ghostrider
02/05/20 12:19 PM
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Not sure what the radiation limits are on a fighter, so really can't say. They do have some to deal with such issues.
Did you see any Samurai in the U.S. military as they were doing so in WWII? And I guess that means Myra was a samurai as she took her fighting into the Wolf ship. No one but samurai would take their own life by ramming into another unit. Misconception of the way of bushido? Others can't follow it be the samurai?
And kamikaze is not just for the Japanese warriors.
Logically it doesn't make sense at all for your first action is to die ramming an enemy unit. As said before, if this is your only tactic, then you should fill up your craft with explosives before you go out after them. And it is a waste of troops and equipment. Not saying honor bound warriors wouldn't consider it, but not as a first tactic.
Bombs can be made to any size. A warhead on a missile is normally smaller then a bomb. The one thing that may not be better is possible armor penetration. But then a piloted ship could well find weak points, such as cargo bay doors and ram them.
I would like to know what ship based ecm has to do with a cockpit attached to a missile frame so the pilot guides it into the target. Not reading it all? Skimming thru the posts is showing up as not comprehending things.
You are pushing for your warriors to commit suicide in their attacks, yet they are all volunteers? Will you be the one leading the charge? Or hiding several hundred light years in the bar at HQ?
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Requiem
02/05/20 06:29 PM
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They do have some to deal with such issues.
Open Cockpit?
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Did you see any Samurai in the U.S. military as they were doing so in WWII?
Nisei – 442nd Infantry Regimental Combat Team WW2 – Go For Broke!
Considered to be the most decorated infantry regiment in the history of the United States Army.
Eight Presidential Unit Citations; Twenty-One Medals of Honor Recipients
Refer – Go For Broke! (1951 film) directed by Robert Pirosh.
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And I guess that means Myra was a samurai as she took her fighting into the Wolf ship.
Myra? …..Tyra Miraborg …. On the final attack run her fighter was severely damaged … did she have control of the craft or was it locked on course with no hope of maneuvering it? ….. did she know the damage was so severe that no matter what she had only seconds left, so suicide was more preferable by spitting in the eye of your executioner as it was?
There is a massive difference here … Tyra never went out with the intention of dying for her realm hers was suicide …. Samurai (Kamikaze) however do go out into the void with the intention of dying for their Coordinator and their Realm!
So in this case she can-not be considered to be Kamikaze.
I implore you again – please, read the google wiki on Kamikaze.
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Logically it doesn't make sense at all for your first action is to die ramming an enemy unit.
As stated previously – for the most part western logic doesn’t come into it! … the only thing that does is Martyrdom.
Question: Assumption - You are a General within the DCMS – Turtle Bay has just occurred in which the Coodinator’s son was successfully saved - and you have just now been called before the Cooradinator (and his father) to table a report upon an appropriate response ….
Target: Clan Warships.
What are you going say to them?
<you do not have any warships and Drop-ships are just massive targets that can be swatted from the ‘sky’ with impunity (and even if you did go down this path you are not allowed to retrofit them with Naval Weapons)>
So, what are the options you present to them?
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Not saying honor bound warriors wouldn't consider it, but not as a first tactic.
And what about the zealots within the DCMS?
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Bombs can be made to any size. A warhead on a missile is normally smaller then a bomb. The one thing that may not be better is possible armor penetration.
Errrr…nuclear warhead ….. why do you need armor penetration?
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I would like to know what ship based ecm has to do with a cockpit attached to a missile frame so the pilot guides it into the target. Not reading it all? Skimming thru the posts is showing up as not comprehending things.
Please make reference to the original quote:-
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Reference Ghostrider Post 02/05/20 02:07AM “Hell just put a cockpit with some sensors on a frame and become a guided missile, if you really want to use suicide units.”
A sensor “guided missile” does not equate to a “…. cockpit attached to a missile frame so the pilot guides it”!
So, what happens to sensors when it hits an ECM field? Do the sensors stop working causing the missile to veer off it trajectory, thus keeping the ship safe?
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You are pushing for your warriors to commit suicide in their attacks, yet they are all volunteers?
