https://www.sarna.net/wiki/api.php?action=feedcontributions&user=Neufeld&feedformat=atomBattleTechWiki - User contributions [en]2024-03-28T13:17:27ZUser contributionsMediaWiki 1.34.4https://www.sarna.net/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Neufeld&diff=276701User talk:Neufeld2012-11-03T23:45:05Z<p>Neufeld: /* Updated conflict infobox */</p>
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{{Welcome|Neufeld|Christer Nyfält}}<br />
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== Year pages ==<br />
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Neufeld, can you please hold off on making the changes to those articles. The single division addition you made doesn't match what appears to be where consenus is heading and it will all be undone. Plus, since the policy hasn't even been written yet (since it hasn't been agreed to either), some people are thinking that what you are doing is the final form. I appreciate the drive you're showing, but let us firm up what the page will look like. I'll then write 9hopefully) easy instructions on how to use the code you're experimenting with. It'll be at least seven days from final consensus, but then you'll be free for take off once the policy is released (which will make the main page). Thanks. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 18:24, 19 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
: Ok. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 18:35, 19 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Canon policy ==<br />
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Thank you all your efforts to add info from TRO:3050U to the 'Mech articles. While I appreciate your zeal in adding missing Battle Values to these 'Mechs, information from non-canon sources must be very clearly separate from information from canon sources to reflect the authority that the latter have. I, too, would like to see that information available, but Solaris Skunkworks is not a canon source and so cannot be used for this purpose. Please read [[Policy:Canon]] for more information. --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 23:38, 20 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== All Purpose Award ==<br />
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I know it may seem to be a 'I'll scratch your back, you scratch mine' kinda deal at first look (since you gave me an AP today), I do sincerely feel appreciative for your highlighting of numerous 'articles' that needed killin', err, deleting. For getting into the guts of BTW to weed out the chaff, I present you with the All Purpose ribbon:<br />
:[[File:AP.jpg|All Purpose Award, 1st ribbon]]<br />
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:: Thanks! --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 05:24, 22 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Command Console ==<br />
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Hi Neufeld, hope things are well for you. I had question, since you've been updating or sprucing up the Duel Cockpit. Are you planning to do the [[Command Console]] article too? [[Tactical Operations]] has it in the book as Cockpit Command Console. I'm not up on the old rules, so i'm not sure if the older Command Console rules are similar. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 19:49, 24 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
: I'm right now mostly focusing on how to represent rules, and not the details. (see [[Policy Talk:Canon]]) So, I haven't planned visiting that article right now. Might do some research into later. Haven't got access to older rules. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 19:53, 24 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:: I took a look at the Command Console, and added what I found in TO. Some rules was a bit different to what was in the article, so I marked those sections as OLD:. I'm now finished with that article, until we make some decision on how to represent rules. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 21:04, 24 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Thanks for the assistance, Neufeld. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 01:13, 22 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Tnx==<br />
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Hi, tnx for your help though your afterwork of my articles. My english isn't perfect and you help me to correct my false speaking if necessary. I Read above that you will add some information about the academies from the LAAF. Let us work togehter and expand this project to all academiess. What are you thinking about it? [[User:Neuling|Neuling]] 07:27, 29 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
: I have added what I intended to add. I'm not interested in doing more academies now. The only thing I would like to see added is the academy logos from Handbook: House Steiner. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 12:04, 29 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==3050==<br />
Great job, Neufeld, with [[3050]]. In order to synch up with policy, I made some changes to it. Please take a look. If you and I start everyone off the the same foot, we'll hopefully avoid what happened to the pages previously. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 17:37, 30 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Just read [[3051]]. Great work, again. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 17:41, 30 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Thanks, I hope I got everything. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 17:43, 30 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==3052==<br />
Hy, why you delete the Battle of Luthien from the year page, i think it is a significant date.[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 20:28, 30 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
: The [[Battle of Luthien]] article don't have the date. You add the date there, and I will add it back in [[3052]]. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 20:31, 30 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Reversion ==<br />
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Morning, Neufeld. I agree with your reversion on [[:Category:Burst-Fire Weapons]]. It doesn't appear to be vandalism, but it didn't make much sense. Probably the first attempts by a new Editor, but it was obviously abandoned.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 11:30, 14 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I was wondering if he tried to list mechs with burst-fire weapons. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 13:09, 14 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Random Act of Appreciation Award ==<br />
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Because I haven't given one of these in a while and your name came up. Glad you're contributing, Neufeld.<br />
:[[File:RAA.jpg|Random Act of Appreciation Award, 1st ribbon]] <br />
--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 18:09, 14 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Thanks! --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 18:26, 14 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Battle Value worksheet ==<br />
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Neufeld, please have a look at the template: [[User:Mbear/BVWorksheet]]. Comments welcome.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 14:12, 19 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
: I'll take a look and comment on the talk page. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 16:18, 19 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Thanks ==<br />
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Thanks for taking care of the BV categories. I had planned on doing that when I came back from vacation (now), but now I don't have to! In appreciation, I give you an all-purpose award. [[File:AP 1bol.jpg|All Purpose Award, 2nd ribbon]] --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 23:33, 30 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
: Agreed. Well done. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 01:00, 31 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
:: And thank you for the reward. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 06:48, 31 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Mace redirects ==<br />
As you saw, I have moved Mace to Mace (custom vehicle). However, I reckon we should leave the redirect in place until somebody creates the "real" article for the canonical Mace. If I was the person who had created the original fanon article then I would re-visit my own article, and unless there's a new article in its place moving the fanon away without a redirect might be mistaken for a deletion. For the same reason I reckon there should be a note of some sort on the talk page.<br>Generally, please don't simply blank pages. They should be deleted, or if you can't do that, put in a deletion tag. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 15:35, 31 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
: As I saw it a redirect is more confusing than a blank page. Especially since people would expect to find mace - the weapon following a mace link. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 16:43, 31 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Vandervahn Chistu ==<br />
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Hey Neufeld - Question : I understand the flag you put up only if you intend to put a whole bunch of stuff from the animated series in there. Why is it an issue? [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 23:10, 6 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
: Well, I thought better safe than sorry. Remove it if you thinks its fine without it. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 23:19, 6 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
:: I respect your concerns. All I know is all my sources are canon. If you're concerned about the image, I know there's one pic of him from the JF book and another from the TCG. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 23:29, 6 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Notable pilots: Possible answer ==<br />
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Please review: [[BattleTechWiki_talk:Project_BattleMechs#Notable_Pilots_Sample_page]]. Thanks!--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 14:17, 14 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Clan Khans ==<br />
Hi Neufeld, i was wondering if you would like some help with the Clan Khan profiles? -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 15:27, 22 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
: Well, I'm just adding the very basics from Op:Klondike like clan and birthdate, so feel free to add more stuff. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 15:30, 22 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Battle Armor info question ==<br />
Hello Neufeld, i had question for you. You rightfully informed me of my ignorance about having to put reference information from linked info from the year page. The [[Battle Armor]] page itself is a sort-of out of game info. With no reference section, Are we suppose to put that sort thing in pages like that? I'll be bold do it, but doesn't seem right i guess. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 22:47, 23 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
: I see no problem putting in-game history in the article, on the other hand some people seems to have problems with putting things related to game rules in articles. Be bold about it. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 22:55, 23 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Question==<br />
Hy Neufeld, i don't know if you add the variant content to the [[Nightsky]], yes or no ??, when yes i must say sorry, the source falls under the moratorium. Greetings--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 18:24, 7 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
: No I didn't add it. But it is annoying to see people not knowing about the moratorium getting reverted all the time. It also gives an unfriendly impression. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 18:26, 7 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:: Ok you're right. It was not my intention to give unfriendly impression.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 18:31, 7 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::: It would be better to continue this discussion on the template discussion page. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 18:34, 7 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Clan Widowmaker saKhan Sanders==<br />
Hi Neufeld, i had left out a link to saKhan Sander from Khan Karrige's page due to lack of any information or profile on her. I was to add link when there was something on her. Won't be better not have red-link to something that likely for immeditate future not have a page unless they have some kind of book or something on her? -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 01:15, 13 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
: I feel that it is better to add the link right from the start, otherwise it is likely to be forgotten. Also with a red-link people see that the page is missing right from the beginning, without it they would have to search for the character first. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 06:32, 13 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Award==<br />
Hy Neufeld, nice to see you back after a while, i give you this [[File:RAA_1bol.jpg|Random Act of Appreciation Award, 2nd ribbon]] award, for the documents categorization.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 11:24, 25 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Thanks! However, a part of the honor goes to BrokenMnemonic, since he made me notice the existence of that category. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 11:30, 25 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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==Question==<br />
Hy Neufeld, please take a look on Neulings Variants+Manufacturers talk page, i don't understand this guy, he is on sarna.net over one year and dont follow any policys, please take a look on the Variants...page and give me a response what you think of the page, all the info can add in the various manufacturing center pages, sorry for rough writing.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 21:45, 20 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
: It is a badly formated mess. It is typical of his contributions. I no longer want to deal with his edits, and they are a big reason why I have given up working of the toumans house military pages. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 06:10, 21 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: Hy Neufeld, its suprise me that you use such hard words. I agree that sometimes my work is in some way chaotic but "always a mess" in your opinion , please that is under your niveau. I think the work I put it in the Sarna project is misunderstood. I create many of the mercanery articles and gives them their initial content and rework them later. Many user consider my work with suspicion. I will rethink if it usefull to me and the community to continue the cooperation, because I improved my work over the last months but that is not enougth, I think to meet the standards of the sarna.net. I had ideas but they are worthless, because when I something greated what is not in the common way it is deleted, changed back or merged with other articles. I understand you as admin which have the task to enforce the politics of the community. I'm not angry about you or the other users. Perhaps in the furture it exist a way to show my work at an different place and with the tolerance/acceptance of the community. Thnx for your support. [[User:Neuling|Neuling]] 16:10, 21 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
::: Two hints to avoid annoying people: 1. Do not use tables. 2. Figure out formating before you start adding a lot of info, and experiment either in the sandbox or a userpage (like Mbear added). --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 18:56, 21 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::Oh my god, thanks, you talke this in a view words, what i want to say,...:).--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 19:14, 21 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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==Citations==<br />
Hy Neufeld please can you add citations to the Shin Legion article and other summarys you added, that was very helpfull, thanks, oh and great work to cleanup the DCMS page.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 14:18, 24 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
: I'll see what I can do, since I mostly tweaked and edited information already in existence somewhere on the wiki. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 14:25, 24 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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==Category==<br />
Hy Neufeld, i see your new created militia pages, and i found a failur in the added category, not military --> Lyran Militia Commands is the right category.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 00:39, 22 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
: Ah, OK. Thanks. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 07:31, 22 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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==Lyran Royal Guards==<br />
Hi Neufeld,<br />
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I've been uploading unit logo images from ''[[Historical: Reunification War]]'' and adding them to unit entries. I noticed that you're editing the [[Royal Guards]] - there's now a logo for the [[4th Royal Guards]] if you want to include it in the article when it's done: [[:File:4th_Royal_Guards_2596.png]] [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 19:50, 31 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Well, the under construction is something that has been there for a long time, so I removed it. I also added the logo at the same time. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 23:16, 31 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Steiner dates ==<br />
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Neufeld, you need to pause in your edits. Your semantic code is visible to all and isn't doing what it should be doing for the article. Done properly, the code would not be seen. Please contact [[User talk:Seth|Seth]] before taking any further steps to get guidance on how to update these articles properly. Thanks.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 14:32, 17 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Hy Neufeld you must create at first a Template and Property page, but Revanche talke to you the best way is you contact Seth to help with this.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 14:42, 17 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Take a look how Seth handle this on the following pages [[Template:Red Corsair Timeline]], [[Property:Red Corsair Event]] and see the result on this page [[Red Corsair#Red Corsair Campaign Timeline]], i hope this helps.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 15:01, 17 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::I tried to use the same approach, but could not get it to work. Templates are too hard to use. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 15:04, 17 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::Talk to Seth he help and give you a guidline.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 15:05, 17 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Good job. Appears to be hidden, now.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 12:15, 18 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
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==Semantic wiki==<br />
Hy Neufeld i talk to Seth and he give us this guidline, great stuff, [[BattleTechWiki talk:SemanticMediaWiki]].--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 04:16, 18 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
:I added "display:none;" to the span tag for the template since my phone didn't resize the font to 0. Should be good now. You can see if the properties are added properly by previewing an edit. Properties are displayed as "Facts about this Page".--[[User:Seth|Seth]] 10:24, 18 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
::I also noticed that you haven't defined the properties [[Property:Inherited From]] and [[Property:Name of the Realm]] as either <nowiki>[[Has type::page]] or [[Has type::text]]</nowiki> (depending on what you want)--[[User:Seth|Seth]] 10:30, 18 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::Thanks. I will go and correct that. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 10:32, 18 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
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==Timeline Stuff==<br />
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Errors:<br />
* Victor gets listed from his Archon entry.<br />
:This can be fixed by renaming the properties that define who the FedSuns charts are looking for. For example, instead of it looking for the <nowiki>[[Inherited From::]]</nowiki>, you can have specific properties for each realm like <nowiki>[[FedSuns Inherited From::]]</nowiki> and so on with the rest of the properties. You'll have to create a separate template page for each realm as well since the current template works best with the list of Archons. Once you do those two things, your chart code will look like this:<br />
<pre>{{#ask:[[Category:FedSuns Rulers]]<br />
|?First Prince Reign Began=Reign Began<br />
|?First Prince Reign Ended=Reign Ended<br />
|?First Prince Inherited From=Inherited From<br />
|?First Prince Title=Title<br />
|sort=First Prince Reign Began<br />
|order=ascending<br />
|format=table<br />
|mainlabel=First Princes of the Federated Suns Realm<br />
|limit=1000<br />
}}<br />
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Adding the "=Reign Began" to the line "|?First Prince Reign Began" ensures that your table still looks like the Archon one.--[[User:Seth|Seth]] 22:36, 21 March 2012 (PDT) <br />
* Presidents lacks the First Princes category.<br />
:You can have your template add a category to all pages you add the template to. So you don't have to have your Semantic Table look for pages in a Category that already exists. If you add <nowiki>"[[Category:FedSuns Rulers]]</nowiki> to your template, any page you add that template to will be listed under the "FedSuns Rulers" category. Then instead of having this line at the top of your table:<br />
<pre>{{#ask:[[Category:First Princes]]</pre><br />
you would have:<br />
<pre>{{#ask:[[Category:FedSuns Rulers]]</pre><br />
This is especially useful for Kathrine Steiner-Davion who was the defacto ruler of the FedSuns for a few years.--[[User:Seth|Seth]] 22:36, 21 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
::I see you have been adding the <nowiki>[[Category:Federated Suns Rulers]]</nowiki> manually to each FedSun's ruler's page. It's not necessary to do that. Simply add it to the "Template:First Prince Timeline" page. Once you do that, any page that you add that template to will automatically add the "<nowiki>[[Category:Federated Suns Rulers]]</nowiki>" tag to the bottom. Must faster that way, trust me.--[[User:Seth|Seth]] 22:50, 22 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::Thanks! Stuff seems to work correctly now. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 00:58, 23 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
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::::Hy Neufeld i see you added at this morning some semantic stuff to the First Princes, but not all members are shown in the timetable?--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 10:17, 24 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::::Well, Alexander is missing since I have not decided how to deal with the regency, and I have not added data for the Succession Wars era rulers.--[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 10:38, 24 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Hey ==<br />
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Neufeld - I want to apologize for some of my past comments to you. I over-reacted to something, but that was no excuse. If you'd like to have a civil discussion about my [[AFFC]] article or anything else, I'd be very appreciative. Thanks. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 22:23, 23 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Apology accepted. As for the various armed forces articles, I do not feel like working on or discussing them right now. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 00:00, 24 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
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==Thanks==<br />
Thanks for taking care of the links on the [[Dianne Sennet]] page as well as the name change. That was a bad one on my part. --[[User:Rebs|Rebs]] 15:28, 26 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== The Battle of New Avalon ==<br />
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Neufeld - I added a citation for McCarel Farm. Its like this: The "First Battle of New Avalon" actually means "First Battle of New Avalon during the Jihad". (There is a reference.) Regarding your FCCW argument, I see your point. Basically, we're talking about five battles:<br />
* First Battle of New Avalon (FCCW): 1st Davion Guards vs. three of Katherine's units<br />
* Second Battle of New Avalon (FCCW) : Victor's task force finally takes Katherine down<br />
* First Battle of New Avalon (Jihad) : 31st Division Attacks<br />
* Second Battle of New Avalon (Jihad) : 31st and 36th Divisions Attack<br />
* Third Battle of New Avalon (Jihad) : 44th Shadow Division leads the 31st and 36th Divisions in an attack<br />
I have suggested that the latter three be consolidated on a single article called [[Battle of New Avalon (Jihad)]], and we should likely do the same for the FCCW. Again, there ARE references, and I have added the citation. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 00:57, 13 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
: Sounds like a good solution. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 01:34, 13 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
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==Lynn McKenna==<br />
Glad you helped out there! I know you are a fan of the [[Raven Alliance]], so if you know of sources and stuff, that would be excellent. Her article will likely be an ongoing project for a few days. It will probably be a long one too, as was the [[Stephen McKenna]] article.--[[User:Rebs|Rebs]] 03:16, 24 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
: Well, I will keep my eyes open if I spot something to add, but it is not like I am good at writing biographies or have some special notes compiled on Raven stuff. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 06:15, 24 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::No problem! Jihad: Final Reckoning provided a great deal of info (great book), and that was what I needed. And thanks for noting the conflict about Storm Crow Naval Pursuit Star's CO... that one was vexing me a bit. --[[User:Rebs|Rebs]] 20:04, 25 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Hiding User Creation and Deletion in Recent Changes ==<br />
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Is it possible to hide user creations, deletions and mergers on the [[Special:RecentChanges]] page? It is annoying to see the log flooded by those messages, just now there is one real edit in the last 50 changes, the rest are all related to user management. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 02:44, 16 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Neufeld, in the RecentChanges page there's a drop down list with various Namespaces in it. By default it shows everything. To just see real entries (updated/modified pages) select the '''(Main)''' namespace from the drop down list and hit the '''Go''' button. That should give you what you need.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]]<sup>([[User_talk:Mbear|talk]])</sup> 07:53, 16 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Yes, that makes it much better. Thanks! --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 09:19, 16 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Updated conflict infobox ==<br />
