Requiem
06/12/19 05:39 AM
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Under Alt History …. The Battle of Coventry (Take 2) I proposed the following when I was discussing formula 1 racing etc. for R&D purposes … I came to the conclusion that it required its own post ….
Where the game also falls down is with the idea of only a single Solaris; There should have been multiple “Solaris game worlds” within every major House and even on some of the Periphery Realms.
Why? How else could rival major corporations have their teams and their new machines battle it out in the arena to demonstrate the superiority of their design over their competitors – thus it used as a means of determining who would receive their Houses Lucrative contract to supply the military with their new “Mech” design.
This is a great way of showing off the new merchandise in an actual combat setting, plus the fans would have loved it in every House. So rather than Ford / Holden / Chrysler flags we will have those of the major 'Mech manufacturing corps – (and their pilots become superstars) – then some of the best teams to be sent to Solaris to battle for the IS champion position - prize fights as it were.
It is a replacement for where we now have Wold Champion Soccer / Rugby and for how many countries around the world?.
This would open the Battletech Game – from a majority Combat only game and a Solaris only game to include the new extreme–Mech-Sports games that takes place upon multiple worlds in a round robin championship match throughout the entire IS.
Also, what if ... when the Star League was reformed a lower echelon officer proposed to unite all the Extreme-Mech- Sports units (within each house) to became one massive League .... as a first step to making a more peaceful IS - as a way of demonstrating their ability to work together as one IS for the future war upon all the Clans.
Thus for some strange reason this flippant remark was accepted by the House Lords who thought this was a good idea - pressure was subsequently brought to bear on all the House Stables to accept the new IS League ... and so it was formed ....
So from then on the league was IS wide - where one of extreme sports teams ... say, the FWL Knights could be playing the Steiner Valkyries (on Tharkad) then onto the FRR Vikings or ComStar Angels (on Tukayyid) then onto play the Kurita Dragons (on Luthien) etc
And then when the Cats and the Bears join they too will be allowed a unit in the games - however parity must be maintained so that if their opponent had only IS weapons they too must use only IS weapons - as this is also a battle of skill - however if their opponent has access to Clan weapons or new IS made Clan Weapons then they will also be allowed their clan weapons.
Victory will be determined by a point system - the four highest point teams will square off - one and three for one match and two and four for the second - sudden death whoever wins enters the IS Championship Grand Final.
ComStar promises to keep the cost of a copy of the match to a minimum - so that everyone within the IS can watch and cheer on their team .... Betting becomes rampant ......
With .....
Single combat
Lance Combat (Star Combat)
and even Company Combat (? - maybe)
What I am thinking / trying to express is something like the old American "Anime" Heavy Gear as an example of the type of Combat Arenas the League would be using throughout the IS - A similar style of game perhaps.
Thoughts?
Get thee to Coventry … Now is the winter of our discontent, made glorious by this daughter of Tharkad … Our army shall march through. Well to New Avalon tonight.
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ghostrider
06/12/19 03:40 PM
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Will respond to this in this thread from now on. But I do think this would be a good idea to work on.
Even showcasing the new units, not just mechs, but vehicles, fighters, and maybe even dropships and such. Have company contests, as well as individual contests.
Stables, like Solaris would be the way to go, but have local contests to see which ones advance to the finals. Much like normal sports.
Almost sounds like the Martial Olympics. So I could see someone in the original Star League suggesting something like this to show off their soldiers skills. And having it stick. May well have helped keep the League together, even with the Amaris issue.
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Requiem
06/12/19 09:50 PM
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Ghostrider, Responding from you post within Alt History …. The Battle for Coventry (Take 2) … however posting it here.
When making a new design ‘Mech for “Extreme Gladiator Mechs (EGM)” you are not retooling the whole factory to make the mech – you are creating a custom one off. As such I would assume that for R&D purposes you would have an independent factory who designs, manufactures and tests these ‘Mechs prior to mass production. They have their own specialist Techs who can manufacture one off parts etc.
So, what I am suggestion is that once these new one off ‘Mechs are made they are sent into the League to see how they operate through multiple combat situations and against multiple enemies – this is the ultimate R&D testing ground through the school of hard knocks – and with everyone looking on and making bets.