I implore you again – please, read the google wiki on Kamikaze.
Yes they are Volunteers.
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Will you be the one leading the charge? Or hiding several hundred light years in the bar at HQ?
First, I am not a Samurai and I do not, and have never, fought for the DCMS.
Second, if my character was a zealot Samurai within the DCMS – and being an aerospace pilot – yes, I would seriously consider volunteering my character.
Also – the DCMS don’t have a bar par say – drinking is an obligation, look into nomikai and izakaya etc. ….
The Japanese Salaryman - http://www.worldhum.com/features/how-to/how-to-drink-like-a-japanese-salaryman-20101118/
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ghostrider
02/05/20 10:38 PM
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Why bother using an expensive fighter, when something like a shuttle would do the job, and pack more ordinance?
Make a specially built one that has a fast move, and just enough armor to survive until you hit the ship.
And Samurais do NOT go out intending on dying for the hell of it. They will face overwhelming odds, but don't go, 'well. I am going to kill myself today.' And if you order them do just go and die, you will lose their loyalty.
By your idea of martyrdom, that would mean all land forces would just rush the enemy and explode bombs as they got in contact with them. Why restrict it to space?
I said strap a cockpit on what is basically a guided missile, and your response was how would that work with a warships ecm being used. Not sure how that was misunderstood.
Wow. A cockpit should imply a human piloting it. Hence the pilot rides the missile in, being the guidance system. The sensors is only to make sure you know your target. You don't want to find out the hard way, you got turned around and hit your own ships. That is a guided missile here. Human riding it in.
Consider volunteering. All pilots are volunteers. Not sure how that would fill up a Vengeance carrier full of suicide fighters, as I don't really think anyone volunteers for such a duty before hand. They seem to be spur of the moment, as they realize all is lost, and have nothing left to lose.
And wikis are the same thing as some news casts. They got modified by those that have no idea of what they are talking about and edited to slant information to the way the writer wants it. The U.S. had suicide runs on Japanese ships before the Japanese started doing it in WWII. Propaganda? I can say the same thing about who said otherwise. Welding a pilot into a plane, and having that pilot rescued saying they had no choice does not sound like a volunteer.
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Requiem
08/12/22 03:46 AM
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Whilst Katrina Steiner was on the run with Arthur Luvon and Morgan Kell, as the Red Corsair, they rediscovered the K-series transmitter (The Black Box). Apparently they were in the Periphery when they would discover the lostech under ‘undisclosed circumstances’ at an undisclosed location.
This beggars the question as to when Katrina becomes Archon – wouldn’t she dispatch a unit to undertake a detailed excavation of the site in order to determine if there is any additional lostech hidden there?
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Pht
08/15/22 07:01 PM
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Um:
https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Operation_HOLY_SHROUD
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Requiem
08/15/22 11:42 PM
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Can you please explain how a lost Star League Defence Force Facility, that was never found during the time of Operation Holy Shroud (way in the past), and was discovered by Katrina et al – stopped an expeditionary group being sent to investigate the facility or became aware of the facility and raced them to the base – then conducted their own dig and were able to leave with no trace of them being there to start with?
Just remember in doing any dig you are going to disrupt the soil strata levels that form over time – so even if ComStar did perform the dig first any archaeologist will know instantly that the site has been excavated recently.
Also if Katrina was proactive about this dig – what is the chance ComStar was fond there performing the dig if they ran ahead?
And again – please explain how ComStar was able to remove all knowledge from all home libraries (especially intellectuals), schools and Universities on every world, Businesses (own training facilities), Military Academies on every developed world etc ….
Sorry but this is an impossibility … Also how many sites are buried and contain lost treasures (As Snord proved that there are still many out there!) hat ComStar never found.
Also every country has its own “Congressional library” so can anyone explain how these libraries on every Capitol world were destroyed?
Get thee to Coventry … Now is the winter of our discontent, made glorious by this daughter of Tharkad … Our army shall march through. Well to New Avalon tonight.