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Neufeld, please have a look at [[User:Mbear/PlanetPageTest]]. I've got a prototype for the updated infobox up and running. I'd like to hear your thoughts. Thanks!--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]]<sup>([[User_talk:Mbear|talk]])</sup> 07:25, 2 November 2012 (PDT)<br />
:It looks fine to me. If anything needs to change then it would be just some minor formating tweaks. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] ([[User talk:Neufeld|talk]]) 16:38, 3 November 2012 (PDT)<br />
::It seems that I posted a little too early. I found three minor issues: "forces involved" needs to start with a capital letter, links to the factions would also be nice and location needs to include planet and faction. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] ([[User talk:Neufeld|talk]]) 16:45, 3 November 2012 (PDT)</div>Neufeldhttps://www.sarna.net/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Mbear/PlanetPageTest&diff=276700User talk:Mbear/PlanetPageTest2012-11-03T23:43:22Z<p>Neufeld: Feedback.</p>
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<div>== Feedback ==<br />
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It looks mostly fine to me. Some minor tweaks that I would suggest are:<br />
* "forces involved" needs to start with a capital letter.<br />
* Links to the factions would also be nice.<br />
* Location needs to include planet and faction.<br />
--[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] ([[User talk:Neufeld|talk]]) 16:43, 3 November 2012 (PDT)</div>Neufeldhttps://www.sarna.net/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Neufeld&diff=276699User talk:Neufeld2012-11-03T23:38:31Z<p>Neufeld: /* Updated conflict infobox */ response</p>
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{{Welcome|Neufeld|Christer Nyfält}}<br />
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== Year pages ==<br />
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Neufeld, can you please hold off on making the changes to those articles. The single division addition you made doesn't match what appears to be where consenus is heading and it will all be undone. Plus, since the policy hasn't even been written yet (since it hasn't been agreed to either), some people are thinking that what you are doing is the final form. I appreciate the drive you're showing, but let us firm up what the page will look like. I'll then write 9hopefully) easy instructions on how to use the code you're experimenting with. It'll be at least seven days from final consensus, but then you'll be free for take off once the policy is released (which will make the main page). Thanks. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 18:24, 19 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
: Ok. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 18:35, 19 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Canon policy ==<br />
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Thank you all your efforts to add info from TRO:3050U to the 'Mech articles. While I appreciate your zeal in adding missing Battle Values to these 'Mechs, information from non-canon sources must be very clearly separate from information from canon sources to reflect the authority that the latter have. I, too, would like to see that information available, but Solaris Skunkworks is not a canon source and so cannot be used for this purpose. Please read [[Policy:Canon]] for more information. --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 23:38, 20 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== All Purpose Award ==<br />
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I know it may seem to be a 'I'll scratch your back, you scratch mine' kinda deal at first look (since you gave me an AP today), I do sincerely feel appreciative for your highlighting of numerous 'articles' that needed killin', err, deleting. For getting into the guts of BTW to weed out the chaff, I present you with the All Purpose ribbon:<br />
:[[File:AP.jpg|All Purpose Award, 1st ribbon]]<br />
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:: Thanks! --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 05:24, 22 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Command Console ==<br />
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Hi Neufeld, hope things are well for you. I had question, since you've been updating or sprucing up the Duel Cockpit. Are you planning to do the [[Command Console]] article too? [[Tactical Operations]] has it in the book as Cockpit Command Console. I'm not up on the old rules, so i'm not sure if the older Command Console rules are similar. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 19:49, 24 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
: I'm right now mostly focusing on how to represent rules, and not the details. (see [[Policy Talk:Canon]]) So, I haven't planned visiting that article right now. Might do some research into later. Haven't got access to older rules. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 19:53, 24 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:: I took a look at the Command Console, and added what I found in TO. Some rules was a bit different to what was in the article, so I marked those sections as OLD:. I'm now finished with that article, until we make some decision on how to represent rules. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 21:04, 24 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Thanks for the assistance, Neufeld. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 01:13, 22 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Tnx==<br />
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Hi, tnx for your help though your afterwork of my articles. My english isn't perfect and you help me to correct my false speaking if necessary. I Read above that you will add some information about the academies from the LAAF. Let us work togehter and expand this project to all academiess. What are you thinking about it? [[User:Neuling|Neuling]] 07:27, 29 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
: I have added what I intended to add. I'm not interested in doing more academies now. The only thing I would like to see added is the academy logos from Handbook: House Steiner. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 12:04, 29 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==3050==<br />
Great job, Neufeld, with [[3050]]. In order to synch up with policy, I made some changes to it. Please take a look. If you and I start everyone off the the same foot, we'll hopefully avoid what happened to the pages previously. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 17:37, 30 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Just read [[3051]]. Great work, again. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 17:41, 30 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Thanks, I hope I got everything. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 17:43, 30 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==3052==<br />
Hy, why you delete the Battle of Luthien from the year page, i think it is a significant date.[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 20:28, 30 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
: The [[Battle of Luthien]] article don't have the date. You add the date there, and I will add it back in [[3052]]. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 20:31, 30 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Reversion ==<br />
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Morning, Neufeld. I agree with your reversion on [[:Category:Burst-Fire Weapons]]. It doesn't appear to be vandalism, but it didn't make much sense. Probably the first attempts by a new Editor, but it was obviously abandoned.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 11:30, 14 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I was wondering if he tried to list mechs with burst-fire weapons. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 13:09, 14 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Random Act of Appreciation Award ==<br />
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Because I haven't given one of these in a while and your name came up. Glad you're contributing, Neufeld.<br />
:[[File:RAA.jpg|Random Act of Appreciation Award, 1st ribbon]] <br />
--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 18:09, 14 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Thanks! --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 18:26, 14 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Battle Value worksheet ==<br />
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Neufeld, please have a look at the template: [[User:Mbear/BVWorksheet]]. Comments welcome.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 14:12, 19 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
: I'll take a look and comment on the talk page. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 16:18, 19 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Thanks ==<br />
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Thanks for taking care of the BV categories. I had planned on doing that when I came back from vacation (now), but now I don't have to! In appreciation, I give you an all-purpose award. [[File:AP 1bol.jpg|All Purpose Award, 2nd ribbon]] --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 23:33, 30 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
: Agreed. Well done. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 01:00, 31 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
:: And thank you for the reward. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 06:48, 31 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Mace redirects ==<br />
As you saw, I have moved Mace to Mace (custom vehicle). However, I reckon we should leave the redirect in place until somebody creates the "real" article for the canonical Mace. If I was the person who had created the original fanon article then I would re-visit my own article, and unless there's a new article in its place moving the fanon away without a redirect might be mistaken for a deletion. For the same reason I reckon there should be a note of some sort on the talk page.<br>Generally, please don't simply blank pages. They should be deleted, or if you can't do that, put in a deletion tag. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 15:35, 31 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
: As I saw it a redirect is more confusing than a blank page. Especially since people would expect to find mace - the weapon following a mace link. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 16:43, 31 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Vandervahn Chistu ==<br />
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Hey Neufeld - Question : I understand the flag you put up only if you intend to put a whole bunch of stuff from the animated series in there. Why is it an issue? [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 23:10, 6 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
: Well, I thought better safe than sorry. Remove it if you thinks its fine without it. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 23:19, 6 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
:: I respect your concerns. All I know is all my sources are canon. If you're concerned about the image, I know there's one pic of him from the JF book and another from the TCG. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 23:29, 6 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Notable pilots: Possible answer ==<br />
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Please review: [[BattleTechWiki_talk:Project_BattleMechs#Notable_Pilots_Sample_page]]. Thanks!--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 14:17, 14 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Clan Khans ==<br />
Hi Neufeld, i was wondering if you would like some help with the Clan Khan profiles? -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 15:27, 22 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
: Well, I'm just adding the very basics from Op:Klondike like clan and birthdate, so feel free to add more stuff. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 15:30, 22 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Battle Armor info question ==<br />
Hello Neufeld, i had question for you. You rightfully informed me of my ignorance about having to put reference information from linked info from the year page. The [[Battle Armor]] page itself is a sort-of out of game info. With no reference section, Are we suppose to put that sort thing in pages like that? I'll be bold do it, but doesn't seem right i guess. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 22:47, 23 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
: I see no problem putting in-game history in the article, on the other hand some people seems to have problems with putting things related to game rules in articles. Be bold about it. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 22:55, 23 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Question==<br />
Hy Neufeld, i don't know if you add the variant content to the [[Nightsky]], yes or no ??, when yes i must say sorry, the source falls under the moratorium. Greetings--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 18:24, 7 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
: No I didn't add it. But it is annoying to see people not knowing about the moratorium getting reverted all the time. It also gives an unfriendly impression. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 18:26, 7 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:: Ok you're right. It was not my intention to give unfriendly impression.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 18:31, 7 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::: It would be better to continue this discussion on the template discussion page. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 18:34, 7 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Clan Widowmaker saKhan Sanders==<br />
Hi Neufeld, i had left out a link to saKhan Sander from Khan Karrige's page due to lack of any information or profile on her. I was to add link when there was something on her. Won't be better not have red-link to something that likely for immeditate future not have a page unless they have some kind of book or something on her? -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 01:15, 13 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
: I feel that it is better to add the link right from the start, otherwise it is likely to be forgotten. Also with a red-link people see that the page is missing right from the beginning, without it they would have to search for the character first. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 06:32, 13 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Award==<br />
Hy Neufeld, nice to see you back after a while, i give you this [[File:RAA_1bol.jpg|Random Act of Appreciation Award, 2nd ribbon]] award, for the documents categorization.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 11:24, 25 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Thanks! However, a part of the honor goes to BrokenMnemonic, since he made me notice the existence of that category. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 11:30, 25 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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==Question==<br />
Hy Neufeld, please take a look on Neulings Variants+Manufacturers talk page, i don't understand this guy, he is on sarna.net over one year and dont follow any policys, please take a look on the Variants...page and give me a response what you think of the page, all the info can add in the various manufacturing center pages, sorry for rough writing.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 21:45, 20 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
: It is a badly formated mess. It is typical of his contributions. I no longer want to deal with his edits, and they are a big reason why I have given up working of the toumans house military pages. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 06:10, 21 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: Hy Neufeld, its suprise me that you use such hard words. I agree that sometimes my work is in some way chaotic but "always a mess" in your opinion , please that is under your niveau. I think the work I put it in the Sarna project is misunderstood. I create many of the mercanery articles and gives them their initial content and rework them later. Many user consider my work with suspicion. I will rethink if it usefull to me and the community to continue the cooperation, because I improved my work over the last months but that is not enougth, I think to meet the standards of the sarna.net. I had ideas but they are worthless, because when I something greated what is not in the common way it is deleted, changed back or merged with other articles. I understand you as admin which have the task to enforce the politics of the community. I'm not angry about you or the other users. Perhaps in the furture it exist a way to show my work at an different place and with the tolerance/acceptance of the community. Thnx for your support. [[User:Neuling|Neuling]] 16:10, 21 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
::: Two hints to avoid annoying people: 1. Do not use tables. 2. Figure out formating before you start adding a lot of info, and experiment either in the sandbox or a userpage (like Mbear added). --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 18:56, 21 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::Oh my god, thanks, you talke this in a view words, what i want to say,...:).--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 19:14, 21 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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==Citations==<br />
Hy Neufeld please can you add citations to the Shin Legion article and other summarys you added, that was very helpfull, thanks, oh and great work to cleanup the DCMS page.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 14:18, 24 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
: I'll see what I can do, since I mostly tweaked and edited information already in existence somewhere on the wiki. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 14:25, 24 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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==Category==<br />
Hy Neufeld, i see your new created militia pages, and i found a failur in the added category, not military --> Lyran Militia Commands is the right category.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 00:39, 22 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
: Ah, OK. Thanks. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 07:31, 22 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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==Lyran Royal Guards==<br />
Hi Neufeld,<br />
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I've been uploading unit logo images from ''[[Historical: Reunification War]]'' and adding them to unit entries. I noticed that you're editing the [[Royal Guards]] - there's now a logo for the [[4th Royal Guards]] if you want to include it in the article when it's done: [[:File:4th_Royal_Guards_2596.png]] [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 19:50, 31 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Well, the under construction is something that has been there for a long time, so I removed it. I also added the logo at the same time. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 23:16, 31 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Steiner dates ==<br />
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Neufeld, you need to pause in your edits. Your semantic code is visible to all and isn't doing what it should be doing for the article. Done properly, the code would not be seen. Please contact [[User talk:Seth|Seth]] before taking any further steps to get guidance on how to update these articles properly. Thanks.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 14:32, 17 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Hy Neufeld you must create at first a Template and Property page, but Revanche talke to you the best way is you contact Seth to help with this.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 14:42, 17 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Take a look how Seth handle this on the following pages [[Template:Red Corsair Timeline]], [[Property:Red Corsair Event]] and see the result on this page [[Red Corsair#Red Corsair Campaign Timeline]], i hope this helps.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 15:01, 17 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::I tried to use the same approach, but could not get it to work. Templates are too hard to use. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 15:04, 17 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::Talk to Seth he help and give you a guidline.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 15:05, 17 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Good job. Appears to be hidden, now.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 12:15, 18 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
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==Semantic wiki==<br />
Hy Neufeld i talk to Seth and he give us this guidline, great stuff, [[BattleTechWiki talk:SemanticMediaWiki]].--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 04:16, 18 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
:I added "display:none;" to the span tag for the template since my phone didn't resize the font to 0. Should be good now. You can see if the properties are added properly by previewing an edit. Properties are displayed as "Facts about this Page".--[[User:Seth|Seth]] 10:24, 18 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
::I also noticed that you haven't defined the properties [[Property:Inherited From]] and [[Property:Name of the Realm]] as either <nowiki>[[Has type::page]] or [[Has type::text]]</nowiki> (depending on what you want)--[[User:Seth|Seth]] 10:30, 18 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::Thanks. I will go and correct that. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 10:32, 18 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
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==Timeline Stuff==<br />
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Errors:<br />
* Victor gets listed from his Archon entry.<br />
:This can be fixed by renaming the properties that define who the FedSuns charts are looking for. For example, instead of it looking for the <nowiki>[[Inherited From::]]</nowiki>, you can have specific properties for each realm like <nowiki>[[FedSuns Inherited From::]]</nowiki> and so on with the rest of the properties. You'll have to create a separate template page for each realm as well since the current template works best with the list of Archons. Once you do those two things, your chart code will look like this:<br />
<pre>{{#ask:[[Category:FedSuns Rulers]]<br />
|?First Prince Reign Began=Reign Began<br />
|?First Prince Reign Ended=Reign Ended<br />
|?First Prince Inherited From=Inherited From<br />
|?First Prince Title=Title<br />
|sort=First Prince Reign Began<br />
|order=ascending<br />
|format=table<br />
|mainlabel=First Princes of the Federated Suns Realm<br />
|limit=1000<br />
}}<br />
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Adding the "=Reign Began" to the line "|?First Prince Reign Began" ensures that your table still looks like the Archon one.--[[User:Seth|Seth]] 22:36, 21 March 2012 (PDT) <br />
* Presidents lacks the First Princes category.<br />
:You can have your template add a category to all pages you add the template to. So you don't have to have your Semantic Table look for pages in a Category that already exists. If you add <nowiki>"[[Category:FedSuns Rulers]]</nowiki> to your template, any page you add that template to will be listed under the "FedSuns Rulers" category. Then instead of having this line at the top of your table:<br />
<pre>{{#ask:[[Category:First Princes]]</pre><br />
you would have:<br />
<pre>{{#ask:[[Category:FedSuns Rulers]]</pre><br />
This is especially useful for Kathrine Steiner-Davion who was the defacto ruler of the FedSuns for a few years.--[[User:Seth|Seth]] 22:36, 21 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
::I see you have been adding the <nowiki>[[Category:Federated Suns Rulers]]</nowiki> manually to each FedSun's ruler's page. It's not necessary to do that. Simply add it to the "Template:First Prince Timeline" page. Once you do that, any page that you add that template to will automatically add the "<nowiki>[[Category:Federated Suns Rulers]]</nowiki>" tag to the bottom. Must faster that way, trust me.--[[User:Seth|Seth]] 22:50, 22 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::Thanks! Stuff seems to work correctly now. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 00:58, 23 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
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::::Hy Neufeld i see you added at this morning some semantic stuff to the First Princes, but not all members are shown in the timetable?--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 10:17, 24 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::::Well, Alexander is missing since I have not decided how to deal with the regency, and I have not added data for the Succession Wars era rulers.--[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 10:38, 24 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Hey ==<br />
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Neufeld - I want to apologize for some of my past comments to you. I over-reacted to something, but that was no excuse. If you'd like to have a civil discussion about my [[AFFC]] article or anything else, I'd be very appreciative. Thanks. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 22:23, 23 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Apology accepted. As for the various armed forces articles, I do not feel like working on or discussing them right now. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 00:00, 24 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
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==Thanks==<br />
Thanks for taking care of the links on the [[Dianne Sennet]] page as well as the name change. That was a bad one on my part. --[[User:Rebs|Rebs]] 15:28, 26 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== The Battle of New Avalon ==<br />
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Neufeld - I added a citation for McCarel Farm. Its like this: The "First Battle of New Avalon" actually means "First Battle of New Avalon during the Jihad". (There is a reference.) Regarding your FCCW argument, I see your point. Basically, we're talking about five battles:<br />
* First Battle of New Avalon (FCCW): 1st Davion Guards vs. three of Katherine's units<br />
* Second Battle of New Avalon (FCCW) : Victor's task force finally takes Katherine down<br />
* First Battle of New Avalon (Jihad) : 31st Division Attacks<br />
* Second Battle of New Avalon (Jihad) : 31st and 36th Divisions Attack<br />
* Third Battle of New Avalon (Jihad) : 44th Shadow Division leads the 31st and 36th Divisions in an attack<br />
I have suggested that the latter three be consolidated on a single article called [[Battle of New Avalon (Jihad)]], and we should likely do the same for the FCCW. Again, there ARE references, and I have added the citation. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 00:57, 13 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
: Sounds like a good solution. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 01:34, 13 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
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==Lynn McKenna==<br />
Glad you helped out there! I know you are a fan of the [[Raven Alliance]], so if you know of sources and stuff, that would be excellent. Her article will likely be an ongoing project for a few days. It will probably be a long one too, as was the [[Stephen McKenna]] article.--[[User:Rebs|Rebs]] 03:16, 24 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
: Well, I will keep my eyes open if I spot something to add, but it is not like I am good at writing biographies or have some special notes compiled on Raven stuff. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 06:15, 24 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::No problem! Jihad: Final Reckoning provided a great deal of info (great book), and that was what I needed. And thanks for noting the conflict about Storm Crow Naval Pursuit Star's CO... that one was vexing me a bit. --[[User:Rebs|Rebs]] 20:04, 25 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Hiding User Creation and Deletion in Recent Changes ==<br />
