infoboxes for them, so that I can see what sort of format you're looking at using? That'll help me be consistent with future work. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 03:45, 18 February 2016 (PST) | + | ::I'm going to keep reading the author's books - it was a good YA SF read - but I singled out three things that felt anachronistic to me: sending messages to and from Nestor via the jump point of somewhere near Gienah without an HPG, the presence of a COM-2Dr ''Commando'' which is a Jihad-era refit according to TRO-3085 in a novel set in 3067 (with it being a well-known enough variant for FWL cadets to recognise) and the ending section where the four-hundred thousand tonne ''Monolith'' class JumpShip was accompanied by WarShips "more than twice its mass" which at the time, can only be the ''Fylgia'' and ''Yggdrasil'', which seemed a bit of a stretch... I'd been thinking of trying to write up the summary for the webpage, but I'm not sure how to reconcile novels being the highest level of canon with these odd details. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 03:13, 10 January 2021 (EST) |
| − | :::More ship articles is always good. :) I'll add a few dates to a few infoboxes shortly, but I just learned that I'll be away over the weekend and I have a lot of non-BT work to do until Tuesday. Don't expect much from me until then. Also, keep in mind that the purpose of infoboxes is to make everybody's life easier. In complicated cases, like those with convoluted service histories or arbitrary data, it may be wise to leave the infobox blank if there's no clear, concise entry that would do the situation justice. Or, if you're a completionist, you could even insert "See article" in the fields to highlight that it't not a clear-cut case. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 05:12, 18 February 2016 (PST)
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| − | Hi I've watched you tirelessly plug away at edits over the years and wanted to show my appreciation for your hard work. I noticed you do not have this award and I really think you should. I wish I could award it at a higher level! [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 05:59, 19 March 2016 (PDT)
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| − | :Why, thank you! [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 06:35, 19 March 2016 (PDT)
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| − | Sorry to bother you, but I was putting together a page for [['Mech (magazine)]] and adding scans of the covers. Unfortunately I added the wrong images to four files. I have now added the correct ones but I was wondering if you could delete the earlier erroneous versions on these files please - File:MechV2I2.jpg, File:MechV2I6.jpg, File:MechV2I7.jpg and File:MechV2I8.jpg
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| − | Lesson well and truly learnt about trying to upload too many at the same time! [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 05:39, 20 March 2016 (PDT)
| + | == Fortune Charlie == |
| | + | Hi Frabby, I have not re-read the books, but from what you say, I nevertheless thing temporarily we should keep the information there and link to Operation CERBERUS once done, otherwise this piece of lore would be easily forgotten (at least for me).--[[User:Pserratv|Pserratv]] ([[User talk:Pserratv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 January 2021 (EST) |
| | + | :Cerberus and its sub-commands is covered in quite some depth in the novella ''[[A Splinter of Hope]]''. If and when I get around to doing an article on Cerberus, Task Force Styx and Fortune Charlie within it will likely feature rather prominently. But I firmly believe Fortune Charlie should only be a redirect to the proper operation that it was a small part of. Calling Fortune Charlie a unit is at least misleading if not outright false, and as such I felt I couldn't just leave it there. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 04:57, 13 January 2021 (EST) |
| | + | ::I read it yesterday, and it is true what you say. As members of "Fortune Charlie", only one unit is spoken by name, the others are considered an assorted mix of units, like Jihad era conglomerate of small mercenary commands by Devlin Stone. |
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| − | :While there seems to be a function for deleting earlier versions of a file, it results in an error message for me. I'll flag this up with Nicj. Anyways, since you have uploaded the correct images now I reckon we can leave it alone for now. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 06:03, 20 March 2016 (PDT) | + | ::Once you have full article though, we should redirect this page to the section that specifically explains what "Fortune Charlie" represents.--[[User:Pserratv|Pserratv]] ([[User talk:Pserratv|talk]]) 05:22, 13 January 2021 (EST) |
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| − | :: OKay, thanks for the assistance :) [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 06:09, 20 March 2016 (PDT) | + | ==Emblematic Mech== |
| | + | Hello |
| | + | I finally take the time to write the [[Essay: Emblematic 'Mechs]] like you advise me to do almost a month ago (I had a lot of works before :(). I don't really feel like it's a true essay. I just extracted and centralized information dispersed in other articles, without putting thought or arguments. After, I have no idea if there is a better way to categorize it and you have far more knowledge on that than I. I would be very grateful if you can look at it and tell me what you think of it. |
| | + | [[User:Dermenore|Dermenore]] ([[User talk:Dermenore|talk]]) 16:48, 21 January 2021 (EST) |
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| − | == New Spammer Report == | + | ==Images for individual starships== |
| − | Hi Frabby , sorry me again so quickly but the following user [[User:Mxvbfdjv]] is actively spamming. Creating pages -Online USA !!1 844 655 0455 (norton t.e.c.h s.u.p.p.o.r.t p.h.o.n.e n.u.m.b.e.r norton h.e.l.p d.e.s.k n.u.m.b.e.r)- and -Outlook helpline ((I*844*655*O455))outlook technical support Phone Number outlook help desk phone number-. I deleted the content but thats all I can do. [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 12:47, 20 March 2016 (PDT)
| + | Hiya, I wanted to ask you to refrain from putting generic ship class images into articles about individual vessels, like in the ''[[Full Moon]]'' article. There is a less than 1% chance that this image is actually showing the ''Full Moon'' out of the 106 ''Potemkin''s ever built. Please only use images that are confirmed, or at least reasonably likely, to depict the specific vessel in question. I feel using generic images is like putting a regular ''Centurion'' image into the infobox of the ''Yen-Lo-Wang'' article just because ''Yen-Lo-Wang'' is a ''Centurion''. If there is no picture for a specific starship then so be it. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 15:07, 31 January 2021 (EST) |
| − | :Zap. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 13:26, 20 March 2016 (PDT) | + | ::Frappy, do you know the long ODDS of individual Warship picture to be created? Likelness is 1% it will ever be made. That's crazy Frabby. Unless something special is made, i think that sort policy is bit going too far. --[[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] ([[User talk:Wrangler|talk]]) 19:36, 4 February 2021 (EST) |
| | + | :::::I'm afraid this where we have to '''"Agree, to disagree"'''. This a Warship, not a person with thinking mind or a unique one-off vessel. You can't capture EVERYTHING. I think your being too specific. This my personal view. Specially with BattleTech, Warships are least love units aside from ProtoMechs by some element of our fandom/gamedom. Warship is a Warship unless it's a variant. Frabby, the thing is that Full Moon, is a Clan 3057 version. Technical Readout: 3057 Revised spells it out that Clans changed their ships in this specific case. Mk39 looks like old Vincent from 2750. That's been established. Yet there now 2 kinds of McKennas. Completely different, like much of 2750 ships such as with Aegis specially, but again. 3057 Revised spell out which one is which when it happened. I think your going too far with this. Mjolnir for instance looks same as the sister ship. There no individual pictures of now destroyed second ship. As again, i think your being too picky. I say again, "Agree, to disagree". Your one main editors now here, i'm just some body who helps out since i can't complete in editing and my work isn't as close to people who those who here daily. What you say goes, i personally thing your going too far on dead end subject. I will do as you say, i think your in wrong this. I don't want be banned. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] ([[User talk:Wrangler|talk]]) 15:44, 6 February 2021 (EST) |
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| − | == Another spammer == | + | ==Developer Insights== |
| − | [[Jonathan tanner]], and there may be other junk articles. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] ([[User talk:ClanWolverine101|talk]]) 21:17, 22 March 2016 (PDT) | + | I read a [https://bg.battletech.com/forums/general-discussion/recognition-guide-ilclan-discussion-part-2/msg1698319/#msg1698319 post on the official forum] that had great insight into the changes to the Tukayyid "C" 'Mech record sheets. I feel like that would be great information to archive here in some way, but I'm not sure how. A link in the 'Mech article notes might work, but the BT forum are far from permanent. Any ideas or opinions?--[[User:Cache|Cache]] ([[User talk:Cache|talk]]) 14:32, 18 February 2021 (EST) |
| − | :A Fanon article, but technically not spam. I have deleted the article and deferred to the BattleTechFanonWiki. There are no other edits from this IP. But we're dealing with a BattleTech fan here, not a spambot, so I'm not banning him. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 01:20, 23 March 2016 (PDT) | + | :It's probably gonna be important when trying to explain that, and why, the "C" configurations were retconned to what was now established. As a first thought, perhaps copy that post into an Essay type article and link to that in the 'Mech articles whenever a "C" variant is discussed. |
| − | :: I saw this last night, I think you are overly generous calling that article fanon :) [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 14:16, 23 March 2016 (PDT) | + | :In the past I used to archive such information on the pertinent talk page; but this is different as it is not exactly a ruling, and also much longer. So I think it needs to be treated differently. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 14:46, 18 February 2021 (EST) |
| − | ::: Remember the original [[Thomas Hogarth]] article? Written in all-caps? Painful. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] ([[User talk:ClanWolverine101|talk]]) 18:10, 23 March 2016 (PDT)
| + | ::I like the "essay" idea. I have PM'd the author for permission to copy.--[[User:Cache|Cache]] ([[User talk:Cache|talk]]) 19:51, 18 February 2021 (EST) |
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| − | == BattleCorps WarShips == | + | ==Sam Lewis in Wolves on the Border== |
| − | Hi Frabby,<br>
