Requiem
04/03/20 05:21 PM
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Ones Country equates to Ones Inner Sphere – this is a war between those within the Inner Sphere Versus those who are from beyond the Inner Sphere …..
ComStar is a part of every state in the Inner Sphere …. By their actions they have jeopardized the security of the Inner Sphere - by its actions have sided with enemy of those who they provide an essential military service (Communication) - Treason charge stands.
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Servitude means worse then reformation.
The reformation does not destroy the companies core identity – they will still operate the HPG network – however it will mean that they will have to give up on the idea of turning the IS into a single Blakean Theocracy. They (ComStar) will have to become a true part of the Inner Sphere – they will be forced to open the library doors to all of their hidden information to help all of the inner sphere..
This is the only way for ComStar to survive long term!
Otherwise Comstar will fall sooner of later - as this is what is going to happen in the future when the Republic finally kills them off for good!
If any adepts don’t want to go along with the program then break away and form the WoB or start a civil war – but don’t expect any assistance from the FWL if Thomas died in the explosion that killed his father – so they just disappear to the missing five worlds (that is if they even know of there existence – which is highly unlikely.
However, for those that see the need for reformation as well as the need of getting involved in the war they will accept the reformation.
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Make your own universe and do all those calculations that canon has missed, including all those numbers and such, and then present it.
I am only on drat 100 or thereabout – the list of changes that need to be included and then flow through time are extremely vast – fixing the clans on its own is a complex set of decisions.
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This entire alt concept needs to end, until it stops the canon is wrong. It should be like others saying they went off in this direction and not saying the game most play, is wrong and only my vision is right.
Really?
Then what happens to the ideas regarding ….
Clan PGS revolting against their masters …
Fenrir forces ….
Partisan / spy agencies in the clans rear ….
Attacking the Clans rear ….
Creating a massive wall of forces and pillboxes in front of the Clans’ advancing troops …
Psy-ops teams … and the clans non-warriors
The idea that the IS designed a playbook to fight the Clans
The idea that the Infantry were supplied with an anti-elemental weapon system – portable and deadly …..
The idea that the ID did manufacture Clan Weapons tech as the did have the capability of doing so …
The idea that once the clans came with their omnis all single weapon mechs would over time become obsolete …. Thus every single weapons mech would become obsolete …
The idea the IS should have a navy starting 3040 otherwise you end up in a Nuclear war post Turtle Bay …
Camelot Command and its strategic importance early within the war …
The issues with sibkos and logistics …..
The issues with regards to mass black box manufacturing – time to get them to the front ….
The issue that if the clans did have missives every 5 years from the dragoons / or a second unit they sent in every five years, as from 3020, how would they react to this news
The idea of where all the leviathans came from to transport whole clan populations to the inner sphere …
The idea of how long it took to even establish the exodus route for HPG communication as well as establishing a Logistics fleet necessary to ensure the invasion was well stocked – the idea that prior to the invasion every clan that was chosen for the invasion should have established a colony within the deep periphery to assist with logistics – ammunition spare parts,sibko training facilities, Jumpship and dropship repair facilities etc to cut down on the time between clan space and the IS
As well as a myriad of other issues that should have been considered …….
As is the invasion writing has too many plot holes going no where – the time required to think everyone trough is vast …. And will take time
Get thee to Coventry … Now is the winter of our discontent, made glorious by this daughter of Tharkad … Our army shall march through. Well to New Avalon tonight.
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ghostrider
04/03/20 09:36 PM
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The IS was never one state. Even the original SL, it wasn't. And by that logic, they should have picked sides in all of the wars fought within the IS. So that logic doesn't work
The reason WOB turned on Focht was that he DID turn his back on the Blakean Theocracy. That is part of the religious concepts for the workers. Blake, not any other sort of deity or saint is why the equipment worked.
And with the logic that just because they work and live in the IS means they must support and defend it is like saying China and Russia are part of Asia, so they need to support and defend all the other countries there. It just does not work that way. Using Terra right now would be even more to the point.
Oh? So the numbers are vast so that means the developers should have been wasting money on making up every last thing, so someone can say this or that is wrong, and they should have focused on making something people play? Circular logic is the problem here. One or the other. They are out to make money. So just like every other Sci Fi game, they ignored the actual economy. Even when they were being over run, countries in all wars still had to keep the infrastructure of their country going. So that means you can not spend every last penny on the military. You might win a battle or two, but lose the war.
The same thing that has happened with the things that weren't your ideas. Most people ignore it to play the game, and those that are your idea, needs to do all the background garbage in order to say yours is the only viable alternative.
No argument that canon has a bunch of issues, but I have yet to see someone make their own version with all the numbers to even start to show where it went wrong. You say they have all these resources, which is fine for your game. But to say the canon version is wrong, as it does not support your idea?
This is simple. Tell what you are doing, and don't pull the canon is wrong. 'I think this could be improved' start, middle and ending removes issues. My view is the only one doesn't work. I've been the only one stupid enough to try and answer the questions you claim to have, and yet refuse to do more then say it doesn't happen in my universe.
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Requiem
04/04/20 02:42 AM
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Comstar is both a separate entity and at the same time a part of the wider Inner Sphere Community – they have a social contract with all the Inner Sphere Houses – in violating this with the Clans their “Board of Officers” are guilty of Treason.
Example Company incorporate in one country has a subsidy in a third world country – that subsidy then causes an environmental catastrophe – they can sue that company and hold its members accountable – Treason Charges remain!
Comstar does have a social contract with all the Inner Sphere Houses – thus when found guilty of Treason they have but two choices
1. Face total destruction as every house takes all of their HPGs.
2. Reformation and supporting the War.
And yes it does work that way.
The Economy
As there are no records – this point cannot be made - the war of 3039 becomes a farce as the CC have no real economy they are down to next to no forces and the majority of their most important worlds are now in the hands of either the FWL of the FS.
Also considering the cost of a single warship you have got to wonder where them money came for these - and yet hey presto – there they are.
Numbers – Jumpships – no that can’t be done because they do not have the Jumpships?
Why then?
Get thee to Coventry … Now is the winter of our discontent, made glorious by this daughter of Tharkad … Our army shall march through. Well to New Avalon tonight.
