Sandslash Medium Tank

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kamal1
07/12/20 09:42 AM
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Created on Jan 30, 2015
BATTLETECH
Medium Ground Vehicle Technical Readout

Type: Sandslash Medium Tank
Technology Base: Inner Sphere / 3075
Ruleset: Advanced (5th edition)
Movement Type: Wheeled
Tonnage: 45
Cost: 2,086,788 C-bills
Battle Value: 493
Equipment Mass
Internal Structure: 4.5
Engine: 205 8.5
Type: Fuel Cell
Cruise MP: 5
Flank MP: 8
Heat Sinks: 3 -7.0
Control Equipment: 2.5
Lift Equipment: 0.0
Power Amplifier: 0.0
Turret: 0.0
Armor Factor: 100 6.5
Armor
Value
Front 24
L/R Side 20/20
Rear 16
Turret
Weapons and Ammo Location Tons
Medium Laser Turret 1.0
LB 5-X AC Front 8.0
Streak SRM 4 Front 3.0
Streak SRM 4 Front 3.0
Ammo (LB 5-X) 20 Body 1.0
Ammo (LB 5-X) 20 Body 1.0
Ammo (SSRM 4) 25 Body 1.0
Crew: 3
Cargo: tons

BattleForce 2
MP Damage PB/M/L Overheat Class
5w 2/2/0 - M
Armor/Structure Point Value Specials
-/4 5 -
Sandslash Medium Tank
Mass: 45 tons
Movement Type: Wheeled
Power Plant: Vlar 205 Fuel Cell
Cruising Speed: 54 kph
Flank Speed: 85 kph
Armor: Standard
Armament:
Medium Laser
LB 5-X AC
Streak SRM 4
Streak SRM 4
Manufacturer: Inner Sphere
Communications System: Standard
Targeting & Tracking System: Standard
Overview
A medium combat vehicle, the Sandslash was a skirmisher born, with decent armor and speed, and good firepower for its size and type.
Crew consisted of three: A driver and two gunners--one for the turret-mounted laser and one for the missiles and autocannon.
Capabilities
A Fuel Cell Engine powered the Sandslash at speeds of 87 kph. Six and a half tons of armor provided good protection for a medium tank. A front-mounted LB5-XAC with two tons of ammo allowed the Sandslash to land crippling blows against aircraft and other vehicles with ease using cluster munitions, or take on hardened targets with solid ammo. Two Streak-SRM-4's with one ton of ammo joined the autocannon in the front, allowing even more internal-exploiting capabilities. Finally, a Medium Laser was mounted in the turret for backup independent of ammunition.
Notable Warriors
"The Dauntless Few": Name given to one Lyran Sandslash commanded by one Donovan McGonnagol, the "Dauntless Few" ended an uprising near the edge of the Commonwealth by landing a crippling blow on a rebel Demolisher's motive systems using cluster munitions, bringing the spearhead of the rebellion to a grinding halt and allowing friendly light 'Mech and vehicle assets to dispatch the infantry accompanying the enemy tank. The crew received high praise from their superiors, and the garrison forces, as funds became available, slowly began phasing out many of their medium tanks in favor of the Sandslash.
l0rDn0o8sKiLlZ
07/16/20 03:32 AM
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- It's an interesting machine. My main criticism would be the cost, but the armor is a bit on the thin side, too. Ammunition storage is adequate, and the speed is pretty good, great for a vehicle though. It has a few too many short range weapons for my taste, considering you think of it as a skirmisher. I'd prefer a skirmisher to be 6/9 or better and armed either with stand off weapons (like the LBX 5) or hard hitting close in weapons (like SSRMs), but typically not both.

