Newtype
04/14/09 02:12 PM
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Lefric, you're jealous that I'm winning this LAMs topic.
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GiovanniBlasini
04/14/09 03:07 PM
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Prince of Darkness, how would you defeat the Balancer LAM I designed?
Saturation bombardment of the area from orbit with capital energy batteries. If I'm feeling particularly nasty, I'll make sure to throw in some Santa Anas. What LAM? Hell, what terrain features?
And, yes, folks, I've actually done something similar in a large game before - it's one of my standard responses to munchkinism.
In the FGC '48 game on Classic Battletech a few years back, when I was helping run the Snow Ravens, I jumped in on the Star Adders and challenged them to a Trial of Possession for their McKenna class battleship, the Soverign Right. They responded with around 215,000 BV worth of Elementals, in an underground factory, and said, "I hope you brought ground troops." I replied with "Why?", used my McKenna to conduct continual orbital bombardment until I collapsed all the tunnels, and said, "You chose poorly. Thanks for the battleship."
Member of the Pundit Caste
"Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We're evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that." -- Col. Saul Tigh, BSG2003
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adamwehn
04/14/09 03:24 PM
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Prince of Darkness, how would you defeat the Balancer LAM I designed?
Saturation bombardment of the area from orbit with capital energy batteries. If I'm feeling particularly nasty, I'll make sure to throw in some Santa Anas. What LAM? Hell, what terrain features?
And, yes, folks, I've actually done something similar in a large game before - it's one of my standard responses to munchkinism.
In the FGC '48 game on Classic Battletech a few years back, when I was helping run the Snow Ravens, I jumped in on the Star Adders and challenged them to a Trial of Possession for their McKenna class battleship, the Soverign Right. They responded with around 215,000 BV worth of Elementals, in an underground factory, and said, "I hope you brought ground troops." I replied with "Why?", used my McKenna to conduct continual orbital bombardment until I collapsed all the tunnels, and said, "You chose poorly. Thanks for the battleship."
Me likes dis story!
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Lefric
04/14/09 04:40 PM
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Lefric, you're jealous that I'm winning this LAMs topic.
No, I'm "jealous" that an f'ing douchebag like yourself gets all the attention on this board, and not real battletech topics. I'm "jealous" of the fact that I can't live in a crack-induced stupor like you, but must exist in the real world.
And I'm "jealous" that I've gone and lowered myself to your level, which is the only thing I really care about, and that just pisses me off even more.
"We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence upon those who would do us harm." -George Orwell
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Zandel_Corrin
04/14/09 07:47 PM
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Hey newtype. Why is it that you can win every game with your own rules but if you play by tournament rules you loose every time?
Galaxy Commander
Zandel Corrin
Night Dragon Clan
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Prince_of_Darkness
04/14/09 08:56 PM
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Prince of Darkness, how would you defeat the Balancer LAM I designed?
Saturation bombardment of the area from orbit with capital energy batteries. If I'm feeling particularly nasty, I'll make sure to throw in some Santa Anas. What LAM? Hell, what terrain features?
And, yes, folks, I've actually done something similar in a large game before - it's one of my standard responses to munchkinism.
In the FGC '48 game on Classic Battletech a few years back, when I was helping run the Snow Ravens, I jumped in on the Star Adders and challenged them to a Trial of Possession for their McKenna class battleship, the Soverign Right. They responded with around 215,000 BV worth of Elementals, in an underground factory, and said, "I hope you brought ground troops." I replied with "Why?", used my McKenna to conduct continual orbital bombardment until I collapsed all the tunnels, and said, "You chose poorly. Thanks for the battleship."
Yeah, what he said.
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Christopher_Perkins
04/14/09 09:30 PM
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And the salvage and repair rules in BMRR were CRAP. If they were at least good rules that covered at least most possible salvage and repair situations then that would be ok but they just plain sucked.
I'd like to see some DETAILED salvage and repair rules but you don't see me posting masses and masses or useless crap arguments about them do you?
The Most Detailed Salvage. Repair and Customization rules were published in Mechwarrior 1st Edition... the BattleTech ones, (even from Strategic Operations Manual) are so incomplete that they better serve as a suppliment to Mechwarrior 1st editions Rules than they serve as stand alones...