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Cray
04/04/20 09:53 AM
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Comstar does have a social contract with all the Inner Sphere Houses – thus when found guilty of Treason they have but two choices
1. Face total destruction as every house takes all of their HPGs.
2. Reformation and supporting the War.
And yes it does work that way.
No, it doesn't work that way.
Depending on the era, ComStar has a House-scale military, one that fought 7 Clans to a standstill when no House could do that. ComStar isn't a simple telephone company with a cult on the side that can be arrested and assets seized. It's the Inner Sphere's largest bank that supplies the universal currency to everyone. Entire planets have telecommunications and postal services based on ComStar. Throughout its existence, ComStar has had planets of its own, including the heavily defended, heavily industrialized Terra. And during the bad years after Operation Scorpion it had a House willing to shelter and protect it.
When Hanse Davion tried to wage a shadow war with ComStar after the 4th Succession War, he lost. ComStar was the saintly, innocent organization that he couldn't confront in public without looking like a loon. Until Operation Scorpion or, arguably, the Jihad, ComStar was one of the most popular organizations in the Inner Sphere.
After Operation Scorpion, ComStar still managed to recover its standing with the public (and HPGs) by purging the religious nutso element (The Schism), forgiving some House debt, and passing around Star League technology (like helping Davion get its WarShip program off the ground). ComStar's standing with the public was so high that the religious nutso element, the Word of Blake, survived and thrived when sheltered in Marik.
Mike Miller, Materials Engineer
Disclaimer: Anything stated in this post is unofficial and non-canon unless directly quoted from a published book. Random internet musings of a BattleTech writer are not canon.
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ghostrider
04/04/20 12:32 PM
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The wider community of the IS?
The very community that used nukes like gun ammo? Killed millions for the hell of it? Constantly raid and attack each other?
Again. There is not a single state that is the IS. And with this, the DC, especially Chandy, should be held up on treason for selling to the enemy. This goes for all that have traded with the clans. This is treason, but not against the IS, but against the individual houses they belong to.
Have you lost touch with the way things happen in the world? A company has an issue in a country not of it's origin, and it is treason when they have an issue outside of this? It wasn't treason when Shell oil had that big spill back in the 70-80 era. And they still haven't paid up on it. And that was off Alaska, while Shell being a U.S company. Even having one of the company execs kill someone in a foreign nation, isn't treason. It is murder.
The 'continents' of the world aren't one nation. The EU, doesn't have all European countries that are part of it, so someone outside of it, could not be charged with treason. Check your history. Germany and Japan were not charged with treason when they started WWII.
You can not make up the numbers to show an economy of a single company? So how is it, your numbers are better thought out then the developers? You have no numbers, so throwing things against the wall and changing them when it suits you sounds.... like some of canon. And yet this is better how? Other then being YOUR idea?
This is fine for you universe. It is not fine to use these numbers that don't exist to say the canon numbers are absolutely wrong. Pull a rabbit out of a different hat.
The jumpship statement I would assume means the CC not losing the 4th war, if the clans had invaded at that point. With a quick pull out of troops to send to the clan front, the CC would have time to retake suddenly under garrisoned worlds, as well as some of the FS worlds that were left weak from using the forces to invade, then move to the clan front. As the FWL would be free to hit, they would be pulling defenders from other worlds. So it wouldn't be just the CC. And if it happened during the interdiction?
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Requiem
04/04/20 07:10 PM
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Sorry but I find this in error – Any company MUST adhere the laws that it operates within – ComStar is NOT exempt from legal prosecution if it is found to be conducting illegal activities within any of its states that it operates.
Aguinda v. ChevronTexaco (2011) – Chevon was held responsible for massive environmental damagae.
Exxon – Dec 2009 – paid the punitive damages (as per the Court Case)
Nuremberg Court - crimes against peace, war crimes, crimes against humanity, and conspiracy to commit any of the foregoing crimes
Japan - refer wiki for this
ComStar does not have carte blanche to do anything it wants and just walk away fro m the consequences, just because of their size.
If the Draconis Combine’s (as well as the Federated Commonwalth) spy organization can obtain definitive evidence that Watkerly, and by consequence ComStar, did provide the Clans with updated DCMS military information – there will be a reckoning!
The same argument can be provided for the Federated Commonwealth.
Publically (Trial) is the most devastating act – to publicly rebuke them (Walterly in particular) for their actions.
The Draconis Combines’s courts are an extension of the Government – if the Government has the will to start this action then it WILL proceed.
Politically, for the first time in a very long time, they have the chance to get their revenge upon ComStar publically – I doubt either Hanse or Theodore would give up the chance to publicly rebuke ComStar.
Just as ComStar can hold the States to account via an interdiction – the states can hold ComStar to account with Nationalization (Castro and Cuba).
Sorry but the I do not find the information provided to be of such weight as to change my mind – I still find it highly credible that ComStar can be put on trial for its actions.
They must be held accountable for their actions!
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Karagin
04/04/20 07:34 PM
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So jumping, if you are going to make an alternate version of things you can't just ignore factors that happen in the real setting, the best alternate histories don't just ignore details, they adjust them to fit the new histories. A big example, are some of the works by Harry Turtledove, he doesn't ignore details of history, he adjusts them to fit his new version. ComStar is still going to be ComStar, and what changes you make need to make sense.
I am not changing the WoB overall in my alternate take on things, I am changing the amount of damage they do longer-term and removing the POST Jihad silliness of the ROTS and the whole "Dark Age" mess. At the same time, I am trying to not turn this into a Traveller-Esque universe either.
All the stuff Cray said about ComStar has to be taken into account, maybe the thing that prevents them from facing the Clans, is that they are bogged down fighting House Laio or still playing Shadow Wars with the Fed-Com or that they feel they don't need to fight the Clans since it's not their problem, they hold Terra and can dig-in there. Those changes only remove certain things, but a battle similar to Tukayyid could still happen to slow the Clans and cause them to halt the fighting for the same or equal amount of time. ComStar's little divorce could still happen has some feel the need to punish the Inner Sphere for not embracing the Clans as the Star League Reborn. Nothing is forgotten, just changed to fit the new outcomes.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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ghostrider
04/04/20 09:53 PM
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Out of all of those lawsuits, how many were for treason? Not a single one. You can NOT charge someone for treason if they are not a citizen of your nation.
