Hellbringer
04/24/02 11:14 AM
192.195.234.26
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Heck, they were around before the Crusader Clans, even before the fall of the Star League too. They are clearly level 2 tech, let it run.
"But it SHOULD be a spectacle! It should be grand and exciting to us all! I'd hate to think that we've become so jaded that we find even our greatest tiumph, resurrecting the Star League, simply one more obligation."
-General Victor Steiner-Davion (First Prince and Archon in exile) 3064
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novakitty
04/24/02 11:53 AM
192.195.234.26
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LAMs are a type of battlemech, agromechs, or other non-combat mechs would be different categories. A LAM is designed for battle, hence it is a BATTLEmech, just with a different mission profile. Your argument would imply that scout mechs are not battlemechs.
As for your circular logic on the "tournament legal" bit, WHAT?
"LAMs are not tournament legal and are therefore clearly not tournament legal."
I could counter with: "Your argument is irrational, therefore it is clearly irrational."
Insightful logic in that last one, quineg?
meow
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KitK
04/24/02 12:03 PM
216.239.5.155
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65 Tons RGT-1 Regeant
Chassis: CMCDieron Orbital Endo Steel
Power Plant: Magna 390 XL
Cruising Speed: 64.5
Maximum Speed: 96.75
Jump Jets: none
Jump Capacity: none
Armor: StarSlab/9.5 Mk II
Armament:
2 Shigunga MRM 10s
1 Starcutter PPC
3 CMCSpecialized Shoguns ER Medium Lasers
Manufacturer: CMCDesigns
Primary Factory: Dieron
Communications System: Sony MST-15
Targeting and Tracking System: Winston Coral Snake
Overview:
The games continue! The Solaris games may finally have a
challenger as the odd ball prototype 'Mechs of the Innershpere's
'Mech manufactures via for a profitable moment in the lime light of
victory. The crowds have been growing at these events take place on
worlds across the Innershere, not just Solaris. Polls of the fans
show that they appreciate having a local event...a live event that is
far cheaper than even a Solaris pay-per-view. The other most common
fan comment is that there are no "overpaid 'Mech Jox" showboating
around, "These pilots really want to fight, they've got something on
the line other than fame and fanfare."
To that end CMCDesigns' board of directors approved the
application of entry of the RGT-1 Regeant into the CyberTechnology
'Mech Design Grande Tournament.
Capabilities:
The Regeant is as fast as a mech this size can move under normal
myomer and engine propulsion. Sporting a monster of an XL engine, an
endo steel chassis and only half the maximum armor (competition
criteria), the Regeant had plenty of room and weight left for
firepower. A Starcutter PPC provides the long-range destruction.
MRM 10's, which have been proving very effective in CMCD designs and
keeping CMCD's Shigunga investors happy, coupled with a trio of
extended range medium lasers make up the medium and short-range
firepower. A mere 5 point maximum overheat also makes the
alpha-strike option available to the pilot with out risking sever
injury or mech shutdown.
Deployment:
None
Battle History:
Engineering and Design Requirements - Approved
Structural Tests - Completed
Simulator Tests - Completed
Firing Range Tests - Completed
Live Combat Test - Complete; Successful
Live Competion - Scheduled; CyberTechnology 'Mech Design Grande Tournament
Variants:
None
RGT-1 Regeant
Technology Base: - Inner Sphere - Level 2
Equipment Mass
Internal Structure: - EndoSteel 3.5
Engine: 390 XL 23
Walking MP: 6
Running MP: 9
Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks: 16(32) - Double 6
Gyro: 4
Cockpit: 3
Armor Factor: 104 6.5
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Head 3 3
Center Torso 21 16
Center Torso(rear) 5
R/L Torso 15 10
R/L Torso(rear) 5
R/L Arm 10 10
R/L Leg 15 15
Weapons and Ammo Location Critical Tonnage
MRM 10 Ammo (48) CT 2 2
MRM 10 Ammo (24) H 1 1
PPC LA 3 7
MRM 10 LL 2 3
ER Medium Laser LT 1 1
ER Medium Laser RA 1 1
MRM 10 RL 2 3
ER Medium Laser RT 1 1
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novakitty
04/24/02 02:47 PM
192.195.234.26
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Well, I do not know about this "tournament legal" discussion of yours, but I have resources that indicate that LAMs are level 1 tech. (Aerotech 1, not the sissy Aerotech 2 approximations of combat).