Note, it takes going back to te Combat Equipment Guide to figure out that if you have all the Tool Kits and Repair Equipment (including the Repair Platform) listed in Mechwarrior 1st Edition you get the Mobile Field Base modifier... THAT is how incomplete the background information for the Strategic Operations rules Customization, Salvage and Repair rules are
Hopefully they decide to reverse themselves and include a more detailed (RPG Style detailed, not BattleTech Style sketched out) work up in "A Time Of War"
Christopher Robin Perkins
It is my opinion that all statements should be questioned, digested, disected, tasted, and then either spit out or adopted... RHIP is not a god given shield
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Christopher_Perkins
04/14/09 09:35 PM
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You, Christopher Perkins, are just jealous that a Balancer LAM can pretty much defeat any other unit in one unit vs. one unit combat.
have you tried going against a LB-X Rifleman using the Advanced Rules Anti-Air Targetins Systems?
One things that munchkins LOVE to forget is regular LB-X cluster shots get a -3 modifier against Jump-Gliding AirMechs (anyting over a 1x jump), Flying VTOLs Flying Fighters and other Flying AeroTech 2 Units.
and that part about the LB-X is IIRC right in Total Warfare, so you cannot "i forgot" out of THOSE rules
Christopher Robin Perkins
It is my opinion that all statements should be questioned, digested, disected, tasted, and then either spit out or adopted... RHIP is not a god given shield
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His_Most_Royal_Highass_Donkey
04/15/09 12:39 AM
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How is my equipment stupid? Only the jealous who lose in CBT combat complain about munchkin designs.
Whatever munchkin. *sends you to the land of Oz*
I don't thing we want to make an enemy of the people in Australia. How about sending him into the sun. The sun might be bigger than newtype's ego.
Hay, I said might!
Why argue if the glass is half full or half empty, when you know someone is going to knock it over and spill it anyways.
I was a Major *pain* before
But I got a promotion.
I am now a General *pain*
Yay for promotions!!!
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04/15/09 05:58 PM
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Newtype
04/17/09 02:24 PM
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Saturation bombardment of the area from orbit with capital energy batteries. If I'm feeling particularly nasty, I'll make sure to throw in some Santa Anas. What LAM? Hell, what terrain features?
Remember, I don't have to land (be on a ground hex) to be hit by bombardment. I've calculated that improved version of Balancer LAM to be about 700 BV. That includes Piloting 0, Gunnery 0. What's your BV, GiovanniBlasini?
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Hey newtype. Why is it that you can win every game with your own rules but if you play by tournament rules you loose every time?
Actually I haven't lost "every time" by playing with tournament rules. I defeated Turkina11@aol.com when he went up against my Mole Assault Tank. He retreated. In another one vs. one combat I did lose to SilentHarbinger@aol.com. Furthermore, I'm not using my rules to give me advantages; actually my rules place restrictions on my Balancer LAM.
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have you tried going against a LB-X Rifleman using the Advanced Rules Anti-Air Targetins Systems? One things that munchkins LOVE to forget is regular LB-X cluster shots get a -3 modifier against Jump-Gliding AirMechs (anyting over a 1x jump), Flying VTOLs Flying Fighters and other Flying AeroTech 2 Units. and that part about the LB-X is IIRC right in Total Warfare, so you cannot "i forgot" out of THOSE rules
I'm not afraid of such a unit. It's +35 to-hit my improved Balancer LAM at extreme range. That's using a Gunnery base to-hit number of 0. So,
-2 weapon specialist in LB-XAC
-2 bracing
-3 three turns careful aim
-2 anti-aircraft targeting
-1 long range targeting
-1 good at long range combat field manual special ability
-10 (-2 flak, -1 cluster, -2 precision, -5 proximity fused ammo)
-21 total to-hit modifier
+14 final to-hit number (+35 plus -21=+14)
I gave you special ammo and let you use both long range and anti-aircraft targeting; you still can't hit my Balancer LAM.
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Prince_of_Darkness
04/18/09 01:54 AM
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His_Most_Royal_Highass_Donkey
04/18/09 12:15 PM
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PoD that is the first time I saw newtype's name and liked what I saw. Who could hate a photo of a cute puppy and hate it!?!
Why argue if the glass is half full or half empty, when you know someone is going to knock it over and spill it anyways.
I was a Major *pain* before
But I got a promotion.
I am now a General *pain*
Yay for promotions!!!
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Prince_of_Darkness
04/18/09 04:19 PM
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I don't care if the rest of /b/ doesn't like Advicedog. Puppies make everything better.
Plus, this thread wasn't good enough for...CourageWolf.
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GiovanniBlasini
04/20/09 01:34 AM
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Saturation bombardment of the area from orbit with capital energy batteries. If I'm feeling particularly nasty, I'll make sure to throw in some Santa Anas. What LAM? Hell, what terrain features?
Remember, I don't have to land (be on a ground hex) to be hit by bombardment.
You're right, you don't have to land to be hit by bombardment. If you're in the blast radius, you're in the blast radius.