The IS is NOT a nation. Just as earth is not a nation. Espianage is the most likely term to be used, as they are taking state secrets from another and giving them to an enemy.
Might want to recheck the Exxon lawsuit. They never paid the entire money owed to all. The excuse is what the rich love to use to avoid paying anything. It will create an economic hardship for the company. So if they had payed the 5 billion dollars straight up, they would not have made 12 billion for that quarter. They would only have made 7 billion. That is just too much of a hardship for them to deal with, and the government allows it.
Comstar can do what it wants to a limit. Just like any company that is across borders. What is bad for one country, like pollution, is great for another, as they get the product without having to deal with it themselves. Cheap labor is the big one for this. Build in horribly poor countries and sell in the richest. Make more money with less output.
You don't hear the buyers of autos when they pay less for a foreign made vehicle then the expensive ones made in the country, especially when the foreign ones last longer.
As much as I hate it, the truth doesn't always win out. With the internet today, lies spread faster and are harder to counter, when people believe the first things out. And with controlling the coms, that sort of manipulation you love about Katherine is their master piece of dealing with accusations. Not even going into the illegal things like subliminal ads, but just spinning the truth like politicians love to do. ALL sides are corrupt. The ones that wins either has the money, or lies better then the other.
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Requiem
04/05/20 06:31 AM
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You can NOT charge someone for treason if they are not a citizen of your nation.
Jacobites and the Irish? - depends on how you look at it.
In understanding how far a country may go read Iva Toguri D’Aquino – Tokyo Rose – was a US Citizen / republican / degree in Zoology – went to visit a sick relative in Japan – Pearl Harbor – was not allowed to return to the US – made an individual without a country by US state department – had to live had to work for Radio Tokyo – never renounced her US citizenship (despite massive pressure to do so) - never said one word against America on her radio show – even smuggled food to POWs – on returning to USA - arrested – Tried for Treason (when she was still technically not a US citizen) – found guilty on one minor charge – spent 6 years in jail – released – investigation found the prosecutors witnesses were coached for months on what to say – Presidential Pardon (and at this stage was once more a US citizen)
And yet a US Amy pilot who defected to the Nazis in 1944 – Martin James Monti?
Comstar - Google? How many litigations and in how many countries? And how many other internet companies are facing litigation in other countries …..
This is where I still asset the charge of Treason …
Get thee to Coventry … Now is the winter of our discontent, made glorious by this daughter of Tharkad … Our army shall march through. Well to New Avalon tonight.
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Karagin
04/05/20 12:25 PM
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IF the person is a spy and caught and IS a citizen of the nation they are spying on, then yes treason can be applied and normally is, however, IF the spy that is caught is not a citizen of the said nation then no treason isn't applied, they normally get shot outright depending on the country, or they end up in the hands of the counter-intelligence group and what damage they have done is normally beaten out of them.
If someone defects, yes, that is treason, but only if they go back to their home nation.
As for the litigations, anyone can sue someone and do so in other countries as well; it doesn't mean you will win in all of them, and getting a verdict from say Spain to hold water in Chile is a lot harder then you think. Similar examples all the folks who have sued Saudi Arabia or Lybia for actions taken by their citizens, sure the folks suing won, but no monies or restitution have been forthcoming from either of those nations to the people who won the verdict.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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ghostrider
04/05/20 12:33 PM
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Where in that response does it say her citizenship was revoked? It says she never renounced it.
And as said with the conviction, was not guilty of treason, but falsely accused and convicted.
Circumstances in this are a problem. After the first strike, the country went into a very xenophobic idealism, As there seemed to be no real charge behind it, there is no basis for treason. Just a fraudulent charge that stuck due to this issue. This is more of an abuse of someone in power with a grudge, then a real charge. Sadly the person suffered for it.
Now litigation and treason are not the same thing. There are a lot of crimes you can be convicted of, but unless you are a citizen and have done something to harm the country you are a citizen of, then treason is not one of them. And the little sidestep of saying selling, or providing a product that is legal before a conflict isn't really one of them. Selling food is one such instance.
But this is legality terms defined.
Comstar worked in the IS, much like the U.N. but not a citizen of any one state. In fact, their control of Terra has them as a separate nation on its own, that is running a service to all, with supposedly being neutral. Sounds like the telecommunications companies of today.
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Cray
04/05/20 01:44 PM
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Comstar worked in the IS, much like the U.N. but not a citizen of any one state. In fact, their control of Terra has them as a separate nation on its own, that is running a service to all, with supposedly being neutral.
Yep. In the 2780s, each House recognized ComStar as a sovereign, neutral entity. They halted their First Succession War advances on Terra. The Inner Sphere always played hands off with ComStar and when they interfered, they were blacked out in the middle of war time. By the 31st Century, the Inner Sphere really treated ComStar as neutral and inviolate.
Mike Miller, Materials Engineer
Disclaimer: Anything stated in this post is unofficial and non-canon unless directly quoted from a published book. Random internet musings of a BattleTech writer are not canon.
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Karagin
04/05/20 03:29 PM
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Comstar worked in the IS, much like the U.N. but not a citizen of any one state. In fact, their control of Terra has them as a separate nation on its own, that is running a service to all, with supposedly being neutral.
Yep. In the 2780s, each House recognized ComStar as a sovereign, neutral entity. They halted their First Succession War advances on Terra. The Inner Sphere always played hands off with ComStar and when they interfered, they were blacked out in the middle of war time. By the 31st Century, the Inner Sphere really treated ComStar as neutral and inviolate.
Well as neutral as they could considering many in the House governments knew ComStar wasn't actually "netural" in the true sense of the words meaning....
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Requiem
04/05/20 04:49 PM
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Karagin
Can you please read her story!
That is she was NEVER a spy – the US State department made her a NON-Citizen – the witnesses for the prosecution were coached what to say (They perjured themselves) just because they wanted to convict her because there was never any evidence of any wrongdoing – so they put an innocent person in prison – and only when the truth came out and she received a Presidential Pardon was her citizenship returned.
Have you looked at the common trends of many of these court cases occurring around the world?
