Cray
03/02/14 08:21 PM
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you don't see double sinks on vehicles because they are not allow. That was pointed out to me when I had forgot this point.
Right, but if your 'Mechs use SHS, then they can salvage replacement SHS from vehicles. 'Mechs using DHS can't salvage heat sinks from vehicles.
Mike Miller, Materials Engineer
Disclaimer: Anything stated in this post is unofficial and non-canon unless directly quoted from a published book. Random internet musings of a BattleTech writer are not canon.
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Retry
03/02/14 08:21 PM
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If you lose this Fireball because you didn't have the DHS to crit sink the shot that just happens to hit your engine, the salvage point is moot.
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Karagin
03/02/14 08:22 PM
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Right so toss out logic, makes the game so much better.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Retry
03/02/14 08:22 PM
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Can't tell if sarcasm or...
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ghostrider
03/02/14 08:29 PM
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Did the new updates say that clan tech is easily available to all?
Did the change it so innersphere tech is easily available to the clans?
Or is the stuff still available to just certain political entities?
I am sure the arc royal defense cordon (if it still exists) doesn't swap the tech, and they have both sides of that argument in them.
I was going to get extreme with an example of using 100's of warships, but that would be going in the wrong direction with this.
It is your game. I know there are some ideas I like about it, and some that just go to far for alot of people here.
Next suggestion would be bring out the robotech rules, where you can fire a 50to75 damage particle beam cannon 4 times in 15 seconds. That should take care of defense.
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Retry
03/02/14 08:32 PM
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Clan tech is still limited to the clans, but as I tried to say the tech isn't made in the clans and shipped to the planet, it is made at the planet itself that has quality like clanmade weapons.
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ghostrider
03/02/14 08:44 PM
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Having the tech to build both sides items is the issue alot of people have with the crossroads idea.
Research vs the amount of people in it is the problem here. There is no way, short of stealing or buying the tech, that you could have a single system do all the research needed.
I tried to keep this in the general thread, but I guess that was a fail.
It is like saying sri lanka was able to build stealth fighters before the U.S could.
Or that monaco could.
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KamikazeJohnson
03/02/14 08:56 PM
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I've tried to stay out of the Crossroads discussion, but it's starting to get tiring...
Personally I don't have a problem with it...a non-canon faction that has access to the best toys from all the factions. Sure, the backstory may not quite be plausible in the canon BT universe, but if Retry has fun building and fielding these units with his group, I don't see why anyone else really cares.
No one complains about a Mechwarrior character who manages to get rich enough to buy the Free Worlds League, so why is Crossroads such a big issue?
Peace is that glorious moment in history when everyone stands around reloading.
--Thomas Jefferson
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Karagin
03/02/14 08:58 PM
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Wait? A character got rich enough to buy the FWL? Wow...I have never seen that happen, need to talk to Jon about how he hands out rewards...wow.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Retry
03/02/14 09:04 PM
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Of course it's not plausible because it never happened.
And why has this been brought up for no reason?
(And it's more like comparing it to a wealthy city-state to, perhaps, I don't know, the medieval Russia area? It may be rich with land, but it would be quite empty for all the land it possesses.)
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ghostrider
03/02/14 09:06 PM
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I think the issue here is mixing both technologies to get the best of both worlds without any drawbacks.
I personally think it should not be allowed, but it is your gaming group.
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Retry
03/02/14 09:10 PM
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You gave the explanation of the drawback perfectly when you said the following:
"All the clans would have lined up fighting trials of possession or grievence to get at the lowly freebirths."
Back on topic please?
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Karagin
03/02/14 09:16 PM
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Good point Ghostrider the all good with none of the bad, that does tend to sour folks on things.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Retry
03/02/14 09:17 PM
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Forget nearsighted, you apparently are completely to oblivious to anything that anyone says that even starts to suggests otherwise to what you believe.
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Karagin
03/02/14 09:24 PM
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I am sorry Retry, to what are you talking about? I see quite well in fact, I have 20/10 in each eye.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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ghostrider
03/02/14 09:28 PM
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No one complains about a Mechwarrior character who manages to get rich enough to buy the Free Worlds League, so why is Crossroads such a big issue?
I take it that was a rhetorical question then? 
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KamikazeJohnson
03/02/14 09:40 PM
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No one complains about a Mechwarrior character who manages to get rich enough to buy the Free Worlds League, so why is Crossroads such a big issue?
I take it that was a rhetorical question then?
It was a bit of an exaggeration, but my point was that players build characters and Merc units etc. that can end up completely out of place in BT canon, and no one really has a problem with that occurrence, when it would be about as likely to happen as Retry's Crossroads back story.
Peace is that glorious moment in history when everyone stands around reloading.
--Thomas Jefferson
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ghostrider
03/02/14 09:48 PM
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One of the people had a problem with his game. His players had everything maxed out and he couldn't challenge them. They stripped the entire field of everything that was there. By the time he started a new game, they were extremely rich.
Still alot of this is coming from a few points that several people have a hard stance on.
This thread started with the argument of having double heat sinks on a mech that doesn't need them. Then it blew out of the subject and worsened.
I would think it will in each thread. Hopefully not.
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Retry
03/02/14 09:54 PM
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The forces will consist of a mix of star-league level stuff from territories of the periphery nation and the supposed "ubermin-maxed stuff". More of the former.
Anyways, DHS.
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ghostrider
03/02/14 10:00 PM
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The mech was originally designed to kill elementals. I think it had an mg on it.
And tastes great.. no.. less filling.
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Retry
03/02/14 10:00 PM
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Elementals? MGs aren't that great on BA at all.
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ghostrider
03/02/14 10:01 PM
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They didn't know that when they first were dealing with them. I believe the mg was to knock them off friendly mechs without hurting the mechs.
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Karagin
03/02/14 10:01 PM
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At the time Retry, the IS didn't have SPLs etc...all that available, so they went with what they had. Thus many mechs had numerous MGs to deal with BA.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Retry
03/02/14 10:02 PM
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The poor fools!
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ghostrider
03/02/14 10:05 PM
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The original only had the streak and the mg.. it didn't even have the lasers..
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ghostrider
03/02/14 10:13 PM
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just noticed Karagin upgrading 3055 mechs in 3055..
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Karagin
03/02/14 10:24 PM
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Okay and none of the upgrades are beyond anything they had at the time...
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Cray
03/03/14 06:23 PM
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If you lose this Fireball because you didn't have the DHS to crit sink the shot that just happens to hit your engine, the salvage point is moot.
I wouldn't worry much about crit-sinking on a 20-ton 'Mech. It doesn't have enough internal structure points to get to the point where lots of crits get rolled. I mean, I've seen a badly critted 20-tonner but I've seen a lot more evaporate before crit rolling mattered.
Mike Miller, Materials Engineer
Disclaimer: Anything stated in this post is unofficial and non-canon unless directly quoted from a published book. Random internet musings of a BattleTech writer are not canon.
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Retry
03/03/14 06:29 PM
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It occurs often enough that DHS won't hurt.
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ghostrider
03/03/14 07:33 PM
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One point of engine damage will not take the mech out.
Losing the torso would, but that would cause alot of other problems as well.
With crays example, most the time you get alot of crits on a 20 tonner is when you are using mgs or srm 2 packs. Most other weapons kill the location and are done with it.
The argument of using dhs to soak up crits is one that most people will think it's a very horrible excuse. If the mech overheats badly, then yes dhs is a good argument.
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