Diablo
02/14/02 08:54 PM
206.186.185.6
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OK, I don't know if this is on topic or off so I just stuck it here. but I've actually found a way to vreate an artificial muscle. Bascily it's a bunch of electro magnets around a wire/something to hold them together. when an electric current is passed through them, the magnets attract each other and you get a contraction. Now, I know this would make a better science project than a real life application but I think I'm getting close to a breakthrough. And if I suceed and find someone willing to buy/use this, we may yet see real battlemechs out there someday.
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KamikazeJohnson
02/14/02 09:00 PM
209.202.47.12
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sounds kewl...works in a manner similar to meat muscle, much faster and more responsive than an electric motor. I can definitely see such a thing gaining use once it reaches the required degree of refinement. Bionic limbs, anyone?
Peace is that glorious moment in history when everyone stands around reloading.
--Thomas Jefferson
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Black_Phoenix
02/15/02 07:22 AM
207.252.105.70
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...that myomers-like wires have already been made, don't you? Someone at CBT posted a web site for it (don't know the address).
History is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever.
-Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz
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SpudmanWP
02/15/02 12:06 PM
148.78.248.10
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Search for "Muscle Wire" at Google
SpudmanWp
"The breakfast of champions is not cereal..... it's the competition.
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Cray
02/15/02 12:07 PM
204.245.128.3
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There's several vendors you can order nitinol wire from that will exhibit that behavior when you pass a 1-amp current through the wire (1 amp heats up the wire fast enough to trigger the shape-memory phase change in the wire).
Second, you're on your way to reinventing the solenoid, I think. Of course, this is a bit different - the coils contract, rather than shove a piston around.
A suggestion: can you get coil springs between the emag coils? This would provide a return force when you turned off the power and actually force the coils back to their relaxed state, rather than letting them droop.
Mike Miller, Materials Engineer
Disclaimer: Anything stated in this post is unofficial and non-canon unless directly quoted from a published book. Random internet musings of a BattleTech writer are not canon.
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Spartan
02/15/02 12:37 PM
172.138.48.154
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I saw something like that on Discovery, but didn't they need a chemical solution pored over them to contract? It actually was really cool, they had one of those model skeletons rigged with them riding a stationary bike.
Spartan
We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty.
(I refer you to what Nightward said)
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Cray
02/15/02 01:19 PM
204.245.128.3
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There are quite a few "smart plastics" using several different mechanisms to contract. There are shape-memory plastics, piezoelectric plastics, and those chemically-triggered plastics.
And that doesn't even begin to touch smart metals and smart ceramics.
Mike Miller, Materials Engineer
Disclaimer: Anything stated in this post is unofficial and non-canon unless directly quoted from a published book. Random internet musings of a BattleTech writer are not canon.
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Spartan
02/17/02 12:20 PM
172.136.16.14
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That's really cool. I'm only just getting into the basic parts of material science at school so I haven't yet heard about a lot of this stuff. Where could I get more info?
Spartan
We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty.
(I refer you to what Nightward said)
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Cray
02/18/02 09:28 AM
12.91.121.183
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You can try searches for:
shape memory alloys
memory metals
nickel titanium
phase transition
nitinol
smart plastics
etc.
Mike Miller, Materials Engineer
Disclaimer: Anything stated in this post is unofficial and non-canon unless directly quoted from a published book. Random internet musings of a BattleTech writer are not canon.
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SoyBigHead
02/18/02 09:21 PM
68.57.148.119
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i tried searching for myomers on yahoo but all i got was links to battletech things (honestly!)
"There are three types of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."
-Mark Twain
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Cray
02/19/02 07:18 AM
204.245.128.3
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That's because "myomers" are a fictional BT invention. Try the searches I suggested.
Mike Miller, Materials Engineer
Disclaimer: Anything stated in this post is unofficial and non-canon unless directly quoted from a published book. Random internet musings of a BattleTech writer are not canon.
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KamikazeJohnson
02/19/02 12:27 PM
209.202.47.12
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>>"myomers" are a fictional BT invention<<
I'm sure I've heard the term used elsewhere...of course, they might have "borrowed" it from BTech...
Peace is that glorious moment in history when everyone stands around reloading.
--Thomas Jefferson
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Cray
02/19/02 01:59 PM
204.245.128.3
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The "myo-" prefix shows up in biology with respect to muscles.
Also, BT has had about 17 years to establish the term in just the sort of circles who'd play BT - scientists, engineers, smart material researchers, nerds.
Mike Miller, Materials Engineer
Disclaimer: Anything stated in this post is unofficial and non-canon unless directly quoted from a published book. Random internet musings of a BattleTech writer are not canon.
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KamikazeJohnson
02/19/02 02:12 PM
209.202.47.12
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and, now that i think of it...its a good scientific name...
"myo" (muscle) + "polymer" = myomer
so anyone working on such a thing ought to love the name, whether they borrowed it or came up with the word independently
Peace is that glorious moment in history when everyone stands around reloading.
--Thomas Jefferson
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Acolyte
04/18/02 06:31 AM
142.179.27.248
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The term "myomer" refers to artificial muscle, as far as I've heard. I've seen it in fiction and in other games (CyberPunk for one).
Light a fire for a man, and you keep him warm for one night,
Light a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
Acolyte
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Cray
04/18/02 11:57 AM
204.245.128.3
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>The term "myomer" refers to artificial muscle, as far as I've heard
Yes. Kamikaze was just analyzing its origins.
Mike Miller, Materials Engineer
Disclaimer: Anything stated in this post is unofficial and non-canon unless directly quoted from a published book. Random internet musings of a BattleTech writer are not canon.
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