Also the underlying principle – an electronic media company MUST obey the laws of the county it operates within? If you are world-wide then it is every country – if you are Inner Sphere wide then it is the laws of every House that you must obey – you must obey the laws (and respect the culture) of every country you enter into!
Comstar is within every Great House – ComStar MUST obey the laws (and cultures) of ever House it operates within – yes in the past they have pushed their weight around to flout this, case in point when the Combine’s Coordinator’s sister joined and it almost came to a Mech drop on the Capitol.
Yet this time they were caught with their hand in the cookie jar – for the first time the DC has the power to publically humiliate them, can anyone really say they wouldn’t?
Ghostrider,
Again read her story – how hard is it to use a search engine?
The State Department refused to certify her citizenship in 1942 – thus making her stateless – a person with no citizenship to any country!
The extent countries and individuals will go to gain a conviction is the point – Politically they needed her to be found guilty when she should have been lauded as a hero!
For the first time ComStar can be brought to account for their actions publically!
Being literal – Understand the underlying principle.
The U.N. is a body of states who use this setting as a means to discuss – they are in no way similar to the Comstar – Plus their military can be brought before the Hague Courts if they were found to have committed a crime!
Cray,
Yes, I agree they did agree Comstar is a sovereign and neutral country.
However being inviolate – sorry no I do not agree even countries can be brought before the court where one country sues another due to its actions - for example fishing, energy (sea rig location) and the revenue it generates …..
Not even Churches are beyond the rule of law – Spotlight!
Comstar was caught – they will face the full force of the law – their position of being inviolate was provided with the condition they would never take one states side – they would remain Neutral.
That Neutrality is broken – thus their inviolate position is also broken!
For the first time the two largest realms have them dead to rights – they are engaged in war against an unknown enemy from beyond the starts and Comstar was found supplying them with their military secrets – they have made their inviolate state meaningless – they have taken a side – they will be raked over the coals for their actions.
Even if they have to establish a whole new court to do so!
Get thee to Coventry … Now is the winter of our discontent, made glorious by this daughter of Tharkad … Our army shall march through. Well to New Avalon tonight.
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Karagin
04/05/20 05:50 PM
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Karagin
Can you please read her story!
That is she was NEVER a spy – the US State department made her a NON-Citizen – the witnesses for the prosecution were coached what to say (They perjured themselves) just because they wanted to convict her because there was never any evidence of any wrongdoing – so they put an innocent person in prison – and only when the truth came out and she received a Presidential Pardon was her citizenship returned.
Have you looked at the common trends of many of these court cases occurring around the world?
Also the underlying principle – an electronic media company MUST obey the laws of the county it operates within? If you are world-wide then it is every country – if you are Inner Sphere wide then it is the laws of every House that you must obey – you must obey the laws (and respect the culture) of every country you enter into!
Comstar is within every Great House – ComStar MUST obey the laws (and cultures) of ever House it operates within – yes in the past they have pushed their weight around to flout this, case in point when the Combine’s Coordinator’s sister joined and it almost came to a Mech drop on the Capitol.
Yet this time they were caught with their hand in the cookie jar – for the first time the DC has the power to publically humiliate them, can anyone really say they wouldn’t?
She was NOT a loyal citizen and thus falls into the level of spy at best or traitor at worst. Regardless the government can rule you a non-citizen and thus it's up to you to prove otherwise. And here is a catch, this is very common in all countries. You are still trying to apply real-world to a fictional game where the setting can be adjusted to make anything happen or not happen.
ComStar DOES NOT HAVE TO FOLLOW THE LAWS of their host nations, they have their compounds which are similar to embassies, thus the ComStar personnel have immunity from ALL local laws. That is how things work in real life.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Requiem
04/05/20 06:09 PM
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She was NOT a loyal citizen and thus falls into the level of spy at best or traitor at worst.
This shows that you have not read her story!
She NEVER renounced her citizenship;
She NEVER said anything against America – despite the incredible pressure placed upon her:
She DID smuggle food to POWs held in Japan;
Her only crime was visiting a sick relative in a foreign country at the wrong time, and being Japanese..
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they have their compounds which are similar to embassies
Sorry No. Where is it written they are embassies and their people have diplomatic immunity?
Plus even with Diplomatic immunity they are not above the law – Persona non Grata – and the people of country are told why?
and in certain cases diplomatic immunity has been waived thus allowing the diplomat to be held for trial ….. case in point Archbishops (spotlight once again)
Get thee to Coventry … Now is the winter of our discontent, made glorious by this daughter of Tharkad … Our army shall march through. Well to New Avalon tonight.
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ghostrider
04/06/20 02:02 PM
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The media having to obey the countries laws and orders. That's a good one. The would be government controlled media, and there are more then a few that tell the public about the bad behavior of the ruler. That is something the rules would say is against the law, yet it is being truthful, most of the time.
Well the governments will use corrupt liars to a point. More then a few don't even bother with a trial. They just execute the person. In this case, the person could or should have sued those that pushed for her conviction, as well as made sure the liars went to jail.
Now with the first time they could be actually charged, what happened? The IS seized the HPGs and found out they could not run it. Then Focht did a major change to the way things go, and got Comstar back on track to be trusted, as much as you could be with what happened.
The fact Walterly did something she could not blame on other or hide is what finally did it.
Comstar was not a native company to any one of the IS nations, yet could function in all of them without issues? And the U.N. doesn't do this? Well most countries the U.N. could operate in without issues.
They keep the coms working and ignore local events, or are supposed to. They tend to provide natural disaster relief, even before the government does, though this is circumstantial. They are used to mediate disputes between the states, as well as being the banker and backer of deals such as hired mercs and such. So yeah. Comstar did do more then the U.N. does.
As it stands, you can not charge Comstar with treason. Not sure why this isn't setting in. The definition and use does not fit the parameters of Comstar. They are a separate nation. There are other charges that fit, but not treason.
Missing words in sentences again, I see.
they have their compounds which are similar to embassies.
See that simple word similar. It does not say they have embassies. It says their compounds are similar to.
Diplomatic immunity is there for a lot of cases. With Comstar, they will choose to give up the person for trial or not. It will be decided in their 'courts' first. There is more then a few cases going on, that someone committed a crime in another country, yet will have to be trial in absence. And best look at the churches again. More then a few were accused of horrible behavior, but never went to trial. The churches just moved them to another location.