Like Formula 1 – Extreme Gladiator ‘Mechs (EGM) will promote R&D throughout the IS – this is one of the main reasons we have these very expense races – yes it is about the prestige of winning (that helps drive sales), but it is also about experimenting to find new engineering designs to increase performance / fuel efficiency etc. – what is on a F1 now will probably be on their mass production vehicle in 3-4 years. Why else would we have a Formula E (electric) – they are designing new electric vehicles that will be mass produced in (say) a couple of years – by using their tech. they have designed a vehicle that can go from London via boat to Paris on one charge (using the efficiency mode). Thus I contest that with EGM you will have the same production level – new high performance one off variations – followed by mass production runs in no more than that of 4 years, if the design proves to be effective.
It will also provide the designers the opportunity to observe their completion very closely – it will spur the development of new and exciting ‘Mechs as each team will incorporate new designs / new technology as each will try to better their last design – and even during the match there could be upgrades coming out of the factory to improve the original design – so you may have started off with a type 1 Mech at the start of the League but by the end you may be piloting a type 4 or 5 as new designs or production materials or fibres or OS computers are manufactured (as an example) then are swapped-out for the improved one as you go along.
This is the main reason for having EGM – the pace of developing and re-developing IS ‘Mechs for new designs will increase exponentially throughout the IS so that by the end of the 15 years truce the IS could be producing, on mass, new third or even fourth generation omni-‘Mech designs (and even a few fifth generation may be starting to come off the lines for limited large organisations) – whereas if they did not have this push to succeed I would say no more than Second Generation omni-‘Mechs would be available to the IS.
Plus I would even think that WoB designs and their new “technology superior pilots” may have been allowed into the league to demonstrate their advanced technology (as I will kill off the Jihad era completely, but not the underlining technology).
Plus think of the money that is generated in sport now the men’s soccer winnings for the 2018 world cup was $400,000,000 – so how much could each stable win for their parent company when you consider broadcast rights / taking a percentage of the winnings / merchandising rights etc – you will not be talking about a small money – you could even end up making a profit – so, having a EGM racing division within the organisation can only be seen to be a positive – a win win as it were for the organisation.
So for me the money is a non-issue when EGM goes IS wide – mass amounts of money are there to be had by every corporation throughout the implementation of EGM.
And again the game developers hobble the game by promoting IS single weapon mechs Vs. Clan Omni – this where they continually fall down – they never ask what would happen in reality – what would a real military want – what would the states economy of scale demand – if this was in reality now could you see the new F-35 Joint Strike Fighter being made? No I think they would still be producing the older phantoms with the way they look at new weapon systems.
Also I am not suggesting allowing all the clans in – I am suggesting that once the Cats and Bears become part of the new Star League and the SLDF they will be given the opportunity to add their own team to the EGM. Being as competitive as they are I can see everyone within the Cats and Bears undergoing trials to become part of their EGM team – representing their Clans prowess to the entire IS via Comstar broadcasting.
So yes I agree ComStar will control the Broadcasting – but a percentage of all money earnt will have to go back to EGM.
However as for betting – no there will be legal bookies but there will also be betting houses on the side and even those run by organised criminal organisations (as it is now).
Get thee to Coventry … Now is the winter of our discontent, made glorious by this daughter of Tharkad … Our army shall march through. Well to New Avalon tonight.
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ghostrider
06/13/19 01:45 AM
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Solaris has legal gambling on the fights there. I don't see why there wouldn't be any legal betting areas for legal matches.
I was thinking this should have been done in the first Star League. Before the succession wars. But even starting with the second, it could work.
I don't see any large amounts of clanners looking to participate, even the Cats or Bears, as it is a wasteful use of machines, and would be seen as an insult to their upbringing. This is more of a merc fight, as there is nothing besides a purse that is for the winner.
Bragging rights? Trial of Grievance. And anyone could join up. They do not really need to be skilled so much, as just have the funds to participate. So where is the glory?
The Enhanced Implants would show how much better they are then without them. So it would tend to start a trend about getting them for ALL pilots in the competition. As the one story suggests, the company was forcing pilots to get them done.