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I've calculated that improved version of Balancer LAM to be about 700 BV.
Then your math skills suck horribly.
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That includes Piloting 0, Gunnery 0. What's your BV, GiovanniBlasini?
Considering you've thrown BV out the window by using a false BV, who cares?
Member of the Pundit Caste
"Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We're evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that." -- Col. Saul Tigh, BSG2003
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Newtype
04/21/09 11:48 AM
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You're right, you don't have to land to be hit by bombardment. If you're in the blast radius, you're in the blast radius.
Again, what's the BV for your the unit you're using and how did you calculate that BV?
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Then your math skills suck horribly.
You're correct: my previous formula was too high, which would have put me at an unfair disadvantage had my Balancer LAM been combatting your unit.
This formula is more accurate; it indicates that my updated Balancer LAM has a BV of about 378:
http://www.sarna.net/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/142766/page/0/fpart/2/vc/1
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Considering you've thrown BV out the window by using a false BV, who cares?
Again, I used a more accurate formula.
Each of you should realize that I'm not responsible for your ineptuous combat behavior. If you can't design a unit that can defeat my updated Balancer LAM in a reasonably fair one unit vs. one unit
BV combat, then that's your fault instead of being my fault.
Edited by Newtype (04/21/09 12:08 PM)
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His_Most_Royal_Highass_Donkey
04/21/09 12:26 PM
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then that's your fault instead of being my fault.
No, you continuing being a moron IS your fault.
Why argue if the glass is half full or half empty, when you know someone is going to knock it over and spill it anyways.
I was a Major *pain* before
But I got a promotion.
I am now a General *pain*
Yay for promotions!!!
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Newtype
04/21/09 12:28 PM
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No, you continuing being a moron IS your fault.
Put up or shut up. Design a unit that can defeat my updated improved Balancer LAM in a one unit vs. one unit reasonably equal BV combat or admit you're not credible.
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His_Most_Royal_Highass_Donkey
04/21/09 12:40 PM
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No, you continuing being a moron IS your fault.
Put up or shut up. Design a unit that can defeat my updated improved Balancer LAM in a one unit vs. one unit reasonably equal BV combat or admit you're not credible.
Why would I want to think of competing ageist someone that needs to cheat? You cheat because you can't win any other way.
Why argue if the glass is half full or half empty, when you know someone is going to knock it over and spill it anyways.
I was a Major *pain* before
But I got a promotion.
I am now a General *pain*
Yay for promotions!!!
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Newtype
04/21/09 12:44 PM
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Why would I want to think of competing ageist someone that needs to cheat? You cheat because you can't win any other way.
Put up or shut up. What would I do that would be cheating?
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His_Most_Royal_Highass_Donkey
04/21/09 12:52 PM
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I am sure that in your own... mind?... Making up your own rules is not cheating.
Why argue if the glass is half full or half empty, when you know someone is going to knock it over and spill it anyways.
I was a Major *pain* before
But I got a promotion.
I am now a General *pain*
Yay for promotions!!!
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Newtype
04/21/09 01:07 PM
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I am sure that in your own... mind?... Making up your own rules is not cheating.
The rules I make up would be BV calculated, i.e, jet boosters on my Balancer to make evasive movement while shooting a pulse laser at your unit and jet boosters have a mass equal to engine rating divided by 100, conversion equipment takes up five slots (one per side torso, one per arm, one per center torso or head), combustion chambers for fuel thrust movement are symmetrically positioned and take up a number of critical slots equal to engine rating divided by 100 in legs, center torso, and/or side torsos, jumpgliding/flying in AirMech mode due to standard jump jets creates one heat point per 3 hexes moved (round up), gyro is not in this LAM (components are symmetrically tonnaged balanced), LAM has +2 modifier applied to all DFA attacks done while in AirMech mode, LAM has +2 modifier applied to all Determining Critical Hits Table rolls (I'd probably have it stay in AirMech mode).
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Prince_of_Darkness
04/21/09 01:12 PM
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Put up or shut up. Design a unit that can defeat my updated improved Balancer LAM in a one unit vs. one unit reasonably equal BV combat or admit you're not credible.
Dick Cheney.
There, I win.
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Newtype
04/21/09 01:15 PM
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And if I donated alot of money to Barack Obama to have him be the pilot of a Balancer LAM, do you still think your "Dick Cheney unit" could win?
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Prince_of_Darkness
04/21/09 03:19 PM
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And if I donated alot of money to Barack Obama to have him be the pilot of a Balancer LAM, do you still think your "Dick Cheney unit" could win?
Nope. It still would.