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ghostrider
08/16/22 10:56 AM
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No one said Katrina dug up an entire campus. It is more likely that as they were looking for shelter, they found a way into some ruins, where they discovered the black boxes. It is very possible that they were in an old vault that was partially destroyed. It is also possible nothing else of value remained, which is why they never went back.
Given the destruction of the 1st and 2nd wars, and the fact that even today, most documents are being done on computer hard drives, this is what happened in the future. Sensitive information is normally kept in very specific, and tight security locations, meaning you public library is not going to have access to that information.
Funny thing about Snord. He did NOT just find the locations, He was proved them from the clan archives. That was part of the Dragoons mission, Find and secure the SL bases. So he did not prove anything.
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Requiem
08/16/22 06:01 PM
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It is very possible that they were in an old vault that was partially destroyed. It is also possible nothing else of value remained, which is why they never went back.
How can anyone say that ‘nothing else of value remained’ without conducting an extensive dig to determine the veracity of the statement?
Consider the size of most Castle Brian’s https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Castle_Brian
If all was found was one section there is a vast additional amount to search.
The unknown needs to be investigated – if Black boxes remain who knows what else there is to find.
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Sensitive information is normally kept in very specific, and tight security locations, meaning you public library is not going to have access to that information.
And what of the textbook used to educate a university student – as apparently all of these are missing and at the same time from every world within the IS – and this information is the foundation upon which all sensitive information has been derived!.
Also isn’t sensitive information usually held in sensitive vaults and upon highly secured worlds – and their location are known only to the Government. So are you saying that the map to all these sensitive sites was lost and no one went looking to find them over the past few centuries?
Also shouldn’t there be a master copy of this information upon every capitol world - within a secure vault – and again known only to the Government of the Day – so again how did they all loose this information at exactly the same time?
Sorry but once more reality and common sense have lost the plot.
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He did NOT just find the locations, He was proved them from the clan archives.
And what of the House Archives? Wouldn’t they also have locations of cities – also consider what was found – artwork, jewellery etc How are the Clan Archives so specific?
Wouldn’t a House maintain their own national library of congress that contains detailed papers from their worlds as what is happening – that could also then be used to find lost artifacts?
The answer is yes – so what his proves is that Snord used his copies to find artifacts – so why can’t the Houses use the same technique? – use their documents from the past to find lost artifacts also?
The answer is yes, they can use the same technique – so if they can then why not as who knows what they may find?
Also this makes for the basis of an excellent game within the IS setting.
Get thee to Coventry … Now is the winter of our discontent, made glorious by this daughter of Tharkad … Our army shall march through. Well to New Avalon tonight.
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ghostrider
08/16/22 07:02 PM
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It may well be the facility was picked over and the only reason the vault was left was it being uncovered by a land slide. Or it was the only thing left of the complex, after being wiped off the face of the world. It could well have been picked clean during the 1st war, and no one knew the fax machines were anything more then fax machines.
And it may have been nothing more then a warehouse that had them stashed in, not a full complex. Not everything is stored in the huge complexes. A small research station could suffice in the location of them as well.
Student text books that have top secret information in them, is NOT going to be put in a public library or even school. They would be kept for private schools, which might explain why a lot of tech was lost. One place of higher education might be the only place to learn how to make the ERPPC, or the XL fusion engines. And those would be kept to specific worlds as well, as those that have that tech are NOT going to be handing it out to everyone asking for it.
Once the tech starts being targeted, it makes those that have it even more unlikely to share it with others.
Out of all the raids and such done during the wars, even Defiance has had a few successful commando style raids hit it. Also, the description says some of the building lines were destroyed in different battles. That could well mean the areas this information was stored at.
You really asked: And what of the House Archives?
What good is having secret SL bases if the house archives had them in there? Do you think this is not the first place that would be attacked by multitudes of viruses and burning to remove any information they might have? Why didn't the houses know of Comstar's hidden worlds? And yet the constant bombarding of having secret bases comes from the same person who has to ask this? And does this mean they have the locations of those built in other nations?
Think before responding.
Again, so you understand the question and responce.
What good is having secret SL bases if the house archives had them in there?