- A lack of Machine Guns could be a problem if infantry get you, but that's rather a negligible threat for a skirmisher. I like the Medium Laser myself, perhaps you might consider upgrading it to ER spec. Overall, bumping up the weight to 50 Tons might be helpful, maybe give you some more armor and potentially freeing up space for an ER Medium Laser instead. They weigh the same, but since this is a vehicle and it doesn't mount a Fusion Engine those two additional Heat Sinks are gonna cost you 2 tons.
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Silverlocust
07/17/20 06:36 AM
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If this has a turret it needs to have a weight listed. For 6.5 tons your armor should be 104 if using standard. Also your armor locations need to be readjusted because you only show 80 points being allocated.
Reiter
07/18/20 03:56 PM
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          BattleTech Vehicle Technical Readout
OVERWEIGHT

Type/Model: Untitled
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3060
Config: Wheeled Vehicle
Rules: Level 3, Standard design

Mass: 45 tons
Power Plant: 205 I.C.E.
Cruise Speed: 54.0 km/h
Maximum Speed: 86.4 km/h
Armor Type: Standard
Armament:
1 LB 5-X AC
2 Streak SRM 4s
1 Medium Laser
Manufacturer: (Unknown)
Location: (Unknown)
Communications System: (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System: (Unknown)

--------------------------------------------------------
Type/Model: Untitled
Mass: 45 tons

Equipment: Items Mass
Int. Struct.: 25 pts Standard 0 4.50
Engine: 205 I.C.E. 0 17.00
Power Amplifiers: 0 .10
Cruise MP: 5
Flank MP: 8
Heat Sinks: 3 Single 0 3.00
Cockpit & Controls: 0 2.50
Crew: 3 Members 0 .00
Turret Equipment: 0 .50
Armor Factor: 80 pts Standard 0 5.00

Internal Armor
Structure Value
Front: 5 24
Left / Right Sides: 5 20/20
Rear: 5 16
Turret: 5 0

Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Items Mass
--------------------------------------------------------
1 LB 5-X AC Front 0 20 2 9.00
1 Streak SRM 4 Front 0 25 2 4.00
1 Streak SRM 4 Front 0 1 3.00
1 Medium Laser Turret 3 1 1.00
--------------------------------------------------------
TOTALS: 3 6 49.60
Items & Tons Left: 8 -4.60

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 1,001,131 C-Bills
Battle Value: 446
Cost per BV: 2,244.69
Weapon Value: 299 / 244 (Ratio = .67 / .55)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 20; MRDmg = 6; LRDmg = 2
BattleForce2: MP: 5W, Armor/Structure: 0 / 4
Damage PB/M/L: 2/3/1, Overheat: 0
Class: GM; Point Value: 4

Example using the older builder as designed (has an ICE) but its over weight with that ICE. Calculating for the Fuel cell at 2/3 of the weight of the ICE used at 17 tons the FC is 12 tons, its spot on but still comes up short for the missing armor, 80 points is 5 tons but reported 6.5 tons.

Guess-timate as I don't have a HeavyMetal with Fuel Cell option but if you drop the medium laser you can replace it with a machine gun and 1/2 ton ammo, move a single Streak 4 to accompany the MG to make use of the .5 ton turret weight, and should have at least 1.5 tons to add for armor.

As I built it, removing that single medium laser and no turret all weapons mounted front its exactly 45 tons. Price is half what is showing, so that fuel cell must be massively over priced compared to an ICE.
Karagin
07/19/20 12:58 AM
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If you want to mimic the Fuel Cell in HMVee, use the Light Fusion engine similar weight saving.
Karagin

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kamal1
07/27/20 11:15 AM
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Quote:
remlab.sourceforge.net
Created on Jan 30, 2015
BATTLETECH
Medium Ground Vehicle Technical Readout

