Karagin
01/05/05 03:57 PM
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Below is a small craft/gunboat I am working on. I need to know what is thought of it and what areas can be improved. Also if you have some ideas on which group would use them etc...feel free to post them.
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AeroTech 2 Vessel Technical Readout
VALIDATED
Class/Model/Name: Legati Gunboat Mk3
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3067
Vessel Type: Aerodyne Small Craft
Rules: Level 2, Standard design
Rules Set: AeroTech2
Mass: 200 tons
Length: 25 meters
Power Plant: Standard
Safe Thrust: 5
Maximum Thrust: 8
Armor Type: Ferro-aluminum
Armament:
1 Arrow IV System
2 Rotary AC/5
2 ER Medium Laser
1 AMS
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Class/Model/Name: Legati Gunboat Mk3
Mass: 200 tons
Equipment: Mass
Power Plant, Drive & Control: 65.00
Thrust: Safe Thrust: 5
Maximum Thrust: 8
Structural Integrity: 11 11.00
Total Heat Sinks: 17 Double 16.00
Fuel & Fuel Pumps: 6.50
Bridge, Controls, Radar, Computer & Attitude Thrusters: 1.50
Fire Control Computers: .00
Armor Type: Ferro-aluminum (465 total armor pts) 23.50
Standard Scale Armor Pts
Location: L / R
Fore: 117
Left/Right Wings: 116/116
Aft: 116
Crew and Passengers:
1 Officers (0 minimum) 10.00
2 Crew (2 minimum) 14.00
1 Gunners (1 minimum) 7.00
Weapons and Equipment Loc SRV MRV LRV ERV Heat Mass
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1 Arrow IV System Nose 20 20 20 20 10 15.00
Ammo (Arrow IV) 15 --- 3.00
1 Rotary AC/5 RW 20 20 -- -- 6 10.00
1 Rotary AC/5 LW 20 20 -- -- 6 10.00
Ammo (RAC/5) 80 --- 4.00
1 ER Medium Laser RW 5 5 -- -- 5 1.00
1 ER Medium Laser LW 5 5 -- -- 5 1.00
1 AMS Aft -- -- -- -- 1 .50
Ammo (AMS) 12 --- 1.00
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TOTALS: Heat: 33 200.00
Tons Left: .00
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 19,006,120 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,938
Cost per BV: 9,807.08
Weapon Value: 2,854 (Ratio = 1.47)
Damage Factors: SRV = 60; MRV = 48; LRV = 6; ERV = 1
Maintenance: Maintenance Point Value (MPV) = 2,943
(1,139 Structure, 850 Life Support, 954 Weapons)
Support Points (SP) = 5,289 (180% of MPV)
BattleForce2: MP: 5, Armor/Structure: 12 / 0
Damage PB/M/L: 5/5/2, Overheat: 0
Class: DS; Point Value: 19
Specials: artA
Karagin
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Silenced_Sonix
01/05/05 04:42 PM
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Davion DropShip hunter?
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Karagin
01/05/05 04:44 PM
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Has merit.
Karagin
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Silenced_Sonix
01/05/05 04:48 PM
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Arrow IV to punch holes in the hull, RAC/5's to engage the weapon mounts, AMS and lasers for close defense. Now it just needs an infantry bay for marines, and you would be set (drop some of the armor perhaps?).
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Karagin
01/05/05 04:50 PM
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That is a possiblty. I can see it being used the way you are are suggesting.
It could lose some armor and still be able to take hits and do it's job..I will but this idea down in the notes.
Karagin
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Silenced_Sonix
01/05/05 04:58 PM
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Always a pleasure to be of service. *takes a bow*
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Cray
01/06/05 08:08 AM
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Now this is what I'd want as a patrol cutter. It's got armor, guns, endurance, and a reasonable price. Good job.
What group would use them? Probably those folks looking for patrol cutters to protect their shipping from pirates. Also, planetary militias interested in patrol vessels with much more range than fighters can deliver.
Mike Miller, Materials Engineer
Disclaimer: Anything stated in this post is unofficial and non-canon unless directly quoted from a published book. Random internet musings of a BattleTech writer are not canon.
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Karagin
01/06/05 10:39 AM
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I think I can add that to the list of jobs the Legati can and will be doing.
Karagin
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Cray
01/06/05 01:48 PM
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Call me slow, but is the Legati a name for a big ass fighter from Renegade Legion?