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Is it possible to hide user creations, deletions and mergers on the [[Special:RecentChanges]] page? It is annoying to see the log flooded by those messages, just now there is one real edit in the last 50 changes, the rest are all related to user management. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 02:44, 16 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Neufeld, in the RecentChanges page there's a drop down list with various Namespaces in it. By default it shows everything. To just see real entries (updated/modified pages) select the '''(Main)''' namespace from the drop down list and hit the '''Go''' button. That should give you what you need.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]]<sup>([[User_talk:Mbear|talk]])</sup> 07:53, 16 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Yes, that makes it much better. Thanks! --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 09:19, 16 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Updated conflict infobox ==<br />
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Neufeld, please have a look at [[User:Mbear/PlanetPageTest]]. I've got a prototype for the updated infobox up and running. I'd like to hear your thoughts. Thanks!--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]]<sup>([[User_talk:Mbear|talk]])</sup> 07:25, 2 November 2012 (PDT)<br />
:It looks fine to me. If anything needs to change then it would be just some minor formating tweaks. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] ([[User talk:Neufeld|talk]]) 16:38, 3 November 2012 (PDT)</div>Neufeldhttps://www.sarna.net/wiki/index.php?title=Age_of_War&diff=266811Age of War2012-08-29T17:16:11Z<p>Neufeld: Added additional references.</p>
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<div>{{Update Needed|[[Era Digest: Age of War]]}}<br />
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The '''Age of War''' is a name given to a roughly 150 year period that was characterized by large-scale warfare. This was sparked in [[2398]] when the [[Free Worlds League]] and [[Capellan Confederation]] went to war over the [[Andurien]] system.<ref>''Handbook: House Marik'', p. 15, 17</ref><br />
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=== Background ===<br />
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A prime reason for the conflict between the [[Free Worlds League]] and the [[Capellan Confederation]] was [[Allan Marik]]'s conquests of [[Zion]], [[Berenson]] and [[Andurien]] during the [[2366]]-[[2369]] time period.<ref>''Handbook: House Marik'', p. 17</ref><br />
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One probable source of tension between the [[Lyran Commonwealth]] and the [[Free Worlds League]] was the [[Promised Land]] debacle of [[2395]], when the Lyran High Command launched an attack due to an offhand remark by [[Archon]] [[Robert Marsden]].<ref>''Handbook: House Steiner'', p. 17</ref> However, since the '''Age of War''' did not start in 2395, it seems logical to assume that this did not result in lasting conflict.<br />
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=== The Start of the Era (2398-2412) ===<br />
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==== CC vs FWL, First Andurien War (2398-2404) ====<br />
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The [[First Andurien War]], which is regarded as the start of the [[Age of War]], started in [[2398]] when [[Kurnath Liao]] launched a major campaign trying to retake the Andurien system. The war was a major victory for the Free Worlds League, and a peace was negotiated in [[2404]].<ref>''Handbook: House Marik'', p. 15, 17</ref><ref>''Handbook: House Liao'', p. 18, 24</ref><br />
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==== CC vs FS, (2399-????) ====<br />
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The conflict between the [[Capellan Confederation]] and the [[Federated Suns]] started in [[2399]] when the Capellans destroyed all settlements on [[Novaya Zemlya]] for some reason. There is lack of info on how this conflict developed further, but it did at least continue through the whole reign of [[Marie Davion]], while the [[Federated Suns]] was on the defensive.<ref>''Handbook: House Liao'', p. 24</ref><ref>''Handbook. House Davion'', p. 25-26</ref><br />
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==== DC vs LC, (2407-2408) ====<br />
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For the [[Lyran Commonwealth]], the Age of War started on New Years Day [[2407]], when the [[Draconis Combine]] attacked. The Lyrans were caught unprepared due to political reasons. The attack made [[Archon]] [[Alistair Marsden]] sack the high command, take control over the military and move the capital from [[Arcturus]] to [[Tharkad]]. The Lyrans won a major victory at [[Vega]], destroying the staging area for the Combine offensive. Archon Alistair stopped the Kuritan offensive, even though he fell in action on [[Menkent]] on January 31st of [[2408]].<ref>''Handbook: House Steiner'', p. 17-18</ref><br />
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==== FWL vs LC, all quiet? ====<br />
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Little is known about conflict between the [[Lyran Commonwealth]] and the [[Free Worlds League]] during these years, the first clear mention of conflict between the two (during the Age of War) is the Lyran attack on [[Dieudonne]] in [[2416]].<ref>''Handbook: House Steiner'', p. 19</ref><ref>''Handbook: House Marik'', p. 18</ref> However, there are hints of earlier combat.<ref>''Handbook: House Marik'', p. 18</ref><ref>''Era Digest: Age of War'', p. 4</ref><br />
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=== Ares Conventions (2412-2439) ===<br />
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==== CC vs FWL, Tintavel and the Ares Conventions (2412) ====<br />
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In [[2412]] the Free Worlds League attacked the Capellan Confederation world of [[Tintavel]]. The reasons and greater context of this attack is unknown, and neither is it know if this was the first battle of the resumed hostilities. The battle escalated, WMDs were deployed and excessive civilian deaths resulted. The horrors of the battle prompted [[Aleisha Liao]] to instigate the [[Ares Conventions]]. The Conventions was signed by the then six great houses, the [[Rim Worlds Republic]] and the [[Principality of Rasalhague]]. The [[Taurian Concordat]] and the [[United Hindu Collective]] did not sign the conventions.<br />
The Conventions limited warfare in many ways, including fighting outside of urban areas and restricting the use of NBC weaponry. This had the unintended effect of sanitizing warfare and turning it into an acceptable method of settling disputes, leading to the long era of protracted bloodshed.<ref>''Era Digest: Age of War'', p. 5, 13</ref><ref>''Handbook: House Marik'', p. 18</ref><ref>''Handbook: House Liao'', p. 19</ref><br />
No further mentions about open conflict between the Confederation and the League can be found until the [[Second Andurien War]] starts.<br />
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==== FWL vs LC, the Dieudonne war (2416-2418) ====<br />
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In [[2416]] in Lyran Commonwealth attacked the Free Worlds League world of [[Dieudonne]]. This attack failed, and Captain-General [[Peter Marik]] relieved the planet and started a counter offensive. Worlds as far as [[Rochelle]] was conquered by the League in [[2418]]. A truce that lasted two years was negotiated on the behest of the League Parliament. <ref>''Handbook: House Steiner'', p. 19</ref><ref>''Handbook: House Marik'', p. 18</ref><ref>''Field Manual: Free Worlds League'', p. 7</ref><br />
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==== CC vs TC, The Rim War (2418-2422) ====<br />
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==== FWL vs LC, Lyrans strike back (2420-2422) ====<br />
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In [[2420]] the Lyrans started an offensive to retake worlds lost 2416-18 to the League. The League Parliament choose [[Joseph Stewart]] as Captain-General, after [[Peter Marik]] turned down the offer. The conflict was a major victory for the Lyrans, allowing them to retake and conquer several worlds. The Lyrans abandoned the offensive when they were satisfied by their gains. The League-Lyran front was quiet until 2427.<ref>''Handbook: House Marik'', p. 18</ref><ref>''Field Manual: Free Worlds League'', p. 7</ref><br />
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==== FWL vs LC, Bolan and getting bogged down (2427-2440) ====<br />
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In [[2427]] the Lyrans started an offensive to conquer [[Bolan]]. While the Lyrans managed to capture [[Bolan]] and [[Kamenz]], Captain-General [[Terrence Marik]] managed to turn the offensive into a costly griding that went on for several years.<ref>''Handbook: House Marik'', p. 18</ref><ref>''Handbook: House Steiner'', p. 19</ref><ref>''Field Manual: Free Worlds League'', p. 7</ref><br />
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=== Rise of the Battlemech (2439-) ===<br />
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=== Winding Down ===<br />
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The Age of War came to close when the [[Terran Hegemony]] negotiated a settlement, ironically between the League and Confederation over Andurien. Though they signed this agreement in [[2556]], [[2550]] is traditionally considered the end of the Age of War.{{cn}}<br />
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==References==<br />
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==Bibliography==<br />
*''[[Era Digest: Age of War]]''<br />
*''[[Field Manual: Free Worlds League]]''<br />
*''[[Handbook: House Davion]]''<br />
*''[[Handbook: House Liao]]''<br />
*''[[Handbook: House Marik]]''<br />
*''[[Handbook: House Steiner]]''<br />
*''[[Star League sourcebook]]''<br />
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[[Category:Wars]]</div>Neufeldhttps://www.sarna.net/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Neufeld&diff=261102User talk:Neufeld2012-07-16T16:19:18Z<p>Neufeld: /* Hiding User Creation and Deletion in Recent Changes */ Reply, thanks.</p>
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{{Welcome|Neufeld|Christer Nyfält}}<br />
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== Year pages ==<br />
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Neufeld, can you please hold off on making the changes to those articles. The single division addition you made doesn't match what appears to be where consenus is heading and it will all be undone. Plus, since the policy hasn't even been written yet (since it hasn't been agreed to either), some people are thinking that what you are doing is the final form. I appreciate the drive you're showing, but let us firm up what the page will look like. I'll then write 9hopefully) easy instructions on how to use the code you're experimenting with. It'll be at least seven days from final consensus, but then you'll be free for take off once the policy is released (which will make the main page). Thanks. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 18:24, 19 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
: Ok. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 18:35, 19 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Canon policy ==<br />
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Thank you all your efforts to add info from TRO:3050U to the 'Mech articles. While I appreciate your zeal in adding missing Battle Values to these 'Mechs, information from non-canon sources must be very clearly separate from information from canon sources to reflect the authority that the latter have. I, too, would like to see that information available, but Solaris Skunkworks is not a canon source and so cannot be used for this purpose. Please read [[Policy:Canon]] for more information. --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 23:38, 20 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== All Purpose Award ==<br />
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I know it may seem to be a 'I'll scratch your back, you scratch mine' kinda deal at first look (since you gave me an AP today), I do sincerely feel appreciative for your highlighting of numerous 'articles' that needed killin', err, deleting. For getting into the guts of BTW to weed out the chaff, I present you with the All Purpose ribbon:<br />
:[[File:AP.jpg|All Purpose Award, 1st ribbon]]<br />
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:: Thanks! --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 05:24, 22 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Command Console ==<br />
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Hi Neufeld, hope things are well for you. I had question, since you've been updating or sprucing up the Duel Cockpit. Are you planning to do the [[Command Console]] article too? [[Tactical Operations]] has it in the book as Cockpit Command Console. I'm not up on the old rules, so i'm not sure if the older Command Console rules are similar. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 19:49, 24 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
: I'm right now mostly focusing on how to represent rules, and not the details. (see [[Policy Talk:Canon]]) So, I haven't planned visiting that article right now. Might do some research into later. Haven't got access to older rules. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 19:53, 24 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:: I took a look at the Command Console, and added what I found in TO. Some rules was a bit different to what was in the article, so I marked those sections as OLD:. I'm now finished with that article, until we make some decision on how to represent rules. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 21:04, 24 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Thanks for the assistance, Neufeld. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 01:13, 22 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Tnx==<br />
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Hi, tnx for your help though your afterwork of my articles. My english isn't perfect and you help me to correct my false speaking if necessary. I Read above that you will add some information about the academies from the LAAF. Let us work togehter and expand this project to all academiess. What are you thinking about it? [[User:Neuling|Neuling]] 07:27, 29 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
: I have added what I intended to add. I'm not interested in doing more academies now. The only thing I would like to see added is the academy logos from Handbook: House Steiner. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 12:04, 29 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==3050==<br />
Great job, Neufeld, with [[3050]]. In order to synch up with policy, I made some changes to it. Please take a look. If you and I start everyone off the the same foot, we'll hopefully avoid what happened to the pages previously. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 17:37, 30 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Just read [[3051]]. Great work, again. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 17:41, 30 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Thanks, I hope I got everything. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 17:43, 30 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==3052==<br />
Hy, why you delete the Battle of Luthien from the year page, i think it is a significant date.[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 20:28, 30 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
: The [[Battle of Luthien]] article don't have the date. You add the date there, and I will add it back in [[3052]]. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 20:31, 30 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Reversion ==<br />
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Morning, Neufeld. I agree with your reversion on [[:Category:Burst-Fire Weapons]]. It doesn't appear to be vandalism, but it didn't make much sense. Probably the first attempts by a new Editor, but it was obviously abandoned.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 11:30, 14 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I was wondering if he tried to list mechs with burst-fire weapons. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 13:09, 14 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Random Act of Appreciation Award ==<br />
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Because I haven't given one of these in a while and your name came up. Glad you're contributing, Neufeld.<br />
:[[File:RAA.jpg|Random Act of Appreciation Award, 1st ribbon]] <br />
--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 18:09, 14 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Thanks! --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 18:26, 14 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Battle Value worksheet ==<br />
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Neufeld, please have a look at the template: [[User:Mbear/BVWorksheet]]. Comments welcome.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 14:12, 19 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
: I'll take a look and comment on the talk page. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 16:18, 19 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Thanks ==<br />
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Thanks for taking care of the BV categories. I had planned on doing that when I came back from vacation (now), but now I don't have to! In appreciation, I give you an all-purpose award. [[File:AP 1bol.jpg|All Purpose Award, 2nd ribbon]] --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 23:33, 30 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
: Agreed. Well done. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 01:00, 31 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
:: And thank you for the reward. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 06:48, 31 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Mace redirects ==<br />
As you saw, I have moved Mace to Mace (custom vehicle). However, I reckon we should leave the redirect in place until somebody creates the "real" article for the canonical Mace. If I was the person who had created the original fanon article then I would re-visit my own article, and unless there's a new article in its place moving the fanon away without a redirect might be mistaken for a deletion. For the same reason I reckon there should be a note of some sort on the talk page.<br>Generally, please don't simply blank pages. They should be deleted, or if you can't do that, put in a deletion tag. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 15:35, 31 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
: As I saw it a redirect is more confusing than a blank page. Especially since people would expect to find mace - the weapon following a mace link. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 16:43, 31 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Vandervahn Chistu ==<br />
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Hey Neufeld - Question : I understand the flag you put up only if you intend to put a whole bunch of stuff from the animated series in there. Why is it an issue? [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 23:10, 6 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
: Well, I thought better safe than sorry. Remove it if you thinks its fine without it. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 23:19, 6 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
:: I respect your concerns. All I know is all my sources are canon. If you're concerned about the image, I know there's one pic of him from the JF book and another from the TCG. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 23:29, 6 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Notable pilots: Possible answer ==<br />
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Please review: [[BattleTechWiki_talk:Project_BattleMechs#Notable_Pilots_Sample_page]]. Thanks!--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 14:17, 14 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Clan Khans ==<br />
Hi Neufeld, i was wondering if you would like some help with the Clan Khan profiles? -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 15:27, 22 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
: Well, I'm just adding the very basics from Op:Klondike like clan and birthdate, so feel free to add more stuff. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 15:30, 22 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Battle Armor info question ==<br />
Hello Neufeld, i had question for you. You rightfully informed me of my ignorance about having to put reference information from linked info from the year page. The [[Battle Armor]] page itself is a sort-of out of game info. With no reference section, Are we suppose to put that sort thing in pages like that? I'll be bold do it, but doesn't seem right i guess. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 22:47, 23 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
: I see no problem putting in-game history in the article, on the other hand some people seems to have problems with putting things related to game rules in articles. Be bold about it. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 22:55, 23 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Question==<br />
Hy Neufeld, i don't know if you add the variant content to the [[Nightsky]], yes or no ??, when yes i must say sorry, the source falls under the moratorium. Greetings--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 18:24, 7 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
: No I didn't add it. But it is annoying to see people not knowing about the moratorium getting reverted all the time. It also gives an unfriendly impression. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 18:26, 7 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:: Ok you're right. It was not my intention to give unfriendly impression.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 18:31, 7 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::: It would be better to continue this discussion on the template discussion page. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 18:34, 7 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Clan Widowmaker saKhan Sanders==<br />
Hi Neufeld, i had left out a link to saKhan Sander from Khan Karrige's page due to lack of any information or profile on her. I was to add link when there was something on her. Won't be better not have red-link to something that likely for immeditate future not have a page unless they have some kind of book or something on her? -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 01:15, 13 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
: I feel that it is better to add the link right from the start, otherwise it is likely to be forgotten. Also with a red-link people see that the page is missing right from the beginning, without it they would have to search for the character first. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 06:32, 13 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Award==<br />
Hy Neufeld, nice to see you back after a while, i give you this [[File:RAA_1bol.jpg|Random Act of Appreciation Award, 2nd ribbon]] award, for the documents categorization.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 11:24, 25 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Thanks! However, a part of the honor goes to BrokenMnemonic, since he made me notice the existence of that category. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 11:30, 25 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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==Question==<br />
Hy Neufeld, please take a look on Neulings Variants+Manufacturers talk page, i don't understand this guy, he is on sarna.net over one year and dont follow any policys, please take a look on the Variants...page and give me a response what you think of the page, all the info can add in the various manufacturing center pages, sorry for rough writing.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 21:45, 20 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
: It is a badly formated mess. It is typical of his contributions. I no longer want to deal with his edits, and they are a big reason why I have given up working of the toumans house military pages. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 06:10, 21 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: Hy Neufeld, its suprise me that you use such hard words. I agree that sometimes my work is in some way chaotic but "always a mess" in your opinion , please that is under your niveau. I think the work I put it in the Sarna project is misunderstood. I create many of the mercanery articles and gives them their initial content and rework them later. Many user consider my work with suspicion. I will rethink if it usefull to me and the community to continue the cooperation, because I improved my work over the last months but that is not enougth, I think to meet the standards of the sarna.net. I had ideas but they are worthless, because when I something greated what is not in the common way it is deleted, changed back or merged with other articles. I understand you as admin which have the task to enforce the politics of the community. I'm not angry about you or the other users. Perhaps in the furture it exist a way to show my work at an different place and with the tolerance/acceptance of the community. Thnx for your support. [[User:Neuling|Neuling]] 16:10, 21 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
::: Two hints to avoid annoying people: 1. Do not use tables. 2. Figure out formating before you start adding a lot of info, and experiment either in the sandbox or a userpage (like Mbear added). --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 18:56, 21 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::Oh my god, thanks, you talke this in a view words, what i want to say,...:).--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 19:14, 21 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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==Citations==<br />
Hy Neufeld please can you add citations to the Shin Legion article and other summarys you added, that was very helpfull, thanks, oh and great work to cleanup the DCMS page.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 14:18, 24 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
: I'll see what I can do, since I mostly tweaked and edited information already in existence somewhere on the wiki. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 14:25, 24 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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==Category==<br />
Hy Neufeld, i see your new created militia pages, and i found a failur in the added category, not military --> Lyran Militia Commands is the right category.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 00:39, 22 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
: Ah, OK. Thanks. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 07:31, 22 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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==Lyran Royal Guards==<br />
Hi Neufeld,<br />
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I've been uploading unit logo images from ''[[Historical: Reunification War]]'' and adding them to unit entries. I noticed that you're editing the [[Royal Guards]] - there's now a logo for the [[4th Royal Guards]] if you want to include it in the article when it's done: [[:File:4th_Royal_Guards_2596.png]] [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 19:50, 31 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Well, the under construction is something that has been there for a long time, so I removed it. I also added the logo at the same time. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 23:16, 31 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Steiner dates ==<br />
