Karagin
03/15/02 02:29 PM
63.173.170.228
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Wanted:
An Assault mech that fits the following requirements:
Must no have reduant main weapons.
Must have at least two long range system, but they CAN NOT be the same weapons system.
Must move no slower 50kph.
Must have no less then 16 tons of armor.
The mech must not exceed 40 million C-bills in cost.
The winner of the contract will be hired by Bodie Industry and will have the honor of being the man who present the winning mech to the First Lord on his birthday.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Cray
03/15/02 02:50 PM
204.245.128.3
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Stalker retread
STK-7S Stalker
85 tons
4.5 tons endosteel
13 tons 255 Strand
Walking: 3
Running: 5
Jumping: 0
3 tons 13 DHS (LA/LT/RT)
3 tons gyroscope
3 tons cockpit
16.5 tons armor
Head: 3 9
CT: 27 45/9
RT/LT: 18 30/6
RA/LA: 14 28
RL/LL: 18 36
15 tons Gauss Rifle (RA)
10 tons LRM 20 (LA)
10 tons 2x ER LL (RT/LT)
3 tons GR ammo (RT)
3 tons LRM ammo (LT)
1 ton CASE (RT/LT)
No hand or lower arm actuators
Endosteel crits: 2 RL/LL/CT, 4 RT/LT
Cost: low, gotta run
Mike Miller, Materials Engineer
Disclaimer: Anything stated in this post is unofficial and non-canon unless directly quoted from a published book. Random internet musings of a BattleTech writer are not canon.
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novakitty
03/15/02 05:00 PM
24.240.246.16
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TNK1-Thonk
Fluff-text not currently available.
Thonk
80 tons
Tech: IS level 3
engine: 320 XL
Move:
Walk: 4
Run: 6
Jump: 4
Heat Sinks: 13 double
Standard internal structure
No lower arm or hand actuators in left arm
Armor: 16.5 tons patchwork (standard unless otherwise stated)
Head: 9 points hardened
Center Torso: 38/12
Side Torsos: 26/8
Arms: 26
Legs: 34
Equipment:
HV-AC5 / 12 tons / 4 crits / RA
ammo / 2 tons / 2 crits / RA
MRM 20 / 7 tons / 3 crits / LA
ammo / 2 tons / 2 crits / LA
Medium Laser / 1 ton / 1 crit / H
Medium Laser / 1 ton / 1 crit / RT
Medium Laser / 1 ton / 1 crit / RT
Medium Laser / 1 ton / 1 crit / LT
Medium Laser / 1 ton / 1 crit / LT
Bloodhound Active Probe / 2 tons / 3 crits / RT
BV: 987
Cost: 18,499,621 C-Bills
meow
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Karagin
03/15/02 05:09 PM
63.173.170.86
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Can you one up without the level three items?
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
Edited by Karagin (03/15/02 05:10 PM)
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KamikazeJohnson
03/15/02 06:46 PM
209.202.47.12
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WGG-3W Wigglesworth
Mass: 90 tons
Chassis: Skobel 100-ROB Endo Steel
Power Plant: Vlar 270 XL
Cruising Speed: 32.25
Maximum Speed: 53.75
Jump Jets: none
Jump Capacity: none
Armor: Valiant Chainmail
Armament:
1 Dragon's Fire Gauss Rifle
1 Shigunga LRM 15
1 Guided Technologies Streak SRM 6
2 Diverse Optics Medium Pulse Lasers
1 Diverse Optics Sunbeam ER Large Laser
3 Diverse Optics ER Medium Lasers
2 Diverse Optics Type 20 Medium Lasers
1 Imperator Mini Ultra AC/2
Manufacturer: Johnson 'Mechworks Inc.
Primary Factory: Soul
Communications System: Tri-World Duplex 4880
Targeting and Tracking System: Eagle Eye 400 XX
Overview:
It is highly doubtful that at first glance the WGG-3W Wigglesworth could be mistaken for anything other than what it is: yet another JMInc. monstrosity. There is simply no other explanation for the outrageous array of weapons found on the WGG-3W's 90-ton chassis. The massive Gauss Rifle and the LRM-launcher highlight the 'Mech's long-range abilities, backed up by the always-impressive Diverse Optics Sunbeam ER Large Laser and the incongruous Imperator Mini UAC/2 (does anyone other than JMInc. ever use those things?) While the Wigglesworth design emphasizes long-range, it also boasts impressive close-quarters firepower, courtesy of a Streak-SRM rack and a mixed bag of lasers (another JMInc. trademark). The 'Mech is a bit on the slow side, but it is fast enough to meet the minimum speed requirements of the Bodie Industries Design Challenge. And the whole bundle comes in at just over 19,000,000 C-Bills, less than half the stated budget.
