User talk:Dude RB

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Editor and Admin Awards[edit]

Dude RB, Editors contributing to Sarna typically fall into three categories: single-digit Editors, Site-wide editors, & Focused Interest Editors. They are all valued equally, for each brings a much needed level of attention to issues throughout the overall project. However, every now and then, the efforts of the third type of Editors catch my eye, for they add something that was either sorely neglected or altogether missing. Your focus on beefing up the tracking of the individual issues of miniatures is equal to that of any other type of BattleTech product reported on here and you've certainly added tremendous value to Sarna for your efforts.

I normally don't grant multiple serial awards, but your scope of articles (Miniatures - Catalyst Game Labs, Miniatures - Ral Partha, and Ral Partha Catalogs) each deserve the Admin level Good Article Award for their comprehensive details. (It should be noted you also started Miniatures - FASA, but I suspect that article just doesn't have much more information for you to inject.) As a fellow Editor, I'm also awarding you the Substantial Addition Award for your work improving List of Miniatures.

Finally, I'd like to also recognize your six+ months of Time In Service since you started here. This ribbon, much like the Edit Count Award, can be updated by yourself, as you meet the milestones. I've taken the liberty of adding the ribbons to your User Page ribbon board.

Thank you for your efforts, Dude RB.--Revanche (talk|contribs) 14:31, 9 May 2021 (EDT)

Boxed Sets[edit]

Hiya, just wanted to let you know that I am super happy about what you did to the BattleTech boxed set article. Thank you! Frabby (talk) 03:46, 7 June 2021 (EDT)

You're welcome. Thanks for creating the page in the first place. Given the multitude of boxed sets, having a central page showing them all is quite helpful. --Dude RB (talk) 09:21, 7 June 2021 (EDT)

ForcePacks[edit]

Revanche recommended working with you on this. Looks like we need to rename and recategorize the new Lance/Star packs. Currently "BattleTech: Inner Sphere XXX Lance" but should actually be "BattleTech: ForcePack: Inner Sphere XXX Lance" https://www.sarna.net/wiki/BattleTech:_Inner_Sphere_Command_Lance https://store.catalystgamelabs.com/collections/featured-products-homepage/products/battletech-forcepack-inner-sphere-command-lance Same for the Clan ones. Plus divorcing the ForcePacks from the Lance Packs would add some clarity to the categories.

Thoughts?MahiMahi (talk) 23:27, 20 June 2021 (EDT)