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Neufeld, you need to pause in your edits. Your semantic code is visible to all and isn't doing what it should be doing for the article. Done properly, the code would not be seen. Please contact [[User talk:Seth|Seth]] before taking any further steps to get guidance on how to update these articles properly. Thanks.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 14:32, 17 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Hy Neufeld you must create at first a Template and Property page, but Revanche talke to you the best way is you contact Seth to help with this.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 14:42, 17 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Take a look how Seth handle this on the following pages [[Template:Red Corsair Timeline]], [[Property:Red Corsair Event]] and see the result on this page [[Red Corsair#Red Corsair Campaign Timeline]], i hope this helps.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 15:01, 17 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::I tried to use the same approach, but could not get it to work. Templates are too hard to use. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 15:04, 17 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::Talk to Seth he help and give you a guidline.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 15:05, 17 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Good job. Appears to be hidden, now.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 12:15, 18 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
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==Semantic wiki==<br />
Hy Neufeld i talk to Seth and he give us this guidline, great stuff, [[BattleTechWiki talk:SemanticMediaWiki]].--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 04:16, 18 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
:I added "display:none;" to the span tag for the template since my phone didn't resize the font to 0. Should be good now. You can see if the properties are added properly by previewing an edit. Properties are displayed as "Facts about this Page".--[[User:Seth|Seth]] 10:24, 18 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
::I also noticed that you haven't defined the properties [[Property:Inherited From]] and [[Property:Name of the Realm]] as either <nowiki>[[Has type::page]] or [[Has type::text]]</nowiki> (depending on what you want)--[[User:Seth|Seth]] 10:30, 18 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::Thanks. I will go and correct that. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 10:32, 18 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
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==Timeline Stuff==<br />
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Errors:<br />
* Victor gets listed from his Archon entry.<br />
:This can be fixed by renaming the properties that define who the FedSuns charts are looking for. For example, instead of it looking for the <nowiki>[[Inherited From::]]</nowiki>, you can have specific properties for each realm like <nowiki>[[FedSuns Inherited From::]]</nowiki> and so on with the rest of the properties. You'll have to create a separate template page for each realm as well since the current template works best with the list of Archons. Once you do those two things, your chart code will look like this:<br />
<pre>{{#ask:[[Category:FedSuns Rulers]]<br />
|?First Prince Reign Began=Reign Began<br />
|?First Prince Reign Ended=Reign Ended<br />
|?First Prince Inherited From=Inherited From<br />
|?First Prince Title=Title<br />
|sort=First Prince Reign Began<br />
|order=ascending<br />
|format=table<br />
|mainlabel=First Princes of the Federated Suns Realm<br />
|limit=1000<br />
}}<br />
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Adding the "=Reign Began" to the line "|?First Prince Reign Began" ensures that your table still looks like the Archon one.--[[User:Seth|Seth]] 22:36, 21 March 2012 (PDT) <br />
* Presidents lacks the First Princes category.<br />
:You can have your template add a category to all pages you add the template to. So you don't have to have your Semantic Table look for pages in a Category that already exists. If you add <nowiki>"[[Category:FedSuns Rulers]]</nowiki> to your template, any page you add that template to will be listed under the "FedSuns Rulers" category. Then instead of having this line at the top of your table:<br />
<pre>{{#ask:[[Category:First Princes]]</pre><br />
you would have:<br />
<pre>{{#ask:[[Category:FedSuns Rulers]]</pre><br />
This is especially useful for Kathrine Steiner-Davion who was the defacto ruler of the FedSuns for a few years.--[[User:Seth|Seth]] 22:36, 21 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
::I see you have been adding the <nowiki>[[Category:Federated Suns Rulers]]</nowiki> manually to each FedSun's ruler's page. It's not necessary to do that. Simply add it to the "Template:First Prince Timeline" page. Once you do that, any page that you add that template to will automatically add the "<nowiki>[[Category:Federated Suns Rulers]]</nowiki>" tag to the bottom. Must faster that way, trust me.--[[User:Seth|Seth]] 22:50, 22 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::Thanks! Stuff seems to work correctly now. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 00:58, 23 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
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::::Hy Neufeld i see you added at this morning some semantic stuff to the First Princes, but not all members are shown in the timetable?--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 10:17, 24 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::::Well, Alexander is missing since I have not decided how to deal with the regency, and I have not added data for the Succession Wars era rulers.--[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 10:38, 24 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Hey ==<br />
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Neufeld - I want to apologize for some of my past comments to you. I over-reacted to something, but that was no excuse. If you'd like to have a civil discussion about my [[AFFC]] article or anything else, I'd be very appreciative. Thanks. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 22:23, 23 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Apology accepted. As for the various armed forces articles, I do not feel like working on or discussing them right now. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 00:00, 24 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
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==Thanks==<br />
Thanks for taking care of the links on the [[Dianne Sennet]] page as well as the name change. That was a bad one on my part. --[[User:Rebs|Rebs]] 15:28, 26 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== The Battle of New Avalon ==<br />
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Neufeld - I added a citation for McCarel Farm. Its like this: The "First Battle of New Avalon" actually means "First Battle of New Avalon during the Jihad". (There is a reference.) Regarding your FCCW argument, I see your point. Basically, we're talking about five battles:<br />
* First Battle of New Avalon (FCCW): 1st Davion Guards vs. three of Katherine's units<br />
* Second Battle of New Avalon (FCCW) : Victor's task force finally takes Katherine down<br />
* First Battle of New Avalon (Jihad) : 31st Division Attacks<br />
* Second Battle of New Avalon (Jihad) : 31st and 36th Divisions Attack<br />
* Third Battle of New Avalon (Jihad) : 44th Shadow Division leads the 31st and 36th Divisions in an attack<br />
I have suggested that the latter three be consolidated on a single article called [[Battle of New Avalon (Jihad)]], and we should likely do the same for the FCCW. Again, there ARE references, and I have added the citation. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 00:57, 13 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
: Sounds like a good solution. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 01:34, 13 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
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==Lynn McKenna==<br />
Glad you helped out there! I know you are a fan of the [[Raven Alliance]], so if you know of sources and stuff, that would be excellent. Her article will likely be an ongoing project for a few days. It will probably be a long one too, as was the [[Stephen McKenna]] article.--[[User:Rebs|Rebs]] 03:16, 24 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
: Well, I will keep my eyes open if I spot something to add, but it is not like I am good at writing biographies or have some special notes compiled on Raven stuff. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 06:15, 24 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::No problem! Jihad: Final Reckoning provided a great deal of info (great book), and that was what I needed. And thanks for noting the conflict about Storm Crow Naval Pursuit Star's CO... that one was vexing me a bit. --[[User:Rebs|Rebs]] 20:04, 25 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Hiding User Creation and Deletion in Recent Changes ==<br />
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Is it possible to hide user creations, deletions and mergers on the [[Special:RecentChanges]] page? It is annoying to see the log flooded by those messages, just now there is one real edit in the last 50 changes, the rest are all related to user management. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 02:44, 16 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Neufeld, in the RecentChanges page there's a drop down list with various Namespaces in it. By default it shows everything. To just see real entries (updated/modified pages) select the '''(Main)''' namespace from the drop down list and hit the '''Go''' button. That should give you what you need.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]]<sup>([[User_talk:Mbear|talk]])</sup> 07:53, 16 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Yes, that makes it much better. Thanks! --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 09:19, 16 July 2012 (PDT)</div>Neufeldhttps://www.sarna.net/wiki/index.php?title=BattleTechWiki:Masthead&diff=261063BattleTechWiki:Masthead2012-07-16T09:46:51Z<p>Neufeld: /* Hiding user creations and deletions on the Recent changes page */ fix link</p>
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===Hiding user creations and deletions on the Recent changes page===<br />
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Is it possible to hide user creations, deletions and mergers on the [[Special:RecentChanges]] page? It is annoying to see the log flooded by those messages, just now there is one real edit in the last 50 changes, the rest are all related to user management. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 02:44, 16 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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===Potatoe===<br />
We've got a little bit of a problem that I think has come across from the Mechwarrior Online forums. A new user has logged in, created a BattleMech article for some sort of custom mod or joke image of a mech named the [[Potatoe]], and uploaded it with an image into the BattleMech category here. Another new user account was created and flagged it up for deletion, with a comment indicating that it was something they felt belonged in a user's sandbox or the like. A third new user account has just been created, which has been used to rewrite the second users comment, add a comment, and then add a third comment with an attempt at spoofing the user ID. I don't know what the sarna policy is on this, or if there is one yet for Mechwarrior Online and the like, but I've rolled back the edits on the comment page because it seems at the least disrespectful to another editor to overwrite their talk comments while retaining their tag - not to mention childish. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 09:12, 22 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:I saw the Potatoe just before I had to pack up and leave over the weekend (currently sitting in a hotel room with internet access), otherwise I would have dealt with it already. In short, fanon (even jokes) doesn't belong on Sarna anymore and is in clear violation of at least one policy. I won't do anything about the comments and user registrations you mention, though I have to say I don't seen why you rolled them back. Disruptive editing in the main section (articles) is the one and only criterium for me, and I don't see that here. But what's done is done. Anyways, I'm on the case now. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 14:37, 23 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::I rolled them back because my understanding was that editors here should treat each other with respect, and deliberately attempting to spoof another user in talk pages or rewriting a user's comment to change what they've said - putting false words in their mouth - seemed completely contrary to that idea. If what I did was inappropriate, then I won't do it again. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 15:42, 23 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::Thanks for the clarification. If what you rolled back amounted to personal attacks and/or producing questionable content under another editor's name then rolling it back was definitely called for. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 23:45, 23 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::That's basically what the original edits amounted to - one edit changed a user's posted comment to something diametrically opposed to what they'd said, the second edit posted under the vandal's own ID mocked the original editor, and the third edit spoofed a third users' ID to post a fictitious comment agreeing with the opinions expressed in the falsified first edit and the vandal's second edit. I hope this was just a one off, and not something we'll see a lot more of as the Mechwarrior Online fandom expands. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 02:12, 24 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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===Sharpelan1===<br />
Hy guys, i notice in the last weeks some spambot attacks and so on, please delete this new spam [[User:Sharpelan1]], thanks.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 17:00, 25 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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===Sftntlgch===<br />
New spambot attack [[User:Sftntlgch]], please delete the spam.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 14:59, 29 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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===Edit Counter Stuck===<br />
Looking at the User Score page, the edit counts seem to be stuck - and the entry for each user doesn't seem to record the number individaul of pages edited, either, although the text string indicates it should be. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 00:34, 13 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:That's actually not an error. The User Score page is now built weekly instead of daily for performance reasons. The Wanted pages page is the same thing.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]]<sup>([[User_talk:Mbear|talk]])</sup> 03:52, 13 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Ah, that explains it, thanks. Although I notice it gives an overall edit count still, but doesn't tell you how many individual pages have been edited, although it still reads as if it should? [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 09:12, 22 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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===Something goofy going on with the CSS===<br />
When a user is logged out and looks at any article, there is a lot of empty space that is not there when a user is logged in. The problem lies in the div ".mw-content-ltr".--[[User:Seth|Seth]] 07:45, 9 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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===Sarna has become very slow===<br />
Sarna seems to have grown very slow, with loading and editing pages taking tens of seconds. It is not my connection, since I have no problem with other sites. Could you please looking into the issue, sinced it makes it a pain to edit stuff here. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 07:16, 19 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
:It has, this morning. My last two edits I didn't think made it, as the page timed out (after 3 minutes), but it turns out they did. It ''might'' be because of something Nic may be doing at this time, as I noticed it before when I think he was uploading the page ranking extension.<br />
:I hope it isn't Semantics-related.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 08:48, 19 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Looking at the Firebug NET panel, it looks like it's related to the Google Plus stuff. I've seen weirdness like this before at work where we use Google API hosting. Every so often the Google servers apparently get reset and you have to download all the stuff again.<br />
::The strange thing is that it looks like the plus one button image is being downloaded twice. No idea why.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]]<sup>([[User_talk:Mbear|talk]])</sup> 09:18, 19 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::Okay, so what i understand is its beyond our control and we'll just need to ride out the storm. Amazing: Google has had more of an impact on my daily routine with this than the Sun's CDE did last week.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 09:46, 19 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
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===Page Ratings===<br />
I was trying out the new page ratings feature, and there was something I notice that could probably be re-worded. When checking the box "I am highly knowledgeable about this topic (optional)", you get four additional boxes to check: "I have a relevant college/university degree", "It is part of my profession", "It is a deep personal passion", and "The source of my knowledge is not listed here". The first two options really don't apply to this BattleTech Wiki like they do to for Wikipedia. I would suggest dropping them or replacing them with something more applicable an editor of this wiki.--[[User:Seth|Seth]] 11:00, 16 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
:I am with you Seth, i found the new box unconformable for us users, i don't know if we need this first version of the rating box, we are a BattleTech Wiki and not the Wikipedia.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 11:16, 16 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Gentlemen, the survey extension has only been successfully installed, not modified for BTW. The admin team has been working on much more appropriate questions, so please don't worry. There are also several behind-the-scenes things we'd like to be able to do, <u>if</u> we can modify it. In other words, it is still very much a work in progress and if we could have kept it out of the public eye until it was ready.<br />
::BUT...we do want this feedback, so keep it coming. We'll respond as we can. Thanks, guys. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 12:30, 16 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::The Shadow admin caste give use a little bone {{Emoticon| :) }}, but i must say great response Rev., i LOVE sarna.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 18:49, 16 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
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===Catalyst Labs Errata/Ask The Writer/Ask The Lead Developer Questions and Answers===<br />
I apologise if this is the wrong place to ask this question, but I couldn't think of another place to ask that made sense - if it is in the wrong place, please feel free to tell me to take it to another page.<br />
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One of the things I've found myself doing lately is asking a fair number of questions over on the Catalyst Game Labs forums in the Ask The Writers/Ask The Lead Developers areas where I'm trying to pin down answers or details relevant to work I've been doing here. Sometimes, I'm asking for clarifications, other times, I'm asking about things I believe to be erroneous. I then include the responses to the questions in articles on here if it seems appropriate; to be precise, I normally quote the specific text of the response into the article within the notes section of the article. You can see examples of that in the article on the [[Magestrix Guard#Notes|Magestrix Guard]] and the article on the SLDF [[VII Corps (Star League)#Notes|VII Corps]].<br />
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One of the reasons I've taken to quoting the relevant part of the response from the writer or developer is that I know that the Catalyst Labs forum goes through periodic bouts of archiving, where old posts are removed. I know that Catalyst Labs tracks errata and incorporates errata into new editions, when new editions are released... but I'm a little concerned that while we're all trying hard here to make Sarna a valuable tool for players and others, a lot of information that supplements the published information that comes up in areas like the Ask The Writer/Ask The Lead Developer forums isn't captured here unless the person asking the question is a Sarna editor and purposefully updates the relevant articles here.<br />
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So, I was wondering if one of the things we should be trying to do here is keep a track of information released via the Catalyst Labs forums so that it can be incorporated into articles here. A lot of the questions in both forums aren't of any use or relevance to Sarna, but a lot of them are - they clarify or expand on detail in books, sometimes books that are extremely unlikely to see a reprint - and whenever Catalyst do an archive wipe and backup, the information is lost. It may be that the information over there isn't really of interest to editors here currently, but it strikes me that it would be useful to have some sort of page or area here where we can log questions and responses, with links back to the appropriate thread on the CGL site while it exists, so that editors here can see what's around and incorporate it into articles as they feel inclined. There's already a page running here for minor mercenary units that strikes me as serving a similar purpose - it logs mentions of units that may end up being expanded later, citing the original source. It feels like we're potentially losing relevant information, and while I don't know quite how it would be best to get that information across here, I do think we should try. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 03:28, 14 February 2012 (PST)<br />
:Whenever I refer to something that was put up on the Forum (especially official rulings), I usually copy the relevant parts to the article's talk page for reference. Check [[Talk:Kaznejoy]], for example. It's not a rule or policy, just something I do. But it does make sense imho, given that the forums are prone to being moved and losing data. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 03:59, 14 February 2012 (PST)<br />
::I've noticed you doing that, and while it works, it's not really what I was thinking of. I don't have an issue with people copying the relevant details into Talk pages instead of incorporating it into the text - whatever works for you as individual. What I'm concerned about is that I think that as basically the only BattleTech wiki of note out there, we should be trying to capture all of the relevant points raised within the Ask The Writers/Ask The Developers areas on the CGL website and preserving them here. At the moment, we only catch those that either have been raised as a result of someone here asking a question, or someone here reading something that catches their eye - rather than an organised effort to try and consistently capture the responses to questions raised by others and at least record them over here, even if they don't get incorporated into individual articles right away. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 06:12, 14 February 2012 (PST)<br />
:::Ah okay, so you're suggesting that BTW should actually archive and store all canonical rulings and statements from the Forums. That, I'm not subscribing to. Mind you, I wouldn't speak out against it, but this feels like doing CGL's work for them and is kinda besides this wiki's purview imho. In the past, they used to have a document called "Rulings by the Precentor Martial" or somesuch for download, a PDF compilation of rulings from Randall Bills from when he was Line Developer. That kind of documents could be hosted on Sarna in the download section (but not on the wiki) if CGL agrees. But I don't see us in a position to compile the file in the first place. What we can do (and are doing) is to find the relevant articles which are affected by a given ruling, and edit them accordingly - so while we're not neccessarily listing those rulings, they are present on BTW through their inclusion in the relevant articles. At least that's how it should be imho. (Hope this makes sense.) [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 12:35, 14 February 2012 (PST)<br />
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===BattleMech sub-page===<br />
Can a Sub page be created to sort the BattleMechs by availability and mortality dates. Say broken down by 10 or 50 year spans. I don't know if that is part of the data base or not.. Imrie Staffson 02:46, 11 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
:A sub-page would not be able to "sort" in the way a database does. A category could serve the purpose, but would be bad at it. We tried categories to sort battle values but eventually did away with them because they were ineffective. A wiki just isn't a database. --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 00:54, 12 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
::A timeline extension like this one [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:EasyTimeline Extension:EasyTimeline] would be an effective way to visually represent the availability of each mech. It would be a very tall timeline, but it would work. It would however require the admin of this site to install it, and it's a huge P.I.A. I tried on my wiki and gave up.<br />
:::Now that Nic has added Semantic Wiki to this wiki, it is very easy to create a sortable list of mechs and be able to sort them by production, extinction, or reintroduction dates. You can see this new [[BattleMech Timetable]] page lists all the Mechs. Specific instructions on how to add information to this table is included on that page, but basically instead of editing that page, you instead edit the specific BattleMech page. Once a BattleMech's page is edited, the information is automatically added to the timetable page. It will require quite a bit of time to research the dates for all the Mech's though, so it won't be complete for quite a while.--[[User:Seth|Seth]] 15:05, 15 February 2012 (PST)<br />
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===Deleting Spambot accounts===<br />
Spambots currently get blocked and deleted, but their accounts remain registered. This gives a warped look on active members on BTW. Is there any way to empower Admins to delete registered users? [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 11:43, 8 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
:I'm not sure. I'm waiting to hear back from Nic on several other issues, plus I have a number more to introduce. This ties in well with other access questions; I'll ask.--[[User:Revanche|Rev]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 13:05, 8 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Nic will need to install the "merge and delete users" extension. After that, normal admins will be able to delete all the registered spam bot accounts.--[[User:Seth|Seth]] 06:32, 2 February 2012 (PST)<br />
:::Now that the merge and delete extension has been installed, admins on here can go to the [[Special pages]] and use it. I would suggest creating one single spam bot account, then merge all spam bot accounts with that name. As you do that, you can delete their current account and any contributions they might have made.--[[User:Seth|Seth]] 15:33, 15 February 2012 (PST)<br />
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===Blocking Spammers===<br />
I've noticed a recent trend where spammers are creating User pages in which to hawk their links. '''Administrators''', please block the IP before deleting the page, so that we can start to cut down on these site attacks.<br />