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| − | I'm snowed under with work at the moment and I keep forgetting to mail the next chunk of the planets spreadsheet to my work account to do systems work, so I've been going through the WarShip articles and generating articles for the remaining WarShips listed in the class articles without individual ship articles. I've just come across a link that took me to the BattleCorps Ship Profiles page, which lists three WarShips that don't have articles here yet - the ''Tracker''-class ''Krait'' and the ''Aegis''-class ''Repulse'' and ''Tadeo Amaris''/''Athens''. I don't have access to the BattleCorps unit pdfs - are you in a position where you could add the individual ship articles for those three ships? [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 07:38, 13 April 2016 (PDT)
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| − | :"Snowed under with work"... yeah, I know exactly how you feel. Anyways, yes, I have all BC ship profiles and I'll add them in shortly. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 10:31, 13 April 2016 (PDT)
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| − | ::Just to check, does the pdf on the ''Tadeo Amaris'' definitely refer to her as having been the SLS ''Athens''? The reason I ask is that if she was mothballed in 2544, she should still have been the THS ''Athens'' rather than SLS ''Athens'' - the Star League didn't form for another thirty years after that date. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 23:46, 13 April 2016 (PDT)
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| − | :::Built in 2415, served over 100 years before being mothballed. Wasn't reactivated for the Reunification War, sat in orbit around Titan until 2763 when "a number of mothballed WarShips were turned over to the Rim Worlds Republic". No affiliation prefix is given in the timeline, except that it says in the very first sentence the ''Tadeo Amaris'' "began its career" as the SLS ''Athens''. You could always argue that this was its designation not from the start, but when it was given to the RWR in 2763. I might revisit the article. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 23:51, 13 April 2016 (PDT)
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| − | ::::As it couldn't have begun its full career as the SLS ''Athens'' in 2415, I'm guessing we could interpret that sentence to mean "began its career (with the Rim Worlds Republic) as the SLS ''Athens''..."? I've also flagged up errata on the CGL forum for FR2765:P, because the WarShip list for the RWR doesn't list any ''Aegis''-class ships, but this BattleCorps article shows that they had at least one. I'm sure errata are annoying from an editorial standpoint, but I like being able to tie bits of products together... [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 00:29, 14 April 2016 (PDT)
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| − | ::::I've just finished checking; every WarShip that's ever been mentioned in a WarShip class article on Sarna now has an individual ship article. From this point onwards, it's back to digging through sourcebooks. Which reminds me, I must dig out my copy of IO (Beta) and get those ''Leagues'' onto Sarna. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 02:15, 14 April 2016 (PDT)
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| − | :::::Same here, with a focus on BattleCorps stories. :) Btw, don't use a designated Beta product as a source - Beta implies it's not fully sanctioned as canonical. ''Combat Manual: Mercenaries'' demonstrated just how big changes can be in the final product. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 02:19, 14 April 2016 (PDT)
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| − | ::::::I was planning on using the Beta IO as a source, but flag up any ships mentioned in the Beta that aren't in the full version as apocryphal. The Beta is a licensed product, after all - it's just been superseded. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 03:03, 14 April 2016 (PDT)
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| − | == Founder's Exceptional Ambassador of the Year Award 2015 ==
| + | I have just done a search in my ebook copy of [[Wolves on the Border]] for [[Sam Lewis (Scientist)|Sam Lewis]]. I can't find any mention of him in the book.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 09:18, 4 March 2021 (EST) |
| − | Frabby, you've done an amazing job helping shape the wiki to what it is today. Thank you -- always [[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] ([[User talk:Nicjansma|talk]]) 06:33, 25 May 2016 (PDT)
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| − | :Thanks... though as you may have noted I've already retired my Awards Board wholesale. ;)
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| − | ::And that's fine, I just wanted to extend my personal thanks! [[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] ([[User talk:Nicjansma|talk]]) 10:13, 25 May 2016 (PDT)
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| + | :Checked my print books, and ayup, you're right: It's one Prof. McGuffin (!!) who was mentioned along Dr. Banzai for the Jump Stabilizer. Seems I plainly misremembered. The reference to Professor-General Sam Lewis was in [[Warrior: Coupe]] instead, according to his article here. Might as well have looked there first. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 11:00, 4 March 2021 (EST) |
| − | I've been scratching my brain trying to remember, we did come to consensus about the tenses being used? It was past for everything but equipment? I want to get back into proofreading some more stuff here and just couldn't remember. -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 19:40, 1 June 2016 (PDT)
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| − | :Encyclopedic approach: Present tense by default, past tense for temporary/passing things like people. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 22:59, 1 June 2016 (PDT)
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| − | Frabby please take a look on the [[Sir Roger]] page, thanks.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] ([[User talk:Doneve|talk]]) 08:33, 8 June 2016 (PDT)
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| − | Hi Frabby, i want to uploade to the computer games the front cover images of the games, can you add the missing infoboxes to both, this was a great help.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] ([[User talk:Doneve|talk]]) 16:41, 10 June 2016 (PDT)
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| − | :Was away over the weekend and only saw this now. Will add the infoboxes later today. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 22:39, 12 June 2016 (PDT)
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| − | ::Thanks, but please take a look on [[MechCommander (Video Game)]] the infobox looks a little bit odd.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] ([[User talk:Doneve|talk]]) 05:53, 13 June 2016 (PDT)
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| − | ::: I think I fixed your infobox display Doneve, take a look [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 06:29, 13 June 2016 (PDT)
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| − | ::::Thanks Dark Jaguar!--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] ([[User talk:Doneve|talk]]) 07:37, 13 June 2016 (PDT)
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| − | Hi Frabby, I noticed you wrote the original page for [[Shadows of Faith]]. I was looking for any info on [[Tiaret Nevversan]]. Her page is flagged with an update for this story, but for some reason I only have the first 3 parts. Do you have the complete work? Would you have minutes to check if there is any mention of her in the last 3 for me please? [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 12:00, 17 June 2016 (PDT)
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| − | :Did a quick ctrl-f text search of all seven parts, and Tiaret only briefly shows up in part 2. Which is already covered in the article. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 01:31, 18 June 2016 (PDT)
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| − | ::Thanks for taking the time to look, much appreciated {{emoticon|:)}} [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 02:18, 18 June 2016 (PDT)
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| − | ::''Hi Frabby, ich schreib dir diesmal auf deutsch! Ich bin mittlerweile nicht mehr damit einverstanden dass wir cannon material mit apocyphal material in einer seite mixen. Es ist nur eine idee aber können wir nich einen apocryal link in die betreffende seit einführen damit der inhalt getrennt voneinander angezeigt wird? Es sind so viele 'Mech seiten damit überhäuft das wir dass layout ändern können, es ist nur ein gedanken anstoss, würde gerne deine meinung dazu hören was du darüber denkst. Bis bald--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] ([[User talk:Doneve|talk]]) 16:33, 24 June 2016 (PDT)''
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| − | :::''Also einerseits finde ich auch, daß viele Artikel mit banalen oder überflüssigen Informationen zugemüllt werden. Andererseits sind meiner Meinung nach nicht die apokryphen Inhalte das Problem. Ich denke man muß sich fragen, was ein Sarna-Artikel überhaupt abbilden soll. Für mich ist wichtig, daß alle relevanten Informationen möglichst kurzgefaßt dargestellt werden, und dazu gehören für mich eben auch die apokryphen Informationen. Ich will dafür nicht eine zusätzliche Seite anklicken müssen. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 00:30, 25 June 2016 (PDT)''
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| − | Okay, so to paraphrase and translate Doneve's point for a possibel discussion, he feels 'Mech articles in particular are getting cluttered and suggests changing the structure of articles by cutting out apocryphal content to a separate page. I agree about articles being a cluttered mess but for me the remedy would have to copyedit them for a better, more concise style. I wouldn't want to put the apocryphal content on a separate page; for me it's very important that all information is accessible on one page, with one klick. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 00:30, 25 June 2016 (PDT)
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| − | : The apocryphal banners are very large and only add to the cluttered affect when used inside an article, any way of making them smaller (same for section stubs). While I agree some articles need copy-editing, too much can remove a lot of useful detail. [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 09:05, 11 July 2016 (PDT)
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| − | Not sure if you are aware but the "Mageallon" misspelling for "Magellan" does not appear in all print runs for Technology of Destruction, it was later corrected. [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 07:21, 12 July 2016 (PDT)
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| − | :No, I wasn't aware of that. Good to know, thanks! I take it the "MkII" part remained though? [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 07:23, 12 July 2016 (PDT)