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Requiem
08/16/22 09:36 PM
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It could well have been …
And yet no one will know unless an expedition is sent to undertake a complete and thorough excavation.
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Student text books that have top secret information in them …
And now we have left the realm of reality …
University books are the foundation of knowledge from which students become engineers and scientists etc. – and from which their future R&D will once more unlock knowledge that was lost …
Or isn’t the concept of education a factor any more?
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What good is having secret SL bases if the house archives had them in there?
You do realise that this does not make any sense whatsoever?
What is the point of housing Secret HOUSE documents within an SL facility? They would be stored in secret HOUSE facilities upon their key worlds – including their capitol world.
Also wouldn’t these facilities be within Tesla Cages and also air-gapped?
So no virus …
Also where is the information that every capitol world was obliterated during the succession wars thus making these archive facilities destroyed beyond recovery?
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Why didn't the houses know of Comstar's hidden worlds?
And at the same time why didn’t ComStar know of all the Houses hidden worlds – be realistic if ComStar can have hidden worlds then it is a given that the IS Houses would also have their own at the same time – especially when you consider the idea of warship production within secret shipyards or secret Mech facilities …
RWR and Amaris got away with it for decades so why not all the other Houses?
So again Think before responding, so that you understand the question and response!
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What good is having secret SL bases if the house archives had them in there?
Really? So has America transferred all their secret documents to NATO HQ for safe keeping lately – as this is what is being suggested here!
Get thee to Coventry … Now is the winter of our discontent, made glorious by this daughter of Tharkad … Our army shall march through. Well to New Avalon tonight.
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ghostrider
08/16/22 10:12 PM
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Do you know the difference between SL locations and unknown locations?
It is so simple, even someone looking for gotcha questions can figure it out.
Known locations have been raided already. Like has been done since the SLDF left the IS.
The unknown locations are those still holding items and secrets.
And yet with all the supposed great information coming out, the concept that the base was already raided, or found by someone else and couldn't get back to finish looting it all, is a valid concept? The 'base' may well have been a crashed or abandoned ship as well. Oh, but since the great writer didn't think of it, therefore it can't be possible.
So reality is left out? When you suggest that top secret information is found in universities and such, then you are correct. Reality is gone from your responses anymore. The more you post, the more wild the responses are, and get further from reality.
Case in point....
What is the point of housing Secret HOUSE documents within an SL facility? They would be stored in secret HOUSE facilities upon their key worlds – including their capitol world.
This can in response to What good is having secret SL bases if the house archives had them in there?
The capital world of the SL is Terra. Imagine trying to explain why the houses have not searched Terra for all of the SLDF secrets located there. Reality here?
Do you honestly think those KNOWN SL bases weren't raided, or destroyed in the 1st war? That the houses that got the worlds from the TH didn't scour them?
Viruses can be put into a system directly, meaning say ROM agents destroying the data so no one else could get them. And they may well have ways to contact them. Special frequencies and codes to activate the systems come to mind. Windows can be turned on remotely, meaning your PC can be used by someone you don't know.
Because the other houses were being watched closely? Because the inspectors didn't ignore unauthorized building of things like warship facilities? The fact that most of the other houses were keeping things above the board for the most part?
And the BIG answer to why the RWR got away with it, is because that is how the STORY WAS SUPPOSED TO GO.
Without this plot armor, the RWR would have been destroyed and the Amaris war would not have happened.
Comstar's hidden worlds were not hidden, so much as erased from nav computers. The houses knew they existed, but didn't know they were not glowing balls of space dust. Since the system was not inhabited, no one would travel thru them unless absolutely necessary, and even then, would not try to explore anything. It is also possible that any jumpship that did end up there was blown apart by Comstar to keep the system quiet. But again, the lack of thought shows thru.
Do you bother actually reading anything? I mean actually comprehend what is being said, and not your made up fantasy of what is there? Too many gotcha tries and still showing that the only thing you can do is try to start arguments.
What good is having secret SL bases if the house archives had them in there?
Really? So has America transferred all their secret documents to NATO HQ for safe keeping lately – as this is what is being suggested here!