Also. Dueling mechs are not always good for field work and vis versa.
the new F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. This fighter isn't the best fighter that is available. A few others were better, but lobbyists and the idea of working with allies is why it is being widely used. A possible reason is the tech in it was available to more countries then some of the others. I don't remember which one, but the chosen fighter didn't pass the first parameters of the contest, as it could not hover without physically removing the armor from points on the ground, not shift in mid air. Lobbyists got it passed.
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Requiem
06/13/19 07:25 AM
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During the Star League I could see the EGM existing as a universal game outside the perview of the military – similar to an F1 race today. However, during the succession wars this would be impossible due to the extreme paranoia when it comes to foreigners (spies) and getting access to state secrets (new ‘Mech designs / weapons / electronis etc.) – they are on a war footing and allowing anyone not of their House near the ‘Mechs for any reason would not be allowed.
However with the return of the Star League you have an opportunity to once more reintroduce the EGM (for the reasons stated above).
As for the Clans and their idea of waste – I completely disagree, they love their contact sports – their version of La Cross and American Gridiron for example – but mainly for the reason of national pride (There is the Glory to be obtained by any clan pilot willing to take it!) – If you have the chance to show your Clan is the best, and in a scenario that is very similar to the Clans trial / bidding (and again non- wasteful due to small combat sizes) I could very easily see them joining in.
But the main reason they would join, is the house lords would have a quiet word with the Khans and express their point of view that by becoming a member with the EGM it would demonstrate their new affiliation with the Star League and the SLDF – participation demonstrates their goodwill / their inclusion into the Star League and towards a more peaceful and harmonious IS – once the war with the other Clans has finished. It would also go a long way to removing the Demon stigma they currently have – IS propaganda may have been a little too successful when it came to dehumanizing the Clans their way of life.
As for implants yes this might be a trend and some companies would demand it for their pilots – however not all are as mercenary as you believe them to be. The big question though – would the Houses implement it for their regular / special forces?
As for duelling – I made the suggestion of using American Anime ‘Heavy Gear’ as a probable blue print for future games (may be even the IGPX – however, this was mainly speed - but there were had to hand combat and the idea of taking your cat / dog into battle with you might cause issues) – However, I would also assume that many of the arenas would be custom designed to simulate realistic battlefield conditions as accurately as possible, so that the data they procure on each ‘Mech and on each Match is as accurate as possible – thus in determining new contracts for your military you have a very good understanding of their capabilities (as is this not one of the main reasons the EGM is being set up? Accurate data analysis) Plus it gives you an understanding of how to make a better ‘Mech in the future through the analysis of all ‘Mechs being produced by all their stats (as is not this the other reason why the EGM was set up? Continual improvement of ‘Mech desigh – sharing of ideas even).
Yes, I agree Lobbyists will always have a say in how things are purchased due to the nature of politics and money in politics even in the Battletech future I believe it would be rampant –However, the point is that I still get my Omni-“Mech with the ability to immediately integrate Clan weapons pods into it when I bring down a Clan Mech – the salvaging of Clan tech can be almost immediate to improve my IS made Mech’s weapon performance – and this is what the main reason for doing this is for – whereas if I had only a single armed ‘Mech – I will therefore need to take it off the field of battle, and into a repair facility, and get the salvaged equipment retrofitted into the Mech – and how many days will my Mech be out of battle whilst this is being completed?
Get thee to Coventry … Now is the winter of our discontent, made glorious by this daughter of Tharkad … Our army shall march through. Well to New Avalon tonight.
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ghostrider
06/13/19 11:17 AM
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However, during the succession wars this would be impossible due to the extreme paranoia when it comes to foreigners (spies) and getting access to state secrets (new ‘Mech designs / weapons / electronis etc.)
Solaris kept their games going, even during wartime. That meant Combine stables would have to cross Lyran space to get there. Maybe come in thru the FWL border, but still it would be a hostile issue. Using neutral jumpships and keeping with specific routes including customs should keep that down.
Now as this is the alt, why bother with clan tech and omnis? Why not have the Mongoose's fluff have the original Star League come up with interchangeable parts on units? The first succession war could well introduce the omni concept. Something that would allow the Hegemony to keep it's borders with some logic to it. No need to have a unit down because you don't have a Donal PPC for a Warhammer. The pod would allow you to install a Krous ppc. This would allow the smaller number of units compared to the combine strength of the houses to fight more efficiently.