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| − | ::Yes it's still the MkII [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 07:25, 12 July 2016 (PDT)
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| − | I'm not sure if you've seen this, but ColBosch has [http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=53485.msg1235413#msg1235413 given a debunking] of the "Mark 1 OmniMechs" associated with TRO: 3050 that I've heard odds and sods rumours about for years. Would the Mark 1 OmniMechs count as [[Vaporware]]? It would seem useful to keep a record of a BattleTech urban myth debunking on here for posterity somewhere, but I don't think we specifically have any articles on urban myths here. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 00:53, 13 July 2016 (PDT)
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| − | :I've been vaguely aware of the rumors, and of repeated statements by ColBosch and/or Herb, and possibly others to the effect that such "Mk I Omnis" never existed. I feel the issue doesn't belong into the Vaporware article though because it really doesn't fall under any definition of Vaporware. I guess you could add a Notes section to the [[OmniMech]] article and (briefly) adress the situation there. A BattleTech-specific Urban Myths article, perhaps under the Essays category, might also make sense if we have enough such rumors. Right now I can't think of another false rumor though that such an article could cover. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 02:09, 14 July 2016 (PDT)
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| − | Blaine Pardoe about 4 hrs ago announced a new book for Gen Con, based on Clan Wolverine, how is this handled? Here is the info on it: https://blainepardoe.wordpress.com/2016/07/22/clan-wolverine-news/ [[User:ClanJF74017|ClanJF74017]] ([[User talk:ClanJF74017|talk]]) 23:50, 21 July 2016 (PDT)
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| − | :Saw it, and I'm definitely going to get it when it comes out (if I can procure a copy). Since the book is said to have additional content over the BattleCorps story, it should get the usual moratorium period after publication, and then the [[Betrayal of Ideals]] article should be updated. Although Sarna doesn't have a proper policy in place for this question (that I am aware of), we have always treated print products as the lead product in articles, even if a PDF version was previously published. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 03:26, 22 July 2016 (PDT)
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| − | If I may ask, why the heck is the [http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/New_user_message New user message bot blocked]? I just noticed now and had to add a bunch of missing welcome tags to talk pages. -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 10:07, 13 August 2016 (PDT)
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| − | : ??!! D'oh. My bad, sorry. I think I probably did this on accident while dealing with a spambot. Have Un-blocked the New User Message. Thanks for pointing this out. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 11:19, 13 August 2016 (PDT)
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| − | ::It's all good, it just took me a while and a lot of head scratching to figure out why it wasn't doing its job. Thanks! -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 17:18, 13 August 2016 (PDT)
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| − | Frabby, a buddy of mine is writing a short story andhas just asked me for details on the [[Second Exodus]]. Previously, he would be my go-to guy for Clan history, so I really can't help him. He'd prefer to bypass the official forums. Do you have a recommendation as to who our resident Clan expert might be? --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 18:24, 21 August 2016 (PDT)
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| − | :Sadly, no. And I have to explicitly exclude myself here, I'm nowhere near an expert on Clan stuff. Plus, I've increasingly falling behind with reading all those new sourcebooks CGL is churning out. That said, I'll of course still answer any questions that I can answer though. There's not much information available on the Second Exodus that I'm aware of. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 01:49, 22 August 2016 (PDT)
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| − | :: Then it sounds like maybe he'd like a sounding board, if nothing more is available. I think his question will center on the 800 and their division into the Clans. Do you mind if I give him your email address, or would you prefer I send you his? Thanks. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 14:43, 22 August 2016 (PDT)
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| − | ::: He can contact me at frabbybc at googlemail.com. (I think the adress you had is the old "spacious" domain which isn't used anymore.) If it's okay with your pal I might pass a question on to Phil Lee, assistant BattleCorps editor and a Clan expert in his own right. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 22:29, 22 August 2016 (PDT)
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| − | :::: Nice...I'll pass that along. Thanks, Frabby!--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 04:44, 23 August 2016 (PDT)
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| − | Hi Frabby, I've responded to your inquiry. I'm sorry it's taken little while. I'm not on as i used to be.
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| − | As into your thoughts. I find it still useful to hafe the Preceded / Followed in the info box. It does help people to feel things are connected. XTROs are finally puttering out, arguably the last ones are upon us this year. However, core novels are beginning to start up again. Example: Is Embers of War be considered part of the main of novels verses side story / stand alone story? I think it is side story in bigger story-line the Jihad is, however, i think there so few books published so far part of the series, that EoW is more mainline story. CGL hasn't really been doing tight job yet of string products together, however they are. I know it sound bit confusing. However, i think keeping the Preceded /Follow links for future use will be a good thing. It gives sense of "How Many books are there in this series?" sort thing to it. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] ([[User talk:Wrangler|talk]]) 19:04, 9 September 2016 (PDT)
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| − | I want to become a fact checker only on german products, can you help me! What for skills i need? My english is not perfet i know, but i hope you can help me! The CGL guys are very critical is there any chance to give you a mail and you can look if it works in german language! --[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] ([[User talk:Doneve|talk]]) 14:11, 18 October 2016 (PDT)
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| − | :Ich fürchte, da kann ich leider nicht wirklich helfen. Ich habe Ulisses selbst meine Hilfe als BattleTech Factchecker insbesondere für ihre neuen Romane zwei Mal angeboten, aber keine Antwort bekommen. (Mit Bernard Craw hatte ich mich mal in anderer Sache unterhalten und er hat mich persönlich als Factchecker für ''[[Gier]]'' hinzugezogen, das ging gar nicht über Ulisses.) Da bleibt Dir eigentlich nur, direkt mit ihnen Kontakt aufzunehmen, vielleicht hast Du Glück. Ich wünsche Dir jedenfalls viel Erfolg! [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 14:26, 18 October 2016 (PDT)
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| − | ::Hi dank dir, ich hab mittlerweile alle deutschen BT novels und finde so viele fehler...unglaublich, naja ich glaub i hab keine chance, aber danke, ich versuche mein glück. BT is in my heart.[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] ([[User talk:Doneve|talk]]) 14:32, 26 October 2016 (PDT)[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] ([[User talk:Doneve|talk]]) 14:46, 18 October 2016 (PDT)
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| − | Hi Frabby! Do you have infos if sarna's planet overhaul project influence the Touring the Stars series, iam very interested on this subject, you have the better conections to lot this out.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] ([[User talk:Doneve|talk]]) 15:04, 20 October 2016 (PDT)
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| − | :While I do believe that the authors and factcheckers consult the Sarna BattleTechWiki in the process of their work, I am not aware of any direct link or collaboration between the Sarna project and the TTS products. Why do you ask? [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 03:27, 21 October 2016 (PDT)
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| − | ::I ask this for my personal interest, but thanks for the response, oh and a hail to you for the 20,000 article, best wishes.[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] ([[User talk:Doneve|talk]]) 14:30, 26 October 2016 (PDT)
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| + | Do you know how the system maps are generated? All those images don't have a category and this makes the [https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Special:UncategorizedFiles Uncategorized files] not very useful as from the first 1000 thousand maybe 95% images as these ones. And I do not want to put them in a category as this might affect the "program" that generates them. Do you know who can help? Maybe when the image is generated it can be put in a category like "System Images". I'm asking more people, but do you have any idea?--[[User:Pserratv|Pserratv]] ([[User talk:Pserratv|talk]]) 04:22, 8 March 2021 (EST) |
| − | I would like to add the general descriptions of the 3 mechs from Sir Roger Magazine, but I'm not sure how to correctly create and link them. Not sure also if images can be uploaded (for copyright reasons).
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| − | :Sounds great! Given that the [[Sir Roger]] magazine is non-canonical (as far as I can discern), the 'Mechs should perhaps best be described within the article covering the magazine. Regarding the images, I'm honestly unsure. I've liberally applied fair use in the past, but in this case they're inofficial third-party images that don't legally tie into the shared universe. I'm out of my depth here. If you think there is a copyright problem then I advise against uploading them. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 12:59, 15 November 2016 (PST)
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| − | Hi Frabby, can you take a look on this [[History of the Magistracy of Canopus]], i think its a mix between canon and fanon but iam not sure.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] ([[User talk:Doneve|talk]]) 11:40, 17 November 2016 (PST)
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| + | Do you think is worth adding a direct link the the design softwares? The pages I've been adding: [[:Category:Battletech Design Software]].--[[User:Pserratv|Pserratv]] ([[User talk:Pserratv|talk]]) 05:12, 22 March 2021 (EDT) |
| − | Frabby, we went through this years ago. We can't have fan generated stuff on Sarna. That's what the other wiki is for.
