Requiem
01/08/22 02:35 PM
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It would also up the companies moving their work from one world to the new one, which would cause a depression in the economy.
New venture within an new market equates to increasing the GDP of the new market – thus a boom in the new market.
Old market remains the same – other than increase in revenue from dividends from new venture in new market – thus increased wealth – which can lead to increased imports in high wealth products.
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If each world could make everything they need/want, then smaller pacts would form, causing the major ones to collapse, or never get formed.
If the world in question has been provided with version 6 of a weapon – what happens when version 7 comes out due to research and development from another world within the House – if they are no longer a part of the syndicate they are now vulnerable.
Being a part of a larger syndicate means availability to greater technology (Research and development – upon multiple worlds and multiple fields of scientific enquiry) and security – being on your own will just invite invasion either by your former House or the enemies of your former House.
Higher survivability being a part of the syndicate than being alone.
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Why send money and troops to someone else, when you can sit back, and keep it all to yourself?
Then why does any country send their military force to another country?
Security /Economic / strategic / living room (such as Germany in WW 1 and 2) issues for example.
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Mega Corp wars would come about.
Yes.
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there is no way to do these missions
How do special forces penetrate a foreign country now? Same principle
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There would be NO trade, as you wouldn't need it.
Then why is there trade now? If each country can become self sufficient in food etc.
Luxury goods provide an indicator of status - there will always be some wealthy individual who will want to buy that luxury vehicle from some far off world to prove to the masses that they are better than everyone else.
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Now what of the worlds that come up with something new? Are they going to be the ones to lead
Who owns the something new? A corporation or military? Free market economics Vs communism principles etc will determine this.
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So your gold from one system is worth the same as another system.
Within the same house – yes, otherwise there would be exchange rates.
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There has to be trade in order to keep worlds trying to cooperate with each other.
Correct – luxury goods and information – as well as new production facilities to assist with technological development come to mind.
Greed – new market equates to new market equates to increased profits and wealth so why kill the golden goose if the state is assisting you in increasing you and your employees / shareholders wealth?
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populations of worlds
Problem – only a few worlds have population stats and even fewer have stats as per a certain date in time.
Thus it is up to the GM of every game to make the call when the information is missing.
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Military leaders will always vie for running it all.
When was the last first world country run by the military? Can extrapolate this fact into the Battletech Universe – is dependent upon underlying government type – monarchy, democratic, communism, totalitarian etc.
Yes some countries are run by the military – however cant we say this is in the minority for the here and now?
However, that said in the far future each House is based upon a ruler who is also the head of a very active military that is in a near constant state of war – for example Victor rather than sitting on the throne and actually running the country he is almost constantly with a military unit off fighting who knows where ….
And in this society a bad commander will be killed off either by the enemy or his allies if he/she is unable to achieve results.
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Society of most worlds would result in a caste system, as each level would be made subordinate to others, or raised above the others.
And economic disparity is any difference?
Poor, middle class, upper class and all the spectrums in the middle
Again this is dependent upon how the government of each world operates. Eg China vs Indian Vs England Vs Canadian / American - each have their own society and must be judged accordingly – in game terms each House or even each world within the House may have its differences on societies …
As for the clans – they have their own society (that should have never seen the light of day!)
As for the military taking over – again this is dependent upon the underlying government and its success in achieving its goals / protecting the citizens / increasing wealth / leaders making their citizens happy etc .
Get thee to Coventry … Now is the winter of our discontent, made glorious by this daughter of Tharkad … Our army shall march through. Well to New Avalon tonight.
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ghostrider
01/08/22 11:26 PM
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How do you get forces into another nation now? Mainly, you swim in from a water source or hike in from another country that borders the one you are trying to get into. I want to see you swim from the jump point to a world. Pirate points will be watched and any ship that isn't part of that systems navy will be shot down when spotted. You are talking about having the patrolling ships to prevent anything from getting near a world with the ship increase.
Imports happen because other countries sell food for cheaper then you can make locally. If the entire world is one nation, then imports would not be necessary. Food grows better in some locations then others. If it is all grown undergound, then trade becomes moot. You can create most of the conditions to grow the types you want. Only during extreme times, like an earthquake destroys a grow area, would you need imports. And normally, only to replace the plants themselves, so you can grow more. Storage should be there to cover the loss of growing for a while.
Being part of one faction limits you to being stuck with what they have and can have. Another faction may well have far better things, and you can't do squat to gain it, other then trying to steal it. Which refers to trying to even get into the system. This is also not saying you are the one to come up with the next mouse trap. Greed comes into effect big time here.
Everyone being locked up underground would become an indentured servant to those in power. Those in power tend to lean on the military to keep them there. I would go deeper in this, but it is getting into a bad conversation area.