Capabilities:
While the WGG-3W may appear bizarre, the numbers pertaining to this machine are quite impressive. With an incredible 1.02 damage/ton quotient, the Wigglesworth is one of the most potent offensive weapons in existence, and the reversible arms, rear-firing lasers, and moderate heat buildup at long- or short-range allow it to bring that firepower to bear on almost any target. Maximum armor coverage provides wonderful survivability.
There are two noteworthy drawbacks to the design: the ammo dependence of its primary weapons systems, and the bulky XL Engine. It is a mystery why JMInc. used the XL when they could eliminate it simply by dropping the near-useless double-barrel pop-gun (and have room for a welcome extra heat sink in exchange for a tiny amount of armor), but then...most of Johnson 'Mechworks' design decisions are a mystery anyway :-\
Known Variants:
There are two available variants of the WGG-3W Wigglesworth. The 2S variant takes the path described above, dropping the UAC/2 and 1/2 ton of armor to eliminate the XL Engine and add an extra heat sink. The 4R variant, a treat for the trigger-happy pilot, drops the LA-mounted ER Medium Laser, and trades the UAC for a rapid-fire RAC/2.
WGG-3W Wigglesworth
Technology Base: - Inner Sphere - Level 2
Equipment Mass
Internal Structure: - EndoSteel 4.5
Engine: 270 XL 7.5
Walking MP: 3
Running MP: 5
Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks: 10(20) - Double 0
Gyro: 3
Cockpit: 3
Armor Factor: 279 17.5
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Head 3 9
Center Torso 29 46
Center Torso(rear) 12
R/L Torso 19 28
R/L Torso(rear) 10
R/L Arm 15 30
R/L Leg 19 38
Weapons and Ammo Location Critical Tonnage
Gauss Rifle LA 7 15
Gauss Rifle Ammo LA 2 2
Medium Laser LA 1 1
ER Large Laser LT 2 5
Medium Laser LT 1 1
Medium Pulse Laser LT 1 2
ER Medium Laser RT 1 1
Medium Pulse Laser RT 1 2
Streak SRM 6 RT 2 4.5
LRM 15 RA 3 7
LRM 15 Ammo - Artemis IV RA 2 2
Ultra AC/2 RA 3 7
Ultra AC/2 Ammo RA 1 1
Artemis IV RA 1 1
ER Medium Laser CT(R) 1 1
ER Medium Laser CT(R) 1 1
Streak SRM 6 Ammo H 1 1
Cost: 19,229,900
BV: 1539
MY BLURB:
I didn't particularly want to use XL on this beast, but it just kinda worked out that way. I had intended to use the RAC on the primary variant, but decided that the design already had enough weaponry covering that range, so the long range of the Ultra would be more useful.
Peace is that glorious moment in history when everyone stands around reloading.
--Thomas Jefferson
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Karagin
03/15/02 08:40 PM
63.173.170.143
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Scary part is this thing is not half bad...
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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KamikazeJohnson
03/16/02 01:45 PM
209.202.47.12
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Nasty, unless you're inside the minimum of that HGR. Maybe I'll have to submit a second design specifically to deal with this thing *evil grin*
Yeeeesssssss.....I have juuuussssssssst the thiiiiiiiiiinnnnggg!
Karagin...will you be accepting multiple sumissions, or only one per person?
Peace is that glorious moment in history when everyone stands around reloading.
--Thomas Jefferson
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Hellbringer
03/16/02 04:17 PM
192.195.234.26
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Hey, if you did not want level three weapons then you should have said so in the contest rules.
"But it SHOULD be a spectacle! It should be grand and exciting to us all! I'd hate to think that we've become so jaded that we find even our greatest tiumph, resurrecting the Star League, simply one more obligation."