meow
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Tron
04/24/02 02:55 PM
64.154.74.66
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That was then. This is now and LAMs are pretty illegal in every sense of the word.
"The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote."-Kosh
We are a race that has the ability of going beyond the boundries placed on us. The question we should ask ourselves then is whether or not we should go beyond those boundries?
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NathanKell
04/24/02 03:10 PM
24.44.238.62
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Durnit! Misread the rules AGAIN!
{misread the *have-to-mount-XL-if-possible* bit}
Sorry. Replacement coming up.
-NathanKell, BT Space Wars
Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear.
Thomas Jefferson |
NathanKell
04/24/02 03:13 PM
24.44.238.62
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For its own pilot as well, eh? 
And a typo--the LRM-15 is an LRM-15 *with* Artemis IV. TDB shows it on the crit list, but not the weapons description.
-NathanKell, BT Space Wars
Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear.
Thomas Jefferson |
Bob_Richter
04/24/02 03:33 PM
134.121.157.14
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Let me lay down the law.
1) OmniMechs and AirMechs are NOT BattleMechs.
2) LAMs are not tournament legal. They are level 3 technology, as they have been since the publication of the Tactical Handbook (and, coincidentally, the definition of level 3 play.) They are not listed in the unrevised BMR as they have not been listed in ANY level 2 rulebook (The early Compendiums don't count since their play levels were never defined.)
I hope I've cleared up your confusion.
-Bob (The Magnificent) Richter
Assertions made in this post are the humble opinion of Bob.
They are not necessarily statements of fact or decrees from God Himself, unless explicitly and seriously stated to be so.
:)
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NathanKell
04/24/02 03:39 PM
24.44.238.62
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TSE-8E Tse Tse
Chassis: ExoSkel A
Power Plant: Rapid Flapid Wings 360 XL
Cruising Speed: 86 beats per minute
Maximum Speed: 129 beats per minute
Jump Jets: I've...I've got wings!
Jump Capacity: none, I only *thought* I could fly
Armor: Not enough
Armament:
2 LB 2-X "Flyswatter" ACs
1 Mini-bite ER Medium Laser
Manufacturer: They don't get assembled...they *breed*
Primary Factory: The nearest swamp
Communications System: Annoying Buzz, Inc. FlyBuz
Targeting and Tracking System: Micro-Chomp Biting Solutions
The Tse Tse was designed by a late, unlamented Solaris gladiator who was allergic to flies. Suffering a particularly bad reaction to a minuscule Tse Tse bite, the mechwarrior had an inspiration: design a mech that outranged all others, and the speed to keep that range open. It would only work in duels, of course, but then that's all he'd fight, anyway.
With about as much armor as its namesake, and with less bite, the Tse Tse, would be out of place anywhere else, is but one oddity among many on Solaris.
And hey--that mechwarrior was never hurt in its cockpit!
He got killed by an *actual* Tse Tse fly.
TSE-8E Tse Tse
Technology Base: - Inner Sphere - Level 2
Equipment Mass
Internal Structure: - EndoSteel 2.5
Engine: 360 XL 16.5
Walking MP: 8
Running MP: 12
Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks: 10(20) - Double 0
Gyro: 4
Cockpit: 3
Armor Factor: 72 - Ferro-Fibrous 4
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Head 3 3
Center Torso 14 11
Center Torso(rear) 2
R/L Torso 11 10
R/L Torso(rear) 1
R/L Arm 7 7
R/L Leg 11 10
Weapons and Ammo Location Critical Tonnage
LB 2-X AC Ammo - Cluster LA 1 1
LB 2-X AC LT 4 6
TSM LL 2 0
TSM RL 2 0
LB 2-X AC RT 4 6
LB 2-X AC Ammo - Cluster RA 1 1
TSM CT 2 0
ER Medium Laser H 1 1
-NathanKell, BT Space Wars
Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear.