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| − | Please Remove it. It should go [http://battletechfanon.wikia.com/wiki/BattleTech_Fanon_Wiki here]. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] ([[User talk:Wrangler|talk]]) 18:28, 23 November 2016 (PST)
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| − | :Apparently a misunderstanding. Sarna isn't hosting TRO:3028. See [[Talk:Technical Readout 3028]]. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 22:23, 23 November 2016 (PST)
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| − | ::Should it be Listed was the question. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] ([[User talk:Wrangler|talk]]) 11:15, 26 November 2016 (PST)
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| − | :::In my opinion Yes, it should be listed, because it is a high-profile fan product. We did cover ''[[Objective Raids: 3067]]'' too, after all. Or the [[LaCasse list]]. So why not this one that has the HBS BT fans all over it? [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 11:49, 26 November 2016 (PST)
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| − | Hi Frabby,<br>
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| − | I've just read ''[[Great Gaffa's Ghost]]'', and I had a look through the article that you wrote on it here. I noticed on page 2 of the introduction by Adept Karl Vosteral that he makes mention of "more recent" urban myths, including "the Vandenburg White Wings and the sightings of the battlecruiser ''Ticonderoga'', and the Ghost Riders Lance are all examples of apparitions that warriors in battle claim to have seen." At first I thought that ''Ticonderoga'' was a typo for ''Tripitz/Tirpitz'', the ''Black Lion'' associated with the Vandenberg White Wings incident. The sentence structure is a little odd, but the phrasing "are all examples" rather than "are both examples" implies that actually it's a separate incident, and that three separate myths/events are being mentioned. That's left me in a quandary over whether an entry should be generated on here for a battlecruiser-class WarShip named ''Ticonderoga'' or not. I've noticed that you tend to namecheck individual ships mentioned in stories when you're writing up the notes, but you haven't flagged up the ''Ticonderoga'' as a ship - I'd like to hear your thoughts on why it should or shouldn't be listed in the story article, and whether it merits a specific (albeit brief) individual WarShip article. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 01:59, 12 December 2016 (PST)
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| − | :At this point, I feel we don't have enough substance or information about the ''Ticonderoga''. We only have a name and a lot of wispy mystery associated with it. As you said, even the name could be mistaken and it could well be meant to be the ''Tirpitz'' (Blaine Pardoe also wrote the ComStar sourcebook). It could be a great many things really. We can't even technically be sure that it's meant to be a WarShip, as opposed to, say, a blue-water vessel. That's probably why I didn't list it in the article (I really don't remember). So while I feel it doesn't warrant special mention or even its own article, I'm not opposed to that either. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 05:13, 12 December 2016 (PST)
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| + | Afternoon, Frabby. IRT [[Board Game]], I'm not sure what to make of this page. It seems to attract the attention of multiple Editors, but...what is it saying? I'm thinking of categorizing it as either Lists or Miscellaneous, but...I just don't get it. Advise, please. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 12:38, 9 May 2021 (EDT) |
| − | Hi Frabby, merry christmas. A question in [[Historical: Liberation of Terra Volume 1]], the story on page 5, Rise Of The Animals, falls this under the short story category, thanks for your answer when you found time.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] ([[User talk:Doneve|talk]]) 15:56, 25 December 2016 (PST)
| + | :It's funny that you raise this just now. I've had to take a short wikibreak of sorts and taking that step back made me realize there's a laundry list of admin-level issues on Sarna that needs to be adressed, or at least is becoming a serious problem from my viewpoint. Presentation, project coordination, category structure, article structures, newbie help, you name it. Artifact articles like this one you mentioned are a small facet of one of the major chapters on this wish list. I was going to discuss this with Nic and the active admins shortly and I'm extremely happy to have you back so expect mail shortly (couple of days probably). :) [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 13:03, 9 May 2021 (EDT) |
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| − | :Yes, the intro fiction in sourcebooks and the interspersed pieces of fiction in rulebooks such as this story (''[[Rise of the Animals]]'') should get their own articles even if they aren't available as standalone products. Example articles are ''[[Think like a Liao]]'' from the ''[[Shrapnel]]'' print anthology or ''[[They call me Toad]]'' from the MFG magazine [[Life Support]].
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| − | :There is only one important difference to keep in mind when writing the article: Since these short stories are part of another product and not standalone products like BattleCorps stories, they don't use the Infobox:Product template but instead use the [[Template:InfoBoxStory]]. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 01:05, 26 December 2016 (PST)
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| + | ::Roger that, muh-man. I'll hold off on any action until in receipt of your treatise. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 13:20, 9 May 2021 (EDT) |
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| − | I noticed that ''[[Royal Flush]]'' talks about the Twenty-ninth Avalon Hussars, one of the regiments of Hussars that's never been detailed in canon. Would you be able to write up a unit article on the Twenty-ninth from what's in ''Royal Flush''? It'd be nice to have an entry for the unit on here, even if the entire entry is apocryphal, because it fills out another small gap - and even if the Twenty-ninth is apocryphal, having an entry here for it might reduce slightly the chance of someone else writing a canonical story for the Twenty-ninth when looking for a missing Avalon Hussars regiment, rather than one of the other missing regiments. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 01:32, 12 January 2017 (PST) | |
| − | :Gah. Looks like I've been sloppy. The protagonists' unit in the novel is the 27th Avalon Hussars, not the 29th as I wrote in the list of novels. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 07:38, 12 January 2017 (PST)
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| − | Hi Frabby,<br>
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| − | You mentioned LinkNet articles before, so I did a little hunting around, and I have a copy of the articles, I think - but I can't find many places at all here on Sarna where the articles have been cited or listed as a reference. Do you have a good example of where they've been used, so that I can look at using that format? I'm tempted to add more detail from the articles to flesh out the Dark Age detail here on Sarna, and it would be useful to have as a reference for incorporating HBS detail. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 05:09, 23 February 2017 (EST)
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| − | :There isn't even a proper article on LinkNet here yet, and yes there's a whole lot of stuff in there that hasn't been wikified yet including even some short stories. Now that you mention it, I wanted to include the LinkNet references to [[Brooklyn Stevens]]' family from decades later to fill out the end of her story but forgot to do it. It's all on my ever-growing list of things to do. :) Regarding your question, the LinkNet atlas/Touring the Stars was used as a resource for planetary information a lot on Sarna. Try searching for "LinkNet". And yes, I admit that it's all a mess. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 05:17, 23 February 2017 (EST)
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| − | ::Sooo... although purely onlines sources are something we've dealt with before, we didn't deal with them well, or consistently, or in any particular depth?
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| − | ::I don't think the Touring the Stars has been used in many planet articles - I'm almost 40% of the way through the Planets Project, and I can't remember a single reference I've seen yet to LinkNet or Touring the Stars. Dark Age Republic Worlds (3130), yes, but that's a discrete file that's hosted and quoted... [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 05:43, 23 February 2017 (EST)
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| − | :::I bow my head in shame, but consider that LinkNet was the only online resource so far that we had to deal with. And it was a mess.
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| − | :::As for [[Dark Age: Republic Worlds (3130)]], it's the file name CGL gave to the LinkNet atlas section when they offered the data as a single file for download following LinkNet going offline. (Forget about Touring the Stars, that's a standard PDF product series that doesn't have anything to do with LinkNet. I named it by mistake, what I meant was the Dark Age: Republic Worlds (3130) file.) [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 09:49, 23 February 2017 (EST)
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| − | ::::There's always more source than we have editors around to detail on here, so no shame or blame to apportion. I was more worried about missing a precedent. I've created a sourcebook entry for the LinkNet articles, so that it can be quoted as a reference, but I still don't see how we can cite the HBS stuff easily at the moment... [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 16:42, 23 February 2017 (EST)
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| − | :::::Going by what I did in the [[Argo (DropShip class)]] article, you should be good citing URLs as sources for online resources. It only gets ugly when the sites are changed or taken down.
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| − | :::::[[LinkNet]] and now [[BattleTech (Video Game)]] as sources/products are summary projects encompassing all of their associated online publications. They remain that even when the sites are taken down. However, when citing references it should always be done in a way that allows the user to actually find the relevant information within the source material. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 17:05, 23 February 2017 (EST)
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| − | ::::::My main concern is this: if we include links to the source, when the source page is taken down, the source information is lost. If we quote the source text verbatim in the talk page, as I do with confirmations and clarifcations from the CBT forum, then we're plagiarising HBS' IP beyond the extent that would seem reasonable under fair use. So... do we just accept that the info is going to disappear and people will just have to take our word for it? Do we hope that HBS will reproduce it as downloadable files? Do we ask HBS if they'll let us quote their posts verbatim, or maybe host straight copies of their text? This feels like more a strategic issue than a tactical one. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 17:08, 23 February 2017 (EST)
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| − | :::::::I guess it comes down to Sarna being a wiki about BT stuff, but not itself a repository of such files. In my experience, someone will usually have a copy of online content even after it goes offline. Just as an example, I have a copypasta edition of [[Jihad - a Soldier's Tale]] on my HD but Sarna only has that article and dead reference links. There's also always the wayback machine.