-General Victor Steiner-Davion (First Prince and Archon in exile) 3064
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Hellbringer
03/16/02 04:45 PM
192.195.234.26
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SUN-12 Sunburst
85 Tons
Inner Sphere Technology Level 3
Engine: 340XL
Heat Sinks: 12(24) Double
Actuators: Left Arm: ALL Right Arm: Shoulder, Upper Arm
Movement:
Walking: 4
Running: 6
Jumping: 4
Structure: 4.5 tons EndoSteel
Armor: 16 tons standard
Head: 9
Center Torso/Rear: 40/13
Right/Left Torso/Rear: 27/9
Right/Left Arm: 28
Right/Left Leg: 33
Equipment: Location/Critical/Tonnage
ER PPC w/Capacitator LT/4/8
Gauss Rifle: RA/7/15
@Gauss Rifle: RT/1/1
@Gauss Rifle: RT/1/1
@Gauss Rifle: RT/1/1
LRM 10 w/Artemis IV: RA/2/5
Artemis IV FCS: RA/1/1
@LRM 10 Artemis IV: RT/1/1
@LRM 10 Artemis IV: RT/1/1
Medium Pulse Laser: CT/1/2
Medium Pulse Laser: LT/1/2
Jump Jet: LL/1/1
Jump Jet: LL/1/1
Jump Jet: RL/1/1
Jump Jet: RL/1/1
Cost: 21,227,301
Battle Value: 1,999
As long as the pilot is careful about where and when the PPC is used this mech should be quite powerful. The guass rifle and Artemis System allow the Sunburst not to have a huge overheating problem, but it can still get quite hot if the pilot dose not watch his weapons usage. Now the ER PPC w/Capacitator is what gives the SUN-12 its name. The huge energy weapon is fearsome, and when coupled to the Gauss rifle it can be downright devestating. Also, the jump jets should give the Sunburst an advantage in mobility over other mechs of its weight class. Hope that you guys like it.
"But it SHOULD be a spectacle! It should be grand and exciting to us all! I'd hate to think that we've become so jaded that we find even our greatest tiumph, resurrecting the Star League, simply one more obligation."
-General Victor Steiner-Davion (First Prince and Archon in exile) 3064
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Karagin
03/16/02 05:41 PM
63.173.170.77
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If you are going to complain then DON'T take part.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Karagin
03/16/02 05:43 PM
63.173.170.77
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Sorry but the two gauss rifles are of the same class of weaponary, so they need to go if you want this mech to be considered.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Karagin
03/16/02 05:45 PM
63.173.170.77
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Knock your self out...it's all for fun so have some fun with it.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Cray
03/16/02 07:44 PM
12.91.128.72
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Hey, you're changing the rules. I mean, sure, you can do that - it's your design contest - but none of your rules said anything about "same class of weapons":
Must no have reduant main weapons.
Must have at least two long range system, but they CAN NOT be the same weapons system.
Must move no slower 50kph.
Must have no less then 16 tons of armor.
The mech must not exceed 40 million C-bills in cost.
The GR and HGR are not "redundant" nor are they "the same weapon system." They fill different roles and are different weapons.
But you ARE the ultimate arbitator in this matter. Please be a little clearer in the future, that's all.
Mike Miller, Materials Engineer
Disclaimer: Anything stated in this post is unofficial and non-canon unless directly quoted from a published book. Random internet musings of a BattleTech writer are not canon.
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Cray
03/16/02 07:45 PM
12.91.128.72
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Well, it's a legitimate point. You're changing the rules in the middle of the contest. That's twice now.
Mike Miller, Materials Engineer
Disclaimer: Anything stated in this post is unofficial and non-canon unless directly quoted from a published book. Random internet musings of a BattleTech writer are not canon.
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Hellbringer
03/16/02 10:09 PM
192.195.234.26
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I am not complaining just, pointing out an oversight on your part.
"But it SHOULD be a spectacle! It should be grand and exciting to us all! I'd hate to think that we've become so jaded that we find even our greatest tiumph, resurrecting the Star League, simply one more obligation."
-General Victor Steiner-Davion (First Prince and Archon in exile) 3064
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KamikazeJohnson
03/17/02 01:17 AM
209.202.47.12
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I wasn't going to make the obvious choice by going for the 100-tonner (opting instead for the efficiency of a slightly lighter 'Mech), but Psycho's thing changed my mind, inspiring me to compete through sheer tonnage. So here it is...my warped, twisted MunchkinMobile!!!!! 