You could have clan level tech in 3025, removing the need for any clan concept. But that would require abandoning the canon line completely. Something that seems to be something to be avoided. Not sure why. It is all screwed up as to require an rewrite.
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Requiem
06/13/19 07:31 PM
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Solaris was one world in Lyran space where people went to have a holiday – it is not an independent arena upon a Capitol world right next to their Houses main production and R&D plants. Spies would have a field day attempting a penetration whilst there for a match.
A level of security can be maintained before and during your visit to Solaris.
Plus stables can be easily tracked – so minimal risk if they are not on a major commercial route bypassing important / strategic worlds to get to Solaris.
Please re-read what was stated above as to why you would want the Clans in. Plus as stated before once they become a member of the Star League they are to share their technology and expertise with the other Houses – would this not be an efficient way of completing this. Whilst there they could embed techs into every plant to assist with the upgrades – and they also have the ability of demonstrating new technology and strategies.
And yes over time you would have the interchangeable parts on units – any new R&D would be acceptable.
If you want your Alt. History First Succession War or from 3025 on-wards to have Omnis then why not? Your game, your rules, your right to rewrite as you see fit.
Get thee to Coventry … Now is the winter of our discontent, made glorious by this daughter of Tharkad … Our army shall march through. Well to New Avalon tonight.
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ghostrider
06/14/19 12:42 AM
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Using techs to train the IS factories in Clantech would not happen, unless you change the entire outlook of the clans.
If you did, they would have freeborn and failed trueborns being more valuable then the warriors of any clan that joined the League.
That destroys the warriors grip on their clans.
Want the clans to participate, and they actually doing so is the key. But again. If you change the clans way of thinking, then they would. But again. You change the story line to the point of nothing is close to canon, so you just drop the farce of trying to make it work. Rewrite means rewrite. It doesn't mean change a few things to make the outcome to your liking as the story line is crap. You make it even worse when you do that. For those that don't know the history, or are willing to accept the new stuff, it could work. As for those that do know it, or want something other then canon being a guideline, then it doesn't.
Solaris was one world in Lyran space where people went to have a holiday – it is not an independent arena upon a Capitol world right next to their Houses main production and R&D plants. Did you think the main fights between nations would be held there? Not even close. Local matches to set up higher matches would be done. Outside stables would be limited to the main arena worlds. And those should NOT have any manufacturing or research done on it, or even in the system of the arena. But then again, if you allow warships or stealth jumpships into the game, you run the risk of infiltration no matter where you have your research/construction at.
The original League found that out when the LC stole the original mech plans from Hesperus if I recall right.
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Requiem
06/14/19 03:30 AM
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This is one of the pre-requisites to becoming part of the Star League and SLDF as I would assume it would be part of the constitution.
Constitution Article No. ? – Roughly put all members of the Star League will provide technical assistance to other members of the Star league
As they did in the Canon / but this time it will include a more involved R&D development assistance.
So it will be explained to both the Cats and the Bears the Constitution of the the Star League includes these caveats – if they want to join then they have to agree to all of them – there is no half way or veto power for them.
As for importance – it comes down to the Cats and Bears perceptions on how they are being treated – there is no right or wrong answer to this. As for changing the clans way of life, has not their decision to become a part of the Star League ensured the ball is rolling as to change – if you don’t want change then stay with the other Clans and don’t become part of the Star League.
Spies will always be a part of the game.
As for Solaris – how many world reviews include a Mech arena – that is outside Canopus?
Yes, some worlds may have an arena – but the 3025 idea of scarcity makes this idea very expensive – so only upon either a Dukes’ Home-world or even the Capitol World?
But again only Solaris is well known.
As for the idea of R&D – whey then do we have any vehicle racing now (F1, FE etc) if R&D is outlawed – as stated before this is half the reason they are put on.
Sorry, but I cannot see the point of not having the EGM without a strong R&D presence.
Get thee to Coventry … Now is the winter of our discontent, made glorious by this daughter of Tharkad … Our army shall march through. Well to New Avalon tonight.
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ghostrider
06/14/19 02:25 PM
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If it was a prerequisite to becoming part of the Star League, would those clans have joined up?