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| − | :::::::It also just occurs to me that we have anothet pertinent example for an online resource: [[BattleCorps]] [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 17:16, 23 February 2017 (EST)
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| + | Afternoon, Frabby. Would you please take a look at my attempt to update the [[Brawler]] article? I'm specifically asking for a review of the general completeness of the role's description and the (hopefully) fair-use presentation of the ''Alpha Strike'' description. If/when it is acceptable, I'm intending to update/build the remaining unit role articles, including for the ASFs. Thanks. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 15:26, 15 May 2021 (EDT) |
| − | Hi Frabby,<br>
| + | :Unfortunately I've never played Alpha Strike, never even completely read the AS rulebook. I'm totally in the dark about that game system. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 03:07, 18 June 2021 (EDT) |
| − | Can you use the new system article template for your planets articles, please? If you don't, then at some point when I'm working through the planets here I'm going to end up having to redraft it into the correct format, or we're going to end up with inconsistencies between articles. While there's not much information on Lincoln at the moment, there's nothing to say that we won't see more detail on the planet or system in the future.<br>
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| − | I noticed that you had cited battles between the DCMS and CCAF over the planet in 2802 and 2803. ''First Succession War'' has a map showing the various waves of the AFFS counter-offensives against the Combine during the First Succession War on page 95, and those dates fall after the initial wave of retaliations and within the timeframes of the first counter-offensive. It also details battles between CCAF and DCMS units on Ronel and Rio in 2800; given the location of those systems, and looking at the map, it seems like there's a decent chance that Lincoln - whether it's a planet or a system - is actually in that wedge of systems at the coreward end of the Robinson Operational Area of the Draconis March. The Capellan March of the First Succession War didn't stretch much further coreward than Beten Kaitos and Emerson, a long way from the Combine border, and that's about 45 light years from the nearest world we know the Combine managed to capture (Bristol). The furthest coreward the Capellan March managed in the Star League era was Tedibyhr - and that's about 45 light years from Rio. It's not inconceivable that Lincoln is a Capellan March system, but if you look at the region on the map that we have documented battles between the DCMS and CCAF in, and the borders of the Capellan March, and the territory that changed hands in the first three Succession Wars, I think there's a solid case for it being a Draconis March system, particularly given that the DCMS was in general retreat during the first AFFS counter-offensive in particular - it'd seem unlikely that they'd be striking down as far as Tedibyhr/Chesterton, let alone hitting Capellan worlds that far down given that the DCMS were being pushed back along that front hard at the time. The DCMS held Ronel until at least the end of the first war, and Rio is right on the border between the Confederation and the Combine at the end of that war; both are roughly on a level with the Clovis PDZ of the Robinson OA, and the Chesterton worlds recaptured by the AFFS are actually in the Markesan OA of the Crucis March. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 04:45, 1 March 2017 (EST)
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| − | :Sorry. I actually looked for the new system article template but couldn't find it (seems I wasn't very thorough), so I ended up copying a framework from another "minor" system. Where is that template, can you give me a link?
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| − | :As for Lincoln being in the Capellan March, there's that bit about Michael Hasek-Davion's treachery in both ''House Davion (The Federated Suns)'' and ''Handbook: House Davion'' where the blame for the 7th Crucis Lancers' defeat at Lincoln vs. WH Imarra and Lu Sann in 3001 is laid at his feet. That would only be reasonable if Lincoln was within his responsibility, i.e. if it was in the Capellan March at the time (irrespective of what the Capellan March looked like in the 1st SW). Though your reasoning is just as valid. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 05:29, 1 March 2017 (EST)
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| − | ::If you click on the "Help & How-to" list on Editing BTW in the sidebar, there's a help guide to writing a new planet or system article - that has the new template in it, with some explanatory notes.
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| − | ::Didn't Mendrugo flag up a few instances of Michael Hasek-Davion apparently influencing events in the Draconis March, despite it being outside his purview? I seem to remember it cropping up a couple of times in his fiction review thread. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 05:57, 1 March 2017 (EST)
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| − | :::You're right. Mendrugo listed an awful lot of references for Lincoln, it's not the one-liner that I thought. Article will need a full rewrite. I'm on it. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 04:47, 2 March 2017 (EST)
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| − | ::::We could save a lot of time if we used Mendrugo's fic reviews as the bulk text for articles on the BC short fiction here on Sarna - he's got a great gift for linking detail together from multiple sources. Did you find the system template easily? I've been debating trying to rename it to make it a bit more obvious. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 05:14, 2 March 2017 (EST)
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| − | :::::Mendrugo gave me blanket permission to copy his articles here, especially for short story plot summaries, and I've already done it on a few occasions. But they do need some copyediting, and are oftentimes way too long and detailed.
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| − | :::::Found the new planet article template. Shouldn't it really be named a System template now? (Same for the category. Our articles cover systems, and multiple planets within them; we don't have individual articles on individual planets. Not anymore.) [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 05:42, 2 March 2017 (EST)
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| − | ::::::I've been loathe to change the template name until the process is finished - things like the quickbar on the left still refer to planets, and until the bulk of the changes are done, we have both planet and system articles. I thought it would be better to change it close to the end of the process, rather than partway through - I've only managed to update a little under 40% of the articles to the new format so far. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 06:23, 2 March 2017 (EST)
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| − | Frabby - Do you know when the Edit Counter list updates? This one? [[Special:UserScore|Edit Counter]] Thanks. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] ([[User talk:ClanWolverine101|talk]]) 19:49, 5 March 2017 (EST)
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| − | :All I know is that NicJ changed some settings a year or two back that resulted in counters like this one updating less frequently. Don't quote me on this, but I think the UseScore counter only updates once a week now, to save bandwith or computing power or something. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 06:18, 6 March 2017 (EST)
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| − | ::It used to update once a week, but it hasn't updated since January for some reason. [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 16:20, 6 March 2017 (EST)
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| − | :::Nic took care of it. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] ([[User talk:ClanWolverine101|talk]]) 08:03, 5 May 2017 (EDT)
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| − | Hi Frabby,<br>
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| − | I noticed you trying to contact Bob a little while ago. Have you heard anything from him? I tried contacting him on Twitter, but didn't get a response. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 02:43, 10 March 2017 (EST)
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| − | :Nope. Looks like he just dropped off the map without warning. His last activity here on Sarna was in October 2016, and over at the BT forums he was last logged in in late June 2016, with his last two postings from mid-June 2016 and late July 2015 (!). [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 05:01, 10 March 2017 (EST)
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| − | Hi Frabby,<br>
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| − | Why did you you add the overview paragraph from Dark Age Republic Worlds (3130) to the Dark Age LinkNet Articles (3136) page? I'm not sure if I've missed something, or caught you mid-edit... [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 05:26, 13 March 2017 (EDT)
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| − | :Editing half-asleep will do that. :/ Thanks for catching it, I'll go and fix it. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 06:04, 13 March 2017 (EDT)
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| − | Hello. Mbear made another article on the same subject multiple times. I tried contacting him but see he has not logged out for a while. The 1st and 2nd St. Ives Sentinels already exist as the Mounted Fusiliers and Armored Infantry. The Victoria Rangers already exist as the Victoria Commonality Rangers. Odds are it happened elsewhere too. What do I do? [[User:Henryjones000|Henryjones000]] ([[User talk:Henryjones000|talk]]) 22:22, 13 April 2017 (EDT)
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| − | I saw your efforts to delete all the spammers earlier, just wanted to say thanks for all your hard work as an admin. It's really appreciated. If you hadn't got rid of your awards I'd happily present you with one of these [[File:VC 3sol.jpg|Vandal Cop Award, 7th ribbon]] [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 19:25, 3 May 2017 (EDT)
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| − | I see the bots are again spamming. I've counted 6 new users, from which only one is a real human (Buzzard). These spambots are registered as (Yase; Martinguptil6789; Martinguptil; Manish verma; Ghjkl.).