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Newtype
04/23/09 08:02 PM
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Nope. It still would.
Put up or shut up. Thoroughly explain or admit you're not credible. And let's say this infantry person you're proposing to deploy "would" defeat my Balancer - I'd say that's credible enough evidence to indicate that this Balancer LAM wouldn't be very munchy and should be tournament legal after all.
Also, perhaps an AirMech using standard jump jets to jumpglide with wouldn't generate heat. The Kanga ICE hovercraft is equipped with jump jets and they don't give off heat, so the Balancer's standard jump jets (when in AirMech mode) shouldn't give off heat either. That would enable the Balancer to use an XXL 300 fusion engine instead of an XL 300 fusion engine. That could enable it to mount an second pair of jet boosters for a second bunch of evasive movement points (a pair of jet boosters could be put in each of the Balancer's arms) - that increases the final to-hit number to about +41. I'll have to recalculate the BV for this new improved Balancer LAM.
edited part: BV calculated it's about 844.
http://www.sarna.net/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/154626/Main/142766/#Post154626
How about a +1 Piloting Skill Roll modifier for every 15 points of damage taken while in AirMech mode and a +1 Piloting Skill Roll modifier for every 15 points of damage taken while in aerofighter mode?
Edited by Newtype (04/23/09 09:05 PM)
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MaiShirunaiispretty
04/23/09 09:01 PM
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Newtype, a burst fire of LB-XAC shots, like pulse laser -2 to-hit modifier, would reduce that "final" to-hit number down to +39. Perhaps Cray could enlighten us on proximity fused ammo and the type of to-hit modifier it would theoretically have in CBT games.
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Whenever you show up, Chip, and find a little bit of disagreement with your posts, you start creating new accounts to argue more than one side of the story. Its happened over and over, and by now the pattern is extremely obvious.
"More than one side of the story", eh, Cray? So does that mean that since LAM rules won't be published in Total Warfare according to you whereas according to Newtype they should be published in Total Warfare? So which position is having LAM rules published in Tactical Operations - one that resembles what you're saying, Cray, or one that resembles what Newtype is saying? By the way, please call me Ryan Cole, ask Rick Raisley if he still remembers me or have him do a topic search on his Heavy Metal forums for my loginname there; I've purchased HM programs from him.
Wow, those bracing maneuvers sure do come in handy when firing proximity fused precision cluster flak ammo at a Balancer LAM. Unfortunately they make my 'Mech an immobile target for that LAM. Oh well, at least I'm getting partial cover.
Edited by MaiShirunaiispretty (04/23/09 09:15 PM)
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Newtype
04/23/09 09:20 PM
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Cray, I'm the same Newtype on www.physicsforums.com and www.GreenPartyCentral.tk . I haven't created new accounts.
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Prince_of_Darkness
04/23/09 11:06 PM
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Prince of Darkness, in all of his unholy glory said:
Nope. It still would.
Newtype, Prince's lap-dog, said:
Put up or shut up. GIMMICKS ARE DUMB, I SHOULD BE BANNED.
Spellcheck, motherfu*ker, have you heard of it?
Grammar issues aside, I think you forget about Dick's ole' unholy power I had given him awhile back at the cost of his heath. See, making people believe that he was innocent even when he fired upon his own friend (just to let you all know: it was not by accident!) was just a tiny fraction of his power. In battlemech form, this equates to a -30 on his to-hit rolls; the powers that I have gifted him include things that one would normally see in a friendly game of Warhammer 40,000, such as Unholy sight, invulnerability to fire, ect. Not to mention that his constant "quail" hunting makes him quite the expert in any form of shotgun (he's a -4, instead of -2) and the fact that his 'mech mounts, as it's main armament, a dual punch of Clan LB-10X autocannon; of which, carry 30 rounds of shared cluster ammo and targeting-computer controlled (-2).
Even with *just* a -36, he could easily enact the chains of torment and corruption abilities upon you, bringing that -36 over a -40. And when he does, he'll do what we all do;
He'll do the mash, he'll do the monster mash.
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GiovanniBlasini
04/25/09 05:31 AM
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Nope. It still would.
Put up or shut up. Thoroughly explain or admit you're not credible. And let's say this infantry person you're proposing to deploy "would" defeat my Balancer - I'd say that's credible enough evidence to indicate that this Balancer LAM wouldn't be very munchy and should be tournament legal after all.
Your Balancer LAM is not a legal Battletech unit, and is therefore irrelevant. You can discuss it all you like, but, given it's not legal in the first place, it's not germane to the discussion.
Member of the Pundit Caste
"Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We're evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that." -- Col. Saul Tigh, BSG2003
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