Thomas Jefferson |
KamikazeJohnson
04/24/02 03:43 PM
209.202.47.12
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JMInc. might put in a bid for the rights to the design 
Peace is that glorious moment in history when everyone stands around reloading.
--Thomas Jefferson
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novakitty
04/24/02 04:01 PM
192.195.234.26
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No confusion to clear up on my end, but the terms are being used incorrectly.
meow
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Bob_Richter
04/24/02 04:42 PM
134.121.157.14
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Which terms would those be?
Battlemech as opposed to LAM?
No. That's correct.
Level 2 and Level 3?
No, once again, my usage there is correct.
Tell me, what do you mean?
-Bob (The Magnificent) Richter
Assertions made in this post are the humble opinion of Bob.
They are not necessarily statements of fact or decrees from God Himself, unless explicitly and seriously stated to be so.
:)
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novakitty
04/24/02 04:56 PM
192.195.234.26
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Battlemech is the general term of all mechs designed for combat use. Omni and Land air mechs are, technically, categories of battlemech. If you do not want them in the tournament, go ahead, Omni's would gain nothing by the rule definition anyway, and I was not serious with this design.
meow
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Bob_Richter
04/24/02 05:19 PM
134.121.157.14
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FASA specifically makes Omnimechs a special case. When you say "Battlemech", you are talking about STANDARD Battlemechs, not modular ones.
AirMechs aren't EVEN 'Mechs. They're a different breed of thing altogether.
-Bob (The Magnificent) Richter
Assertions made in this post are the humble opinion of Bob.
They are not necessarily statements of fact or decrees from God Himself, unless explicitly and seriously stated to be so.
:)
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KamikazeJohnson
04/24/02 06:46 PM
209.202.47.12
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...to submit a true wrecking machine, I present.....
KMK-3Z Kamikaze
Mass; 85 tons
Chassis: Unknown
Power Plant: Unknown 340 XL
Cruising Speed: 43
Maximum Speed: 64.5
Jump Jets: none
Jump Capacity: none
Armor: Unknown with CASE
Armament:
1 ER PPC
2 Gauss Rifles
3 Medium Pulse Lasers
Manufacturer: Unknown
Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown
Overview:
JMInc. officials refuse to comment on exactly how and where they
acquired the ClanTech which made this 'Mech possible, but wherever it
came from, here it is. Packing considerably more punch than any
other submission to the contest, the Kamikaze ought to be an easy
winner, provided it doesn't blow itself up from the inside out the
first time its hit :-\
KMK-3Z Kamikaze
Technology Base: - Clan - Level 2
Equipment Mass
Internal Structure: - EndoSteel 4.5
Engine: 340 XL 13.5
Walking MP: 4
Running MP: 6
Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks: 15(30) - Double 5
Gyro: 4
Cockpit: 3
Armor Factor: 130 - Ferro-Fibrous 7
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Head 3 3
Center Torso 27 22
Center Torso(rear) 5
R/L Torso 18 15
R/L Torso(rear) 3
R/L Arm 14 14
R/L Leg 18 18
Weapons and Ammo Location Critical Tonnage
Gauss Rifle LA 6 12
Gauss Rifle Ammo LA 4 4
Gauss Rifle Ammo LT 2 2
Medium Pulse Laser LT 1 2
Gauss Rifle Ammo RT 2 2
Medium Pulse Laser RT 1 2
Gauss Rifle RA 6 12
Gauss Rifle Ammo RA 4 4
ER PPC CT 2 6
Medium Pulse Laser H 1 2
Cost: 21,014,459
BV: 2490
What else can I say?