Type: Sandslash Medium Tank
Technology Base: Inner Sphere / 3075
Ruleset: Advanced (5th edition)
Movement Type: Wheeled
Tonnage: 45
Cost: 2,086,788 C-bills
Battle Value: 493
Equipment Mass
Internal Structure: 4.5
Engine: 205 8.5
Type: Fuel Cell
Cruise MP: 5
Flank MP: 8
Heat Sinks: 3 -7.0
Control Equipment: 2.5
Lift Equipment: 0.0
Power Amplifier: 0.0
Turret: 0.0
Armor Factor: 100 6.5
Armor
Value
Front 24
L/R Side 20/20
Rear 16
Turret
Weapons and Ammo Location Tons
Medium Laser Turret 1.0
LB 5-X AC Front 8.0
Streak SRM 4 Front 3.0
Streak SRM 4 Front 3.0
Ammo (LB 5-X) 20 Body 1.0
Ammo (LB 5-X) 20 Body 1.0
Ammo (SSRM 4) 25 Body 1.0
Crew: 3
Cargo: tons

BattleForce 2
MP Damage PB/M/L Overheat Class
5w 2/2/0 - M
Armor/Structure Point Value Specials
-/4 5 -
Sandslash Medium Tank
Mass: 45 tons
Movement Type: Wheeled
Power Plant: Vlar 205 Fuel Cell
Cruising Speed: 54 kph
Flank Speed: 85 kph
Armor: Standard
Armament:
Medium Laser
LB 5-X AC
Streak SRM 4
Streak SRM 4
Manufacturer: Inner Sphere
Communications System: Standard
Targeting & Tracking System: Standard
Overview
A medium combat vehicle, the Sandslash was a skirmisher born, with decent armor and speed, and good firepower for its size and type.
Crew consisted of three: A driver and two gunners--one for the turret-mounted laser and one for the missiles and autocannon.
Capabilities
A Fuel Cell Engine powered the Sandslash at speeds of 87 kph.
Six and a half tons of armor provided good protection for a medium tank. A front-mounted LB5-XAC with two tons of ammo allowed the Sandslash to land crippling blows against aircraft and other vehicles with ease using cluster munitions, or take on hardened targets with solid ammo. Two Streak-SRM-4's with one ton of ammo joined the autocannon in the front, allowing even more internal-exploiting capabilities. Finally, a Medium Laser was mounted in the turret for backup independent of ammunition.
Notable Warriors
"The Dauntless Few": Name given to one Lyran Sandslash commanded by one Donovan McGonnagol, the "Dauntless Few" ended an uprising near the edge of the Commonwealth by landing a crippling blow on a rebel Demolisher's motive systems using cluster munitions, bringing the spearhead of the rebellion to a grinding halt and allowing friendly light 'Mech and vehicle assets to dispatch the infantry accompanying the enemy tank. The crew received high praise from their superiors, and the garrison forces, as funds became available, slowly began phasing out many of their medium tanks in favor of the Sandslash.

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Karagin
07/27/20 11:36 AM
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Did you fix the errors?
Karagin

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ghostrider
07/27/20 12:08 PM
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Just curious on the heat sinks: 3 - 7.0 entry.
Unless they changed heat sinks for fuel cells, this sounds very odd. A heat sink is 1 ton. This looks like the 3 it has weighs 7 tons.
Typo or mistake in the program?
Not sure if you had the game print out the data here or if you typed it out.

It would increase the cost of the tank, but Ferrous Fiber might help it survive a little more.
Also, the use of wheels means it is very restricted in the terrain it can enter, so kind of limits how much of a skirmisher it can be. But then this is an issue with a lot of other vehicles, both canon and home made.

Not sure what you are looking for with replies. The fluff is decent.
The tank itself seems ok, but it is kind of hard to make one that stands out anymore.
I would suggest remaking the tank, and fixing the issues, then try to get some input.
As it stands, the typos have it as an illegal design.
CarcerKango
07/29/20 05:33 PM
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This is a copy of a thread I made ages ago, I think we have a bot here.
https://www.sarna.net/forums/showflat.ph...true#Post176168


Edited by CarcerKango (07/29/20 05:34 PM)
Karagin
07/29/20 07:17 PM
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Well now that is indeed the case. Still some errors in the desgin
Karagin

Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
l0rDn0o8sKiLlZ
07/30/20 12:59 PM
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Well that's new.
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