Steps:<br />
# On [[Special:RecentChanges]], click on '''Block''' first.<br />
# Select a term length (my default is one year) from '''Expiry'''.<br />
# Select ''Spamming links to external sites'' in the '''Reason''' field.<br />
# Make sure ''Prevent account creation '' and ''Automatically block the last IP address used by this user, and any subsequent IPs they try to edit from '' are checked.<br />
# Click the '''Block this user''' button<br />
# Go back to [[Special:RecentChanges]] and click on the User page.<br />
# Delete it with fervor.<br />
Thanks. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 13:52, 6 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
: Hopefully the ReCaptcha plugin will help a bit with this. [[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] 23:46, 21 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Adding a request to users who are not Admins: Please do not edit spam pages, not even blanking/inserting a deletion tag. That just adds unneccessary edits and I'm not sure if spambots monitor activity in this way. The admins are patrolling the recent changes on a daily basis and will take care of spam by summarily deleting it. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 09:13, 26 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::I suggest editing the reCaptcha extension that is already installed to require users to enter the captcha if they add external links to their pages. Whoever is the admin simply needs to open the LocalSettings file, find the "$wgCaptchaTriggers['createaccount'] = true;" line which is already there and add "$wgCaptchaTriggers['addurl'] = true; ". Only takes a few seconds.{{Unsigned|Seth|00:14, 8 December 2011}}<br />
::::Seth, I am responding on your [[User talk:Seth|talk page]]. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 15:19, 8 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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===Suggestion:Transclusion===<br />
one thing that might be useful is mastering/implementing wiki transclusion (it scares me too much to try at this point, but its the only thing that appears to fit the bill)... --[[User:PerkinsC|Cameron]] 14:37, 2 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
main question is whither or not transclusion works here... if so, what things could be transcluded?--[[User:PerkinsC|Cameron]] 14:07, 4 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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====Mech variant Pages==== <br />
(Transcluding the "Overview" and/or "Battle History" Fluff from the Mechs Main Page) with the stats on the side being for the specific variant, This would have the advantage of transcluded Text being edited in one spot and the rest being page specific. --[[User:PerkinsC|Cameron]] 14:37, 2 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Best handled in [[Project_BattleMechs#Variant_Pages]]--[[User:PerkinsC|Cameron]] 14:07, 4 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I see what you're saying, but I think the very concept of transclusion is baffling to the majority of users, so it would be difficult to /require/. I guess I'd have no problem with an expert back-adapting an article to transclude, but I wouldn't make it part of the 'how to start' templates we have for beginning editors (and I still use those templates, myself).--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 17:00, 23 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::i've been more looking at transclusion with an "ohh my, that looks easy to do but hard to learn" perspective.. ::bugging eyes::, wonder if it would be easy enought to put into transclusion specific weapons or mech templates. Is there any one here with experience?--[[User:PerkinsC|Cameron]] 15:03, 8 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::[[User:Xoid|Xoid]] can do so rather easily, but he is more of a [[Colonial Marshal]] admin and isn't here too much. In the end, this project would have to be undertaken by someone who wants to work thru all affected 'Mechs and is willing to learn transclusion to do it. I've got the latter skills, but am too widely focused to deal only with 'Mechs. And, it sounds like some consensus on variant pages needs to be reached, before picking up that scale of a project, anyhow. I believe [[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] is the acting project head of [[BTW:PBM]] at the moment; I recommend you try and pitch your concept to him over there. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 15:44, 8 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::I'm not sure if anyone is still looking for this, but transcluding a section of existing mech pages is easy to do if the person who runs this wiki adds this extension [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Labeled_Section_Transclusion Extension:Labeled Section Transclusion]. Basically, if you take the Atlas article for example, you enclose the description paragraph with this tag, <nowiki><section begin=description /></nowiki> and end it with <nowiki><section end=description /></nowiki>, then any page where you add <nowiki>{{#lst:Atlas (BattleMech)|description}}</nowiki> will have that paragraph displayed. Easy right?--[[User:Seth|Seth]] 05:51, 8 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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====Weapon Variant Pages====<br />
Transclusion would Also be useful in Weapons, granted, on the BattleTech Scale, an Autocannon/20 is an Autocannon/20... But I am planning to do/have done some manufacturer / brand specific subpages for the weapons that would transclude the Macro/BattleTech Fluff from the main page for the weapon, and have Manufacturer/Brand specific RPG Stats, Eventually planning to do page and book references for where the information comes from.--[[User:PerkinsC|Cameron]] 14:37, 2 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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===Thudgun Omni Config Image Upload Request===<br />
I may just be new at this, but I am not sure how to add files to the downloads section. I have received a zip archive of all the 3050 omnimech configurations that were formerly hosted on thudgun.com (which has apparently been shut down). This has been a great resource for many people and I thought that posting these images on BTWiki would be the best possible place for them. With that, how do I upload these files, or if necessary, who do I send them to get them uploaded?<br />
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[[User:Stinger07|Stinger07]] 06:48, 12 March 2012 (PDT)Stinger07<br />
:Nic will need to upload that ZIP File to the Downloads section, I think. <br />
:However, if you're willing to do a little work you can upload them to the generic files section of the site yourself. I mean, you can upload each individual file to Sarna and include it on the relevant page. Interested in doing that?--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]]<sup>([[User_talk:Mbear|talk]])</sup> 08:11, 12 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Admin Help Requests (Completed) ==<br />
''Please move help requests here after the request is answered, with the latest (according to last answer) sorted to the top of this section.'''<br />
:''Note: Requests pertaining to specific spambots/spam users/spam edits are not archived. Please simply delete such requests here after dealing with the problem. The same goes for other minor requests such as the move or deletion of a misnamed article page.''<br />
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===Unable to Log In===<br />
I don't know what's going on with the wiki today, but I'm having a lot of problems accessing the site. Pages are taking 3-4 minutes to load; I attempted to do an edit of the [[2nd Canopian Light Horse]] entry, and despite trying to preview the changes half a dozen times and save the changes several times, every single time I got told that session data had been lost and I should try again. I've had the site fail to load, with an error page popping up announcing that there's some sort of problem; I've tried logging out, only to find that I now can't log in again - even when I use IE with internet cookies enabled, I get an error message announcing that I can't log in because I have cookies disabled. I notice from a comment just after midnight on Doneve's talk page that Neuling also appears to be unable to log in. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] [[Special:Contributions/81.105.60.101|81.105.60.101]] 06:09, 8 January 2012 (PST)<br />
:Neuling posted a similar problem. Myself, I was logged on and could access pages, but found it impossible to edit or create new articles. The site was also extremely slow. No idea what the problem was. As of writing this, the problem seems to be resolved, so I am moving this to the Completed section. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 10:26, 8 January 2012 (PST)<br />
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===Deletion Request===<br />
Can someone please delete this file? [[:File:OA RW 2583.png]] - it's one of a series of maps I've produced for an upcoming article on Operation UNION HOLD, the Star League invasion of the Outworlds Alliance during the Reunification War. Having made and uploaded it, as I prepared notes for the article I discovered a couple of mistakes; I considered uploading a revised version of the map, but then decided that the map was entirely too cluttered to be particularly helpful, and have instead replaced it with two new maps. Whereas this map tried to cover all of the combat actions in 2583, the replacement maps cover actions up until March 2583 (the invasion of Cerberus) and then the remainder of 2853. That makes this original map both inaccurate and redundant. Many thanks! [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 07:49, 24 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Done. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 08:00, 24 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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===Add MWLL to sidebar?===<br />
As there is now a decent article written on [[Mechwarrior:Living Legends]], could it be linked in the sidebar under Homebrew Game Systems? --[[User:Cygma|Cygma]]<br />
:Ähm, i canot see any link, and i think you have not the permission to do this, please talk to a addmin to have a permission to do this, and as second Living Legends is allway added as BT product and ís not need a link in the sidebar. --[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 17:01, 12 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Oops, link fixed. Talking to admins is exactly why i am writing here? If there is a specific admin i should contact feel free to tell me...<br />
::And why should it not be added to "Homebrew Game Systems"? Other non-commercial projects are already linked there... --[[User:Cygma|Cygma]] 03:25, 16 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::I may be wrong, but I believe all of the games under that listing allow you to play Classic BattleTech. I don't know anything about MW:LL, but if it's based on Crysis, then I can't imagine that's possible. --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 22:11, 16 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::Seeing how the "Official Game Systems" lists Mechwarrior games i thought the "Homebrew" part was similar for non-official releases etc. based on CBT (which MW:LL is too). If it's only for tabletop-like sytems, my misunderstanding ;) --[[User:Cygma|Cygma]] 00:20, 17 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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===New project for BT technology===<br />
I have been looking through some of the pages on technology and there seem to be some missing while many pages that do exist have cleanup tags on them. Additionally work is ongoing to clean up the [[Jump Jet]] Page and some pages such as the ones for fusion engines would use a similar cleanup to their manufacturers lists. I was wondering if it would be appropriate to make a new BTW project focused on improving and maintaining the pages on technology and equipment. If that is acceptable how does one go about getting a project started and gathering a team of people to help out with it? --[[User:BirdofPrey|BirdofPrey]] 18:58, 13 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
:*Very good idea, i want to help you by this project.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 20:29, 13 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
:*BirdofPrey...not hard at all. And I think you've identified an area that would definitely benefit from such coordination. What most people do is copy an exisiting project page and modify it to meet their objectives. As for getting people, direct contact would be the best bet: notify those that you know have interest or have made significant edits to technology-related articles. However, I will be glad to post both the project and a news announcement to the front page, when you have the site ready. Let me know, ok?--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 21:03, 13 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
::I started on writing a project page, but I have no idea how to create templates. I was hoping to get what the other projects have that say 'this page falls under our project' and was thinking we need infoboxes for equipment like what weapons already have (I was also thinking the boxes for weapons could be expanded to list rules level and the availability rating) Can anyone help me in that regard?--[[User:BirdofPrey|BirdofPrey]] 22:45, 13 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Use the search function and type Category:Infbox templates, i think this helps you :).--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 22:54, 13 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Tried copying another projects banner and editing it to link to the tech project, but I'm not sure I know how to work it right.--[[User:BirdofPrey|BirdofPrey]] 23:37, 13 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::I think Revanche can helps, talk to him.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 23:41, 13 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
::So after looking at other info box templates, I have determined that have no clue how they work. Can somebody who does know how they work make one for equipment or expand the weapons infobox to be able to be used for all equipment whether it does damage or not (or point me in the direction of some instructions on how to do it myself)?--[[User:BirdofPrey|BirdofPrey]] 01:44, 14 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::The weapon IFB template has been so modified. --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 01:55, 14 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::Thanks. That also gives me insight into what pieces of code accomplish what. I have a couple of additional questions, electronics have their own category, does that have to be listed on the template page to show up properly or can I put it in the copy on the equipment page. Also, since weapons fall under the purview of the tech project anyways, would altering the list of categories in the weapon infobox template's type section to follow the equipment types in the latest rulebooks be appropriate? (it lists ballistic and energy but TW prefaces both of those with direct fire, missiles are listed as explosive which is a different type entirely according to the table in TW, a few types such as anti-infantry and heat causing are missing, etc.)--[[User:BirdofPrey|BirdofPrey]] 02:28, 14 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
::I am probably going to spend the next 5 days being totally anal about the project page, but you can go ahead and announce it now.--[[User:BirdofPrey|BirdofPrey]] 04:42, 14 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Done: Newsburst and placement on Current Projects.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 14:57, 14 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::If you want categories for direct-fire weapons and such, I would just create new categories for them rather than trying to migrate all weapons to all-new categories. Since it sounds to me like you want to create new categories, that's probably something you should discuss on an appropriate talk page. --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 23:46, 14 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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===Republic of the Sphere===<br />
Hello everyone, i noticed something odd about the [[The Republic of the Sphere]], there are advertisement inserted into the wording of the article that non-Sarna.net related items. Words that are effected "special" "administration" "the planet". I tried edit remove them, but they don't appear (from what i can tell) in the normal coding a editor usually can see. My time online is limited, so i can't rebuild what was effected. I can't even tell how it happened or if this a site issue. I haven't looked at older articles to see if this non-sense is happening else where. Help? -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 02:17, 7 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Wrangler, at first I was really confused (and obviously concerned) by what you reproted here. I've checked into it, but don't see anything in the normal view, nor the coding. However, I do recall being irked by certain (other) sites that embed advertising links into words, as if they were wikilinks. I don't see them here (on this site nor in my IE6 work browser), but suspect the problem may be on your end. Its very possible you have some sort of 'addition' to your browser that creates HTML links on-the-fly, leading you to bogus search engines that sell advertising per click. In other words, as you load up a page, the script now attached to your browser scans the page for words and chooses a few that have been pegged by their clients as advertising search terms. Question: do the links display differently for you than the typical wikilinks we use here?--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 13:33, 7 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::They did look differient, they lead to out-side websites. However, i just looked at them now and their gone. Their like ads that hidden in the text of webpages. Taking words of the original fluff and making them links should the user click on them. I recently had a problem with my browser and cranked up my security which may explain why i'm not seeing them anymore. I think they maybe coming from internet ads sarna advertises. I don't enough about web codes to explain it better. It maybe randomly happening to articles and vanishing from them. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 23:39, 12 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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===Weapons infobox===<br />
Has gone haywire. Since I don't know how the infobox code works I don't want to muck with it further. Take a look at [[Autocannon/10]] for example, or I guess pretty much any weapon page... -- [[User:LRichardson|LRichardson]] 17:30, 27 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:What does "gone haywire" mean? What should I be seeing on the Autocannon/10 page that isn't correct?--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 17:41, 27 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Hmm... Well, when I look at it right now the box has disappeared and has turned into a text only list at the top of the article, justified left. Now, I use one of the alternate themes when viewing the site, perhaps that has something to do with it? <pokepokepoke>... Sure enough, the issue is only occurring when I am using the "Modern" skin on my preferences page, the box looks fine when I use the Sarna skin. Hmm... -- [[User:LRichardson|LRichardson]] 18:26, 27 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Mbear, I don't see what LRichardson reports, but other than the infobox, the page is bleached of color and the sidebar is occluded from under the site logo all the way to 'MechForce (Amiga)', with the exception of the search box. I'm using IE7 (at the moment) and 'Sarna' skin.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 14:07, 28 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::I was the last one to edit the Weapons Info Box, and any mistakes i made would have shown up well before now (i checked), i have not made changes to the format of the imfobox... what else could be causing it? are any other templates getting funky?--[[User:PerkinsC|Cameron]] 19:21, 28 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::OK. It looks like Nic's removed the "modern" skin and left seven Sarna-related skins in it's place. When I change to the "Classic" skin, all the infoboxes are set at the top of the page, as are the category links. Some investigation showed that this was due to the fact that the wikistandard CSS file doesn't contain any positioning information for those page elements. In short, LRichardson will have to use one of the other skins to get the infobox correct. Sorry about that answer, but it's the best I can do. :( --[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 17:49, 13 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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===Naming of Weapons/Equipment Variant Pages===<br />
Which would be preferred for these? Currently i am doing "Manufacturer or Brand"/"Model" (with disambig style weapon type) so it is [[General Motors/Whirlwind (AC-5)]] for the Marauders weapon. but I wonder if it would be more (useful/in keeping with the nomenclature here) to do [[Autocannon/5/General Motors/Whirlwind]]--[[User:PerkinsC|Cameron]] 14:37, 2 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
:The problem with using "/"s is that the wiki interprets that to be a subpage. As it is now, the Whirlwind article is a subpage of General Motors, not Autocannon/5, which I assume to be your intention. Of course, there is also the problem that MediaWiki thinks "Autocannon/5" is a subpage of "Autocannon". --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 23:55, 4 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
::not really a problem... would be better if WikiMedia interpeted SRM-4 as a subpage for SRM as it does Autocannon/5 as a subpage of Autocannon - this would better fit BattleTech Nomenclature. the essence of my question was whither {Manufacturer/Brand (disambig)} would fit or if it was deemed better to do {Weapon Type/SubType/Manufacturer/Brand}. I like the {Manufacturer/Brand (disambig)} style because it can get away with doing the brand name or add the disambig for equipment type if necessary as opposed to using the larger name space required for the page to branch off the Autocannon/5 page (less typing is always better)--[[User:PerkinsC|Cameron]] 16:18, 23 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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===PDF files not acceptable?===<br />
A while back I composed myself a PDF of a blank mapsheet. It is a vector graphics based file suitable for high resolution printing. I wanted to link to it on the mapsheets page I created but I cannot upload it. Rasterizing the image would make it huge as the file is referenced at 600dpi x 27" x 22", as a PDF it is a managable size. Any suggestions? -- [[User:LRichardson|LRichardson]] 04:52, 27 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:A while ago we deliberately limited the file formats that could be uploaded. The wiki format is unsuitable as a file repository and (iirc) our Bureaucrat and site owner Nic said it generated too much traffic. We do have a download section on this site, and I would suggest you contact Nic Jansma ([[User:Nicjansma]]) and ask him to put your PDF there. (Admittedly, the download section is sort of a stepchild on this site and has not been upgraded for years - one of the many things on the to-do list... :) ). [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 05:59, 27 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Makes sense. Thanks for the direction.-- [[User:LRichardson|LRichardson]] 17:27, 27 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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===Quick-Strike Rules Article Request===<br />
Hello there. Since were getting a bunch of products for the ''Quick-Strike Rules'', i think we may need have a article dedicate it. Unit Cards are for use of the new version of Battleforce, but their intended for Quick-Strike. Is possible to find someone write it up? I'm not that savy writing up game system type articles. I can try, but they don't not always write up good articles on game rules as i would like. Would there be someone out there would could write this article? It seems becoming bigger thing since these rules and products are also linked to [[BattleForce]] as products like unit cards go -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 18:00, 27 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Go ahead and try (aka, "'''[[Be Bold]]'''"). Even if the wording doesn't come out good, another editor may eventually clean it up. On big subjects, I personally prefer badly-worded content to no content at all (YMMV). However, that only applies to high-profile topics. Everybody contributing on BTW should generally try to write good articles so as not to tie up other editor's time for copyediting the sloppy work of others. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 11:30, 23 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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===Removal of an article===<br />
I made a minor error and created the page "Branth (species)" by accident. I have created a correct page "Branth" that can stay so do not delete the incorrect one. My apologies! [[User:CungrVanck|CungrVanck]] 00:35, 20 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Done. Consider using the "move" button next time (this will also create a redirect from the old article to the new one). Finally, please add new requests to the top, not the bottom, of the list. :) [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 06:47, 20 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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===Crybaby throwing a tantrum===<br />
Maybe I'm just being dense, but I can't get the front page display the reworked news section correctly for the life of me. Now I somehow messed up the front page (not too badly luckily). Help appreciated in getting the formatting back on track. :( [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 09:42, 21 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
:It looks like you accidentally deleted the table row that holds the Chatterweb stuff. I put it back and I think we're all good now.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 12:15, 21 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
::"Assistance Appreciated" (as in, Award 2nd ribbon given, plus Problem Solver award) :) [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 12:46, 21 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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===Davion Brigade of Guards===<br />
Hy guys, i found a problem in the Davion Brigade section, i cant see the unit insignia images, is it a wiki problem, then the images are uploaded.Thanks--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 14:08, 6 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
:? Looks fine to me - the insignia are all there where they belong. I guess there's been a connection problem on your end or something like that. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 18:21, 6 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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===Cleanup Template===<br />
Hello Admins, can we make the [[Template:cleanup|Cleanup Template]] a little bit, (the words are in my head, but my english writing :()...i think he needs a new outfit ;), it looks very sterile and and, any ideas or response.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 02:53, 14 January 2011 (UTC) <br />
:Can you elaborate on what you feel is wrong with the template? Personally, I like short and concise wording and I think the template conveys exactly what it is meant to say in a sober, matter-of-fact way. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 11:30, 23 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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===Category: Dark Age Mechs===<br />