Losing grip on reality? How is asking what good is having a secret base if everyone knows exactly were it is at, come even close to transferring all the secret documents to other nations?
It should be so very obvious that having secrets in an unknown base that everyone knows about is beyond stupid. Now just because you keep suggesting that secret information should be spread around to every city on every world to prevent the loss of it, shows why you don't comprehend that.
Just realized you don't understand why you would put some sensors on a unit with a cockpit in order for the pilot to guide it into the enemy. Maybe because when you launch at several thousand KM, you need something to show you where to fly to, especially if the target moves.
This is also important when there are other targets around, and you are looking for a specific one. This is not on remote control, but the pilot flying the explosive ladened missile, so ecm would not prevent them from seeing what is there. Part of why a pilot is being used.
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Requiem
08/17/22 01:46 AM
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No, do you know the difference between SL locations and unknown locations? … Known locations have been raided already.
And locations containing artifacts that have yet to be looted – are unknown locations – and yet when Katrina Steiner, Arthur Luvon and Morgen Kell find the location it suddenly becomes known to the ‘Red Corsair’ only - so when she sends an expeditionary force to excavate the site all unknown artifacts become the property of the LA.
Is this too difficult to understand?
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When you suggest that top secret information is found in universities
“University books are the foundation of knowledge from which students become engineers and scientists etc. – and from which their future R&D will once more unlock knowledge that was lost …”
Comprehension of the English language … can you please point out where the concept “top secret information” is contained within this statement.
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Imagine trying to explain why the houses have not searched Terra for all of the SLDF secrets located there.
Could it be due to the fact that during the Amaris Kerensky War the majority of the Star League military facilities became combat zones – and then Kerensky took control of the Terran Systems with the entire might of the remaining SLDF – and then the world was transferred to Blake, who now controls all HPGs within the IS – thus turning Terra into a persona-non-grate zone for all other Houses’ forces during this entire time frame …
Is this too difficult to understand also? …
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Viruses can be put into a system directly, meaning say ROM agents destroying the data
“within Tesla Cages and also air-gapped”
Essentially computer viruses cannot get to the information as it is on a stand-alone-system …. And a Faraday cage shields an enclosure form all electromagnetic fields – so no “special frequencies” … also how does a special frequency reach into a hidden bunker?
Sorry, this may have been too technical.
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the BIG answer to why the RWR got away with it, is because that is how the STORY WAS SUPPOSED TO GO.
So no one else is allowed to go into an unknown system or off the track because they do not have permission from TPTB – even when this is a what if / Alt. Universe setting? …
Can you please explain how someone gets this permission – do we need this also IRL or do we have free will?
Thus the idea of maintaining an exploration jump-ship in the future becomes an obsolete concept because you need TPTB’s permission before you can start?
So do I need TPTBs approval for everything else I want to do in the game?
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Now just because you keep suggesting that secret information should be spread around to every city on every world to prevent the loss of it, shows why you don't comprehend that.
The official NATO HQ is known – can you say for certainty where the war room is located?
Also can you please show where I wrote this? as the above statement was “Also where is the information that every capitol world was obliterated during the succession wars thus making these archive facilities destroyed beyond recovery?”
So for the Lyran Commonwealth – Tharkad – and their congressional library – how was this destroyed and when was it destroyed and wo destroyed it?
Get thee to Coventry … Now is the winter of our discontent, made glorious by this daughter of Tharkad … Our army shall march through. Well to New Avalon tonight.
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ghostrider
08/17/22 02:32 AM
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You complained that Katrina never sent someone to the site to excavate it. So how did it become: so when she sends an expeditionary force to excavate the site all unknown artifacts become the property of the LA.
It is difficult to understand how you complain something never happened, yet say it happens in the next post.
The original statement that you cut out the last half of: Student text books that have top secret information in them, is NOT going to be put in a public library or even school.
Your statement after leaving out half of mine: And now we have left the realm of reality …
University books are the foundation of knowledge from which students become engineers and scientists etc. – and from which their future R&D will once more unlock knowledge that was lost …
Or isn’t the concept of education a factor any more?
