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11/30/13 03:52 AM
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AeroTech 2 Vessel Technical Readout
* CUSTOM WEAPONS
Class/Model/Name: Phoenix IIC (Battlestation)
Tech: Clan / 3072
Vessel Type: WarShip
Rules: Level 3, Custom design
Rules Set: AeroTech2
Mass: 2,500,000 tons
K-F Drive System: (Unknown)
Length: 2,250 meters
Sail Diameter: 1,850 meters
Power Plant: Standard
Safe Thrust: 3
Maximum Thrust: 5
Armor Type: Lamellor Ferro-carbide
Armament:
112 Heavy NPPC
160 ER PPC
64 Large Pulse Laser
8 AR10 Launcher
48 LAMS*
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==Overview:==
As soon as New Vandenberg and seventeen other Periphery worlds revolted in
2765 against stiff Star League taxes, unstable First Lord Richard Cameron
embarked on construction of a Battlestation class warship named the Phoenix.
Despite the assassination of Lord Cameron in 2766 by Stefan Amaris and the
chaos that ensued, the Phoenix was completed in 2775. The design and
construction utilized vast Star League resources along with the most
sophisticated warship construction techniques and equipment at an undisclosed
location.
The philosophy of the Battlestation class warship was to squash rebellions
and strike fear in all those who would think about opposing the Star League.
Apparently, at that point, trying to keep the Star League together outweighed
any other consideration. The fearsome reputation of the Battlestation is well
deserved since the design possesses the firepower of a small fleet.
The first and only Battlestation class warship was named after a legendary
Terran bird Phoenix which is said to live 500 years, die in a fiery blaze,
only to again rise from its ashes to live as an emblem of immortality. The
Phoenix is a spherically designed warship that is vaguely similar to a super
sized Union Dropship. The exterior of the station is heavily armored and the
interior is heavily reinforced and sectionalized which makes boarding actions
difficult especially with large equipment or weapons (including Clan
Elementals).
The design’s large fighter capacity give it additional mission flexibility
and firepower. One of the most unusual aspects of the Phoenix is its advanced
jump drive which reportedly allows the Battlestation to stay in jump space for
an extended period of time although the effects of doing so are unknown. Some
have speculated that this ability to stay in jump space was used by members of
the Star League army when they seized the Phoenix just shortly before General
Kerensky could depart with it on his exodus in 2784. Although it may have
failed to keep the Star League together, the Phoenix is an engineering marvel
and represents the pinnacle of Star League aerospace technology.
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Class/Model/Name: Phoenix IIC (Battlestation)
Mass: 2,500,000 tons
Equipment: Mass
Power Plant, Drive & Control: 450,000.00
Thrust: Safe Thrust: 3
Maximum Thrust: 5
Kearny-Fuchida Hyperdrive: Compact (Integrity = 47) 1,131,250.00
Jump Sail (Detachable): (Integrity = 9) 155.00
Structural Integrity: 150 375,000.00
Total Heat Sinks: 18,136 Double 17,143.00
Fuel & Fuel Pumps: 16,320.00
Bridge, Controls, Radar, Computer & Attitude Thrusters: 6,250.00
Fire Control Computers: 43,736.00
Food & Water: (365 days supply) 4,302.00
Hyperpulse Generator: 50.00
Armor Type: Lamellor Ferro-carbide (8,340 total armor pts) 7,500.00
Capital Scale Armor Pts
Location: L / R
Fore: 1,390
Fore-Left/Right: 1,390/1,390
Aft-Left/Right: 1,390/1,390
Aft: 1,390
Cargo:
Bay 1: Fighters (200) with 8 doors 30,000.00
Small Craft (10) 2,000.00
Fighter/ Small Craft Supplies (1) 15,000.00
Bay Personnel Quarters (450) 3,150.00
DropShip Capacity: 6 Docking Hardpoints 6,000.00
Grav Decks #1 - 6: (225-meter diameter) 600.00
Life Boats: 198 (7 tons each) 1,386.00
Escape Pods: 198 (7 tons each) 1,386.00
Crew and Passengers:
275 Officers (264 minimum) 2,750.00
1,150 Crew (270 minimum) 8,050.00
170 Gunners (166 minimum) 1,190.00
10 1st Class Passengers 100.00
300 Marine Battle Armor Troopers/Elementals 2,100.00
1 Admiral's Quarters 50.00
1 Captain's Quarters 40.00
450 Bay Personnel .00
Weapons and Equipment Loc SRV MRV LRV ERV Heat Mass
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4 Heavy NPPC Nose 60 60 60 60 900 12,000.00
4 Heavy NPPC Nose 60 60 60 60 900 12,000.00
10 ER PPC Nose 15(150)15(150)15(150) -- 150 60.00
10 ER PPC Nose 15(150)15(150)15(150) -- 150 60.00
10 ER PPC Nose 15(150)15(150)15(150) -- 150 60.00
8 Large Pulse Laser Nose 8(80) 8(80) 8(80) -- 80 48.00
1 AR10 (10 KW, 10 WS, 10 B)Nose * * * * 20 1,450.00
12 LAMS* Nose -- -- -- -- 60 12.00
4 Heavy NPPC FL/R 60 60 60 60 1800 24,000.00
4 Heavy NPPC FL/R 60 60 60 60 1800 24,000.00
4 Heavy NPPC FL/R 60 60 60 60 1800 24,000.00
4 Heavy NPPC FL/R 60 60 60 60 1800 24,000.00
4 Heavy NPPC FL/R 60 60 60 60 1800 24,000.00
10 ER PPC FL/R 15(150)15(150)15(150) -- 300 120.00
8 Large Pulse Laser FL/R 8(80) 8(80) 8(80) -- 160 96.00
1 AR10 (10 KW, 10 WS, 10 B)FL/R * * * * 40 2,900.00
4 Heavy NPPC L/RBS 60 60 60 60 1800 24,000.00
4 Heavy NPPC L/RBS 60 60 60 60 1800 24,000.00
