Talk:Zebebelgenubi
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Terran Hegemony?[edit]
Does anyone have any reference aside from Dark Age: Republic Worlds (3130) showing this system to be under the Terran Hegemony? All my records indicate that the system never left the Lyran state until the Republic was formed.-Volt (talk) 07:14, 4 August 2014 (PDT)
- Historical: Liberation of Terra Volume 2 page 118 has this world listed as a Hegemony world absorbed by the Lyrans in 2783. It also has the world flagged up as a member-state world seized by the Amaris Empire Armed Forces and later recaptured - so, Amaris captured it from the Lyrans and made it part of the Hegemony, then Kerensky presumably liberated it, and then the Lyrans took it back. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 07:49, 4 August 2014 (PDT)
- There we go. The 2765 map from Volume 1 shows the system as a Lyran world. The 2767 map of RWR from the same book show the system as belonging to Amaris Empire. It's entirely possible that the locals thought it was the Terran Hegemony that invaded and annexed the system and not Amaris. <rant> Of course it would have been simpler if the 2765 map had the 2767 TH border to show that the TH expanded between 2750 and 2765, but that's not what the maps show</rant>.-Volt (talk) 16:31, 4 August 2014 (PDT)
- It's not the Terran Hegemony that expanded though - it was the Amaris Empire. So, Dark Age: Republic Worlds (3130) is still wrong - although I'm guessing that to a lot of people, there was no particular distinction between the Amaris Empire and the Terran Hegemony - even the Liberation books consistently use Terran Hegemony in most instances. There's some additional detail on Zebebelgenubi (and Nusakan) on page 53 of volume 2, as well as pages 88 and 126 of Volume 1. The map on p. 119 of Volume 1 has a string of worlds marked as jointly owned worlds captured during APOTHEOSIS that includes Zebebelgenubi and Nusakan, although I thought Nusakan was invaded so that Amaris could get his hands on more SDS tech. Page 126 of Vol 1 has details on the capture of both worlds, and has both of them described as major industrial centers claimed by both the Hegemony and the Commonwealth, with large Lyran populations but significant SLDF Royal garrisons. It looks as if Amaris just finished the job of annexing them completely when he launched APOTHEOSIS in December 2766 (which does fit with the two maps). BrokenMnemonic (talk) 00:00, 5 August 2014 (PDT)
- Yup I noticed those as well. I did not make a new category for jointly-owned worlds in my database, I just used whichever showed up on the map. I didn't encounter any conflict in doing so. I was under the notion that the in-universe perspective was that TH=AE for all practical purposes. I'm sure the peripheral systems in the Hegemony didn't really care who was sitting on the throne for as long as their world didn't stop turning.-Volt (talk) 01:17, 5 August 2014 (PDT)
- It's not the Terran Hegemony that expanded though - it was the Amaris Empire. So, Dark Age: Republic Worlds (3130) is still wrong - although I'm guessing that to a lot of people, there was no particular distinction between the Amaris Empire and the Terran Hegemony - even the Liberation books consistently use Terran Hegemony in most instances. There's some additional detail on Zebebelgenubi (and Nusakan) on page 53 of volume 2, as well as pages 88 and 126 of Volume 1. The map on p. 119 of Volume 1 has a string of worlds marked as jointly owned worlds captured during APOTHEOSIS that includes Zebebelgenubi and Nusakan, although I thought Nusakan was invaded so that Amaris could get his hands on more SDS tech. Page 126 of Vol 1 has details on the capture of both worlds, and has both of them described as major industrial centers claimed by both the Hegemony and the Commonwealth, with large Lyran populations but significant SLDF Royal garrisons. It looks as if Amaris just finished the job of annexing them completely when he launched APOTHEOSIS in December 2766 (which does fit with the two maps). BrokenMnemonic (talk) 00:00, 5 August 2014 (PDT)
- There we go. The 2765 map from Volume 1 shows the system as a Lyran world. The 2767 map of RWR from the same book show the system as belonging to Amaris Empire. It's entirely possible that the locals thought it was the Terran Hegemony that invaded and annexed the system and not Amaris. <rant> Of course it would have been simpler if the 2765 map had the 2767 TH border to show that the TH expanded between 2750 and 2765, but that's not what the maps show</rant>.-Volt (talk) 16:31, 4 August 2014 (PDT)