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| − | Frabby - Hey do you know when these are coming out? [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] ([[User talk:ClanWolverine101|talk]]) 08:04, 5 May 2017 (EDT)
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| − | :Nope, sorry. I've come to regard the introduction of Awards as a mistake, and have removed myself from the entire process here on BTW. Personally I don't care much for the awards, and thus I forget to hand them out most of the time - but I'm afraid it might come across as snubbing someone if I'm *not* handing out awards. Which in turn sort of devaluates them further. I hope that my fellow editors have enough self-esteem to know that their work is appreciated even without awards. :) [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 14:55, 5 May 2017 (EDT) | |
| − | :: I can understand that. For me, i think, i use it as a chance to climb out of my foxhole and take a look at some of the great work other editors are doing. But i can see your point. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] ([[User talk:ClanWolverine101|talk]]) 08:57, 10 May 2017 (EDT)
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| − | Frabby - I responded to you here: [[Talk:List of minor mercenary units]] But i can re-start the talk wherever you like. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] ([[User talk:ClanWolverine101|talk]]) 11:58, 13 May 2017 (EDT)
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| − | This guy - [[User:RochellPedersen]] is posting some odd pages [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 18:00, 13 May 2017 (EDT)
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| − | Hi, thank you for all the help you have given me since joining. I really appreciate it. I feel I should be giving you one of the awards, but I see in the message above that you don't like them. Anyway, thanks for the assistance :-) [[User:Buzzard|Buzzard]] ([[User talk:Buzzard|talk]]) 08:14, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
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| − | :Glad I could be of help! :) [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 08:38, 6 June 2017 (EDT)
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| − | Hi Frabby,<br>
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| − | I've got a bit of an oddity I've come across that I'm hoping you might know more about. I've just been adding the detail on the Fourth Succession War battle on [[Tsinghai]] to Sarna, and one of the units involved was the First Battalion of [[Preston's Lancers]]. I'm reasonably familiar with most BattleTech units, and I couldn't recall seeing Preston's Lancers in print before. I did some digging, and they're mentioned in ''[[House Liao (The Capellan Confederation)]]'' on page 68:<br>
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| | + | Hey Frabby. In the note you left on the Longbow article, it may be worth mentioning that Ral Partha produced the miniature using the Unseen image, [[Ral_Partha_Catalogs#Ral_Partha_Catalog_1988|in their catalog starting in 1988]], which coincides with the appearances in ''Merc's Handbook'' and ''The Star League''. --[[User:Cache|Cache]] ([[User talk:Cache|talk]]) 11:01, 21 August 2021 (EDT) |
| | + | :That's indeed worth noting. I don't have that catalogue, and didn't know that (I'm really not very much into miniatures). Can you expand the Notes to include this info? [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 11:07, 21 August 2021 (EDT) |
| | + | ::I gave it a shot. Hopefully I got the point across while maintaining the flow.--[[User:Cache|Cache]] ([[User talk:Cache|talk]]) 11:59, 21 August 2021 (EDT) |
| | + | :::Pretty good, thank you. I take it "sku" is part of the product name? In an ideal world we would have an article link here, but miniatures are the stepchild of Sarna and I am in no position to improve the situation. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 12:16, 21 August 2021 (EDT) |
| | + | ::::SKU stands for Stock Keeping Unit--the manufacturers stock number for the product. It is listed in the catalog article, there just isn't an easy way to directly link to its exact location. Setting individual anchors is a bit of a task.--[[User:Cache|Cache]] ([[User talk:Cache|talk]]) 12:27, 21 August 2021 (EDT) |
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| − | The Confederation units described after that section make no mention of any Preston Lancers units, however. On page 106, Preston's Lancers are listed - a three-battalion unit, registered at Veteran experience, with battalions on [[Tsinghai]], [[Ambergrist]] and [[Cavalor]]. That's a bit of a spread - Tsinghai is in the Sarna Commonality, Ambergrist is in the St. Ives Commonality, and Cavalor is down on the Periphery border near [[Herotitus]]. The only other place I can see any mention of them is in the Succession Wars boardgame, where there's apparently a counter for them in the Capellan line units block. Are you familiar with this unit appearing anywhere else? They're evidently post-Star League-era, as there's no mention of them in either ''[[Field Report 2765: CCAF]]'' or ''[[First Succession War (Source Book)|First Succession War]]'', although I haven't been able to check Second Succession War yet. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 07:40, 25 July 2017 (EDT)
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| − | :That doesn't ring a bell, like, at all. Funny how those age-old products still yield surprising information that was largely overlooked so far. We have a similar case with House Steiner's elusive [[Tamar Jagers]]. My theory is that those are mixed units with an emphasis on conventional forces, i.e. not pure 'Mech units, and they are thus often overlooked or ignored in listings of 'Mech units. I have a story in the works (a BattleCorps draft... let's see if it will ever see publication) where this is explained in some detail regarding the Tamar Jagers. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 15:04, 25 July 2017 (EDT) | + | :''(Moved from user page to user talk page)'' |
| − | ::I was wondering if, given that the Preston Lancers were a veteran line unit of decent loyalty and had one battalion inside what became the St. Ives Compact, perhaps that battalion attempted to prevent the secession of Ambergrist and got stomped by one of the St. Ives loyalist units. Although that would still leave that battalion out on the edge of the Periphery... [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 16:18, 25 July 2017 (EDT)
| + | I can't get the hang of pinging on this wiki, so I came to your page. It's nice to have feedback because my efforts aren't perfect. |
| | + | * Re: AeroSpace Fighter, I've been using the [[Policy:BattleTech Style Guide]] connected to the Manual of Style, which requires CamelCase. I don't think I have a copy of the BattleCorps MOS. |
| | + | * Re: Mad Jumpin Jacks, it was inconsistent within the article so I went with what's at the [[Phoenix (Mercenary Command)]] page the unit name redirects to. I don't read German and I don't know if I have a PDF or doc of the novel to check against so I didn't even try to consult the original. |
| | + | * Re: Hyphen use in co-founder. I've been going with Fowler ("hyphens are regrettable necessities, and to be done without when they reasonably may") due in part to the over(mis)use of hyphens by CGL. I'm using a dictionary aggregator and the Chicago Manual of Style for hyphenation but I'm bound to get a few wrong. |
| | + | * Re: Correcting quotations. I try to consult the original text before correcting quotes but I know I miss some; I'm glad to have my mistakes corrected. I've actually had to correct a few quotes in other articles to match what's in the original product text. |
| | + | It would have been helpful if FASA/FanPro/CGL had at least tried to be consistent in its own products... [[User:Madness Divine|Madness Divine]] ([[User talk:Madness Divine|talk]]) |
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| | + | Hey Frabby. Saw that you removed Moratorium from [[PseudoTech: Arcade Operations]]. Please note this is ''not'' a Free product. It costs $2.99 in the CGL store and DriveThruRPG.--[[User:Talvin|Talvin]] ([[User talk:Talvin|talk]]) 11:59, 7 April 2022 (EDT) |
| | + | :D'oh. Me sloppy. Thanks for pointing out! Changing back. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 12:03, 7 April 2022 (EDT) |
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| − | Hey, Frabby: this may be a bit of a reach, but why was [[User:Volt]] merged into anonymous? His coordinates program became a critical part of the site's Planets Planets, and I can't see where he (or his account) might have strayed into the dark side. Any recall? --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 18:02, 29 July 2017 (EDT)
| + | == Some German edition issues == |
| − | :It was done on his express and specific request that his account here be irrevocably deleted, after he became disenchanted with BattleTech because of things outside of Sarna. A sad loss for our community, but I felt compelled to oblige. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 21:01, 29 July 2017 (EDT)
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| − | ::Aaah...yeah, I'm surprised and disheartened to hear that. Thank you.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 22:15, 29 July 2017 (EDT)
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| − | == KungsArmé ==
| + | Frabby. I encountered two issues related to German editions of certain novels. The issues are posted in [[Talk:List of German BattleTech novels]] and [[Talk:Shadows of War]]. Please feel free to share any insights that may help resolve those. Thanks. --[[User:Dude RB|Dude RB]] ([[User talk:Dude RB|talk]]) 22:23, 15 June 2022 (EDT) |
| − | Frabby, as someone much more familiar than I am with the novels set in and around the Clan invasion, how familiar are you with the senior figures in the Free Rasalhague Republic KungsArmé? I'm poking some articles on minor KungsArmé units, and the 20 Year Update states that as of late 3049/3050, the overall commanding officer of the KungsArmé was General Christian Mansdottir, with his seconds being Generalmajor Margrethe Minuit, commander of the RRA forces in the Skandia Province, and Generalmajor Gustaf Mannerheim, commander of the RRA forces in the Radstadt Province. Margrethe Minuit crops up in some of the later sourcebooks, like Masters & Minions, and seems to have continued serving in the KungsArmé under the Ghost Bears, but I'm struggling to find anything on Gustaf Mannerheim. In the Clan Wolf Sourcebook entry on Gunzburg, it cites Tor Miraborg as being both a General and the commanding officer of the Radstadt Province. General might be a slip/shorthand for Generalmajor, but have you read anything about what happened to Gustaf Mannerheim, or how Miraborg ended up commanding the Radstadt Province? [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 04:30, 22 August 2017 (EDT) | |
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| − | :(Took the liberty to delete one of your double entries) - Let me look into this. Funny enough, the name Gustaf Mannerheim rang a bell somewhere in the back of my head while I never heard of Minuit before. But for now, all I can do is go and search the PDF files I have. I'll be back to you on this. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 06:48, 22 August 2017 (EDT) | + | :Just gonna drop this here, as sorta related: [[Im Schatten der Bestie]] had some notes added to the Canonicity section about Mech names and mistranslations. I just moved it down to a Notes section and otherwise left it be, but if you get a chance, please take a look? Thanks!--[[User:Talvin|Talvin]] ([[User talk:Talvin|talk]]) 18:01, 17 June 2022 (EDT) |
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| − | ::Having just finished three articles and read through more of ''[[20 Year Update]]'', it appears there may be some inconsistencies - compare the detail on page 48 (structure) with that on the TOE on page 51. Page 48 has Mansdottir as the overall commander, and Mannerheim and Minuit as his two deputies controlling the Radstadt and Skandia provinces, as Generalmajors. Page 50 has Minuit as a Generalmajor commanding the Skandia Province, but has Tor Miraborg as a General commanding the Radstadt Province, with no mention of Mannerheim (Miraborg's 2iC is Generalmajor Mathew Agerstrand) while it also includes the details for a third province, the Rasalhague Province, headed up by a General Norman Holgerson. It also appears that we've been consistently using KungsArmé as the shorthand for the FRR's military, but it should actually be Rasalhague KungsArmé, rather than just KungsArmé. I kind of wish I'd just stuck to updating the Gunzburg article. Apologies for the double post, btw - the firewall at work has been giving me fits with Sarna recently, blocking pages (like the preview page) and reporting connection resets when I try and post. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 08:01, 22 August 2017 (EDT)
| + | == Intermedia X-Pulse Laser == |
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| − | :::In classic FASA fashion, the 20 Year Update is an in-universe document by WolfNet, compiled according to the preface from "other intelligence agencies, both friendly and hostile", with WolfNet editor notes added in at times. Which goes a long way to handwave and internal inconsistencies within the document. As far as the FRR writeup (notably called "Rasalhague Free Republic" in the document) is concerned, it is credited to Precentor Rasalhague Gardner Riis of ComStar, but undated (the latest in-document date mentioned being 3044 on p. 46, left column) while the overall WolfNet compilation has a timestamp of 7 January 3050 in the preface. At another point in the document there is a reference to the "16-year history" of the Kungsarmé on p. 49... but that history can arguably be traced back to the Tyr regiment in the Fourth Succession War, which is even mentioned later on the same page, and still means the document is written from either a 3044 or 3050 viewpoint. The Kungsarmé deployment table is explicitly dated 3050, and may or may not be part of the preceding overview document. That is to say, it may be a 3050 WolfNet appendix to Riis' original 3044 document.