Peace is that glorious moment in history when everyone stands around reloading.
--Thomas Jefferson
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novakitty
04/24/02 08:11 PM
192.195.234.26
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By removing the conversion equipent, and replacing the weapon layout with an MRM10, 2 medium lasers, and 3 small pulse lasers, this design fits the "no mech-mods" rule.
Contest permissable stats follow:
Name: Elbonian Micro-Mosquito (boring variety)
Tech: IS lvl2
Tonnage: 45
Engine: 360 xl (16.5 tons)
Walk: 8
Run: 12
Jump 8
Heat Sinks: 11 double
Internal: EndoSteel
Armor: standard (5 tons)
H: 3
CT: 11/3
R/LT: 9/2
R/LA: 7
R/LL: 11
Weapons:
1 x MRM 10 / 3 tons / 2 crits / LT
ammo / 1 ton / 1 crit / LT
2 x medium lasers / 2 tons / 2 crits / RT
3 x small pulse lasers / 3 tons / 3 crits / RT
Other gear:
8 jump jets / 4 tons / 8 crits / 4 in each side torso
Cost: 10,076,340
BV: 859
meow
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Tron
04/24/02 08:40 PM
65.56.32.127
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Snake Eyes
Chassis: Unknown
Power Plant: Unknown 360 XL
Cruising Speed: 64.5
Maximum Speed: 96.75
Jump Jets: Unknown
Jump Capacity: 180 meters
Armor: Unknown
Armament:
2 ER Large Lasers
3 ER Medium Lasers
Manufacturer: Unknown
Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown
Overview:
Entering the competitions for unknown reason is a lone
mechwarrior whomakes no distinction from calling him or his mech
Snake Eyes....
Snake Eyes
Technology Base: - Mixed (IS Chassis) - Level 2
Equipment Mass
Internal Structure: - EndoSteel 3
Engine: 360 XL 16.5
Walking MP: 6
Running MP: 9
Jumping MP: 6
Heat Sinks: 15(30) - Double 5
Gyro: 4
Cockpit: 3
Armor Factor: 104 6.5
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Head 3 8
Center Torso 20 15
Center Torso(rear) 5
R/L Torso 14 10
R/L Torso(rear) 2
R/L Arm 10 11
R/L Leg 14 15
Weapons and Ammo Location Critical Tonnage
(IS) ER Large Laser LA 2 5
Jump Jet LT 1 1
TSM LT 3 0
Jump Jet LL 2 1
Jump Jet RL 2 1
(IS) ER Medium Laser RT 1 1
(IS) ER Medium Laser RT 1 1
Jump Jet RT 1 1
TSM RT 3 0
Sword RA 4 3
(IS) ER Large Laser CT 2 5
(IS) ER Medium Laser H 1 1
"The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote."-Kosh
We are a race that has the ability of going beyond the boundries placed on us. The question we should ask ourselves then is whether or not we should go beyond those boundries?
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Tron
04/24/02 08:45 PM
65.56.32.127
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No no. If you really had nerve you would put clan tech on IS Chasis. By definition it's an IS mech and that means it won't have to fight Bob's undisclosed anti-Clan mech. Good thing noone has thought of that yet *walks away whistling innocently*
BTW I'd bet 100 cbills my Roadrunner would eat your mech for breakfast *waves 100 C-Note in the air while walking away and still whistling*
"The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote."-Kosh
We are a race that has the ability of going beyond the boundries placed on us. The question we should ask ourselves then is whether or not we should go beyond those boundries?
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novakitty
04/24/02 08:48 PM
192.195.234.26
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Carefully read the rules. Clan-tech designs, that would potentially include a mech whose only Clan components are a pair of machine guns.
meow
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Tron
04/24/02 08:57 PM
65.56.32.127
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Dammit my plans to ruin this game with loopholes can't be foiled Alas...
