User talk:Neuling

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Need help

Hy Neuling, i send you a pm on the aris forum.--Doneve (talk) 09:04, 22 May 2013 (PDT)

You have a new pm.--Doneve (talk) 09:53, 23 May 2013 (PDT)

SLDF Commands

Is it ok when i create the categorys, you added to the various SLDF pages.--Doneve (talk) 11:16, 23 May 2013 (PDT)

LCAF March

Neuling - All this information could just go under the LCAF article. At the time, they didn't use the word "March". ClanWolverine101 (talk) 09:22, 1 June 2013 (PDT)

Maps

Hy Neuling please add also some links to our BattleTechWiki:Project Planets/Planet Overhaul/Faction Map Gallery page, thanks.--Doneve (talk) 12:01, 5 June 2013 (PDT)

Ullead

Hy Neuling, where can i found the Ullead System programm?--Doneve (talk) 08:08, 13 June 2013 (PDT)

Maps

Hy, great work, i love your maps, can you add all to the BattleTechWiki:Project Planets/Planet Overhaul/Faction Map Gallery from your user:test page, i appricate this, and i think BM love it to.--Doneve (talk) 16:02, 14 June 2013 (PDT)

Hy again, can you create maps from Jihad: Final Reckoning and Field Manual: 3085, this where very cool.--Doneve (talk) 11:19, 10 July 2013 (PDT)

Ok we need also maps from Era Report: 3145, also maps i talk to you above, the years are 3081, 3085, 3135 and 3145.--Doneve (talk) 09:47, 28 July 2013 (PDT)

Hy Neuling,

Following up on Doneve's comments (and my review on my talk page) I'd like to give you this award as thanks for your work on maps to support the Planets Project - it's very much appreciated.

BrokenMnemonic (talk) 14:31, 27 August 2013 (PDT)

Øystein's Maps

Hi Neuling, I see you're ripping a lot of maps from Oystein Tvedten's private homepage. Since these maps are copyrighted, I hope you asked for his permission? Because Oystein complained about his maps being copied to Sarna before...

Also, mind that these maps are technically non-canon because they're his private work, and not published as an official BT product. Frabby (talk) 01:53, 16 August 2013 (PDT)

Hi Frabby,

Jumping in a little - I discussed the canonical maps with Rev back when I started getting involved with the Planets project, and Rev indicated that the maps that were being chopped up, recoloured, resized et al should be fine to use under the Fair Use regs because of the purposes for which they were being used, although all of them needed to clearly indicate the original source.

I've not checked the provenance of the 3130 map Neuling's using (the link won't load for me at work) but I gather the 3130 map from the MechWarrior: Age of Destruction game is canonical and can reasonably be used as well even though it's not been published in a sourcebook or one of the other typical canon sources, because it was issued with the various MW:AOD clix properties. So, if that's the source of the 3130 map, I think it should be ok under the Fair Use terms again, although I thought Doneve and I had already uploaded lots of bits of it as a part of the Project: Planets work.

I'd not heard about Øystein complaining about maps he's made being used here - can you provide a reference or link? I really don't want to upset him, and I'd like to check if there's anything I've done for which I should get permission from him directly that I may not have picked up on. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 02:13, 16 August 2013 (PDT)

Back in April 2011 I got a PM from Øystein over at the BT forum where he voiced being "displeased" with a certain Sarna article, elaborating "More specifically that someone has just copied my map files without asking me, telling me, or even crediting me. As the permission I got from WK/CGL was for me to have the maps on my personal pages, I would prefer it if the links were changed to linking to my map files, instead of being hosted locally." I raised the issue here on Sarna BTW but (of course...) I cannot find the relevant entries anymore. Just grabbing images from the web was never legal, and Mr. Tvedten is among the people on whose toes we definitely don't want to step. Since he asked me as admin, I also feel a certain personal obligation to make sure it doesn't happen again.

As for canonicity, let me word it more precisely: Øystein's homepage is not an official, much less canonical, source of BT information. It could arguably be described as a meta-source if the maps hosted there had previously been published as official BT material. The general rule is that anything and everything that doesn't come from an official, legal BattleTech publication is just fan fiction. Frabby (talk) 02:52, 16 August 2013 (PDT)

Hmm... I'm surprised that entire maps were being hosted here, which I'd definitely agree is outside the bounds of Fair Use.

Regarding the 3130 map - that was apparently available in hard copy with certain MW:AOD products. Does that mean that to be used here, someone would have to upload portions of a scan copy of an original hard copy, rather than using portions of the copy hosted at Øystein's site? BrokenMnemonic (talk) 03:11, 16 August 2013 (PDT)

Technically, yes. But I admit it's my legal thinking here that demands scans of maps generated from these files, because the paper maps (and not the files) were the official product.

In any case, I'm not concerned about the canonicity of the maps so much as about whether or not anyone bothered to ask Øystein before material from his homepage was copied over to Sarna, something he asked us not to do in the past. Frabby (talk) 03:42, 16 August 2013 (PDT)

Jaguar Logos

Hi, Alpha, Beta and Delta are in Era Report: 3052. Two of these were also made by Fighting Piranha Graphics. Epsilon and Kappa are from Turning Point Luzerne. While there are descriptions of other logos I am still trying to track down a canon picture. Hopefully I'll be able to add some more soon. - Dark Jaguar (talk) 14:53, 19 October 2013 (PDT)

Timeline brigade

Bring you the page to work?--Doneve (talk) 13:59, 6 November 2013 (PST)

"Pirate" article subject?

I'm confused; is the Pirate page supposed to be about pirates in general, or just the one Death's Consorts unit? -BobTheZombie (talk) 21:12, 16 November 2013 (PST)