Karagin
11/13/02 02:39 PM
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AeroTech 2 Vessel Technical Readout
VALIDATED
Class/Model/Name: Acclamator Class Troopship
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3067
Vessel Type: WarShip
Rules: Level 2, Standard design
Rules Set: AeroTech2
Mass: 300,000 tons
Hull: Morning Star
K-F Drive System: Hal-Wentworth Drive
Length: 752 meters
Power Plant: Bangkock Standard
Safe Thrust: 4
Maximum Thrust: 6
Armor Type: Morning Star Heavy Lamellor Ferro-carbide
Armament:
8 NL55
80 ER Medium Laser
80 Small Laser
Manufacturer: Rothana Heavy Enginering
Location: Berst (LP)
Communications System: GalComp Long Range
Targeting & Tracking System: Falcon 12b Watcher
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==Overview:==
Built by the Landorf Protectorate during it's founding years, the Acclamator
Class Troopship has become a common site in to many in the Co-Alliance.
What was born out of a need to transport large numbers of troops for swift and
decisive assault, has become a true champion for the CAAF and it's struggle
against all who have tried to grind them under.
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Class/Model/Name: Acclamator Class Troopship
Mass: 300,000 tons
Equipment: Mass
Power Plant, Drive & Control: 72,000.00
Thrust: Safe Thrust: 4
Maximum Thrust: 6
Kearny-Fuchida Hyperdrive: Compact (Integrity = 7) 135,750.00
Lithium Fusion Battery 3,000.00
Jump Sail: No Sail (Fusion-Charged K-F) .00
Structural Integrity: 150 45,000.00
Total Heat Sinks: 580 Double 156.00
Fuel & Fuel Pumps: 5,100.00
Bridge, Controls, Radar, Computer & Attitude Thrusters: 750.00
Fire Control Computers: 896.00
Food & Water: (30 days supply) 4,282.25
Hyperpulse Generator: 50.00
Armor Type: Lamellor Ferro-carbide (990 total armor pts) 900.00
Capital Scale Armor Pts
Location: L / R
Fore: 181
Fore-Left/Right: 165/165
Aft-Left/Right: 165/165
Aft: 149
Cargo:
Bay 1: Small Craft (20) with 2 doors 4,000.00
Bay 2: Small Craft (20) with 2 doors 4,000.00
Bay 3: Cargo (20) with 2 doors 1,000.00
Bay 4: Small Craft (20) with 2 doors 4,000.00
Bay 5: Infantry (foot) Platoons (1000) 5,000.00
Bay 6: Cargo (1) 3,594.75
Crew and Passengers:
24 Officers (24 minimum) 240.00
88 Crew (81 minimum) 616.00
35 Gunners (35 minimum) 245.00
100 Marines 500.00
28,300 Bay Personnel .00
Weapons and Equipment Loc SRV MRV LRV ERV Heat Mass
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1 NL55 Nose 6 6 6 6 85 1,100.00
10 ER Medium Laser Nose 5(50) 5(50) -- -- 50 10.00
10 Small Laser Nose 3(30) -- -- -- 10 5.00
1 NL55 FL/R 6 6 6 6 170 2,200.00
10 ER Medium Laser FL/R 5(50) 5(50) -- -- 100 20.00
10 Small Laser FL/R 3(30) -- -- -- 20 10.00
1 NL55 L/RBS 6 6 6 6 170 2,200.00
10 ER Medium Laser L/RBS 5(50) 5(50) -- -- 100 20.00
10 Small Laser L/RBS 3(30) -- -- -- 20 10.00
1 NL55 AL/R 6 6 6 6 170 2,200.00
10 ER Medium Laser AL/R 5(50) 5(50) -- -- 100 20.00
10 Small Laser AL/R 3(30) -- -- -- 20 10.00
1 NL55 Aft 6 6 6 6 85 1,100.00
10 ER Medium Laser Aft 5(50) 5(50) -- -- 50 10.00
10 Small Laser Aft 3(30) -- -- -- 10 5.00
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TOTALS: Heat: 1,160 300,000.00
Tons Left: .00
Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 6,780,358,000 C-Bills
Battle Value: 39,713
Cost per BV: 170,733.97
Weapon Value: 36,796 (Ratio = .93)
Damage Factors: SRV = 990; MRV = 692; LRV = 318; ERV = 127
Maintenance: Maintenance Point Value (MPV) = 2,016,701
(193,696 Structure, 1,800,925 Life Support, 22,080 Weapons)
Support Points (SP) = 167,124 (8% of MPV)
BattleForce2: Not applicable
Note the small craft it carries are my version of the LAAT which is posted below.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Karagin
10/14/05 06:48 PM
24.243.178.223
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Okay back to the top.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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wolfcannon
10/14/05 07:43 PM
65.212.204.9
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uhhh wow that is a lot of infantry.
