Requiem
02/05/20 04:18 PM
1.158.235.15
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If one road exists to get into the area, the APCs can get up there to drop off infantry. That does not mean fighting vehicles can maneuver, or even contribute to the combat below.
Lethal Heritage – Page 255 – It is clearly shown that Victor has identified that the Gash MUST BE closed to ensure his flank / rear is kept secure.
If an APC can make it then a panzer or heavy armor can definitely make it.
Then you expect me to believe that only a couple of squads of engineering infantry are sent to secure the area?
He as anywhere between 864 to 1080 armored units – including two panzer, one heavy armor, and one artillery regiments as well as between 7,500 to 10,000 infantry and you expect anyone to believe that a contingency force / contingency plans are not in place to secure his flank / rear?
Wouldn’t you - at a minimum - have your entire regiment of artillery as well as a fighter complement armed with gravity bombs zeroed in on the Gash and ready to go at a moment’s notice if it was that important?
Again this is not believable when you consider the entire TO&E available to Victor!
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The master of tactics is at it again. Dividing your forces is necessary at times, as things like Pincer movements occur. Then there is diversionary tactics. But again. You can magically fit an entire RCT on a single map in the game. Wait. No, you can't.
This is the Clans we are talking about, not the DC.
Page 258 – Hounds Vs. Eyrie
One Battalion of Kell Hounds (36) Vs. elements of the Jade Falcon Eyrie (it appears that only their ‘Mechs were on the battlefield - Their maximum force is 50 ‘Mechs).
What everyone has learnt so far is that you need a minimum of 2:1 in ‘Mechs before you should engage them due to their heat, movement and range advantage – so why even attempt this? The single Hounds battalion are being used as a tethered goat to lure out the lion. Or are they supposed to be the anvil on which the hammer will strike?
Where is the IS rapid reaction force to hammer them? He has the entire 10th – just the ‘Mechs, 156 … where are they?
As only the Second Kell Hounds (a further 36 Mechs) were sent in …
And then we are expected to believe the 9th are still 45 minutes away (Minimum of 120 Mechs) as they are caught within the Diabolis!
As for the Map problem due to the size of the forces available – you just build a bigger Map by adding more and more for a bigger game - I’ve done it.
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Sending forces all over the world is the make sure the intel is accurate as well as try to protect other places incase the enemy flees or breaks off some units to destroy something like the factories.
A series of satellites can do the intelligence.
Question – have the Clans ever committed a scorched earth approach in the past when you abide by their rules?
So you use their own rules against them,
Issue a Trial of Possession for the entire planet – attack en-force – and when defeated and offer Hegira, so they just leave. Any captured Clan individuals / equipment – Isorla!
Thus by defeating the clans in one massive concentrated strike you win your objective of getting the world back.
So this is not an IS Raid – this is annihilating a Clan Garrison (and a second front line unit that was not supposed to be there!)
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You do realize we are talking about clan warriors not mercs. The clans fight short battles.
Yes, and this is the case as noted – you have two short battles – one lasts minutes and then they are entombed.
The other lasts hours before they cut and run.
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Mercs are so limited on resources a lot of the time, having trained pilots helps keep the bottom line low.
This is the Kell Hounds – Their Col. Is Duke of Arc Royal …..
What we have here is a battle with many unanswered questions – that needs to be discussed.
Why would Cray shut it down? No rules have been broken (to my knowledge) – this is an interesting topic – what was written within a Novel was limited in its scope when compared to what the TO&E is available within the source books – what happened? This is supposed to be a military game with military Novels – why limit the Novels to just a small part of the overall TO&E? If only ‘Mech battles are counted then why do we even have Vehicles / fighters etc within the Game?
How many other questions does this open when it affects the canon History of the Game?
Get thee to Coventry … Now is the winter of our discontent, made glorious by this daughter of Tharkad … Our army shall march through. Well to New Avalon tonight.
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ghostrider
02/05/20 05:46 PM
66.74.60.165
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A 20 ton APC going up a trail, verse even a 50 ton tank. Not everything is rated to handle much over 25 tons, so a 50 ton unit would destroy it. Then you have units stranded along the trail. Depending on when, say a small bridge, finally gives out, how do you recover units that made it across? Or fell into what ever it was crossing?
Also, a single shuttle could drop off the APC. They don't want a huge force to alert the clans to what is being done.
Fighting the clans means you don't do V formations or pincers, so you can flank them? No diversions to have their backs towards you for an initial volley?
No tactics, seems to be the case. Just a frontal deathmatch concept seems to be the only tactic in this.
Why would you think there are any satellites left over from any fights on the planet? Not sure about you, but they are not something most forces bring along with them, as they take up space that is better suited for more weapons, armor, ammo and the like. Just one thought of them being used and they would be wiped out by the clans, or even the IS.
Still not getting it thru your head that the IS still did not know what the clans were capable of, or worse. The actual use of the Saber Cat to raze Turtle Bay. Wasn't it before Twycross that the Falcons threatened to use a warship to raze another world? So scorched earth tactics was used once, and threatened a second time. Why would you think otherwise at this point of the invasion? Don't quote end war crap here. This is without the benefit of reading the whole thing after it's done.
Guess the idea that since clans fight short wars, the warriors do NOT need to learn how to fix their own mechs didn't sink in. Even routine work is done by the workers. So clan warriors could not tell you much about how to even change out omnipods, much less how to fix a ERlaser that has been shot up.
There was at least one rule broken. Threadjacking. This was not a topic to start bagging on the developers, or put in the whole concept of they should do this or that. It was asking with the battles fought, did the FS win anything?
Another is keeping real world things out of the threads. So quoting people, or using past battles is violating that rule.
Those that write the novels don't care about what is there. Just to make the heroes seem better. If this was about a tank crew, then they would have included a lot more.
And why have tanks? Really? Pure Logic is why. Who is guarding the worlds and doing all the dirty work? Mechs are the main focus, but they are not the ones doing all the back ground things. It even states, that to hold ground, you need infantry. Ammo carriers aren't mechs, neither are the aircraft used for more then just a few things. So really . Why have tanks is asking, why have humans involved. Just let AI's fight each other.
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Cray
02/05/20 06:41 PM
97.101.136.19
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Why would Cray shut it down? No rules have been broken (to my knowledge) – this is an interesting topic – what was written within a Novel was limited in its scope when compared to what the TO&E is available within the source books – what happened? This is supposed to be a military game with military Novels – why limit the Novels to just a small part of the overall TO&E?
Because this went off-topic (rule 8), and there's always rule 2 if it's needed to calm down a thread.
Mike Miller, Materials Engineer
Disclaimer: Anything stated in this post is unofficial and non-canon unless directly quoted from a published book. Random internet musings of a BattleTech writer are not canon.
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