This is where it is suggested that top secret information is stored at public schools. This is on top of the suggestion that all tech be available to every city on every world, and anyone could gain access to it. But you forgot you wrote that as well.
I guess most of the questions posted for you to respond it beyond your understanding.
Your statement: They would be stored in secret HOUSE facilities upon their key worlds – including their capitol world.
Can you understand that the capital world of the SL/TH was Terra? So when did the IS get to search that world for some catalog that was probably erased when the SLDF left the IS? Anyone would have already figured out that if the catalog existed, Comstar would have gotten to every single one listed there. Understand this now? Or do I have to type even slower for you?
also how does a special frequency reach into a hidden bunker?
Really showing how stupid the responses are getting with that one.
There are devices as well as containers that are shielded from gauss coils and such so you can get data past them. Also, shutting off the power and sending a signal thru works as well.
The initial post was asking for canon reasons on why things didn't/did happen. When did this become the alt crap? Well normally when you don't have a leg to stand on is normally the start of it.
The constant saying that the lost tech should have been on every world from multiple threads is where to start. Basically, the concept of that tech could not be lost as every world should have and build it come to mind? Or do you have a problem that you don't bother remembering what you wrote, or go back to reread your own garbage? Every world is an island is the current form of that.
And yet the tech you think should be on every world was owned by the TH/SL, not the houses. SO why would they have that tech in their possession?
Wait, that requires thinking before spouting off on things.
Now back to the alt crap. PUT UP OR SHUT UP.
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Requiem
08/17/22 03:12 AM
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It is difficult to understand how you complain something never happened, yet say it happens in the next post.
When – referring to time or circumstance … when will we send the expeditionary group …. Ans. ?
Trying to argue semantics is a fruitless endeavour.
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Ghostrider post 08/16/22 07:02 PM
Student text books that have top secret information in them, is NOT going to be put in a public library or even school.
This is where it is suggested that top secret information is stored at public schools.
Yes, in your statement – not mine, you made the assumption where as mine was based on the foundation of knowledge.
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This is on top of the suggestion that all tech be available to every city on every world, and anyone could gain access to it. But you forgot you wrote that as well.
Where is this written - anyone could gain access? Or is this just another assumption?
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They would be stored in secret HOUSE facilities upon their key worlds – including their capitol world.
I see comprehension of the English language issue …
“Stored in secret house facilities upon their key worlds”
“Their” in this case refers to the house in question (LA), it does not refer to the SL or the TH specifically …
If you want it to refer to either of these then it should be re-written to
“stored in secret house facilities located within the SL’s TH …”
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There are devices as well as containers that are shielded from gauss coils and such so you can get data past them
Through a Faraday Cage? Within a high security facility?
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shutting off the power and sending a signal thru works as well
Can you please explain how an electronic device responds to a signal when the power has been turned off first – so does this mean my TV will respond to the remote when there is a blackout and there is no power?
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The initial post was asking for canon reasons on why things didn't/did happen.
Since when has what if / Alt Universe been excluded from this forum? The title of this Forum is House Archeology Units - by this title alone this states in bold that the forum is discussing an Alt. Universe / What if scenario as canon never included this!
still too difficult?
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The constant saying that the lost tech should have been on every world from multiple threads is where to start. Basically, the concept of that tech could not be lost as every world should have and build it come to mind?
Then go on prove how every piece of information on every world contained within every hard book or database was destroyed so that the IS ended in the mess it is – including House Capital Worlds.
Also every world is an island!
And if a single House lord does begin the proliferation of knowledge and businesses throughout their realm within a short period of time that realm will supersede all others.
Or is this concept - of existing international business - too difficult to understand?
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and yet the tech you think should be on every world was owned by the TH/SL
Really? – BattleMechs, Aerospace Fighters, Warships, Jumpships, Drop Ships all owned and built by the TH only? As well as all the tech that went with them to manufacture these military industrial vehicles.
So do please elucidate, what tech did the Houses have if they didn’t have access to these noted above?
And yet canon says they are obtained this information - so is canon no longer telling the truth about this?
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