I've been looking at the [[:Category: Dark Age Mechs|category]] that currently exists with that name, because it always bugs me that it doesn't fit in with the naming conventions used for other BattleMech categories. In my mind, it should read '''Category:Dark Age BattleMechs''', but it isn't just BattleMechs, as IndustrialMechs are included in the category too. I'm thinking it should then be '''Category:Dark Age 'Mechs''' (with the apostrophe), but then it still seems like it is different than what the name ''suggests.'' Help me wrap my mind around this?--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 13:25, 1 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
::(Using heavy duty scotch tape for wrapping of Rev's mind) Hi there. I have not been involved with the new Dark Age 'Mech. However, i've noticed mis-labelling of sorts. [[Carbine]] for instance resemble the [[ConstructionMech]], but its not same machine. I believe what defines a mech is dark age is something constructed after the During or after the Jihad. Were starting to see alot age old Succession War 'Mechs as well Clan Era machine show up. Xanthos for example is Age of War design, yet it was resurrected during the Jihad, but it appeared in MWDA game system first. How do you define such large era machine? I think best way to keep it simple. Since the at moment, Dark Age Era for Battletech starts immediately after the Jihad <3081>(which i don't agree it should.) Were going see alot of the old fan favorites end up in the Jihad. Dark Age mech used to only exist in its own time period. Original, Dark Age ment it priemer and was used in with MechWarrior click game or was something related to it, like characters. Were going have alot dublication with category if were not careful. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 14:20, 1 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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===Watchlist===<br />
Why does the option show all doesn't work? I can only see changes from the last 7 days but the option show all should show me changes from the last 30 days. --[[User:BigDuke66|BigDuke66]] 10:31, 11 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I'm not sure. Nic? --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 19:06, 20 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
::The default "max days" is 7 -- but I've bumped this up to 30 days for you. I couldn't verify it was working properly -- please let me know if you still only see 7 days. [[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] 17:40, 1 March 2009 (PST)<br />
:::Still strange, in my preferences I tried to set the "Days to show in recent changes:" higher then 7 and also set the "Maximum number of days to show in watchlist:" higher but anything higher then 7 will be set to 7 and when I use the "all" option on my watchlist I get about 10 days. --[[User:BigDuke66|BigDuke66]] 07:43, 3 March 2009 (PST)<br />
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===Fan Fiction Category===<br />
I was checking out the fan fiction page, and it seems to have a lot of images in the fan fiction category. I would suggest making a sub category for fan made images. I created a Category:Fan Made Art which is a sub-category of Category:Fan Fiction. I also made a Template:Fanon Art page. Adding the <nowiki>{{Fanon Art}}</nowiki> tag to those images instead of <nowiki>{{Fanon}}</nowiki> will add the same red fanon tag at the top of the page, but add it the subcategory instead. --[[User:Seth|Seth]] 23:27, 22 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
:I agree with the idea solely based on the wish to remove the images from the main category. But I wouldn't want to differentiate the plethora of existing Fan Work beyond that. Also, suggest to rename the sub-cat "Fanmade Images". [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 11:30, 23 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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===Import Image Award Nomination===<br />
I'd like to nominate [[User:Doneve|Doneve]] for an Import Image Award (the third, in this case), for the work being put into the [[BattleTechWiki:Project Planets/Planet Overhaul/Faction Map Gallery|reference gallery]] of map images for the Planets Project. Doneve is doing far more than just cropping images and uploading them; each of the images is being adjusted by hand to show only the subject nations, with borders, arrows, legends and other such devices removed. There are more than 30 images already created and uploaded by Doneve, and in the vast majority of cases they are the first dedicated map of that region uploaded into the general maps gallery as well. While there's a lot of work still to be done, I think Doneve has already made a big investment of time and effort into producing legible, high-quality maps for use by the project team and the wiki users in general. Thank you for your consideration. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 16:42, 12 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Thanks a lot BrokenMnemonic, for your nomination, and nice to have you on sarna.net, and specially to have you on our three combo team, to overhaul the planet pages.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 17:02, 12 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Nomination received. Thank you. --[[User:Revanche|Rev]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 17:13, 12 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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===Help Request in labeling a non-canon image(s)===<br />
Howdy, someone uploaded a non-canon imagine of the [[:File:2750th.png|Terran Hegemony Map]]. There no label stating it is fan-made and not a product of canon source. Does anyone know what were suppose to do about this? I've not dealth with a direct png image before. Usually these things have page that gives direction of the imagine. Someone thought that image that was uploaded was canon. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 02:34, 17 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
:OK. What you have to do is put in a link to the image like this: <nowiki>[[Image:2750th.png|Terran Hegemony Map]]</nowiki>. This will include the image on the page. From there, you can click the image and you'll be taken to the image's wiki page. Then you can add the tag you need.<br />
:In this case it looks like someone has beaten you to it.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 17:46, 17 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::It was me, I stumbled onto the source of the image. I was able track the non-canon image from person whom uploaded them. I've labeled it non-canon long with bunch of others that were uploaded as well. I'm sorry for cause a fuss, but i hated to see Sarna.net rep possibly damaged. Making people think we have unorganized non-canon stuff looming around possing as canon material. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 18:24, 17 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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=== Update to DropShip and WarShip infoboxes===<br />
[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] and [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] made a request on [[User_talk:Mbear#DropShip_-_WarShip_etc...|my talk page]] to make these modifications:<br />
# Update the DropShip infobox to include an '''Escape Pod/Life Boat''' line like the WarShip infobox.<br />
# Update the DropShip infobox to include an '''AeroSpace Fighter capacity''' line.<br />
# Update the WarShip infobox to include an '''AeroSpace Fighter capacity''' line.<br />
I've taken care of the first request. It won't show up until an editor puts in the Escape Pod/Life Boat information so existing DropShip articles don't break.<br />
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On #2 and #3, I pushed back a bit and suggested that we consider '''Small Craft capacity''' instead of '''AeroSpace Fighter capacity'''. Ships like the [[Nekohono'o]] class can carry 6 ASF + 9 Battle Taxis for example, but they can also swap out the taxis and carry 15 ASF if required.<br />
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Any thoughts on this?--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 13:28, 6 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Since I haven't heard anything, I went ahead and implemented the new lines. They're in place now.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 14:49, 10 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
::add both small craft and asf capacity... The masses of the bay are differnt--[[User:PerkinsC|Cameron]] 05:46, 9 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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===Moratorium Periods===<br />
Hey guys - what's the easiest way to find out if the material from a particular work is fair game to be cited in an article? [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 21:19, 21 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Usually, the moratorium tag in the article about a given work will state when the moratorium expires. See [[Historical Turning Points: Galtor]] as an example - it says the moratorium on this publication expires after 1 April 2010. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]]<br />
:Hy falls Record Sheets: 3060 Unabridged under the moratorium phase or it is done.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 09:36, 9 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
::According to http://www.battlecorps.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=27_35_208&products_id=2417, the moratorium period expired. --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 15:26, 9 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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===Request for Article Review===<br />
I was wondering if I could get a review of my [[Battle of Mars]] article. I'm always interested in feedback. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 18:52, 5 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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===Requesting template When?===<br />
Now that we are working on year pages and trying to improve date info it would be very useful to have Template:When to mark need of more info.<br />
See: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:When Template:When]<br />
--[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 19:47, 30 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Done. I would suggest adding some language to [[Policy:Year Pages]] about making sure that dates in articles are unambiguous. --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 01:51, 31 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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=== SturmFeur(Update)) ===<br />
The [[SturmFeur(update)]] is directly from 3039 which I now understand is copyrite infrengement. I do not want to claim ownership for someone elses work. How do I create this page and keep it cannon? <br />
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Also the orginal article [[SturmFeur]] article for 3026 is completely different from the article in 3039. I'm not sure how to merge them. <br />
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I have removed the content from the [[SturmFeur(update)]] page until we can get the copyrite resolved.<br />
--[[User:jherbert2|jherbert2]] 15:37, 25 March 2010 (UTC)jherbert<br />
:Thanks for being so proactive on this, jherbert2. I commented on the [[SturmFeur(update)]]'s discussion page. Don't give up; its not easy, but each of the existing articles are labors of love. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 19:27, 25 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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===Greetings===<br />
I wish the Admins and other user's a merry christmas and a habby new year.Lets roll on. [[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 08:07, 25 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Thanks!--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 18:12, 5 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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===Subcategory for C3 equipped unit?===<br />
Hi, I haven't contributed much but I have found the site to be very useful so thanks for all your work. I've used BTW a lot lately as I have recently started to build up my mini collection and BTW has helped me with selecting ones I want to buy. I have a Tai Sho and since it has C3 Master capability, I would like to pick up some compatible Slave-equipped Mechs. I was wondering if it would be possible to set up a subcategory of units that have C3 equipment? That would be helpful in picking lances as well as buying minis. If I can help, please let me know. [[User:Maddog3025|Maddog3025]] 05:09, 29 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
:For all of the other Editors here, thanks for the appreciation. I'm not too heavily involved in the [[BattleTechWiki:Project BattleMechs|BattleMech Project]] anymore, but its gratifying to hear that people are using our work in such an involved way ''and'' get feedback on it.<br />
:As for the Category, I think it is a great idea. If a category has a perceived need and it can be filled with more than a minimum number of articles, then it is, frankly, needed. So, don't feel like you need approval to build it, ok? Now, the issue will be in finding someone who has the interest in doing so, if you do not. As editorship on BTW is open to everyone, it is no one person's specific responsibility. My suggestion would be to look at Project:BattleMechs and find someone listed there who is active now and approach them. Or, if you let me know, I can start the category for you and show you how to tag one such article, so you can go in and find the others. (It'd be relatively easy, using C3 as a search term, I'd think.)--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 12:28, 29 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
::I've created some new categories to do this. I'll be adding them to the appropriate 'Mech pages in the future.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 18:11, 29 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Of course it would help if I had put the link in place: [[:Category:C3_Equipped_BattleMechs]]--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 18:12, 29 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::All done.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 00:34, 30 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::Wow, that was quick! Thank you Mbear. Revanche- you are welcome for the compliment. I've been using the site a lot and its been handy on many occasions. This format is so great as it allows you to sort things in so many ways. I looked through the vehicle list and noted some missing ones, so I'll be glad to create a few of those and you guys can tidy up my crude efforts. Have a good weekend, all! [[User:Maddog3025|Maddog3025]] 01:26, 30 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::Hi again, I guess I won't quite let this thread die. I apologize if I leave this request in the wrong place. I have created the Bandit hovercraft and I am working on the Plainsman. I think I've done a bit better than my previous attempt on the Alacorn. However, if you have any tips for me to improve my work (and maybe reduce the amount of bugs you guys have to fix, please shoot me an email. Thanks again. ```` {{Unsigned|Maddog3025|11:37, 31 January 2010 }}<br />
::::::: I'll take a look. Look at the article history to see my changes as an idea on how to step in the right direction. Also, just a tip: its a nice idea to wikilink to articles you mention in your post, to make it easier to have people look at what you'd like, such as [[Plainsman]] and [[Bandit]]. Glad you're onboard. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 18:57, 31 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I have added similar categories for C3 equipped combat vehicles since I found the categories for mechs so useful and wanted to expand that usefulness to vehicles. Any hep with adding vehicles to the new categories is appreciated. [[User:BirdofPrey|BirdofPrey]] 08:03, 12 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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=== Plagiarism ===<br />
I noticed that most of the content on the [[Free_Worlds_League/History]] page is taken directly from the [[20 Year Update]] section on the Free Worlds League. (The military ranks and history sections appear to be new.) I went ahead and put the Plagarism template on the relevant sections. (I'm not able to get to it right now.) --[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 01:44, 28 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Thanks, Mbear. It doesn't require fixing by the discovery, just tagging, such as you did. The [[BattleTechWiki:ToDo|To Do List]] will count and track such tags, for Editors seeking something to improve upon. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 12:22, 29 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
=== Updated Weapon InfoBox Template ===<br />
''Not a help request, but I wanted you to see this.'' I put together a lot of information about Capital Weapons, which include an '''extreme''' range bracket. Since the current weapon infobox doesn't have the extreme range data field, and not all weapons have it, I created a new InfoBox that will include the extreme range bracket info if it's present. This will allow the Aerospace fighter ranges on the appropriate weapon page, without breaking the existing content.<br />
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I named the sample infobox [[Template:InfoBoxWeaponMB]] so I wouldn't overwrite anything. You can see it in action at [[User:Mbear/Infoboxtest]]. If you like the update, it should be easy to copy to the existing template. Have a good one!--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 18:10, 26 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Good job, man. Great addition. Feel free to replace the exisiting with that one. I can't see how consensus would not be in approval. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 19:27, 26 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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=== MWDA Dossiers: How do I link to local copies? ===<br />
You may remember that [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] pointed to the MWDA dossiers on Warrenborn.com and I separated the multipage PDF files into a set of single page PDFs ([[User:Mbear/MWDADossiers|listed here]]). My question is how to update the reference links to point to these local resources. The [[Atlas_(BattleMech)|Atlas]] page uses a complete URL for the link, and I'm wondering if that's the best solution or if I should use a '''File''' or '''Image''' tag. Thanks! --[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 18:50, 31 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
:For this specific instance, I think linking to them as is done now works just fine. --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 05:27, 1 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Unfortunately, linking to them like that fails. For some reason, URL links don't need a pipe between the address and the link title, only a space. I've removed the piping from the Atlas examples. Oh, and I agree: I like linking to them as you have done, also. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 05:44, 1 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::OK. I'll just use the standard link type <nowiki>[[URL Linktext]]</nowiki> Thanks!--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 22:06, 4 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::I think you mean <nowiki>[URL Linktext]</nowiki> (i.e., one open/close bracket each), but saying so, just in case.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 22:16, 4 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::Yes, that's exactly what I meant. I wasn't incorrect; I was testing you. {{Emoticon| ;) }} You passed! Congratulations! Go get yourself a cookie.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 14:54, 5 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::"[http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nom Nom, nom nom]." While it's the thought that counts, now I have to re-log into Sarna to replace my cookie. Thanks, anyway. {{Emoticon| ;) }}--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 15:01, 5 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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===Question:Uploading Pictures===<br />
Currently Engaged in creating pages for infantry weapons, wondering how/where to upload images. Main issue beyond my ignorance is Whither or not to Upload the Weapon images which for the first batch would be Sourced from TR3026. I Make the Assumption that this would be OK since we have Mech Images Here. The Other Alternative is to use WikiMedia Commons images from Real World Weapons that resemble the TR3026 artwork. --[[User:PerkinsC|Cameron]] 15:03, 5 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Completed and moved--[[User:PerkinsC|Cameron]] 14:07, 4 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Product scans are fine. --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 15:37, 5 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Thanks, is there a Help/Procedure article for how to upload images? --[[User:PerkinsC|Cameron]] 15:45, 5 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::DOH Never Mind, Found it in the Menu Bar on the Right under Tools... Now, how do you alter the name of an Image File? Wasn't Thinking when I uploaded the First 10 or so. --[[User:PerkinsC|Cameron]] 17:50, 5 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Just click 'move' at the top tab menu. It works that way for articles, too. --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 20:51, 5 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::"Move" does not appear to be available on the image page, the only tabs that i see are "File", "Discussion", "Edit", "History", "Unwatch".--[[User:PerkinsC|Cameron]] 22:50, 5 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Move is actually only for Admins {{emoticon|:P}}. I can move it for you if you give me the exact name. The easiest thing to do, though, is to upload the image again with the correct name and place a delete request on the old image. It's what I do on a lot of other wikis. --<span style="font-family:Courier">[[User:Ebakunin|Ebakunin]]</span> <sup>([[User talk:Ebakunin|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Ebakunin|contribs]])</sup> 03:28, 6 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::Was wondering if that was the only way, will do. Thanks all.--[[User:PerkinsC|Cameron]] 14:19, 6 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Completed and moved--[[User:PerkinsC|Cameron]] 14:07, 4 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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===Question:Naming Pictures===<br />
What is considered "Best Practices" when naming image files, IOW which File Name is Preferred for a filesourced from Page 123 of Technical Readout 3026 depicting a Dart Gun.<br />
*A: "Dart_Gun.jpg"<br />
*B: "Dart_Gun-TR3026"<br />
*C: "Dart_Gun_-_TR3026_p123.jpg"<br><br />
PRO for C is that the Book and page from the origin is included in the file name, the CON is that it is an aweful lot of typing.<br />
PRO for A is that it has less typing, CON is that does not allow for multiple pictures from different sources.<br />
PRO for B is that it allows for multiple named sources while also having a reduced name.<br />
--[[User:PerkinsC|Cameron]] 17:23, 8 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I use "A", then use the description to list to rest of the information. Check out [[:File:Atlas_II.jpg]] for an example. --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 00:24, 9 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
::the first 10 or 15 I uploaded used *C (search for TR3026), I would appreciate renaming (since both renaming and uploading again w/deletion of old would require Admin Intervention)... then i came to my senses... Question still remains for Duplicates w/Newer sources, such as weapons that had artwork published in each of [[MechWarrior,_First_Edition|MechWarrior: First Edition]], [[Technical Readout: 3026]], [[MechWarrior,_Second_Edition|MechWarrior: Second Edition]], [[MechWarrior Companion]], [[MechWarrior,_Third Edition|MechWarrior: Third Edition]] or [[Classic BattleTech RPG]], [[LosTech: The MechWarrior Equipment Guide]], and [[Classic BattleTech Companion]]. One thing that I am thinking of is weapon pages w/images of each iteration similar to what I saw on a page for a BattleMech. would it be <br />
*A: Dart_Gun.jpg, Dart_Gun(1).jpg, Dart_Gun(2).jpg<br />
*B: Dart_Gun.jpg, Dart_Gun-LT.jpg, Dart_Gun-TR3026.jpg, Dart_Gun-3e.jpg, etc with the most up to date being the main undifferenced file as well as having a file name diferenced for the source.--[[User:PerkinsC|Cameron]] 17:49, 9 September 2009 (UTC) <br />
:::To be honest, I rarely give it any thought. I generally leave it the way it was originally named, if it came from another online source or name it appropriately if I scanned it myself. If it conflicts with another already named pic, the page will tell you before uploading.<br />
:::The problem with a naming convention is that it adds another level of complexity to adminship, as it cannot be as easily solved as page names. Plus, I don't know of any Editors that will be policing for that. I agree, it would be very nice to have source included -in fact, I think it should be required- but it doesn't have to be in the name, as it can easily be found in the pic summary. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 18:15, 9 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Question is more about Preference than Requirement. If the parenthetical number style is preferred then I could do that. Main thing is that I plan to raid all my books for images of RPG weapons and plan to name the files to fit the "Best Practices" here as I do so for easy uploading. I know of many weapons that are in at least 3 different Sources. Went A ...little... Overboard with having the page number in the file name, but other than that what best fits?--[[User:PerkinsC|Cameron]] 18:25, 9 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::I'd say whatever scheme works best for you. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 19:51, 9 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::Thaaaanks... As my fiancee would say if asked, I positively suck at making decisions :)--[[User:PerkinsC|Cameron]] 21:43, 9 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::::No problem. You actually pay me to make decisions (and I pay you back here by doing it for free). {{Emoticon| :) }} Personal note: I still have your SL 'book' (following two tours since you loaned it to me). Once I unpack it (again), I'll have a (free) offer for you to put it back in book form. More later. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 21:57, 9 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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===Category Page Cludge?===<br />
To the coders of the bunch: some categories (such as the [[:Category:Characters|Characters]] one) don't display all of the sub-categories, due to some setting that limits the number per page. Can we force it to show all sub-categories on the mother cat's main page?--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 19:07, 25 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Unfortunately not. This is a problem with the wiki itself and would require rewriting some of the essential code. Very large wikis like [http://starwars.wikia.com starwars] solve the problem by not placing all individuals in the ''individual'' category but only in the related subdirectories. --<span style="font-family:Courier">[[User:Ebakunin|Ebakunin]]</span> <sup>([[User talk:Ebakunin|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Ebakunin|contribs]])</sup> 19:59, 25 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Hmmm, yeah, I see the point. So, in order to get people to see all available categories -so that they use the proper categories- we'd have to categorize everyone not yet in a sub-category. Okay...thanks for the tip, Ebakunin. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 21:53, 25 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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===Admin To-Do List===<br />