Enjoy. Or, alternatively, claw your eyes out and run screaming into the night. Your choice.
PTR-ZB Potrzebie
Mass: 100 tons
Chassis: Bander Custom 1
Power Plant: GM 400 XL
Cruising Speed: 43
Maximum Speed: 64.5
Jump Jets: Swingline X-1000
Jump Capacity: 120 meters
Armor: Kallon Royalstar Heavy Type K
Armament:
1 Magna Firestar ER PPC
2 Diverse Optics ER Medium Lasers
2 Magna Quasar Medium Pulse Lasers
1 Imperator Ultra AC/5
Manufacturer: Johnson 'Mechworks Inc.
Primary Factory: Soul
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown
Overview:
While searching for a name for their latest design, JMInc.'s
design came came across the word "potrzebie" in an old issue of "Mad"
Magazine (a fitting source of inspiration). While they had no idea
what the word meant, they felt the sound of it fit this beast
perfectly. The PPC and Ultra AC/5 provide the long-range variety
required for the Bodie Industries Design Challenge, and the two pairs
of lasers add moderate supporting fire, but the focus of the design
is the massive hatchet, which has the potential to cripple many
'Mechs with a single blow. Add to that the Potrzebie's awesome
mobility (for an assault 'Mech), and this is definitely not a design
to be overlooked.
Known Variants:
The design team's first take on this 'Mech, the PTR-ZB(A), made
use of a Shigunga LRM-15 launcher with Artemis IV FCS and 2 tons of
ammo. Although this variant boasts superior range and damage, the
designers felt that the resulting heat buildup compromised the
Potrzebie's mobility. Consequently, the LRM was replaced with the
low-heat UAC, but switching back to the original version is a simple
matter.
PTR-ZB Potrzebie
Technology Base: - Inner Sphere - Level 2
Equipment Mass
Internal Structure: - EndoSteel 5
Engine: 400 XL 26.5
Walking MP: 4[8]
Running MP: 6
Jumping MP: 4
Heat Sinks: 10(20) - Double 0
Gyro: 4
Cockpit: 3
Armor Factor: 296 18.5
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Head 3 9
Center Torso 31 45
Center Torso(rear) 12
R/L Torso 21 32
R/L Torso(rear) 10
R/L Arm 17 33
R/L Leg 21 40
Weapons and Ammo Location Critical Tonnage
Hatchet LA 7 7
ER PPC LT 3 7
Medium Pulse Laser LT 1 2
Medium Pulse Laser LT 1 2
Jump Jet LL 2 2
Jump Jet RL 2 2
MASC RT 5 5
Ultra AC/5 RA 5 9
ER Medium Laser CT 1 1
ER Medium Laser CT 1 1
Ultra AC/5 Ammo H 1 1
Cost: 32,337,334
BV: 1699
MY BLURB:
I think this 'Mech's usage is self-evident...just charge and chop! Do I win a special prize for coming closest to the 40M budget?
Peace is that glorious moment in history when everyone stands around reloading.
--Thomas Jefferson
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KamikazeJohnson
03/17/02 01:32 AM
209.202.47.12
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I just realized something...without L3 hardened armor, no 80-ton 'Mech can mount 16 tons of armor as the contract requires (15.5 is max)
Does that mean that 80-tonners are automatically ineligible? Or will there be a bit of flexibility in the entry requirements to allow 80s?
Peace is that glorious moment in history when everyone stands around reloading.
--Thomas Jefferson
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Hellbringer
03/17/02 01:53 AM
192.195.234.26
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Good call, KamikazeJohnson
"But it SHOULD be a spectacle! It should be grand and exciting to us all! I'd hate to think that we've become so jaded that we find even our greatest tiumph, resurrecting the Star League, simply one more obligation."
-General Victor Steiner-Davion (First Prince and Archon in exile) 3064
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Karagin
03/17/02 02:14 AM
63.173.170.58
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No, not changing anything, all I asked was could he do the same style mech up with level 2 tech...how is that changing the rules? If asking for another mech is changing the rules then I am so glad you know the rules so well...
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Karagin
03/17/02 02:15 AM
63.173.170.58
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What over sight? All asked was could he make a level 2 version how is that an over sight?