"The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote."-Kosh
We are a race that has the ability of going beyond the boundries placed on us. The question we should ask ourselves then is whether or not we should go beyond those boundries?
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KamikazeJohnson
04/24/02 09:04 PM
209.202.47.12
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Would you give odds if I stipulate that the Kamikaze not waste irreplaceable GR ammo, and so use only its ERPPC to rip up your worthless piece of guano?
Hmmm...1 of 3 primary weapons...would you give me 3:1 odds on that? 
*begins thumbing through the Yellow Pages looking for bookies*
Provided, of course, that Bob pairs them up at any point...
Peace is that glorious moment in history when everyone stands around reloading.
--Thomas Jefferson
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novakitty
04/24/02 09:08 PM
192.195.234.26
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I will wager 15,000 in Solaris scrip on the speedy thing.
meow
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Hellbringer
04/24/02 10:19 PM
192.195.234.26
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C-bills only man, I don't take that toilet paper stuff.
"But it SHOULD be a spectacle! It should be grand and exciting to us all! I'd hate to think that we've become so jaded that we find even our greatest tiumph, resurrecting the Star League, simply one more obligation."
-General Victor Steiner-Davion (First Prince and Archon in exile) 3064
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LordChaos
04/24/02 10:42 PM
216.161.101.48
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You know, call me stuborn, but I'll never agree that something from the ORIGINAL 3025 TRO isn't leve 1.
Course, I'm also one of those that don't belive RACs exist, and belive the clans to be one of the worst things to happen to Btech...
Real mechwariors pilot IS mechs.
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Bob_Richter
04/25/02 02:14 AM
134.121.247.162
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The ORIGINAL TRO 3025 was NEVER level 1.
-Bob (The Magnificent) Richter
Assertions made in this post are the humble opinion of Bob.
They are not necessarily statements of fact or decrees from God Himself, unless explicitly and seriously stated to be so.
:)
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Acolyte
04/25/02 03:36 AM
142.179.27.248
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Level one means original boxed set. Of BattleTech. Not even Vehicles or AeroSpace Figthers are level 1.
Light a fire for a man, and you keep him warm for one night,
Light a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
Acolyte
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NathanKell
04/25/02 01:44 PM
24.44.238.62
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Well, their *tech base* sometimes is.
One must, I guess, distinguish between tech level and rules level.
-NathanKell, BT Space Wars
Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear.
Thomas Jefferson |
Tron
04/25/02 01:48 PM
146.245.9.169
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You want ERPPCs? Then bring it.
I'll give you five to one odds 
"The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote."-Kosh
We are a race that has the ability of going beyond the boundries placed on us. The question we should ask ourselves then is whether or not we should go beyond those boundries?
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Bob_Richter
04/25/02 03:14 PM
134.121.157.14
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Something else for my Dark Horse to dismantle. And here I was afraid I would only get to kill ONE 'Mech with it.
-Bob (The Magnificent) Richter
Assertions made in this post are the humble opinion of Bob.
They are not necessarily statements of fact or decrees from God Himself, unless explicitly and seriously stated to be so.
:)
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LordChaos
04/25/02 03:23 PM
216.161.101.148
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True...
And I know that some items that were around before there were different levels (rules OR tech) are not considered level 3.
You know what? It doesn't bother me, because I don't care what others say except when I'm playing with them. Similar to TSR and the various editions of AD&D. I still run a 1st eddition game, modified as I see fit, because that's my perogitive. If I was running a MW game, there would be no Clans, nor would there by items such as RACs. Some items, such as DHSs would exit, but would be rare/experimental. but that's fine, because it would be MY campaign.
Don't get me wrong. I understand fully that certian items (such as LAMs) are considered Level 3 and are not turniment (normaly) legal. That doesn't mean I have to agree with it.
Real mechwariors pilot IS mechs.
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