Clan Wolf in Exile
328th Assault Cluster(the Lion Hearted)
Bravo Trinary
Alpha Star
Star Captain James Sword
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Karagin
10/14/05 10:01 PM
24.243.178.223
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Yes...makes it interesting for the folks on the reciving end.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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wolfcannon
10/15/05 10:45 AM
65.212.204.9
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very nast suprise that is.
Clan Wolf in Exile
328th Assault Cluster(the Lion Hearted)
Bravo Trinary
Alpha Star
Star Captain James Sword
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LewsTherinTelamon
10/31/05 02:46 AM
204.113.19.8
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Someone has been watching a lot of Star Wars
LOL
Only the Insane have the strength to survive!!!
Only those that survive can truly judge what is sane..
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Karagin
10/31/05 07:55 PM
24.243.178.223
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More like reading Star Wars...
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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LewsTherinTelamon
10/31/05 09:05 PM
204.113.19.8
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Regardless well done that would really bite having one of those land next to your starport.
Only the Insane have the strength to survive!!!
Only those that survive can truly judge what is sane..
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Karagin
10/31/05 11:45 PM
24.243.178.223
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Thanks.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Auren_Shiro
11/01/05 02:26 PM
24.34.100.170
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'Nuff Infantry there Karagin? I think if one of those were blown out of the sky, or all the infantry were jumped by million-mile-a-minute Firestarters.
Nasty Invasion ship there, but if one of those were to get destroyed with a full complement of troops? What would the politcal ramifications be, besides a warship was just killed?
If you need a crew, get some Kuritans!
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Karagin
11/01/05 10:15 PM
24.243.178.223
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Well it depends...which nation state are you talking about? Or which setting...:D
Now if this was being manned by the WoB, then why would they even worry about ramifactions...after all no warships were lost, you must have gotten faulty HPG transmissions. 
Hey, if you are going to take a planet then you need ground troops. And it's not going to be a walk in the park. So here you get the whole kit and kaboodle in one package. Fire support (go DivArty) and maunver/holding units, what more is needed?
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Kanil
11/02/05 08:12 PM
69.171.193.112
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I'd bump the number up to 1008 platoons, gives you a nice even 9 Regiments...
"The better news is that we are outnumbered, four to one."
- Clanners, and their whacked view of the world.
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Karagin
11/02/05 08:56 PM
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It's an idea...
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Auren_Shiro
11/03/05 09:12 AM
24.34.100.170
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I understand that Infantry are the life-blood of the military, but I don't think that's accurately depicted in BT. Oh well.
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Karagin
11/03/05 09:29 PM
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I agree with you 100% on this topic...
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Silenced_Sonix
12/03/05 03:20 PM
168.209.97.42
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Well, look at it this way - this thing is not going to lead the invasion, is it? If it is a troop carrier, and fully loaded with that NASTY! complement of infantry and their support, you sure as hell will not have it running the gauntlet with planetary and orbital defenders. Unless you are totally friggered out of your mind... So yes, then WoB would probably do it.
Evolve or Die
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Cray
12/03/05 05:03 PM
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I agree with you 100% on this topic...
Freaky, I agree, too.
The lack of substantial numbers of Clan occupation troops has always been one of my biggest gripes about the Clan invasion. The invading Clans would have trouble mustering a few hundred warriors to occupy planets with billions of people. Heck, the entire Clan warrior caste (in the 3050s) was only 110,500 warriors. Care to compare that to any real world garrison forces? 
Mike Miller, Materials Engineer
Disclaimer: Anything stated in this post is unofficial and non-canon unless directly quoted from a published book. Random internet musings of a BattleTech writer are not canon.
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Karagin
12/03/05 07:12 PM
24.243.178.223
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Well the idea that a few units aka a lance or company can hold a planet has been with BT since it began...see the Grey Death Legion novels for more on this...
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Karagin
12/03/05 07:13 PM
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I could see these coming in with the main wave or right behind the wave of fighters and medium range ships that clear the defenders out of the way.
They then unload their cargo of infantry and support units and then provid firesupport if needed.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Cray
12/03/05 07:15 PM
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Well the idea that a few units aka a lance or company can hold a planet has been with BT since it began...see the Grey Death Legion novels for more on this...