| + | I just saw that you reverted [[Intermedia X-Pulse Laser]] from where I had marked it for deletion. I am rather confused: it is one among a pile of similar redirects that used to point to Fanon, has nothing linking to it, and I can't see why it would need to stay?--[[User:Talvin|Talvin]] ([[User talk:Talvin|talk]]) 08:22, 21 June 2022 (EDT) |
| − | :::The text mentions two Generals as aides to Mansdotter, which doesn't rule out the existence of a third RRA province. It is conceivable that the Rasalhague province is somehow special, and that therefore its commanding General (Holgerson) is outside of the Kungsarmé organisation as detailed by Riis. | + | :I did? Damn. Presumably another case of me hitting the stupid "rollback" button when I was really only trying to scroll down the recent changes on my not-so-smart phone. I hate that button! And this time I didn't even realize I had hit it. Re-deleted. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 12:58, 21 June 2022 (EDT) |
| − | :::As for Miraborg having supplanted Mannerheim by 3050, check his bio on p. 89: He was promoted to the position of Commander of the Radstadt Province at some point after the formation of the FRR, having been heavily wounded in the Ronin Wars. It is plausible to assume he spent the time between 3034 and 3044 in hospital and was only promoted to the position between 3044 and 3050, as he was now bound to a wheelchair and unfit to pilot a 'Mech. (He would presumably have tried everything under the sun until then to get back into a cockpit, given the [[dispossessed]] stigma and the Justin Allard precedent.) The "Political Alignments" section on p. 47 ambiguously mentions Miraborg was appointed to Commander of the Radstadt Province "after the creation of the Republic". Miraborg's bio in [[Brush Wars]] tells us he was actually wounded twice while fighting in the Tyr regiment, and suffered the final, crippling injury in 3036. He wouldn't have been promoted to his later position prior to that time. | + | ::I have never tried to use this site on anything smaller than an iPad. Somebody rolled my userpage back a couple months, once. :D Thanks for fixing.--[[User:Talvin|Talvin]] ([[User talk:Talvin|talk]]) 13:00, 21 June 2022 (EDT) |
| − | :::I had hoped to get extra information on Mannerheim from [[Brush Wars]] but he isn't mentioned in that book, nor in the War of 3039 sourcebook. Nor any other sourcebook I ran through a PDF search. Don't have a PDF of [[Heir to the Dragon]], unfortunately. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 04:20, 23 August 2017 (EDT)
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| − | == Planet/System article names == | + | == Astronomical Features == |
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| − | Evening, Frabby. Volt has a favor to ask. I told him about how articles will be named after the most prominent system member (such as Sol redirects to [[Terra]]). He's asking if there might be some master list you have that he could peek at, so that he could change the names in the impending SUC Kit to match. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 21:26, 7 August 2017 (EDT)
| + | Frabby, you raised a [[Category talk:Astronomical Features|point]] about the definition of [[:Category:Astronomical Features]] back in 2020. I know that idea may have grown dormant since then, but can you elabaorate (in [[Category talk:Astronomical Features]]) on the issues you see/recall from then and whether they still need attention now? --[[User:Dude RB|Dude RB]] ([[User talk:Dude RB|talk]]) 00:03, 5 July 2022 (EDT) |
| − | :If there's a master list, I'd like a copy of it too - I'm going by what I find in the text of the articles as I'm updating them when it comes to renaming the articles. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 10:00, 8 August 2017 (EDT)
| + | :Thanks for the ping. I’ve replied over on the discussion page. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 12:18, 5 July 2022 (EDT) |
| − | :: That's great to hear, because Nic just informed me he's very willing to run a script to replace all current coordinates with the ones from the...ahem...Sarna Unified Cartography Kit. So, we'll need to make sure every entry in the...Sarna Unified Cartography Kit...lines up with an article name. I figure you and I can finish off the Phase 0s (get the coordinate templates added) and go from there.
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| − | :: But, yeah, if there is a master list, that would rock.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 16:58, 8 August 2017 (EDT)
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| − | ::: Hi guys, sorry for being off the radar - I just returned from a four-day trip to Denmark. (And I'll be travelling abroad again for the entire upcoming week.)
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| − | ::: Rev, nice to see you're back and bringing the band together. [Insert favorite quote here - among literally dozens, at this time it's a tie between "Fix the cigarette lighter" and "No Ma'am, we're musicians" for me.]
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| − | ::: About the issue at hand, sorry, there is no master list. All I ever did was jump on the bandwagon of cool projects like Volt's. But I'll gladly help compiling a list of systems with multiple names, or names different from the name of the primary inhabited world or construct. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 17:55, 8 August 2017 (EDT)
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| − | :::: Would you please? That would be excellent: one effort to update the kit and then all of the articles will benefit via script. Thanks, mate.
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| − | :::: I announced the release on gruese's HBS thread. Fo you have a recommendation as to which section of CGL's forums I should do the same?
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| − | :::: Enjoy Denmark!--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 18:03, 8 August 2017 (EDT)
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| − | :::::Denmark was great (including a short rowing and sailing trip on a viking ship at Roskilde - Yarr!) - and now I have three days to do the last two weeks' work, plus the upcoming week where I'll be traveling to Austria. So don't expect too much contribution from me until after the 21st of August.
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| − | :::::That said, where shall be keep the master list and where should I add the list of alias names for systems as I work on it? [[User talk:Gruese#Coordinates]] looks like a good place to begin. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 09:53, 10 August 2017 (EDT)
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| − | ::::::Sounds like a plan. I know Volt is looking forward to those. After he incorporates your changes, we'll ship them off to Nic, who will run a script updating the system articles, and then Gruese will be able to scrap those to update the map. Voila! Collaboration! --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 16:05, 10 August 2017 (EDT)
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| − | : Welcome back, Frabby. If you haven't started already, just a reminder, several of us are definitely interested in your work on this. Ill keep an eye on [[User talk:Gruese#Coordinates]]. As a reminder, Volt will take your completed report and updated the SUC Kit. From there, we'll share this with Gruese and Nic. Nic will then run a script updating all coordinates to the latest and ''then'' ("there's more!") he's going to see if he can create new local map images based on that. Additionally, Gruese is looking into possibly updating his code to enable us to create more traditional images based on 30 & 60 lys, centered on the systems in question.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 14:56, 25 August 2017 (EDT)
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| − | ::Don't wait for me. I only find time for a few odd bits here and there at the moment, and the next week is going to be murder; don't expect me to have much time for Sarna until the week after at the earliest. | |
| − | ::Gruese has created [https://community.battletechgame.com/forums/threads/3607/comments/180969 fantastically helpful scripts] and the results can be seen [http://www.gruese.de/innersphere/data/UCKcomparisonOutput.html here]. Looks like the Clan Homeworlds are all shifted by a dozen or so light-years. I'd like Volt to look over the data; I presume one of the two projects used an outdated set of data and Volt should easily be able to tell which data set is more up-to-date. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 15:16, 27 August 2017 (EDT)
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| − | :::The thing is, Volt needs your names, so that his list matches up with the right article names. He's going to modify his planet names from what you compile. Nic's script will require parity. However, we are also not time-dependent...when you can get it done (or make headway), Volt will progress. I will share Gruese's results with him right now. Thanks, Frabby.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 16:01, 27 August 2017 (EDT)
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| − | == 1/3rd towards bannination (<--not a real word) == | + | == Japanese Editions == |
| − | Thought you might appreciate this: RunandFindOut flipped out on your response to him about outdated weapons, and I remarked that his accusation of you trying to divert(?) (maybe he meant threadjack?) was an overly harsh judgment and suggested he consider maybe you misunderstood his point...a continuation of our [[Policy:Assume good faith|"no malice"]] policy here. So, I'm presuming he reported my comment (after firing back something I didn't try to remember), as I got a warning from a mod to leave it up to them in the future. Obviously they're right, but I was told it was the 1st of 3 warnings before being banned. A bit harsh in the approach, not the collaborative attitude we have here, but whatever. Venting over, as it's not important. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 17:38, 7 October 2017 (EDT)
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| − | :Thanks for covering my back (and my sincere apologies for letting this slip off my radar, I meant ot thank you much earlier!). While my personal experience with the BT forum mods is a good one, I've learned about a couple of mod calls over the past few years that left people confused or angry. Yours fits the bill. There seems to be a tendency towards stricter moderation that in turn tends to produce questionable results more often, leading to people turning their backs on the forum. But then again, I only know one side of the story so cannot really comment on what's going on. I just note that there seem to be more complaints than before. Then again, yeah, that posting was off. I just didn't care enough to respond. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 04:27, 18 October 2017 (EDT)
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| − | == System Generation rules ==
| + | I seem to recall you collect foreign editions. I have done more detective work: [[Category_talk:Japanese_Editions]] --[[User:Talvin|Talvin]] ([[User talk:Talvin|talk]]) 13:25, 7 July 2022 (EDT) |
| − | Interesting tidbit from Cray (last comment): http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=59106.msg1358717#msg1358717
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| − | --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 20:56, 17 October 2017 (EDT)
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| − | :Interesting, but not entirely new. We've known for some time already that many stars are "corrected" into main sequence stars now. And recent real-world research seems to indicate that planets are far more common than we thought, to the point where star systems without planets may be an anomaly. Like I wrote on the forum, BattleTech may have been ahead of its time here. ;) [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 04:20, 18 October 2017 (EDT)
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| − | == IndustrualMech Infobox - Will it be fixed?==
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| − | I am johnny come lately with this. I'm actually upset that the info box for the industrialMech was altered and it's listing featured units as battlemechs. Is the person who did this going fix it? -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] ([[User talk:Wrangler|talk]]) 16:35, 28 October 2017 (EDT)
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| − | == BattleTech Magazines == | + | == ä == |
| − | Frabby,<br>
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| − | As the resident expert on BattleTech magazines, have you seen this before? https://www.nobleknight.com/Product/5043/12-Battletech-Amber [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 14:21, 3 November 2017 (EDT)
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| − | :This particular magazine issue was already mentioned in [http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=437.0 the List of BattleTech articles in gaming magazines] over at the BT forum. It does suggest a link to [https://www.nobleknight.com/Product/2147372217/21-Mechwarrior-Kult---Inferno-Star-Trek "The Duelist" issue #21] which advertises MechWarrior content on the cover but was't listed before.