[[Talk:3053|Locis']] comments got me thinking about how we've been handling policy creation. I know that some policies that need to be written have fallen through the cracks. I would like to suggest that admins update the [[BattleTechWiki:ToDo |To Do List]] with policies that need creating when a discussion reaches consensus with a link back to the talk page in question. I know that policy writing is a pain, but it needs to be done. I'm probably the most guilty party here, but I think if we can get better organized, it will make the process easier. --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 17:58, 11 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Agreed. I'll start considering needed policies, look around WP for inspiration. Would like to stress, though, that policies are the purview of all Editors, not just Admins. This isn't aimed at Scaletail, at all: every visitor here gets a voice on BTW, and staying silent implies endorsement of the consensus. Readers that haven't edited are just as responsible for the direction of the wiki as the most industrious Editors and Admins. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 18:35, 11 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Okay, I've spent a lot of time reading various Wikipedia policies and found subject areas I think we should address. However, we've got a lot more narrow scope than WP and I'm fairly certain that these policies won't address all of our needs. All Editors (not just admins) are free to suggest ideas (and even to write policy). --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 14:16, 13 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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===Community 'Forum' Name===<br />
I think its time we had a page where quick questions & answers can be asked, that don't necessarily relate to editing or admin requests. Things like:<br />
*"What was the name of that one non-Mark that became Captain-General in the war against the Sarna Supremacy?" --[[UserDude]]<br />
*"Hey...working on the article for ''Masters and Minions.'' Anyone have the production code for it?" --[[KuritaFan]]<br />
*"So...anyone think LAMs as ground vehicles, like maybe support vehicles, would be cool? I have some killer ideas." --[[LadiesMan217]]<br />
The idea would really be to provide quick answers, not so much conversations (in spite of that subtle last one), which would be directed to the Sarna forums. We'd archive it every quarter or so. This would be something similar to the Research Desk on Wikipedia. The question is: what should it be called? Chatterweb is already taken...ideas?--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 02:46, 14 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Okay, due to lack of overall interest, and based on my forthcoming essay about the 'character' of the site (i.e., a portal for research at the University of Sarna), I'm going to call this 'forum' the Research Desk. Please find it on the top right of the [[Main Page]].--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 01:19, 20 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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===Banned Vandal attempting to get a new account?===<br />
I think you have a banned vandal attempting to get a new account. But this wiki has no where shown to send the information, and edits don't seem to be leaving any trace that they have been successful. http://www.fixya.com/support/t2634796-blocked_from_editing_www_sarna_net {{unsigned|72.183.119.36}}<br />
:Thanks. Responded to them at Fixya. --[[User:Xoid|Xoid]] 23:00, 19 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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===CCG Artist Randy Asplund===<br />
Just as a notice, in return for no objection to the use of his art on BTW, I said I'd provide a link back to Randy Asplund's website on the image pages and [[Randy Asplund]] article. I don't imagine any Editors will have an issue with this arrangement. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 05:27, 16 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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===Custom 'Mechs in Regular Categories?===<br />
Would like to get a feeling for consensus here: should fanon units be listed under categories (I had presumed) reserved for canon units. For example, [[Gatling]] is added to the BattleMechs | Medium BattleMechs | 45 ton BattleMechs | Free World's League BattleMechs categories. To be honest, I'd shy away from that and lump them under the catchall category of [[:Category:BattleMechsCustom]]. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 21:35, 10 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
:According to our [[Policy:Canon]], this wiki expressly tolerates custom/Fanon (fan-made non-canonical information) content under the premise that it is clearly marked as such. It think that, by extension, this requires Fanon articles be kept out of the categories.<br />
:Personally, I even feel strongly against but as you may know I am of the opinion that Fanon content is detrimental to the image of this wiki anyways. (I've been overruled on this issue and I can live with that. BTW still rocks.) [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 00:14, 11 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
::As do you, Frabby. Thanks for the guidance. I'll fix this one now and hopefully the established templates for custom units will help prevent this categorization overlap. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 00:23, 11 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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===InfoBox template broken?===<br />
The infoboxes for 'Mechs and fiction (books, BattelCorps fiction) seem to be broken but there was no recent edit to the templates - anybody know what happened? [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 10:52, 1 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Nic upgraded the MediaWiki software to 1.15. Good, quick catch, Frabby. Okay, let's all try and identify any other unanticipated (negative) changes that came as a result today and I'll pass those on to Nic. Hopefully, it'll just need some php tweaks and not a rollback. Report those found on this [[BattleTechWiki:Administrators/List|list]]. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 11:16, 1 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Looks like all infoboxes are broken; state units, weapons, customweapons, aerospace fighters, dropships, you name it. So it looks like the software update did something to the way templates work. [[User:Onisuzume|Onisuzume]] 11:53, 1 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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===Strick-9===<br />
I screwed up again. I don't get or understand how to edit/create here and I messed up the custom<br />
weapons list and can't remove what I did. So, I hope it can be fixed. I'm going to have my son show me how to use this system so, I don't mess it up AGAIN. Sorry for the mess. [[User:Sethnlori|Strick-9]] 13:35, 13 June 2009 (PDT)Strick-9[[User:Sethnlori|Strick-9]] 13:35, 13 June 2009 (PDT)<br />
:No problem. You edited a discussion page and almost anything goes on these.<br />
:I guess, you want to create that PPC-article, so my advice is:<br />
:# Open the same page again via "edit" and copy the source-code for your article (to get the code for the chart).<br />
:# Insert the name of your article in the search-box to the left and "go". (Not standard method, but easiest way.)<br />
:# A page will show up, saying that no article with this title exists, providing a red link to your "PPC something". Click on the link and an edit-page will open.<br />
:# Insert your text and "save page". Voilà: new article.<br />
:In general: Do some training in the "sandbox" (link on the left), before approaching a major task like new articles. --[[User:Detlef|Detlef]] 13:55, 13 June 2009 (PDT)<br />
::Thank you for the help. When I started playing BattleTech there were no computer games so, I'm a generation behind most of you. LOL. By the way does anyone know if a supercharger and TSM can be used together? If so, what is the rules on that. Thanks for the help and info. --[[User:Sethnlori|Strick-9]] 14:31, 13 June 2009 (PDT)<br />
:::Detlef wrote some really good guidance there. I was tempted to correct the article's place myself, but you really did most of the hard work already in writing the article and if you follow his steps, you'll learn the whole process. Call for help if you need it, tho, ok? --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 19:57, 13 June 2009 (PDT)<br />
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===Notable Pilots===<br />
Hi there, I've been going through some of the mech profiles. They look like most of them are done. I was wondering if it cool for me to add notable pilots that are both published in past TROs (original 3025 example) and from the novels. Would this be acceptable? I would be listing page, book, etc. where these characters profiles are listed. I am uncertain however, how far it be allowed. Example: Pilot of a Archer from TRO Notable Piltos. That can't be put in word for word, but apprievated version what is written. Example 2: Is duable to list pilot such as Conner Rhys-Monroe, a antagonist character whom is Rifleman RFL-8D in novel Sword of Sedition & Fortress Republic. Like notable pilots, be short listing for this character. Would this be allowable? Thank you. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 14:24, 3 March 2009 (PST)<br />
:You can add articles for the pilots. In fact, it would be great if you did that. And please do add as many references as you can, and as precisely as you can. I have done so myself for two characters that were notable pilots in TRO3025 and re-appeared in [[Starterbook: Sword and Dragon]]. Check out [[Terry Ford]] and [[Melinda Carlyle]] for examples. In fact, I suggest you use these articles as blueprints for your character articles on people mentioned as "notable pilots".<br />
:I would not, on the other hand, add them as notable pilots in the entries of the respective 'Mechs, in accordance with our [[:Policy:Notability]]. The reason is that they are not actually notable, but virtual nobodies in most cases. Very few of these "notable" pilots have ever made an appearance elsewhere in Canon, and if we listed everybody who ever piloted a given 'Mech type in a canon source then the lists would be very, very long.<br />
::If you read [[BattleTechWiki_talk:Project_BattleMechs#Famous_Pilots|the conversation]] members of the Project BattleMechs team had concerning the addition of the "Notable Pilots" section to the BattleMech articles, you will find that adding the pilots from the TROs was specifically cited as something we did not want to happen unless they were otherwise notable. I would like to stress that one precondition (not the only one) for including a pilot as "notable" on the 'Mech article is that they have their own article on BTW, per that same discussion. While Connor, specifically, is probably notable enough, he needs to have an article written about him that asserts that first. --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 16:51, 3 March 2009 (PST)<br />
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===Uploading Self-Generated Images===<br />
Hi, I suggested generating Unit TOEs for the Military Commands project, and others suggested I put up an example to demonstrate what I mean. I now have a PNG file, but no idea of how to upload. Can anyone walk me through the procedure, please?<br />
[[User:Alkemita|Alkemita]] 16:11, 25 February 2009 (PST)<br />
:As you have since uploaded and used the Waco Rangers TOE I take it this request is done? If not, please drop me a note. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 06:42, 27 February 2009 (PST)<br />
:::Yes, it's done - thanks. [[User:Alkemita|Alkemita]] 09:42, 27 February 2009 (PST)<br />
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===Weapons, Character Pages===<br />
I have two questions. First off, if a character in BattleTech is already in the [[List of BattleTech Characters|"BattleTech characters list"]], should redirect pages be made so people get pointed straight to that location? I was thinking you would just use the context indicator so it would go straight to that person, but I thought I'd ask because you may decide to give major characters (like Sun-Tzu Liao) their own articles.<br />
:I'd actually prefer we split up [[List of BattleTech Characters|"BattleTech characters list"]] and make pages for all of the characters in there. --[[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] 16:14, 7 January 2007 (CST)<br />
::Agreed. Most people are going to go for specific names, or type them in directly. Apart from being neater, and circumventing various technical limitations (both server- and client-side), it'll reduce the amount of bandwidth used on outbound traffic. --[[User:Xoid|Xoid]] 05:54, 27 January 2007 (CST)<br />
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Secondly, shouldn't the weapons articles have more information than just where the weapon is manufactured? Isn't just having only where its made kind of odd? I was wondering for two reasons: 1) starting to put summaries on '''ALL''' the weapons pages would make a huge difference, and I wasn't sure if doing that would be against the BTW beliefs on the layout of said weps-articles. 2) If someone who knew very little about BattleTech wanted to find out more, here would be a great start. However, if they try to understand how a PPC or Gauss Rifle works, they would ahve to look at 'Mechs articles to (hopefully) find out.<br />
:Yes, we do want to get more data for the weapons besides just their locations of manufacture. However, when I started this wiki I pre-generated lots of pages, including using all of the manufacturing data I had available. Since some of these weapons haven't been filled with the other stats and fluff yet, all that is in them is their manuf data. --[[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] 16:14, 7 January 2007 (CST)<br />
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Also, you guys should mention in one of the 'good-formatting' sections that people making new articles should see if they are spelling the linked weapons correctly. Many of the weapons listed on the Wanted Page are because a lot of people didn't use hyphens. Just saying. --[[User:~Malithion~|~Malithion~]] 13:54, 7 January 2007 (CST)<br />
:I also agree with this, however, creating redirects for simple spelling differences is easy as well. We'll never get everyone agreeing on a spelling for all items, and new people won't know about a policy like that either. It's easier, in the end, to do catch-all redirects so people get to the pages they want. --[[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] 16:14, 7 January 2007 (CST)<br />
:I believe that the names of the actual pages should be standardised, but there should still be redirects from common alterations (e.g., since [[SRM-6]] is the most prevalent 'version' so far, it would be the primary page and 'acceptable variations' would redirect to it). Ease-of-use, and a unified feel. --[[User:Xoid|Xoid]] 05:54, 27 January 2007 (CST)<br />
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Also, now that we have a [[heat sink]] article, should we just redirect to that from [[double heat sink]]? I can't think of many differences between them that warrant two articles but, hey, that's just me.<br />
Additionally, I noticed that there ''is'' a weapons template already set up (like the BattleMech box). I was wondering if any of you guys might have orginal BT data on the weps, or if its the same as the video-games. 'Cuz that's all the data I have. --[[User:~Malithion~|~Malithion~]] 18:34, 7 January 2007 (CST)<br />
:Canon data (from the board game) is what is being used. The video games tend to vary a lot (especially if you start reporting what their statistics ''actually are'', instead of ''what they say they are''). As far as I'm concerned, I believe specific pages (e.g., '[[Medium Laser]]', '[[Large Laser]]', etc.) should exist, with either relevant text be transcluded or linked to from beefy articles on the 'overall' aspect of a given technology (e.g., '[[lasers]]'). Same thing with heatsinks, etc., etc. Nic and Revanche may have other ideas though. --[[User:Xoid|Xoid]] 05:54, 27 January 2007 (CST)<br />
::No, I agree with you that the board game is the origination point for all data. Everything else can be referenced, but generally starting off from the article on the board game version of the item in question. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 23:15, 7 February 2007 (CST)<br />
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I was curious as to whether or not we would honor labnames on this wiki. It's just a minor edit, but I was looking through the Character pages and I noticed that [[Peri]] was under the "P" section. I recall the scientist caste of the Clans being a bit more daring about the use of surnames, and adopt what they call 'labnames', surnames taken from doctors throughout history. In '[[Freebirth]]', Twilight of the Clans Book Four, she has adopted the labname Watson. Just a simple question. Thanks for your time.<br />
[[User:Jacen Pryde|Jacen Pryde]] 20:10, 10 September 2008 (CDT)<br />
:Since they're not official, I would say "no," though it should be included in the article. --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 21:31, 10 September 2008 (CDT)<br />
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===MechFormations===<br />
I thought about making a category called "MechFormations" that lists all brigades, regiments & battalions.<br/><br />
And with that in place I wanted to replace the brigade descriptions from the main military article of every house with a list of links to all the brigade articles of that house & also move the descriptions that some already have to the corresponding brigade articles.<br/><br />
And there again I wanted to add all regiments of that brigade again only with a link so that an article can be made for every regiment.<br/><br />
Problem is:<br/><br />
# Can a user create a category?<br />
# How do I make a template for a brigade info box & regiment info box? Those looks more than complicate to me especially with the help page for creating brigade & regiment articles and with a doc page for that template.<br />
# Furthermore what should be listed in those infoboxes? For brigades I thought of: brigade symbol, name, formed, status & parent formation. And for regiments: regiment symbol, name, nickname, formed, status & parent formation. Anything else?<br />
[[User:BigDuke66|BigDuke66]] 11:36, 20 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I was actually thinking about this subject today, so let me give my thoughts. I was thinking of creating different categories for each faction, "AFFS Units", "AFFC Units", "DCMS Units", "Clan Jade Falcon Units", "MAF Units", and so on and so forth. I was considering breaking it down with different categories in the same way that [[:Category:BattleMechs by weight class|BattleMechs are broken down by tonnage]]. For instance, [[:Category:Regular Units]] could take you to [[:Category:CCAF Units]], which takes you to [[:Category:Victoria Commonality Ranger Units]]. Each category along the way would list all of the units therein (a la [[:Category:BattleMechs]], [[:Category:Heavy BattleMechs]], [[:Category:70 ton BattleMechs]]). I think it is still appropriate to leave the descriptions of the brigades that are present on the military organization articles there, but expand upon them in full articles (in the same way that ''[[Handbook: House Steiner]]'' gives some info on them, but ''[[Field Manual: Lyran Alliance]]'' gives them a more complete treatment).<br />
:#Yes, a user can create a category. It works the same way as an article.<br />
:#Use other infoboxes as a model (Perhaps [[Template:InfoBoxMercUnit]] would be a good one to base this off of) and use the "Show Preview" button often.<br />
:#All of your suggestions sound good, except that I'm not sure what you mean by "status". The only thing I can think of to add would be an optional line for "destruction". --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 18:22, 20 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
::Well "Status" should show what the state of the unit is, active, destroyed, disbanded, deserted etc..<br/><br />
::More Categories sound good but I don't see how much different it is to what we will see in the articles.<br/><br />
::Faction>Capellan Confederation>Capellan Confederation Armed Forces>Victoria Commonality Rangers>Kingston'S Rangers<br/><br />
::Category:Regular Units>Category:CCAF Units>Category:Victoria Commonality Ranger Units>Kingston's Rangers<br/><br />
::Of course those categories would be better then just on big with all formations. I just counted the regiments of the 20 Year Update and came out with 577 and that ist without Brigades and without the Clans. We could do it like the BattleMech category, one big with all of them und some sub categories that are more specific starting with what you have suggested "Category Regular Units". And maybe "Mercenary Units"? What else? --[[User:BigDuke66|BigDuke66]] 10:11, 21 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::Actually, the reason I suggested "Regular Units" was because "Units" sounds like it could encompass BattleMechs, vehicles, etc. as they are "units". "Military units" is too broad (although it sounds better to me now), while "House units" is too narrow. I suppose we could integrate Mercenary units to a broader category that includes House, Periphery, and Clan units; but I think that's too much sub-categorization.<br />
:::On another note, when we create sections for the brigades, in addition to having a link to the main article for the brigade, we can have a link to the appropriate category that lists all units within that brigade.<br />
:::I like the idea for "status" now that I understand it... instead of having a separate section for date or destruction, we could just put the appropriate date next the status. By George, I think we might have it! --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 19:30, 21 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::Yes "Military units" sounds good but your right it also sounds to broad, I would expect to see units like Death Commandos or maybe dropship/jumpship fleets under such category too. Maybe "Ground Units"... na, or "Army Units"... na, maybe... look at the main page with the point "Unit Categories" and all the sub-points, what about making in similar.<br />
::::*"Formation Categories"<br />
::::**[[House Formations]]<br />
::::**[[Periphery Formations]]<br />
::::**[[Clan Formations]](Unsure as they don't show a brigade system with related regiments, instead the use similar clusters in different Galaxys, so clan formations would need some extra attention)<br />
::::**[[Mercenary Formations]](That could just be the renamed "Mercenary Units" category)<br />
::::**[[Pirate Formations]](Similar to the "Mercenary Formations")<br />
::::The "House Formation" category shows subcategories like "AFFS Formations", "CAAF Formations" etc., those can show the related brigade/milita/academy articles and subcategories like subcategory "Davion Brigade of Guards", subcategory "Draconis March Militia" and subcategory "Academy & Training Formations" etc., and each of those subcategories could show their related regiments & battalions articles like "Davion Heavy Guards", "Addicks DMM" and "1st NAIS Cadet Cadre" etc..<br />
::::I think I wasn't clear enough about the brigade & regiment articles. What I want to do is to add links in the main military article to brigade/milita etc. articles. Then in these articles there should be some major points covered besides the data in the infobox. I thought about "History", "Officers", "Tactics" and "Composition" and under “Composition” I wanted to list & link all regiments/battalions that are or were part of that brigade/milita etc.. So all together you can go down the ladder till you are down to a regiment article.<br />
::::Now that I read my post again I wonder if we need those categories at all. Their structure is very similar to what the military & brigade level articles will host. So do we really need them?--[[User:BigDuke66|BigDuke66]] 10:06, 22 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::::Sure. Things need to be categorized, so we might as well put them in categories that make sense without being unwieldy. With the categories, we don't need to put a dozen links in brigade articles. We need only throw in a link to the category. Of course, that means its another click away, but I think its useful to avoid clutter in the articles themselves. --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 18:24, 28 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::::I see that we now have also a link to the State Units on the main page or was it already there? Seems new to me. Anyway how about another for clan units? I think they are in many aspects far away from states and even further from mercenarys to justify that. BTW where do we put the units from the Bandit Kingdoms & Pirates, ComStar & WoB and Deep Periphery & the not-named-clan?--[[User:BigDuke66|BigDuke66]] 18:52, 22 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::::::You're right: it is relatively new. I put it there, since I felt there was a dearth of unit articles and wanted to jumpstart interest in it. However, I hadn't followed thru by reading this thread. I like your idea for a Clan units category (and will add it now). '''A''': And, I think you're also right about the need to represent the other 'factions.' I personally would consider units with Bandit Kingdoms as state ones (such as I do for the [[Brotherhood of Randis]], being a unit of the [[Fiefdom of Randis|Fiefdom]]. However, acknowledged stateless entities such as ComStar and WOB might need to be discussed. Both have held (or presently hold) planets, so I'd prefer to see them under state categories.''' B''': What about all of these being in more specific sub-categories? I cannot imagine all the Great House (plus assorted other lesser Houses) all having their units mixed up together in one broad category (Cat:State Units). It seems to me, that Cat:Marik Units should be a sub-category of Cat:State Units. Discussion? --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 00:04, 23 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::::::Sub-categories? Absolutely YES! I was about to ask the same today. A Sub-category for every state in the Category:State Units would help to keep the overview and articles of the brigades(Lyran Guards, Davion Guards, etc.) could link to them directly so you can get a clue of what units are in a specific brigade. --[[User:BigDuke66|BigDuke66]] 10:17, 23 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::::::::Ooh, good idea. Cascading categories. I'm not very knowledgeable regarding the various levels of organization, but anyone can create categories, so please...feel free to start those examples. Any ideas, however, for the Main Page namimg scheme above? We have State, Clan & Merc. I don't necessaily want to create Pirates, since there are so few articles that would be built for those, so a category that would incorporate pirates and others would be best. Cat:Misc, maybe? --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 10:37, 23 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::::::::Cat:Misc sounds good. Regarding ComStat & WoB I think they would fit here better than in the state category. When I think of state factions I only think of the 5 houses and minor states like Rasalhague, St. Ives, Andurien, Magistracy of Canopus, Outworlds Alliance and Taurian Concordat maybe also the Bandit kingdoms and the smaller Periphery states too but not Comstar & WoB, especially ComStar is present everywhere and much more an Organization then a state. So I think they would fit here best, maybe Chaos March & Arc-Royal Defense Cordon too?--[[User:BigDuke66|BigDuke66]] 11:11, 24 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::::::::::New Main Page cat created and added. BigDuke, I think you're probably a bit more qualified than myself for defining what goes where in this case. If you start the standard now with units in each category, then it'll be that much stronger for it. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 13:52, 24 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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===Years===<br />
I have decided I have no real purpose in life, and give the years a consistent format. What tag do I use if I am unsure if the data included is accurate?<br />
[[2016]] is my basic template idea {{unsigned|Moosegod|20:31, 19 August 2008}}<br />