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Requiem
04/06/20 05:53 PM
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For my game I am going to go down the following line …..
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ComStar Reformation
The original agreement between ComStar and the Houses, ComStar – Comstar will be allowed to exist and they will have control over the HPG net. However, with one condition, they will not betray the secrets of their clients and the Great Houses to their enemies – Due to the overwhelming evidence against ComStar – supplying information to the enemy of the People of the Inner Sphere – they will be required to be punished.
ComStar will survive, however a backroom deal will be made between the existing First Circuit and the House Lords. They will still run the HPG net – they will still conduct all their Humanitarian Issues
However ….
The Primary Core belief in that - The cataclysmic war that would finally allow ComStar to achieve its ultimate goal – will be recognized as a false belief, it never come to be!
Thus all the destruction of an advancement in Inner Sphere knowledge / scientists etc. must no longer be allowed to continue. ROM will no longer be allowed to assassinate these people – they will no longer be allowed to destroy any Star League technological (archeology) finds etc
The hidden libraries will therefore be open to all the Inner Sphere for the first time – everything that was lost and hidden will be provided to the Inner Sphere.
The Removal of their Monastic robes for business suits.
Primus Myndo Waterly, will be sacrificed – Excommunication – permanent house arrest upon Terra by ComGuard. In addition, those minor Adepts that assisted policies in providing the Clans with sensitive information will suffer her fate.
ComGuard, will have to actively be a part of the Inner Sphere Community – they will have to support Fed-Com, FRR, DC in combat against the invading Clans. Their Jumpships as well as their warships will also be used to assist the Inner Sphere.
The people of the Inner Sphere
Shock; Loss in faith; Horror that they maintained the complete knowledge of the Star League and refused to help (especially where it comes to medical issues)
To regain the faith of the people of the Inner Sphere will require decades of hard work.
ComGuard
Remain though they will now have to step up and become what the SLDF once was – Focht will be sent to the front Line as their C.O.
ComStar
One of the First Circuit’s Precentors will become the new Primus.
Word of Blake
A splinter group will break from Costar – however they will not have the support of the FWL (as per canon) – thus they will become a wandering group of terrorists.
Unknown if the hidden five worlds will come into this.
One of their first actions could be to rescue Primus Myndo Waterly from her excommunication., where they see her as the first Primus in exile.
Even some of the more devote ComGuard units could disappear and reappear within the new Word of Blake.
(Note I see Word of Blake as a terrorist unit that has the appearance of the old Templar – That is they see themselves as Holy Knights whose mission is to liberate Holy Terra from the false belief and restore Holy ComStar to the true way. They may also try to stop the dissemination of knowledge – continue the assassination of key Inner Sphere scientists etc. (attempting to keep to Comstar’s old ways!))
They should be allowed to pop up when you least expect them.
Why, Comstar cannot be allowed to exist under its old ways, if allowed to continue with its old ways it will self destruct sooner or later. This way the refored ComStar can continue long into the future and can become a true beacon of light for the people of the Inner Sphere – once they have paid their penance!
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Comstar was not a native company to any one of the IS nations, yet could function in all of them without issues? And the U.N. doesn't do this?
Since when did the U.N. start operating as a business? … as stated Comstar does do more than the U.N.
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As it stands, you can not charge Comstar with treason.
Sorry but I believe I can – I believe there is more than enough evidence within the worlds legal framework to support this.
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It will be decided in their 'courts' first.
And why would the House Lords of the DC or the FC give up their chance at getting revenge?
Primus Myndo Waterly can be lured out of her lair on Terra – and once this occurs she will undergo the indignity of a Trial.
Frankly the Precentors will be glad to be rid of her, and many would see this as an opportunity to take Cromstar from their existing structure to a more modern organization …. Under their leadership as Primus.
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And best look at the churches again. More then a few were accused of horrible behavior, but never went to trial.
Third highest ranked within the Catholic Church is currently incarcerated, an Archbishop.
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ghostrider
04/06/20 06:34 PM
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So the IS will over look Focht being part of the information change with the clans?
What happens to Terra, as WOB takes it before Walterly orders Operation Scorpion? Does WOB get kicked off, do they just leave, or do they retain control (thru blackmail and such)?
Actually, I don't know if the U.N has businesses, but the reference was for being able to operate, including running supplies and having bases in, other countries without much scrutiny. The Vatican might fit into this as well. They are thought to remain neutral and not break laws...
Comstar would not allow even the lowest recruit to face any IS courts until they check out what happened. This is not about the aiding the clans, but say a night on the town and one of the workers gets drunk and runs someone over. They flee to the Comstar compound. The higher ups in Comstar would judge if they are to be turned over or not.
The third in ranking finally got caught and couldn't cover for it. There are more then a few lower in the structure that have been habitual with their crimes, and only get moved around.
For the archbishop, I would think they did something to one of the rich families or a politician. Might even have been someone with close ties to the pope or the other two higher. It may well have been a sacrificial lamb to try to placate the masses.
Oh yeah. One big thing left out of the statement above.
WHEN does this go into effect?
This does matter if you try to keep anything close to canon.
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04/07/20 06:23 AM
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So the IS will over look Focht being part of the information change with the clans?
Possibly – depends on evidence collected – and the need for an experienced CO for the ComGuard ,,,,
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Terra
Still controlled by ComStar
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Does WOB get kicked off, do they just leave
Escape in the dead of night.
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Comstar would not allow even the lowest recruit to face any IS courts until they check out what happened.
Depends upon the back room deal with the House Lords – as well as the political infighting to get the top job.
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WHEN does this go into effect?
In what canon would call the year of peace.- at the start.
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ghostrider
04/07/20 12:50 PM
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Your concept, so that is your answer. Does Focht get a pass for being one of those passing on the information, and serving Walterly?
Now. Does the SDS system blueprints get to the IS houses? Or does Comstar keep them quiet?
The 5 hidden worlds comes to mind as well.