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Karagin
03/17/02 02:16 AM
63.173.170.58
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REDUANT WEAPONS:
TWO of the same kind, GAUSS RIFLES are the same, no matter their size...
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Karagin
03/17/02 02:18 AM
63.173.170.58
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If you can't get 16 tons of armor, for reasons of wanting CASE or something similar then explaining that out in the fluff is okay with me...if you want to use harded armor that is your call with the given drawbacks of using said armor.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Cray
03/17/02 08:06 AM
12.78.119.110
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Okay, if you say so. But why would anyone think weapons as different as the HGR and GR are "redundant"? It's like calling a medium laser and large laser redundant.
Mike Miller, Materials Engineer
Disclaimer: Anything stated in this post is unofficial and non-canon unless directly quoted from a published book. Random internet musings of a BattleTech writer are not canon.
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Hellbringer
03/17/02 10:33 AM
192.195.234.26
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You could just admit that the rules were not as well defined as they could have been.
"But it SHOULD be a spectacle! It should be grand and exciting to us all! I'd hate to think that we've become so jaded that we find even our greatest tiumph, resurrecting the Star League, simply one more obligation."
-General Victor Steiner-Davion (First Prince and Archon in exile) 3064
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Karagin
03/17/02 03:07 PM
63.173.170.30
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The lasers like the Medium or Small are secondary weapons on the bigger mechs. Weapons like the Gauss or Heavy Gauss are PRIMARY WEAPONS and since BOTH are of the Gauss family of weapons and have the range to put out the damage they violate the rules of the design criteria.
If you happen to disagree, as you do then that is your opition, as it stands my ruling for this challenge is they are grouped the same so the design is out. If he wants to redo the mech with missile in place of the heavy gauss or something else then it could be resubmitted.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Karagin
03/17/02 03:09 PM
63.173.170.30
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They were defined as I wanted them...ALL I asked for was if he could do the same with level 2 tech...it was a simple request, just to see if it could be done.
I think there is some confusion here. I am not disqualifying Level 3 designs for the contest. They are vaild submissions. What I was interested in was a level 2 version of the mech for reference only, to play with in some private level 2 games, with my friends, since I liked the design. This in no way means that this is the winner, I just happen to like the mech and wanted to see a possible level 2 version.
Does this clear things up? I think this clears things up. No I am not changing the contest quidelines.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
Edited by Karagin (03/17/02 03:33 PM)
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Hellbringer
03/17/02 04:11 PM
192.195.234.26
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But you should have known it could not be done because of the rules you assigned to the contest. An 80 ton battlemech cannot carry 16 tons of armor without level three hardened armor.
"But it SHOULD be a spectacle! It should be grand and exciting to us all! I'd hate to think that we've become so jaded that we find even our greatest tiumph, resurrecting the Star League, simply one more obligation."
-General Victor Steiner-Davion (First Prince and Archon in exile) 3064
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KamikazeJohnson
03/17/02 06:09 PM
209.202.47.12
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But the level 2 version in question here is not for entry into the competition. It is simply for his personal use, so it doesn't have to meet the posted design criteria.
Peace is that glorious moment in history when everyone stands around reloading.
--Thomas Jefferson
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novakitty
03/17/02 07:06 PM
24.240.246.16
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By changing the HV Autocannon to an LB-X, using standard armor on the head, and removing the Bloodhound, all the level 3 gear will be removed. I suggest adding a standard active probe and ECM to give it some manner of stealth and anti-stealth (level 3 only had a lot of anti-stealth). After that, there will be four tons free. If you dislike targetting computers, add another pair of heat sinks and a medium pulse to the mix. Otherwise fill the four tons with an exactly 4 ton targetting computer. This will probably maximize effective damage with the design.
The BV of such a design (TC version) is almost twice that of the mech I submitted for this contest. And approximately 22,000 C-Bills cheaper.
meow
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Hellbringer
03/18/02 03:06 PM
192.195.234.26
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No way dude...those are "SECONDARY" weapons on a big mech like this. :-P
"But it SHOULD be a spectacle! It should be grand and exciting to us all! I'd hate to think that we've become so jaded that we find even our greatest tiumph, resurrecting the Star League, simply one more obligation."
-General Victor Steiner-Davion (First Prince and Archon in exile) 3064
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