How long would this last before someone born into the leadership family would turn into a dictator? It isn't if, but when. There is no real way for someone outside of the world to come help, as everything is locked underground. Getting past the orbital defenses is a start. And again, forces being moved from one world would open up that world and others to strikes from oppositing factions. They don't have to be enemy nations either.
This will be the last post on this.
Edited by ghostrider (01/08/22 11:26 PM)
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Requiem
01/09/22 01:52 PM
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How do you get forces onto a another world?
Is the world in question a small backwater world with little to no military / defences – that is being used as a stalking horse to lure away forces from the primary objective world – prior to an invasion?
Does the world in question have a 360 degree X, Y and Z axis detection grid that extends out for who knows how many Kms – or is there a whole in the grid?
Does the military in question investigate all rogue asteroids that burns up before reaching the surface – ie a fake asteroid that contains a Mech / Special services Recon Force?
Are you able to create a distraction to enable your forces to slip not the planet without being detected?
Does your military have stealth tech that enables your forces to slip past the grid undetected?
Have your spies cultivated a traitor / long term agent in the enemy camp that will allow your forces to slip past the grid undetected?
Is this assault a precursor to a planetary invasion?
Does the planet in question have a vast amount of import / export vehicles coming and going in which a small craft can hide in – to penetrate the grid?
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If the entire world is one nation, then imports would not be necessary.
Why would any world / country become dependent upon another world for 100% of its sustainable products? This is just opening the world up for planetary invasion - suggest having a look at second season of Legend of the Galactic Heroes Die Neue These to see how this tactic is used to defeat an invading military / ensure the peoples loyalty to the House.
Underground – Hydroponic system – creating an artificial environment conducive to plant / animal growth.
Long term strategic necessities must out way that of short term economic concerns.
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Another faction may well have far better things … Greed
Who is going to trust a world and it’s lord who is going to sell out their people for greed?
Whatever happened to loyalty?
And as for these ‘better things’ who is to say that R&D is not being undertaken to fix this technology gap?
Also what of the Banking System – all your lords money / a percentage of planetary wealth may be held off world in the capitol bank so if you are captured or defect your planetary wealth etc. remains with your House.
Also what happens if Comstar never came to exist and each House maintains their own communications – the House Lord could interdict his/her own member worlds – cutting them off as a means to ensure compliance … and is this communications system compatible with other Houses communication system … thus necessitating a comple world fix in the event it changes allegiance?
And who is going to pay for that?
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Everyone being locked up underground would become an indentured servant to those in power.
And is everyone now who now resides within a town / city an indentured servant of the local government?
Sorry but this blanket statement does not hold validity – dependent upon the worlds overarching government type – communism, totalitarian, or democracy, or Clan for example etc…
How long does a dictatorship last before the people rise up an overthrow this individual?
How long before the military decides to act – how long before the House Lord decides to intervene and put things right once more?
Or is this just normal for the House in question – Capellan Confederation and control over the masses Vs Federated Suns – Liberty and freedom etc
There is no way to know until the DM of the Game makes the call.
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They don't have to be enemy nations either.
Agree – Star League era where free trade is encouraged – war is almost a thing of the past.
World Trade Organisation – eliminating the idea of war!
Get thee to Coventry … Now is the winter of our discontent, made glorious by this daughter of Tharkad … Our army shall march through. Well to New Avalon tonight.
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Requiem
01/20/22 08:12 PM
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https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Thule#First_Wave
Thule was the first planet outside the Periphery invaded by Clan Ghost Bear as part of Operation REVIVAL in March 3050.
Famine of 3055
In 3055, the planet suffered a major famine. In a little more than two decades, the planet has lost almost half of its population.
3050 – Population – 510,650,000
3079 – Population – 243,000,000
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When did knowledge of Thule Famine reach the Inner Sphere? Why didn’t any one assist the people of Thule? And why didn’t ComStar inform the Inner Sphere as to the Famine?
If the Clans are supposed to be the predecessors of the SLDF why didn’t they request aid from the Inner Sphere to assist with a relief aid for the people of Thule if they couldn’t?
And as they didn’t assist their captured people this is depraved indifference - murder on their part – if you see a person bleeding it is your responsibility to help them!
The Ghost Bears are just as guilty as the Smoke Jaguars at Turtle Bay!
What this shows is the TPTB depraved indifference to the people of Thule – and allowing the Ghost Bears a free pass to mass murder within the Inner Sphere as it does not fit their narrative.
What this also shows is that there should have been a nuclear war between the Inner Sphere and the Clans
Falcons are Guilty
Bears are Guilty
Jaguars are Guilty
What this shows once again is that the Clan invasion has too many holes! What this also shows is a lack of economics transport in the case of emergencies.
Get thee to Coventry … Now is the winter of our discontent, made glorious by this daughter of Tharkad … Our army shall march through. Well to New Avalon tonight.
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