Honestly, WOB would be better suited for going back into the fold, but operating like ROM does. Using their position in Comstar to move around and strike from the shadows. They would be far more effective having the information on patrols and such. Having a few places to train their troops outside of the public eye would be necessary, but otherwise, they would be far more effective. Well maybe not all of them. Just enough to keep inside information coming in.
The statement of Comstar not allowing their people to go to trial was for all the crimes they do. It isn't like Comstar is immune to following the laws, it is just wiether or not they will stand trial. Then enforcing the little infractions.
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04/07/20 02:59 PM
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Does Focht get a pass for being one of those passing on the information, and serving Walterly?
Three options,
First, Kill his character off – have Walterly kill him as traitor;
Second, have the court find him guilty – introduce a new character to take over CO of ComGuard; and
Lastly, make him a whistleblower – when ask to assist he reached out to Loki for assistance.
So, whichever makes for the best story going forward.
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Does the SDS system blueprints get to the IS houses?
Yes, though it will take time for any of the IS Houses to have the resources to build research and build any prototype and then to get it into production.
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The 5 hidden worlds comes to mind as well.
Will no longer exist – or the number will be reduced to one – and will be know by all on the First Circuit – Focht though will be out of the loop on this. Or there could be other options, such as they were previously Wolds within the TH that were saved during the First Succession war by ComGuard – though the remainder of the IS thought they were destroyed, and as such removed them from the maps prematurely.
Have decided to make another change (again)
Thus fitting these worlds into the story of the House IS units sent into the former TH lost 600 systems to scavenge for lost technology as well as a new WoB ascendancy story to be incorporated into the growing number of stories within the IS.
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Honestly, WOB would be better suited for going back into the fold, but operating like ROM does.
And yet another change to the story …(again)
Having a roving band of pirates who want revenge on the IS as well as conquering Terra and being a counter revolutionary force to ComStars reformation measures would make the story more interesting.
Waterly could be privy to knowledge that only the Primis was privy to know – the location of all the other “Camelot Command Stations” hidden throughout the stars. It would make more sense than the five hidden worlds.
Previous Primus’ used these stations to build the true “Operation Scorpion” in the final days of the Houses these stations were to be used by the ComGuard to deliver the coup de main upon the remaining IS forces to allow the for their eventual ascendance in bring about the return of the Star League (under their Blake-ian theocracy.)
Though now will be used to house her WoB Templar forces, throughout the IS, like a hidden sword over every Houses head waiting to fall.
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It isn't like Comstar is immune to following the laws, it is just wiether or not they will stand trial. Then enforcing the little infractions.
In any reformation you will need to purge the organization – getting rid of Waterly’s flunkies and at the same time using their excommunication as an object lesson for the remaining ComStar personnel has its merits.
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04/08/20 04:38 PM
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What is the numbers for their complete fleet?
The numbers within each Clan’s Bid IS the number they allotted for the invasion of the Inner sphere. Yes they do have more – however this is outside the OZ.
As for the 9 months food - 6 month travel time there and back plus 3 months just in case of any mishap in getting to them with their logistical requirements for each of the HPG stations.
It comes back to how you view the logistics – one large fleet, every six months, representing the totality of the Clans transport capabilities – or many small fleets sent by an individual Clan.
In addition to the security Naval force that would be operating along the Exodus Road – to keep these warships out there longer they will require resupplying, if they can get it from the HPG stations it will allow them a greater degree of tactical flexibility.
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I don't think fighter pilots were numerous in the clans.
Look at the bid numbers as well as Touman for each Clan.
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they built some during the invasion.
This would mean that for a good part of the invasion the Clan’s invading forces were NOT able to communicate with the Hall of Khans without sending a ship into the Deep Periphery with a pre-recorded message.
Thus any information the Hall of Khans receives will be out of date – depending on the time it takes the ship to receive the message and travel into the deep periphery to send the message.
It will also mean the logistics requirement for each Clan when requested would also be out of date as per when sent – one key battle, where the Clan receives numerous casualties and they could be more that a few months without adequate replacement numbers.
This scenario is fraught with problems for any invading Clan as to Logistics and replacement personnel – without massive stockpiles hidden within the Deep Periphery and the establishment of multiple Sibko training facilities.
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The Dragons had a station that was a quick build, as it moved with them when they changed employers.
The mobile Hephaestus station – ‘It was mobile in the sense that it could be disassembled into modules which had K-F Booms and could be moved via JumpShip like regular DropShips with Docking Collars, to be re-assembled at the destination site.”
If the Dragoons had access to such a facility then this is in all probability a similar design to what the Clans used for their HPG stations, as well as their Jump-ship / Warship repair yards.
Over time the IS should have also been able to manufacture these as well - being able to – “It could also service all of the Dragoons' DropShips, aerospace fighters, 'Mechs and support vehicles and possessed sophisticated surveillance and communication equipment.” ….. gives it a unique flexibility within any combat arena.
So add it to the list of tech than should have but never was properly utilized.
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And I agree. If you have the resources, you would have some fighters around each station. But that would be splitting your forces, which really doesn't count here. The clans bid what they did. Anything behind the lines is not part of it.
In this particular case – every clan would have been assigned an equal number of stations to man and maintain – sharing the load is also part of the Clans doctrine as seen within the Wolverines book when they found the lost bunker and all its contents.
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ghostrider
04/08/20 06:08 PM
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Again, the wording of what is bid and what can be taken with you is key here.
You bid this into the fight. It doesn't mean you can't have more in the area. As stated with the challenge, the attacker can bring in forces equaled to their last bid with shame and surrender of things to do so. Those forces are not shipped in when called on. They are waiting near the battlefield.
And yes. This can be abused, with having those 'defense' units in the way of incoming enemy.
Again. Read all of it before trying to complain about things that are in that paragraph. They build some during the invasion as they had a steady stream of ships doing things, these ships could well have been the coms relays. Even their warships had some, so they could be used while the station was being built. It isn't like they were used for much else in the homeworld area.
Not sure why you think the battle reports went to the clan homeworlds as the clan Khans were with their troops. Supply orders would be the main thing they would have to contact home for. Battle orders would go from the khans to the troops. Maybe 3 weeks max if they didn't have working HPG. They did so when they had to replace Leo Showers, but again. That was after the invasion was going.