Trusting those in charge with such tech, or future generations with a tech that could well destroy their way of life isn't a small thing to overlook. The houses destroyed the first League, though at this time, it wasn't known they would do it again, but the question of how long it would last would still be there.
Yes, some worlds may have an arena – but the 3025 idea of scarcity makes this idea very expensive – so only upon either a Dukes’ Home-world or even the Capitol World? But again only Solaris is well known.
This changes with the alt. As the IS is not the stone age family as it was in canon, arenas would probably be more available to more worlds. Solaris is well known during canon because it was the top of the food chain. Would it be if other worlds had their own ones? How many would have the detonation fields as the Steiner Colliseum? Would all arenas is the LC have them? Would the DC or CC have them as well? You are talking about that tech being around during the 3025 and beyond era. Having the TH alive and well should mean that tech is alive and well. Maybe even having it around important buildings. I hate to say it, but even mobile shields such as on mechs would be possible with this. Though I don't really encourage that point.
I did not say no R&D. Just none on the world the arenas that have foreign interests visiting. Well military or high security R&D. I could see things like more advanced water purifiers or better crop yields being done there.
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Requiem
06/14/19 06:26 PM
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QUOTE: “If it was a prerequisite to becoming part of the Star League, would those clans have joined up?”
In my opinion yes they still would have joined - The mystic Cats had a vision that said they should join and you cannot go against a vision. – The Bears – the most liberal / Warden of the Wardens who have always dreamt of returning to the Inner Sphere and the Star League, with the choice of taking their entire population and industries into the inner sphere and provided with the opportunity to retain their own culture / government it was finally accepted by the Clan.
When you become part of a group such as the Star League is it not the responsibility of every member to defend the League to the best of their ability? And if it does – does this also include the sharing of technical information weapons – how many countries aligned to NATO purchase USA weapon systems or systems from other members?
As for how long the League would last – if you have joined do you not also have faith that it will last for the foreseeable future?
On a side note the FRR regain their worlds and their realm as many of them have now become joint owned (as it were). Plus given the Bear’s strategic position within the Invasion Corridor the SLDF has now created two invasion corridors with the Falcon / wolves etc on one side and the Jags etc on the other – so may I suggest that in addition to the Bears and FRR are garrisoning theseworlds the ComGuard as well as other new SLDF units would be assigned to this salient from which they gain access to additional worlds for raiding purposes.
Can I also ask: Where was this idea within the Canon history – with the Bears becoming part of the SLDF why were these FRR / Bears worlds never used for a springboard into the now two invasion corridors?
The following quote refers to Canon history not my alt history: “Yes, some worlds may have an arena – but the 3025 idea of scarcity makes this idea very expensive – so only upon either a Dukes’ Home-world or even the Capitol World? But again only Solaris is well known”.
As for my Alt History – yes all the Steiner Arena’s would have detonator fields – as well as some of the major cities and production plants – and now that they are Part of the FC – The ‘Davion’ half also has access to this technology.
As for Mech Shields – still in R&D for now, due to the energy requirements. (in addition to my pet wish for beam sabres!)
So, yes I agree in my Alt History setting most worlds will be self-sufficient with regards to food / water etc. Terra forming and major water / agricultural / horticultural / aquaculture corporations will still be in effect.
Get thee to Coventry … Now is the winter of our discontent, made glorious by this daughter of Tharkad … Our army shall march through. Well to New Avalon tonight.
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Wick
06/14/19 08:02 PM
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>>> Where the game also falls down is with the idea of only a single Solaris; There should have been multiple “Solaris game worlds” within every major House and even on some of the Periphery Realms.
There are multiple worlds where gladiator matches take place. Port Krin is stated in canon as one. I'd expect most of the major national and regional capital worlds to have an arena or two and stage smaller dueling leagues, mostly for the benefit of the rich and famous of that world. Solaris VII is simply the biggest by far, because they promote matches and distribute holovids throughout the Inner Sphere. Any gladiator wants to end up at Solaris because that's where the big money and fame are. But some gladiators (particularly those with criminal records) may find the smaller leagues "safer".