Mike Miller, Materials Engineer
Disclaimer: Anything stated in this post is unofficial and non-canon unless directly quoted from a published book. Random internet musings of a BattleTech writer are not canon.
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Karagin
01/06/05 02:05 PM
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Yes, it's one of my conversions from that game over to AT2. Thought I would get some more fun with these vessels in BT. Since Renegade Legion is all but dead.
Karagin
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MaddogDCD
01/08/05 04:50 PM
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I really like this design and I have to say that it seems unique. It has inspired me to make a similiar one, like an AC-130 gunboat, for ground support missions. One question though, why the AMS in the aft?
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Silenced_Sonix
01/09/05 09:59 AM
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To shoot down missile salvoes from tailing fighters?
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Karagin
01/10/05 12:17 PM
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That would be correct.
Karagin
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MaddogDCD
01/11/05 06:10 PM
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Wouldn't the AMS be more effective in the front?
You have 116 points of armor on all four sides (117 in front) and you're more likely to take damage to the fore and sides as you'll be engaging the enemy. When it comes time to return, retreat, refuel or whatever, I don't see the enemy getting all that many shots in against your rear. If they couldn't shread your fore armor, I really can't see them shreading your rear armor. And over the period over 1-2 rounds, you'll knock out a maximum of 12 incoming missles. That's like an extra 12 points of armor and I'd think that be better to have in the fore. And if you're still worried about trailing enemies, those ERML could always be pointed towards the rear.
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Karagin
01/11/05 10:53 PM
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It would be better to have it on the top in it's own turret, but you can't do that with AT2 rules at this time.
Having it in the rear is more for the vaule of surprise and extra portection. Think about this, you have your fighter all lined up to attack the rear...and the Streaks you fire are then blasted from sky. For most folks they won't repeat the same attack if it's stopped.
Karagin
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MaddogDCD
01/13/05 04:24 PM
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Quote:
It would be better to have it on the top in it's own turret, but you can't do that with AT2 rules at this time.
This is where an ink pen comes in and on the record sheet, you write turret next to AMS. And if you're playing at home, anyone that argues with you can hit the road. 
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Karagin
01/13/05 06:05 PM
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True...
Karagin
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Silenced_Sonix
01/13/05 06:39 PM
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Technically, the turret will have to weigh ten percent of anything mounted in it, so you might have to trim some weight off the ship if you want to do that and still be legal about it.
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Karagin
01/14/05 11:55 AM
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Good point.
Karagin
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Silenced_Sonix
01/16/05 03:23 PM
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Then, if you want to get really technical, you could give the turret an internal structure value as well as some armor, but then you will eventually end up with a flying vehicle.
Thinking of those turrets, you could put some limits on them like only 70+ ton fighters can use them, and when the craft is flying in the atmosphere, its thrust is reduced by one point due to the rather un-aerodynamic nature of most aircraft turrets (in space, this would not matter). The turret should also not be able to mount all of the really big weapons (GR, HGR, AC20, LT, SNPR, THMPR, etc) and any missile pack except the largest in its class. You could then also designate whether the turret is dorsal or ventral, with a different firing arc limitation depending on the location.
But I guess that would be up to you guys.
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Karagin
01/17/05 10:49 PM
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Nice. I like what you have suggested. I am going to add that to my notes and see what the folks in my group think.
Karagin
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Silenced_Sonix
01/18/05 02:51 PM
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If you want some great ideas, look back in history - WWII is especially rich in material. It was from this that the idea of the turrets came - thinking of the those British Lancasters with their multi-gun turrets trying to shoot down the German fighters.
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wartang
02/02/05 12:50 AM
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some the gun turrets were made in line with the body such as the (lancaster with its tail turret) and if you look at wwII black widow its top turret was fairly aerodaimanic
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Silenced_Sonix
02/04/05 05:52 PM
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Well, the Black Widow was a dedicated night-fighter the then-USAAF used to kill Japannese bombers. It was also not uncommon for the turret to be locked in the forward position to augment the fire-power of the other (nose?) guns. Turret-wise, I guess that makes it a bit of an odd one out. When talking turrets, I meant like on the B-17, Lancaster, He. 111, Il-4, etc.
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Karagin
10/16/05 07:53 PM
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Anyone else have any ideas on improving this?
Karagin
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wolfcannon
10/17/05 08:07 PM
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no looks pretty descent.
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