The modular station would not have gone with the Dragoons if it was the only one available. I would also thing the Bears brought a few with them.
When asking about the number of stations, is that just space based ones?
Or does that mean ground based ones as well?
There would be a difference depending on supply routes. Some many have to have a few extra as the systems near by might require routing that goes out a few planets.
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Requiem
04/09/20 03:15 AM
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the wording of what is bid and what can be taken with you is key here. You bid this into the fight. It doesn't mean you can't have more in the area.
Question: How close is too close?
They bid for “X” forces to fight within the Inner Sphere – does this mean they can have these additional forces with their invasion forces – it is just they are only allowed to be observers and they are not allowed to fight – as if they are allowed in the Inner Sphere, are they allowed to set foot upon any captured world (to do so would automatically mean they are a Garrison force – and PGCs were considered illegal, until they were not!)
Or, must they sit outside the Inner Sphere within the Deep Periphery as the closest they are allowed to come to the invasion OZ?
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Even their warships had some, so they could be used while the station was being built.
One way information traffic – slows the send and receive time – if on station for a long period of time, it will require a service ship for re-supply purposes;
The Warship would have to remain where they are positioned – will be unable to move to respond to any external situation – so what would happen if an Inner sphere Aerospace fighter unit jumped it (some of the warship classes do not have many fighters)?
How humiliating would it be for a Clan Captain (Admiral) to take this situation, as well as the crew?
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Not sure why you think the battle reports went to the clan homeworlds
First this is the entire Clans CIC HQ;
Second, bragging rights about how well they are going (to the non invasion Clans) – plus for their civilians to know what their warriors are doing.
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The modular station
Space based stations ….
Would have become SOP for all the Clans – for the Exodus Road – The Deep Periphery support services – within the Inner Sphere – during any exploratory action around the Clan Space – hunting Dark Caste …..
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There would be a difference depending on supply routes.
There can be but one route – at every station the Nav. computer was wiped and new coordinates placed in as a security Measure – thus the need for the Spy to travel the entire Exodus road to obtain all the coordinates and return … then give them to ComStar.
There can be no such thing as one route for Wolves, one for Falcons and one for Jaguars etc
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ghostrider
04/09/20 12:57 PM
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As suggested in a few books, they were near the battlefield, if not right outside the circle of equals for clan fights. With Conal Ward's attack in the FRR, he had to bring down forces to take the world, so they were in orbit from the sounds of it. So I doubt they would be outside the IS.
In the first run, maybe even a few waves, the clans were not worried about the IS attacking the deep periphery. Part of why the New Belt Pirates were able to raid their supplies. Also this is where the bidding can be turned against the clans. They will not rush into a challenge fight. They would rather lose the station, then get it back, the lose the honor of striking in a 'circle of equals'.
As they really didn't have need for a main CIC, the need to send timely information to the home worlds was extremely low priority. Supplies and replacements being the main thing, and even then only 1 clan was on top of that.
There is only one direction the route can go, but what systems do you pick to house your supplies? If the Highlanders book is a blueprint for the clans, they kept their own supply lines and didn't tell anyone but their clan where they were. With the clans, it seems even supply routes could be challenged for. But the fact they were hitting the Jaguars route, then hit the Nova Cats to upset them would suggest they are not one and the same routes. Wasteful if they were coordinated and would not be challenged for supplies. A necessity when you consider each one would raid another for supplies, instead of admitting they didn't order enough. Also, it would show the losing clan is weak, as they could not protect their own.
Example. Going from New York to Los Angeles, you head east to west. But do you to thru Chicago? Austin? Kansas City? Mexico? Canada? There is a whole slew of places in between, and that is just air travel. Roads has dozens more.
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04/09/20 02:53 PM
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they were near the battlefield, if not right outside the circle of equals for clan fights.
This is to be expected if it is a circle of equals – one on one fights augmented / un-augmented
When it comes to battles ….
– Within Clan Space this would be expected also, as the Clans (Like the Gladiators of Roman Time) end up with an audience to cheer on the victor.
– Within the Inner Sphere – THIS is sticking point the ‘Circle of Equals’ is now 6 months away (at the minimum) and depending on the Wave are now including a vast number of worlds.
To think that a ‘circle of equals’ (one on fight like gladiators) is the same as that as a warzone within the Inner Sphere is a little naive!
– you bid a number of units for the Inner Sphere – that is it! You want units to watch, they MUST stay out of the Inner Sphere (or better yet never leave Clan Space), otherwise you can have who knows how many within the Inner Sphere – what is there to stop a non Invasion Clan sending units to watch the events within the inner sphere if it comes to that? – so what happens when they are attacked by Inner Sphere forces within space (they are mistaken as a target of opportunity?
Allowing who know what within the Inner Sphere is opening a vast can of worms, they have no place being there! It goes completely goes against the Clans own rules!
Conal Ward's units were part of the overall bid force – they were not a hanger on just there for the thrill of it.
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As they really didn't have need for a main CIC, the need to send timely information to the home worlds was extremely low priority.
Disagree – sticking it to the other Clans is a very high priority – the Clans are not if not into self promotion – I am the best – My Unit is the Best – My Clan is the Best …..
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Supplies and replacements being the main thing, and even then only 1 clan was on top of that.
Logistics is a very big deal – people and equipment is of extreme importance! – though the canon story was a complete white wash when it came to this subject! Give them everything all the time despite it clearly being impossible to do so was the rule of the day.
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But the fact they were hitting the Jaguars route, then hit the Nova Cats to upset them would suggest they are not one and the same routes.
The supply route – have a look at a map of the Nile River in Egypt - you have one river (the exodus route) you then have the Delta (the area within the Deep Periphery to the Individual Clans Invasion Corridors) this is the ony stage where you have multiple supply routes. This is where each individual Clan utilize their own fleets and their own warehouses etc.
If Clans are fighting against each other for supplies why wasn’t this shown within the Inner Sphere battles? Where is the shift to primary energy weapons for Mechs etc – where is the problem when it comes to clan reinforcements as units should be under manned all throughout the Touman – and yet never were. What happens if you reduce your numbers in the Inner Sphere? The Inner Sphere forces should have identified an area that could be retaken – an invasion should have been sent to take back these worlds that are now under-strength – and yet the Inner Sphere forces just sit on the border and do nothing – what a joke!