10 ER PPC L/RBS 15(150)15(150)15(150) -- 300 120.00
10 ER PPC L/RBS 15(150)15(150)15(150) -- 300 120.00
10 ER PPC L/RBS 15(150)15(150)15(150) -- 300 120.00
8 Large Pulse Laser L/RBS 8(80) 8(80) 8(80) -- 160 96.00
1 AR10 (10 KW, 10 WS, 10 B)L/RBS * * * * 40 2,900.00
12 LAMS* L/RBS -- -- -- -- 120 24.00
4 Heavy NPPC AL/R 60 60 60 60 1800 24,000.00
4 Heavy NPPC AL/R 60 60 60 60 1800 24,000.00
4 Heavy NPPC AL/R 60 60 60 60 1800 24,000.00
4 Heavy NPPC AL/R 60 60 60 60 1800 24,000.00
4 Heavy NPPC AL/R 60 60 60 60 1800 24,000.00
10 ER PPC AL/R 15(150)15(150)15(150) -- 300 120.00
8 Large Pulse Laser AL/R 8(80) 8(80) 8(80) -- 160 96.00
1 AR10 (10 KW, 10 WS, 10 B)AL/R * * * * 40 2,900.00
4 Heavy NPPC Aft 60 60 60 60 900 12,000.00
4 Heavy NPPC Aft 60 60 60 60 900 12,000.00
10 ER PPC Aft 15(150)15(150)15(150) -- 150 60.00
10 ER PPC Aft 15(150)15(150)15(150) -- 150 60.00
10 ER PPC Aft 15(150)15(150)15(150) -- 150 60.00
8 Large Pulse Laser Aft 8(80) 8(80) 8(80) -- 80 48.00
1 AR10 (10 KW, 10 WS, 10 B)Aft * * * * 20 1,450.00
12 LAMS* Aft -- -- -- -- 60 12.00
1 Lot Spare Parts (1.00%) 25,000.00
1 Large Naval Comm-Scanner 500.00
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TOTALS: Heat: 28,640 2,500,000.00
Tons Left: .00
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 13,883,598,000 C-Bills
Battle Value: 364,580
Cost per BV: 38,081.07
Weapon Value: 362,005 (Ratio = .99)
Damage Factors: SRV = 18,577; MRV = 18,013; LRV = 13,339; ERV = 4,954
Maintenance: Maintenance Point Value (MPV) = 1,836,723
(428,900 Structure, 680,975 Life Support, 726,848 Weapons)
Support Points (SP) = 1,844,535 (100% of MPV)
BattleForce2: Not applicable
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Karagin
11/30/13 05:40 PM
24.243.178.124
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They don't. Some folks can't build small ships cause their munchkin must win way of playing is not going to happen.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Karagin
11/30/13 05:56 PM
24.243.178.124
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Some of them don't see that, they see the bigger is better and thus they can cram all of the super cool weapons on it.
Same thing with mechs, all of the alpha strike players and other munchkins won't use smaller mechs cause they can't win with them, since they don't offer all the perks of being able to munch out to allow them to win at all cost.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Karagin
11/30/13 06:34 PM
24.243.178.124
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That is something I have seen done many times. But most folks don't want to play at that level, they want a fun game that challenges them and offers them something for winning or even losing. Mucnhkins and powerplayers and others of this type can't enjoy themselves unless they are winning and they will find a way to win at all cost. The ship here in question is another such animal, it's not by any means the best of the munchkin style but it is another example of using the rules to make it so others will have a hard time against it.
Most folks would tell ATN no, you can't use this ship, or they will say okay use it, but here is my counter, XX number of warships with full dropship and aerofighters etc...and then ATN is in a position that means he can't win against the numbers so to him that would be cheating cause we aren't playing at his level of play. My opinion only.
If someone showed up to my group, we would not let him use this ship. It would be a fight none of us would be interested in and would tell him up front sorry but no. Same with the munchkin mechs/vehicles. We had an invite open to two groups of folks we met at a local convention back in 1999. They wanted to play a three-sided fight, scenario was simple, we each get two mechs, any tonnage or tech, No LAMs though, and piloting/gunnery would be rolled right before game started. Well it only took the first turn for us to realize that group be came full munchkin-tard. One player had a 70 Clan tech mech with 4 Lg Pulse lasers, enough heat sinks and a TC, so even with his crappy pilot he was all ready to go full bore. His second mechs twin LBX10s with nothing but cluster and 4 SRM6s. Similar style for the other three players of his group.
The rest of us had a mix of book mechs and home designs and none of us had planned on fighting munchkin warriors. The battle played out and overall it was something I don't want to play again. It was nothing but a Solaris style fight, no tactics no thinking, just move and shoot, very similar to POS Mechwarrior games for the computer and the XBox. This was not fun for anyone but the group that was there to win no matter what.
We never did see that group of players again, not at the next convention or anyother for that matter, I guess they went on to other games.
Point is not many folks like playing against munchkins and given how ATN takes comments against his postings, well I am sure we will see him defend this spacestation/warship Death Star wannabe till he comes up with some other clone of it to share with us.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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