Yeah, I know. But at least the Inner Sphere has the manpower for adequately sized garrison forces, so I can squint at the setting and ignore that. But the Clans can't even claim the necessary manpower.
Mike Miller, Materials Engineer
Disclaimer: Anything stated in this post is unofficial and non-canon unless directly quoted from a published book. Random internet musings of a BattleTech writer are not canon.
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Karagin
12/03/05 07:17 PM
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The Clans could have it setup that they use better tactics to control the populace so they don't need a hugh garassion...or maybe this is an issue that was never considered important by the former or current PTB.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Auren_Shiro
12/03/05 07:44 PM
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But look at it this way, the Clans aren't really being angry at the populace and having tatrums like Kuritans and Cappellans. (Freaking Asians!)
And besides, who the hell is going ot screw with the usual cluster of Second-Line Battlemechs, while second-line, and are just as angry as front-line Omnis.
Need...more...Nevcrack...
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Cray
12/03/05 08:20 PM
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But look at it this way, the Clans aren't really being angry at the populace and having tatrums like Kuritans and Cappellans. (Freaking Asians!)
That's not correct. I'd recommend reading the "Invading Clans SB" to see the atrocities committed by the Smoke Jaguars. They even managed to horrify the Kuritans with their callous extermination of whole neighborhoods to find one guerilla. The Ghost Bears had so much trouble holding onto the FRR that they had to threaten genocide to quiet the populous.
Further, the Lyran HB makes clear that some Clans (the Falcons in particular) like to force their caste system on the populous, which is guaranteed to make Spheroids unhappy.
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And besides, who the hell is going ot screw with the usual cluster of Second-Line Battlemechs, while second-line, and are just as angry as front-line Omnis.
So, in theory, if you just had some of the toughest tanks - or mechs - in the world, and needed to occupy a nation...sorry, a planet...with a population of 27 million, you wouldn't an occupation force of 150,000 troops, would you? Because the mechs are invincible and the civilians would never be able to generate 2000 fatalities among your force by (say) attacking the troops when they're outside their mechs, right?
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...or maybe this is an issue that was never considered important by the former or current PTB.
The current writers have sweated bullets over it but couldn't do much because the former writers embedded the idea of "1 lance to garrison a planet" idea too deeply into the setting.
Mike Miller, Materials Engineer
Disclaimer: Anything stated in this post is unofficial and non-canon unless directly quoted from a published book. Random internet musings of a BattleTech writer are not canon.
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Auren_Shiro
12/03/05 08:55 PM
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Thus, Battletech does not rely on infantry to hold a world.
I would rather have the clans have an infantry base, and I don't really know about what went on during the First Wave, just after it, The Refusal war, and the Ghost Bear Rehabitation Project.
Need...more...Nevcrack...
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Karagin
12/03/05 08:58 PM
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They do, it's call the Sholma troops and it wouldn't be to hard to believe that some of the Clans wouldn't be using the folks on the planet they took to defend it as well. I can see the Bears doing this as well as the Ravens with their future move into the Outworlds Alliance.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Cray
12/03/05 09:27 PM
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They do, it's call the Sholma troops
Those are counted toward the 110,500 figure I mentioned earlier, as are Clan police officers.
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and it wouldn't be to hard to believe that some of the Clans wouldn't be using the folks on the planet they took to defend it as well. I can see the Bears doing this as well as the Ravens with their future move into the Outworlds Alliance.
Indeed. The Bears got pretty damned smart about making the locals happy. The Ghost Bear Dominion trick was genius.
Mike Miller, Materials Engineer
Disclaimer: Anything stated in this post is unofficial and non-canon unless directly quoted from a published book. Random internet musings of a BattleTech writer are not canon.
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Auren_Shiro
12/03/05 10:15 PM
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As far as I know, Solhama infantry are cannon-fodder. See Jade Phoenix Trilogy.
Need...more...Nevcrack...
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Cray
12/03/05 10:28 PM
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As far as I know, Solhama infantry are cannon-fodder. See Jade Phoenix Trilogy.
They are cannonfodder, which is one of many crimes in the Clan culture. But they can be used as garrison troops like Karagin pointed out.
Mike Miller, Materials Engineer
Disclaimer: Anything stated in this post is unofficial and non-canon unless directly quoted from a published book. Random internet musings of a BattleTech writer are not canon.
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Toontje
12/06/05 01:40 PM
84.24.165.226
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Collaborators!
The key stone in any occupation. And propaganda, tho both sides can use that tool.
Rather to blow up, then.
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