This is where there is no flow to the story – if there is a problem in the rear is should be demonstrated throughout their entire Invasion force and the Inner Sphere in their retaliation.
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Example. Going from New York to Los Angeles, you head east to west. But do you to thru Chicago? Austin? Kansas City? Mexico? Canada? There is a whole slew of places in between, and that is just air travel. Roads has dozens more.
A good example of the delta – from the single exodus road from the single road back to Clan space – through the Deep Periphery to the individual Clan’s invasion corridors (stopping off along the way to visit individual Clan’s Warehouse facilities).
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ghostrider
04/09/20 03:46 PM
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Actually, a circle of equals can be as big as a galaxy or more. The fight that killed Nicholas was one such fight. The refusal fight the Wolves did to avoid the invasion in the first place is another.
Then Joanna in the Jade Falcon series had a 5 against her match. So one on one isn't right.
Another fact. A circle of equals can be called almost anywhere. It is up to the next higher rank to say yes or no, if it will affect their combat duties. When and where might cause a delay, but normally they are done there and then, if unaugmented.
Now you understand part of the challenge. The initial bid may well be the Galaxy they are part of then drop. It isn't unknown for a commander to drop far more. They tend to be removed when they do.
I bid Alpha galaxy to take Twycross. My opponent bids 2 clusters. I bid 1 and take the fight. If things go horribly wrong, I can bring down my last bid. The other clusters of Alpha Galaxy.
This is not going to really happen in a bid, but this shows just how bad it can get.
Spectators are not allowed to do anything against those in the circle. They can't touch anything, even if it is stumbling to the edge. No pushing them back in or keeping a buddy from being shoved out.
I am the best. I am khan of the clan. I am the CIC. Why would I allow someone light years away to tell me how to run my clan? Ordering supplies and making decrees is about the only thing that need home world contact for. Now if you want to use that in the alt, fine. But in canon, they just don't need it, until the Ilkan vote.
Again. The clans didn't worry about logistics for over 200 years. They forgot the importance of it, as they didn't need to worry. This may well be part of why they didn't start more sibkos when the Outbound was captured.
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ghostrider
04/09/20 03:58 PM
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Clans did fight other clans for worlds. Mainly the Falcons the Vipers with the Jaguars and Nova Cats. The only time the idea of needing to have supplies there, as during the truce battle. They ran out of ammo, while the Wolves switched to energy weapons. Late, but it would figure with some leaders.
Outside of the game, the developers put in those quirks to give the IS a chance to fight back. Had it been like just another house, Comstar would have failed. Had they fought like the SLDF, they would have annihilated the FC/DC. There would be smart supply lines as well as avoiding the challenges, as well as using the warships to take out dropships that were military in design. It was one of the few ways they could make it work and make money. Should have been done a little better, but I don't work for them.
The Nile. There are currents within them, which some might take while others ignore for a different one. Now say you have a survival trek against others coming up, and you need to cache some supplies. Do you just put them with the others? You're out to win. So you hide them, and hopefully the others won't find them. If you are lucky, you find one of theirs and hurt their chances to win.
This does limit the choices a lot more then the flight one, which is far smaller then lightyears between the clans and the IS. I don't even think their entry point into the IS was the same for supplies. Their factories to their troops. The overall supply stations for all would make it easier, but it would also destroy some of the others without many fights. Such as buying up all the ammo.
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04/09/20 08:49 PM
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I bid Alpha galaxy to take Twycross. My opponent bids 2 clusters. I bid 1 and take the fight. If things go horribly wrong, I can bring down my last bid.
Yes, however this bid amount must be from the bid to take the Inner Sphere. It cannot be from additional forces that were not part of this bid that the Khan brought in to boost this allowable amount.
Spectators must be from the Clan’s warriors that won a position within the invasion force and were included within all these bids – it is not like a clan, who did not win a position within the invasion, could send their warriors to be observers.
If they were mistakenly attacked by an inner sphere force this would legitimize their right to become an additional clan within the invasion corridor – a back door means of gaining access to the Invasion.
As this never occurred we can thus assume that all Clans not part of the initial invasion cannot enter the Inner-Sphere or the Deep Periphery. Also you cannot just say I will bring in additional forces if they do not fight in gaining worlds – this is completely hypocritical.
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would I allow someone light years away to tell me how to run my clan?
First, they don’t.
Second, this is like any professional sports match – by sending images back to Clan Space all they are doing is promoting how professional their Clan is in comparison to all others, putting wins on the board.
Third, real time supply requests improves the efficiency of their front line forces.
Fourth, by saying they do not need it demonstrates the canon is designed to favor the Clans over that of the Inner Sphere. Logic dictates that Clans have issues with regards to Sibko reinforcement numbers – it also dictates that the Clans were having issues with regards to logistics …..
By allowing them a free path with these two issues demonstrates that the overall game is rigged in favor of the Clans.
But that is not a shocker when you take into account the entire invasion has an incredible number of flaws built into it.
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Again. The clans didn't worry about logistics for over 200 years. They forgot the importance of it, as they didn't need to worry.
If this is so then why didn’t it affect the Clans overall battles within the inner sphere – there must have been massive consequences within all the Inner Sphere Clans units – and yet there none.
This is why I find the Clan invasion a complete farce!
Where is the reality?
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Clans did fight other clans for worlds. Mainly the Falcons the Vipers with the Jaguars and Nova Cats.
Then why didn’t the Inner Sphere forces take advantage of this situation?
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Outside of the game, the developers put in those quirks to give the IS a chance to fight back.
Can I laugh now?
All this shows is a complete lack of Beta testing when it came to the Clans – the number of Clans and the unit numbers / weapons provided to them.
Making money can only work with a reputable product – what we have here is a mess that needs to be fixed by the fans.
The entire history etc needs to be fixed as there are just too many issues that require you to bang your head against the wall as they make no sense whatsoever.
Supplies
If each clan was engaged in two wars – one within the Inner Sphere and the second within the Deep Periphery to hurt their rival Clans logistics then this would mean less forces within the inner sphere as well as even more problems with clans consumables and replacement numbers – an yet there never were any within the canon setting …… what a shocker!
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