Most of the major Solaris VII stables are aligned to a particular house, primarily for sponsorship and promotion. (For example, the Hasek-Davion family are major sponsors of Blackstar stables.) By extension, rivalries between stables often extend to their national rivalries, and sometimes within a nation (grudge matches between the Marik-aligned Bromley and Andurien-aligned Fitzhugh stables were quite heated, nearly 20 years after their war ended.)
Per the S7 players book, in the early days of Solaris VII there were many corporate teams, to allow them to showcase designs just as you said. But this idea seems to have died off as winning became more important than showing off hardware. By the 31st century, stables and cooperatives were using whatever mechs they thougth they could win with, regardless of who made them. I assume there's still some corporate sponsorship, but its much reduced from what it was in the 2700s. That said, the box does feature a Crab with Kallon Industries markings on its leg. (Especially odd since the Crab is not a Kallon mech. The artist took a little too much liberty on this one.)
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ghostrider
06/14/19 09:48 PM
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The tech in the Steiner arenas wasn't for Steiner control, but to say that without the devastation of the successor wars, all houses should have that tech available to them. So live viewings at the arena would be possible, driving the money they much up dramatically. I would figure the sport would be like basket ball or foot ball. Every planet has their own teams and they get sent out around their region, with the winners moving on to the next higher circuit. It would end up in the Leagues version of Solaris. Or Solaris if you decide to keep it there. So you have multiple waves being shown every year. New fighters working up to the top ranks.
I can see some mechs were probably designed for the arena, and got put out in the field. The King Crab being one of them. Open fields is not something the KC wants. But the shorter ranges of an arena may well favor that configuration. A Victor mech looks like a dueling mech as well.
To be honest, that may well have been another reason to take out the Jaguars. It would shift the invasion corridors to the two. The orbital bombardment of Turtle Bay was part of the reason, as well as them being the most isolated of the clans with the Bears going to the SDLF. Then again, it may well have been a plan to set up the next set of wars.
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Requiem
06/15/19 07:45 AM
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So, we all agree that there are arenas on multiple worlds throughout the entire Inner Sphere and the Periphery.
We can also agree there could be a League system – where if you win within a lower League you will be bumped up to the next higher League – until you reach my Alt. History - Extreme Gladiator ‘Mechs League – (The EGML).
The Canon version suggests that the pilots and their financial backers obtained the best ‘Mech (no matter where it came from and cost) to obtain victory – a win at all counts scenario.
However in my scenario the House Lords are using the League for R&D testing of their future front line ‘Mechs against the Clans. Thus the pilots within each Stable will now be restricted to their own House’s / Organisations ‘Mechs.
That said some of the arenas will no longer be an arena in the conventional sense of the term – they will no longer be anything like that of the Solaris Arena.
What I am suggesting is that a large percentage of the new EGML “arenas” are now a very large area of fifty to even one hundred square kilometres in size (and maybe even larger than that!) – that will allow for not only ‘Mechs but vehicles / Power Armour / Aerospace forces / VTOL / Artillery etc. all at the same time – thus allowing for the most realistic actual warfare scenario possible – Deaths will be expected - even if you are using powered down weapons and computer simulators for damage.
Plus what do you think will happen when you get Colonel Grayson Carlyle of the Grey Death Legion Vs. Morgan Hasek-Davion of the 1st Kathil Uhlans within an even larger area, to fight one of the American Civil Wars using the technology of the day?
How much would people pay to have ring side seat at this match? And how much in royalties could this generate?
The "dueling" you see within Solaris will still be a part of the EGML but it will not be the only “arena type” available.
The overall plan thus remains the same – by the end of the 14 years of truce the new SLDF will have access to first, second and third (and maybe fourth) generation IS omni technology due to the level of competition the EGML and the House Lords place upon their companies and engineers – by striving to be the best they must make the best – and this will require them to continually improve upon their current design(s)!
Get thee to Coventry … Now is the winter of our discontent, made glorious by this daughter of Tharkad … Our army shall march through. Well to New Avalon tonight.
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ghostrider
06/15/19 05:01 PM
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So there would be no independent stables?
And how would the clans fit into this? They would be SLDF. What nation is that?
Colonel Wolf did fight Carlyle in a simulation match. The battle of Little Bighorn if I remember right. If not for the assassination attempt, it would have been very interesting on the outcome.
Using sims and powered down weapons might well turn the clanners off. But then if this using the Amaris timeline, there will be no such thing as the Ghost Bears, or Nova Cat clans.