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| − | :Both magazines are interesting, but they aren't 27 $ plus postage interesting for me. I'll go and suggest in that forum thread that people should put summaries up on Sarna. Need to get that Magazine articles article going... [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 03:08, 4 November 2017 (EDT)
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| + | [[Glenmora (Individual Trutzburg-class äDropShip)]]--[[User:Talvin|Talvin]] ([[User talk:Talvin|talk]]) 08:31, 11 July 2022 (EDT) |
| − | Your ''[[Legend-Killer]]'' article was beautiful to see, people building off minor edits and additions and using it to expand Sarna in such a fashion is more rewarding to to get any award. I would definitely give one in return if you were still accepting for such a great and complete article. [[User:Cyc|Cyc]] ([[User talk:Cyc|talk]]) 07:02, 6 November 2017 (EST)
| + | :Oops. Fixed. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 16:35, 11 July 2022 (EDT) |
| − | :Why, thank you. Glad you like it. :) [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 07:28, 6 November 2017 (EST) | |
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| − | == Re: InfoBoxIndMech == | + | == 25th Anniversary Introductory Box Set and BattleTech Einsteigerbox == |
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| − | It turns out it's as much caused by limitations of how mechs are categorized as anything, at the moment. Curious for your thoughts [[User_talk:Cease_to_Hope#InfoBoxIndMech|here]]. [[User:Cease to Hope|Cease to Hope]] ([[User talk:Cease to Hope|talk]]) 21:06, 9 November 2017 (EST)
| + | Hello Frabby. I saw your removal of the German edition information from [[25th Anniversary Introductory Box Set]] and the note on the edit. I am curious to get your vantage point on this. While the 2012 ''BattleTech Einsteigerbox'' did not adopt a German version of the title, it does appears that its cover and the components are a port over of those in the 25th Anniversary Introductory Box Set, using the component list from [https://web.archive.org/web/20160813065958/http://www.ulisses-spiele.de/sortiment/tabletop/battletech/produkte/36/battletech-einsteigerbox/ the archived product page from Ulisses-Spiele].) Some of the contained booklets have page counts off by four, but the descriptions of the maps and the 'Mechs, including the premium 'Mechs, seem to align. Even in the lower right hand corner of the cover [[:File:BattleTech Einsteigerbox-cover.jpg]] there is a note that reads '25 jahriges jubilaum kampfkollosse des 4 jahrtausends' (trans. 25th anniversary of the battle colossi of the 4th millennium) so it also seems to be acknowledging the 25th anniversary of BattleTech. It would seem proper to classify this as a German version of the ''25th Anniversary Introductory Box Set'' even though the title is vastly different. Is there something that I am missing or overlooking (whether in terms of interpretation or historical context)? An error on my part is quite possible, especially as German is not a language I am fluent in. I would be curious to get a proper understanding one way or the other. --[[User:Dude RB|Dude RB]] ([[User talk:Dude RB|talk]]) 19:47, 9 January 2023 (EST) |
| | + | :Need to research this a little more. The Anniversary Box and subsequent Introduction Box are very similar, that makes it difficult to decide which (if indeed any particular one) of them the German box is based on. It can't really be both though. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 11:51, 14 January 2023 (EST) |
| | + | ::One thing to note is that there are (at least) two different versions of the ''BattleTech Einsteigerbox''. One released in 2012. And one released in 2014. Ulisses-Spielle calls the latter ''BattleTech Einsteigerbox (Neuauflage)''. See [https://web.archive.org/web/20160813065958/http://www.ulisses-spiele.de/sortiment/tabletop/battletech/produkte/36/battletech-einsteigerbox/ BattleTech Einsteigerbox] and [https://web.archive.org/web/20140910183509/http://www.ulisses-spiele.de/produkte/954/battletech-einsteigerbox-neuauflage/ BattleTech Einsteigerbox (Neuauflage)] for a comparison. In fact at the bottom of the web-listing for the older one is a link to the entry for the newer one. --[[User:Dude RB|Dude RB]] ([[User talk:Dude RB|talk]]) 12:59, 14 January 2023 (EST) |
| | + | After looking into this I fully agree with you and have re-inserted the German edition parts into the 25th Anniversary Box article. Thanks for calling me out on this mistake. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 05:55, 19 January 2023 (EST) |
| | + | :Thanks for the update and the independent confirmation. It is definitely good to have another set of eyes to help confirm or correct. --[[User:Dude RB|Dude RB]] ([[User talk:Dude RB|talk]]) 19:20, 20 January 2023 (EST) |
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| − | == Battletech Character Profiles on other sites == | + | ==Disambig (cont.)== |
| − | Hi Frabby. This such WEIRD thing. I've seen it for another character. I forgot how to spell Cassie Suthorn's name so i googled it. [https://www.scribd.com/document/275410506/Cassie-Suthorn This weird thing comes up.] I know it's properly a bot uploading things to try advertise, but our article ripped from Sarna. No difference in writing. One of the subtitles for it, is she a UNITED STATES ARMY RANGER -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] ([[User talk:Wrangler|talk]]) 06:59, 17 November 2017 (EST) | + | Hi Frabby, I'm not sure if you read my last reply in my talk page's Disambig discussion. Have you given any more thought to matter? --[[User:Csdavis715|Csdavis715]] ([[User talk:Csdavis715|talk]]) 09:08, 22 September 2023 (EDT) |
| − | : Weird indeed. According to wikipedia, scribd is no stranger to copyright infringement; and selling (free) Sarna content as part of a subscription service is certainly skirting the edge of legality. I'll drop Nic a note. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 09:45, 17 November 2017 (EST) | + | :Just checking in. As of this moment we are at 1,252 disambig pages and still climbing. I've finished going through all Clan characters and bloodnames currently in the database and have moved on to systems. Deadfire has helped me eliminate several hundred "structural" redirects to improve the search and autocomplete functions. Continuing to add disambig/seeother notes on non-Clan pages as previously discussed. Do you feel things are working and progressing to your satisfaction? [[User:Csdavis715|Csdavis715]] ([[User talk:Csdavis715|talk]]) 07:23, 9 November 2023 (EST) |
| | + | ::You're putting much more work into this than I ever did, honestly. I'm totally fine with it. In individual cases I might disagree regarding the disambig/seeother tag at the page header but if and when I run across something and actually find the time to lean into it, I'll ping you. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 07:52, 9 November 2023 (EST) |
| | + | :::Appreciate it. If you feel the wording of the tag can be improved, of course please make whatever adjustments you feel is appropriate. Sometimes it's not always clear and I'm just doing a quick scan of the article for key words to put in. [[User:Csdavis715|Csdavis715]] ([[User talk:Csdavis715|talk]]) 08:06, 9 November 2023 (EST) |
| | + | ::Following up on something. Going through the DropShips and WarShips looking for same-named ships, I didn't realize just how many ships were needlessly disambiguated. I didn't count but there's maybe 100? My feelings on this have changed since you first mentioned it last August. Some of them make sense and understandable to leave as is, but if given the opportunity one day I'd be happy to move 90% of them back to their appropriate, simplified links, along with text replacements to rid the wiki of redirects that we don't need, decluttering the search function a little. [[User:Csdavis715|Csdavis715]] ([[User talk:Csdavis715|talk]]) 01:07, 4 March 2024 (EST) |
| | + | :Oh, you're really preaching to the choir here. Apparently, someone got the notion that all ship names should be disambiguated to "name (class, type)". That wasn't my idea and I never liked it. You are very welcome to purge unneccessary redirects and disambiguations! A word of caution though, there are some edge cases where a ship was renamed and one of its earlier names may be a redirect that requires disambiguation (we do try to track previous names by redirecting these names to the vessel's latest established name). [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 01:37, 4 March 2024 (EST) |
| | + | ::When the time comes, I'll be thorough during my checks. :) [[User:Csdavis715|Csdavis715]] ([[User talk:Csdavis715|talk]]) 02:21, 4 March 2024 (EST) |