Thanks for reaching out. I would be glad to assist and add another perspective with this. I saw your addition of a series page for Alpha Strike Lance Packs and your updating of the series info in those products. I think that the addition of a series page (and using the series info) is a good idea and it will definitely help grouping. It seems to me best to think of all of the Clan KickStarter Force Packs as one series. [Dividing into three series: Lance Packs, Star Packs, and Division II Packs is another passing thought, but that does not seem to be the best for defining a series.] In terms of Series Name how about simply `BattleTech Force Packs'. Please let me know your thoughts on this.
In terms of the article name for each product, it would be ideal to keep the name identical or close to the name of product advertised commercially, but I also understand the desire to make the article names easy to distinguish. For the product "BattleTech: Inner Sphere Battle Lance" I could see the following article names as reasonable.
  • BattleTech: Inner Sphere Battle Lance
  • BattleTech: Inner Sphere Battle Lance Force Pack
  • Force Pack: Inner Sphere Battle Lance
I currently favor the third one (Force Pack: Inner Sphere Battle Lance) for the following reasons. When sorting alphabetically, a prefix (rather than a suffix) would cause grouping automatically. Also BattleTech is an implicitly assumed prefix for most things on this site, so omitting it is no real info loss. Also the "Force Pack:" prefix stands out more than something beginning with a 'B'. FYI: This is also the label used within the Clan Kickstarter. Let me know if this approach seems good to you. --Dude RB (talk) 23:42, 20 June 2021 (EDT)
I also favor the third. A single series/category of ForcePacks would look cleaner, and the series page could further divide those by the three factional groups, possibly including subcategories. I also propose the series be ordered by product code, there seems to be consistency there and I hope Wave 2 will continue it. MahiMahi (talk) 23:57, 20 June 2021 (EDT)
Also category tags can used to differentiate between lance packs, star packs, and division II packs. Showing such on the series page would be appropriate too. Depending on how one wished to express what is part of Wave I and Wave II, the organization of the series page could potentially vary. Category tags would definitely be something that would help regardless of the final series page organization. In terms of sequencing, if all the wave 2 catalog codes numerically succeed the wave 1 catalog codes, then I think that ordering the `preceded by' and 'followed by' links according to catalog codes would be good. Wave 1 was released in one batch, so ordering by catalog code within that wave is sensible, and the same can be done for wave 2. But wave 1 force packs should precede wave 2 force packs. So hopefully the catalog code sequence continues and there are no tough decisions. --Dude RB (talk) 00:27, 21 June 2021 (EDT)
My only concern with this is that the packaging of the product does not appear to use the words "ForcePack" that I can see (I put all mine into second wave so I am just going of the promo pics). Right now a lot of people know about the Kickstarter, but say a complete noobie who picks one up in a store or somebody who sees one on ebay ten years from now is going to go off the box.--Dmon (talk) 00:12, 21 June 2021 (EDT)
Wouldn't a redirect solve that? Aside from brand labeling the box says only "Inner Sphere Command Lance"MahiMahi (talk) 00:17, 21 June 2021 (EDT)
Yes a redirect would solve that, but I favor keeping the name printed on the physical product over a name on the CGL store, that can be changed at any time, as the main name we use--Dmon (talk) 00:20, 21 June 2021 (EDT)
We should report the product name as commercially stated, which is "BattleTech: Inner Sphere Battle Lance" or "BattleTech Inner Sphere Battle Lance". But can we name the article itself "Force Pack: Inner Sphere Battle Lance"? --Dude RB (talk) 00:29, 21 June 2021 (EDT)
I have 3 of the 4 wave 1 force packs. The promo picture https://www.miniaturemarket.com/cat35723.html is an accurate representation of the text on the front. It also appears on both sides, the top, and the bottom. So we should definitely label the product appropriately within the article and the article's product info box, but the article name could be slightly different, correct? --Dude RB (talk) 00:32, 21 June 2021 (EDT)
I long since threw my boxes away, but the BattleTech isn't part of the title anymore than it is in Total Warfare. ForcePack could remain the series title with individual product articles being labeled as the orange text reads. My main objective is to separate them from the Alpha Strike Lance Packs and the Iron Wind Lance sets. MahiMahi (talk) 00:45, 21 June 2021 (EDT)
Further grist for the mill: Catalyst Game Labs labels it on its own website as "BattleTech: ForcePack: Inner Sphere Command Lance". And most retailers also incorporate 'Force Pack' in some form into the entry name (but these vary and retailer namings do not admittedly count as official). The ForcePack terminology was also used in the KickStarter forms too. Dmon, while it is possible that Catalyst could change their naming, I think that their webstore would count as an official reflection of naming within their own catalog. So I don't see an issue with using "ForcePack: Inner Sphere Command Lance" as the product name in the product infobox. (This is identifying it as the 'Inner Sphere Command Lance' within the 'BattleTech ForcePack' series. In terms of searchability based on packaging, it will be important to retain the phrase `Inner Sphere Command Lance', but I don't think that that point is in doubt here.
One small issue is the space between Force and Pack (is there one space or no space?). Catalyst (both in its Webstore and in the Kickstarter) seems to be using no space between Force and Pack. (So it sounds that I will have to resist the natural urge to insert a space.) Making naming conventions consistent regarding that would be important. --Dude RB (talk) 06:25, 21 June 2021 (EDT)
Dmon and MahiMahi, this is definitely fruitful discussion and something that benefits from some rumination. In terms of the product name, since the current product article titles and product info box names are reasonable, I think that it is fine to leave those as the working titles for the time being. As further information from Catalyst becomes more manifest, the product name is something that can be revisited. [I find it a bit odd that Catalyst has only posted two of the force packs on their site.] As Catalyst pivots these products from KickStarter to retail (and updates some form of catalog), we may get further information that help guide us.
I think that a Series page and using the Series info fields can help distinguish these from the prior Alpha Strike Lance Packs. Of course, it would be good to hammer out the series name. In terms of a Series Name, it comes to mind that "Clan Invasion Force Pack" or "Clan Invasion ForcePack" seems suitable. This helps make the association to the Clan Invasion Box Set and Clan Invasion Kickstarter clear. I am not certain how permanent the `ForcePack' designation (with no space) will be as a coined term. But `Force Pack' (with a space) would work as a generic term, so that may be the safer option, at least to start. Please share your thoughts regarding the name "Clan Invasion Force Pack" to describe this series of products. --Dude RB (talk) 08:39, 23 June 2021 (EDT)

WebArchive Notes[edit]

I just came across your WebArchive Notes article and was impresse., After reading thru it (and going down a rabbit hole of old pages), I really think this would serve as a great guide for more advanced research editors here on Sarna. With your permission, I'd like to put it under the Essays category and put it on the Main Page rotation.--Revanche (talk|contribs) 06:39, 22 June 2021 (EDT)

Thanks for your note and feedback. That is helpful to hear. You have my permission to use such in the manner you have proposed. I just went through and tidied up a few things with a fresh set of eyes. So it should be reasonably ready to roll. Its intent is to share information and lessons learned. It should hopefully put certain bits of institutional knowledge into a readably available intro, particularly for those who may find web-historical research relevant. If someone should feel inclined to refine or expand either half, that is perfectly fine by me too. Best, --Dude RB (talk) 19:48, 22 June 2021 (EDT)