So please streamline things.
Some things are being discussed that is irrelevant, as they would not exist. And this is causing more problems then really needed. Now if you want to do this with both alts, then let us know. We can try and separate responses for either, instead of confusing both at once.
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Requiem
06/15/19 07:15 PM
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Yes, there will always be independent stables. Availability of ‘Mech types would depend on how much they are willing to pay and who their sponsor(s) are.
These individuals will fight under their own flag as it were, however due to the nature they will be found primarily within single / small group combat scenarios. That is unless one of the House units would offer them a place within the combined arms tournament.
As for the Clans – they will fight under their own Clan banner and are free to determine the events they want to participate in – even the powered down weapons / computer adjudicator systems.
The SLDF do not have a team perse, that said, if one of the new SLDF units is challenged and the challenge is accepted by the SLDF high command – match on! Would make for an interesting Opfor training exercise at the minimum – so no points are awarded to the League championship – it is just a one off specialty ‘grudge’ match.
Actually the friendly computer match – the computers broke during the match – they couldn’t keep up with the two of them at once if I remember correctly.
From now on if I am discussing anything it will be from the point of view with the Alt. History / Clans Alt History.
I will only put Alt/ History Amaris Forces in when I specifically make a note that it is from that Alt. History point of view.
Sorry, but I thought this was obvious that I was just referencing the Clans Alt History and not the Amaris Alt History.
Get thee to Coventry … Now is the winter of our discontent, made glorious by this daughter of Tharkad … Our army shall march through. Well to New Avalon tonight.
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Requiem
06/18/19 07:12 PM
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Immortal Gladiators ‘Mech League
Games Stables
- Civilian Stables – Very wealthy and influential individuals;
- Corporate Stables – Large military industrial complexes;
- Government Stables – military training / distribution of advanced industrial information for the SLDF;
Assume Arenas are upon all Capitol Worlds – all “Dukes” regional capitol worlds and highly industrialized worlds. Thus each Game Master can determine the number of Stables and where their Home Arena is located and how their round robin event could look like.
Assume that the lower leagues are controlled by each House – operate within the smaller arenas or as warm up acts within the larger arenas.
However, as for the newly renamed “IGML” – they have their own executive committee made up of individuals from the Star League’s Security Council.
The Leagues Draw (who plays who)
Due to the distance between Jump-points scheduling must be from one arena to the next closest arena where every Arena has a Stable and they are all rotating like a machine with multiple gears that rotate at different times and in different directions. (each Game Master can work this out for themselves – however consider anomalies like a Lyran and Kurita unit fighting within the Robinson Arena.
Game Master allocates points for their home team and for each team within the larger league:- results where:-
An overwhelming win – 6 points
A marginal win – 4 points
Draw – 3 points
However the finals will be held upon Solaris every 18 months – This is where people will need to suspend belief a little – Jump-ship travel time between Arena’s will have to be shortened somewhat so that it can occur in the 18 months otherwise it would take far longer to complete a lap of the IS Arenas and be on Solaris by the end of the 18 months – so just assume they have worked out a “perfect” transport schedule to allow the time between arenas is at a minimum.
Thus (approximately) every 14 days your team will have a match upon a new world’s Arena – and you are on that world for approximately 6 days at a time.
This is dependent upon the number of IS Major Arenas each game master has created for their universe.
I realise this might create problems with the amount of work the GM would be required to do. So can I suggest a work around – Say you are already a supporter of a sports team – local / National team – assign everyone within the league a Battletech Stable / Home Arena (including your team) then assign points based upon the actual score difference – you run your game independently to determine the final combatants upon Solaris. So, there is a possibility your team may not even make it to the finals.
In addition there will be uncertainty as to who wins / losses and by how much – the GM cannot be accused of rigging the game if it is beyond her/his control.
And every week throughout the sports season you get an IGML Battle / game throughout the season and you can still have time for your sports team.
Plus – allow home-made ‘Mechs – go to the design forum and see if you can find something interesting.
Any thoughts – did I miss any ideas?
Get thee to Coventry … Now is the winter of our discontent, made glorious by this daughter of Tharkad … Our army shall march through. Well to New Avalon tonight.
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