:"<nowiki>{{Verify}}</nowiki>" would be the one I would use. --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 19:06, 20 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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===Clan Jade Falcon changes===<br />
Excuse me, I don't know if this is the right place to post this, but there seems to be no way to e-mail the admins of this site. I recently edited the Jade Falcon page, correcting some historical innacuracies and general anti-Jade Falcon bias which was present on the page, and I was messaged by the administrators that my posts were unhelpful and I was going to be charged with VANDALISM. I thought that this was a wiki in which everyone was free to contribute, not a "members-only" club in which outsiders are not tolerated. I am extremely upset by this discrimination, and will neither contribute nor endorse this discriminatory site.{{unsigned|66.18.240.88|13:40, 18 March 2008 }}<br />
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:The information that was added was extremely biased towards Clan Jade Falcon, that was why it was removed and you warned that the information you added '''might''' be considered vandalism. The current article can certainly be improved, but "Kerensky, in his hubris, decided that to have his name associated with the word "wolf" would be better for his image, and sided with the '''haughty and unworthy''' Clan Wolf [my emphasis]" is not the way to fix it. Moreover, some information was incorrect, such as the fact that more members of the Clan that Khan Crichell were involved in the downfall of ilKhan Ulric Kerensky (saKhan Chistu trapped him, for Pete's sake). "Clan Jade Falcon was the FIRST clan to allow freebirth to compete for a bloodname" is also completely untrue, as that person was actually Khan Phelan Kell of Clan Wolf.<br />
:The above reasons are why the information you added was deleted, not because of a desire to be exclusive. The warning was given because these edits violated BattleTechWiki policy, and informed you which policy it violated so you could read about it and understand why your edits were reverted. I still encourage you to read [[Policy:Neutral point of view]] so that you can better understand the reasons behind my decision. If, after that, it is still unclear, then please ask and I, or any other admin, will be happy to help you to the best of our ability. --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 17:44, 18 March 2008 (CDT)<br />
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===CCG Cards===<br />
I noticed that the mission cards from the CCG section have no text in the text box. The main text shows up fine when I go into edit mode, but not on the page itself. I was checking out the Death from Above card and saw it. Just thought I'd point it out. [[User:Haruspex|Haruspex]] 15:13, 8 February 2008 (CST)<br />
:Great catch! I fixed the template (it lacked the "Text" parameter), so all should be good now. --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 08:01, 9 February 2008 (CST)<br />
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===Recent Spam===<br />
What can we do about this recent spam? It appears that bots are pre-pending articles with special keywords they will later search for so they know they can edit that page. Which probably won't work because we don't allow anonymous users to post external URLs. What do other wiki's do about this? [[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] 22:18, 10 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:While it's not something I wanted to do, how about banning all IP edits? I don't know how other places handle this, but I don't think asking people to register to edit is too much. We will miss a few here a there, I would imagine, but if it stops this vandalism, I'm all for it. We could also look at it as a temporary measure until we come up with something better. [[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 10:51, 16 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
::Better idea. How about changing the already-in-place captcha parameters to include all non-registered editors? [[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 10:45, 18 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
::I'm opposed to this. Vandalism-by-bot will continue, with or without blocking anonymous edits. The only thing that blocking anonymous edits does is tend to cause problems; you get a flood of user accounts taking up space in the MySQL database -- making location of legitimate registered users more difficult (we are hoping we'll eventually get enough editors that [[Special:Listusers]] might eventually become a necessity, right?). Blocking anonymous edits also tends to scare off those who make once-off typo fixes. They may not contribute much, but sometimes they come back. I know that's how it was with me and Wikipedia. If I had to register an account just to fix a typo I'd never have bothered.<br />
::You'll also get the odd disgruntled user who'll make an account at BugMeNot to get around such mandatory registration, and you'll then be forced to fight a war against otherwise legitimate users. (Since there'll be no way to verify that HelpfulUser7 is always going to be the same person -- he may be a vandal one day and useful another.) Better to avoid that kettle of fish altogether, methinks. I don't particularly like your newer idea either. CAPTCHAs are seldom perfect and they are a burden on legitimate users. Considering that almost every legitimate user is registered though, it's a fine interim solution. --[[User:Xoid|Xoid]] 23:56, 22 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::I agree with you in that I don't particularly like either of my suggestions, either (for much the same reasons), but I also don't see anybody else suggesting anything. I have no doubt that if there was a good, simple solution it would have already been implemented. I had meant for the CAPTCHA suggestion to be temporary, as I (perhaps incorrectly) assumed that it was something that could be done fairly easily while a more permanent solution is sought. [[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 17:31, 23 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
::::There's an extension that allows for this. [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmEdit ConfirmEdit]. Permanent solutions are, in my opinion, impossible. The various botnets responsible for this stupidity consist of numerous infected PCs, many with dynamic IP addresses. If there is a spate of vandalism from a specific IP address or range, we'll block it. Apart from that? The most that can be done is to minimise harm and remain vigilant. The scumbags responsible for these botnets aren't going to close-up shop any time soon. --[[User:Xoid|Xoid]] 05:19, 24 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::::I guess it's just a little frustrating for those of us who are patrolling for it. So far, [[User:Kittle|Kittle]], [[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]], and I have been doing it almost constantly and at the cost of other real work. The temp-bans seem to be having some kind of impact as I only needed to edit about 5 articles this time instead of the normal 10-20. I have found that we are missing some of the vandalism, though, as I occasionally find an article that's been recently vandalized and it has some remnant of a previous attack. I don't know that there's much more that we can do, but it does make the whole experience less than satisfying. [[User:Bdevoe|Bdevoe]] 15:48, 25 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
::::::It definitely sucks, I agree. I'll try to remain on IM (check my [[User:Xoid|user page]] for communication avenues) so you can nudge me if you need an admin to ban someone/thing. I'm seriously considering asking Nic to bestow someone with SysOp status purely so it's possible to provide better ban hammer coverage over the day. I know Scaletail the best and would recommend him, but I've been out of the loop for too long and it'd be unfair to other editors to simply assume Scaletail is the best suited to the job. --[[User:Xoid|Xoid]] 01:01, 26 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::::::With great power comes great responsibility. [[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 20:31, 27 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
::::::::Can articles be protected? Some articles on WP are frequent targets of vandalism (like when Stephen Colbert tells people to), so the page in question can be protected from edits by all but an admin (or whatever the WP equivalent is). Can we do the same here with some of the most frequent targets? [[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 19:14, 21 November 2007 (CST)<br />
:::::::::Unfortunately, the articles hit seem too random to be able to protect any. I've found another extension, [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CommentSpammer CommentSpammer] that seems to address our very problem. However, it requires MediaWiki v1.12, which isn't officially released yet (we're on 1.11). I'd rather wait until v1.12 is officially released, then I'll add this extension.<br />
:::::::::I also agree with Xoid that we could use another SysOp -- Scaletail, I think you're a great fit, as you've contributed a ton to this wiki. [[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] 16:08, 2 December 2007 (CST)<br />
:::::::::: After months of wasting time reverting these 'gibberish' edits from spammers/vandalizers (having personally reverted 300+ gibberish edits so far), I'm leaning towards enabling the CAPTCHA for all anonymous edits. I know this will cause legit anonymous users a small bit of hassle, but we're still not requiring them to register and it should stop all this vandalism. Any opposition? [[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] 01:19, 27 December 2007 (CST)<br />
:::::::::::Not from me. --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 07:06, 27 December 2007 (CST)<br />
::::::::::::Nor I. I would welcome it, honestly. It would actually allow us to get back to some real work. ;) [[User:Bdevoe|Bdevoe]] 08:15, 27 December 2007 (CST)<br />
:::::::::::: I have made the change. [[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] 10:02, 27 December 2007 (CST)<br />
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===Main Page Sidebar Problem===<br />
Is it just me or does the sidebar get pushed far down whenever the BTW icon or Home links are selected? --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 10:15, 9 December 2007 (CST)<br />
:Just you. --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 11:47, 9 December 2007 (CST)<br />
::Seriously? That sucks. I get it on IE at home and Netscape on my ship. I wonder what could be causing it. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 12:18, 9 December 2007 (CST)<br />
:::Gross, I see that too. I'll take a look. [[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] 12:28, 9 December 2007 (CST)<br />
::::There was a missing &lt;/div&gt; on the mainpage -- seems like fixing it fixed the problem. Let me know if not. [[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] 13:07, 9 December 2007 (CST)<br />
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===Uploading Program files===<br />
How can I upload program files for others to download? I've tried the "upload File" link, but is this only for images? Please Help :o)<br />
[[User:Clemmensen|Clemmensen]] 04:35, 20 August 2007 (CDT)<br />
: The [[Special:Upload | Upload File]] link is only for images. For other files, please email me (nic [at] nicj [dot] net) with what you want to share and I can upload it to the [http://www.sarna.net/files file archive]. [[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] 16:08, 2 December 2007 (CST)<br />
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=== Drive-by deletes? ===<br />
There's been 4 articles in the last day that have had 2/3 of their article deleted by random IPs. Is this a form of vandalism? [[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] 12:50, 12 April 2007 (CDT)<br />
:It certainly sounds like it could be. What were the pages? [[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 18:26, 13 April 2007 (CDT)<br />
::This has obviously been happening a lot - I've reverted probably 20 pages in the past couple of weeks with this problem. It seems odd as it's not an adbot and there doesn't seem to be any real rationale beyond just being annoying. [[User:Bdevoe|Bdevoe]]<br />
:::I haven't seen this recently -- very strange. [[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] 16:08, 2 December 2007 (CST)<br />
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===Plageurism===<br />
On the [[Thanatos]] and [[Lao Hu]] entries I had to delete the text from the articles due to the fact they were directly plageurized from another source by their original author. [[User:CJKeys|CJKeys]] 13:28, 17 May 2007 (CDT)<br />
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===Category:People===<br />
I started added the characters to [[:Category:People]] because it is on the main page when I realized that there is also a [[:Category:PeopleFictional]]. Since I'm sure nobody wants two identical categories, which one should we use? My vote goes to People because it's shorter and easier to find. [[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 14:58, 25 March 2007 (CDT)<br />
:: I vote for People as well. [[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] 11:40, 26 March 2007 (CDT)<br />
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===Wikilinks as non-case & Mercenaries category===<br />
Two things. First, is it possible to make wikilinks non-case sensitive, or do we have to set up redirects? So many things in BattleTech have an extra capitalized letter in the middle, it's often hard to get it right. Second, would it be possible to create a "merecenaries" category? That way all those merc units can have their own category, since they're really not factions all on their own. [[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 22:28, 26 December 2006 (CST)<br />
:Ugh...I know what you mean (regarding all of those midword capitalizations). I'm gonna leave the response for this one to [[user:Xoid|Xoid]].<br />
:As for a Mercenaries category, I think that's a great idea. Specifically, however, are you referring to the [[Main Page]], under the Factions bullet? --[[User:Revanche|Revanche (admin)]] 10:10, 30 December 2006 (CST)<br />
::From what I've read? There's no practical way for MediaWiki to implement it without causing severe interoperability problems with foreign language versions, more processing, etc., etc., you can find specifics at [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Case_sensitivity meta's page on case sensitivity].<br />
::I will say this though: I prefer it this way. By making sure that [[SRM-6]], [[SRM 6]] and [[srm 6]] are all different? It allows me to hunt down style inconsistencies in articles and clean them up, making for a more unified feel to the BattleTech Wiki. --[[User:Xoid|Xoid]] 05:39, 27 January 2007 (CST)<br />
:::Sorry about the delayed response. I had forgotten I put this here.... I requested a category before I opened up the section on the main page, but I would envision it as two different things, though I'm not sure if the redundancy is necessary. While I'm here, can I make a request for a "people" category. Since it is on the left-hand toolbar, it would make sense to have a category for it. [[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 12:07, 26 February 2007 (CST)<br />
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===Spam===<br />
:I just recently had to fix the Board Game page from a spammer, IP is 202.212.58.10 in case you want to block or take whatever action you need to. --[[User:CJKeys|CJKeys]] 11:11, 6 November 2006 (CST)<br />
:: Thanks CJKeys. I think I'll try to implement a captcha system for new changes that include outside URLs like wikia.com does. [[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] 15:32, 6 November 2006 (CST)<br />
:::Had to fix it the [[Board Game]] page again, the IP for the spammer this time was 200.31.148.46. I dont know if you can block IPs but I thought I would let you know it happened again. Thanks. --[[User:CJKeys|CJKeys]] 00:24, 8 November 2006 (CST)<br />
::::Also, thanks, CJ. I blocked both IPs for 3 months. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche (admin)]] 01:10, 8 November 2006 (CST)<br />
:::::This looks like a minor annoying problem right now, but I could see it getting worse. Should I spend time investigating captcha for external links in edits? [[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] 21:42, 21 November 2006 (CST)<br />
::::::I had to look the term up, since its the second time you've suggested this. How would you envision it working? Would everytime someone made an edit, they'd have to translate the image? Or, would we limit wiki editing only to registered users, who had to pass this test to register? The latter would be preferable to me. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche (admin)]] 00:17, 22 November 2006 (CST)<br />
:::::::Well I still want to allow anonymous edits. The captcha prompt would only occur if 1) The user was not logged in (not registered) AND 2) they posted an edit with an external link. This would avoid 90% of the 'referral spam' that spambots want. It wouldn't block vandalism, but we're only trying to curb spam-bots with captcha.<br />
::::::::I like it. It is not restrictive for 95% of any edits, as how many times will an unregistered user seek to post links? Is this something you think you can turn on? --[[User:Revanche|Revanche (admin)]] 10:21, 22 November 2006 (CST)<br />
:::::::::There may even be a way to get around needing that. The nastiest stuff is usually the ''div style="display: none"'' and similar crap that adbots love to toss around. You can also try setting a spam blocking RegEx similar to the one Wikipedia uses. It's one of the settings that is heavily documented on either [http://meta.wikimedia.org Meta] or [http://www.mediawiki.org MediaWiki.org]. --[[User:Xoid|Xoid]] 11:49, 22 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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I've added a captcha system for BTW to combat SPAM. It will be triggered under the following conditions: [[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] 18:39, 14 February 2007 (CST)<br />
# New account creation ''or''<br />
# Editing an article under '''all''' the following circumstances:<br />
::The article contains a ''new'' link to an ''external'' website<br />
::The user is not logged in<br />
::The external link is ''not'' to wikipedia.org or mediawiki.org<br />
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I hope this will be agreeable and adequate. Logged in users will never see the captcha, nor will anonymous users see it unless they post an external link. [[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] 18:39, 14 February 2007 (CST)<br />
:Thank you! It was starting to get bad in the last few days. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 19:21, 14 February 2007 (CST)<br />
::Bad? This was nothing. When you are reverting five adbots, all of which are active at the same time, while you're on your own, and all of them use a myriad of proxies '''and''' sign up under new usernames… these bots haven't even started the long road to being annoying… they're not even hiding their garbage with non-displaying &lt;div&gt;s. --[[User:Xoid|Xoid]] 00:36, 17 February 2007 (CST)<br />
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I noticed that there's been a lot of spam bots making user accounts almost daily. The captcha system seems to be ineffective on its own. MediaWiki has a number of anti-spam features you could implement in addition to the captcha system [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Anti-spam_features Anti-spam Features]. Hopefully a combination of a few of those will make the number of spam bots making accounts more manageable. --[[User:Seth|Seth]] 19:42, 18 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Since it didn't ask me to fill out the captcha when I added this url to my last edit, I would suggest adding "$wgCaptchaTriggers['addurl'] = true;" to your localsettings.php file beneath the line to add reCaptcha;<br />
require_once( "$IP/extensions/ConfirmEdit/ReCaptcha.php");<br />
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===Copyright Infringement===<br />
Greetings. I have recently become involved in contributing to BattleTech through the Wikipedia end. I submitted one article over there, "[[Chaos March]]." I came over here, only to find that my article had been copied verbatim. By itself, this is fine, because I know Wikipedia articles are public-domain, however no credit was given on the part of the person who 'ported the article to MechWiki. I would appreciate it that, for all articles taken from Wikipedia, credit be given to the original author and/or a link be provided to the original article (as provided in Wikipedia's copyright, which can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Copyrights). Since the only article of mine in question I have found is "Chaos March," that is all I am concerned with, however, I am sure the other authors from Wikipedia would appreciate it if you gave them the same consideration. {{unsigned|4.234.144.246}}<br />
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:Great. Just. Great. ''*sigh*''. Alright; damage control. Nic: can you tell me exactly which pages were auto-generated? I'll run kdiff against a list of all articles with your list of generated articles so we know which ones to exclude from our inquisitorial purge. Revanche: a list of all articles you've imported would be appreciated.<br />
:Note that I could go through the 'Mechs and see if I can find any parts that are copied verbatim, though for obvious reasons that would be a PWOT (I know everything I've submitted is my own work, Daniel's 'articles' are next to non-existent and its rather obvious from CJ's fractured English that he wrote his articles himself (no offense intended CJ)). From there we've got two options here; nuke the lot and start over, or get cracking on providing appropriate licensing information. For obvious reasons I'd prefer the latter, but if you're antsy about getting sued go for the former. --[[User:Xoid|Xoid]] 13:13, 13 December 2006 (CST)<br />
::My apologies for not signing up and signing earlier. My bleary eyes couldn't find the "create an account," button, even though it's in the same place as Wikipedia's. Apologies are certainly accepted. Lord knows I've made mistakes in the past. I'm not going to sue, I was just upset at not being credited for my work. I think this project is a great idea that can contribute a lot to the BattleTech community. Moreover, I have trolled on sarna.net for around a decade, and I would do nothing that might harm it. I think I have somewhat of an idea of at least some pages that were 'ported over and, if you all don't mind, I'll assist in linking them back to Wikipedia. [[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 21:17, 13 December 2006 (CST)<br />
:::Sure, any assistance is appreciated. I wasn't worried about you per se, I'm worried about the 'we'll sue your pants off' type; we all know they exist and it's better to be safe than sorry. Once upon a time we ran into legal troubles at another wiki I work on. I do not want a repeat here. I hope that explains my somewhat panicked reaction. --[[User:Xoid|Xoid]] 00:01, 14 December 2006 (CST)<br />
::::I'm assuming your reffering to the name change of a group on UD?--[[User:The General|The General]]<sup>[[User_talk:The_General|T]]</sup> 20:33, 14 December 2006 (CST)<br />
:::::Yup, that's the one. --[[User:Xoid|Xoid]] 02:04, 15 December 2006 (CST)<br />
:::Scaletail, any assistance you could give us in this matter, such as pointing out articles that may be infringing would be much appreciated. We are dedicated to making this wiki legit, as well as not upsetting others who have contributed to BattleTech :) [[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] 13:35, 14 December 2006 (CST)<br />
:: I apologize, 4.234.144.246. I had not realized that article was copied verbatim.<br />
:: ''Most'' of the 3,000 pages here are autogenerated (Planets, etc). We can use DynamicPageList (DPL) to get articles not in categories we've autogenerated and or created (mech articles).. try [[BattleTechWiki:SuspectPages]]. We can use that page list to review articles to see if they've been copied. We should also setup a template to link back to Wikipedia for articles that have been copied to give credit. [[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] 16:46, 13 December 2006 (CST)<br />
:::Okay, guys: things are well-in-hand already, as long as we have wikicitizens helping the whole community with the procedures already in place. First of all, efforts have already been initiated to deal with this via the <nowiki>{{wikipedia}}</nowiki> tag. As 'ported articles are rediscovered, they can be linked back there. Back then, when I did much of the importing, I didn't have actual admin priviledges to do so, so it had to be exactly as it was seen, a cut & paste from wiki. The intent was clear: a different audience was being addressed. Where Wikipedia reaches out with encyclopedic info for the world that 'knows nothing' and wants to be educated on a subject, [[BTW]] is a source for fans/players of BattleTech who would not necissarily beturning to Wikipedia for source information. I 'needed' to do something quickly to show the relevance of BTW to people dropping by to check it out and I was also trying to keep the BattleTech wikiers from being fragmented between two BT-centric wikis (the other being the [http://battletech.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page MechWikia]).<br />
:::Since then, I have alternated between using the import function granted to admins and/or stating that the article was imported in the initial summary line. There was no intent to claim ownership of the articles written, and that's the purpose of the <nowiki>{{wikipedia}}</nowiki> tag. (Point-in-fact, similar work is supposed to be pointing back to the same article over here from Wikipedia, by contribs over there.) Now, I'm not going to go back thru my contribs and hit each one up, as I'm close enough to calling a wikibreak as it is. However, as is true with every other article here, each is a work in progress and no one person will ever be able to claim "that's my article" if the wiki is successful (i.e. many editors). The [[Help:Contents|Help]] page (and [[Help:Tags]] specifically) is very clear one how things are done here at BTW and all someone has to do is paste that tag on a page as it is re-discovered, and they'll be able to instantly see who the primary contributors of the article's history are over there.<br />
:::No offense was intended nor expected, as wikipedia works under the same 'no-ownership' policy. I understand that Scaletail does feel pride in writing a well-crafted article, and my intent was not to claim writing ability (where none exists, frankly). The article, however, has served an important article ''here'' by adding legitimacy and important information for the player base. I'd reccommend Scaletail make some minor alteration to the BTW version of the article (while its still young) with a summary note as coming from a primary Wikipedia contributor of the article. And also, feel pride that it has transcended from being an introductory peice for non-BTers, to a base article for a dedicated source of BT information.<br />
:::I, myself, am pretty much done with importing articles (or even editing the ones here) from Wikipedia, as there are so projects that I'd rather work on and the core material is completed. However, as Wikipedia has plenty of more material over there that really needs to be over here, importing by the cross-decking community is not a done-deal. If someone wants to address a policy page to this subject, please feel free. I do want to state to Nic, however, we don't need to be apologizing for the importing of articles from Wkipedia. Its open-source material and we already are trying to avoid the whole copyright dodge ball, as it is. We don't need to make it any harder for the few of us currently building this site. An apology for improper attribution to Wikipedia as the source is understandable and is being addressed with the cross-deck tag project. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche (admin)]] 11:50, 17 December 2006 (CST)<br />
:: Xoid, no offense taken. I was always a thespian, not a wordsmith and my grades in the fine arts (drama, chorus, etc.) vs English in high school would bear that out. As for my articles each of them are an original work. I will admit I have some articles that have sister articles on mechwikia but that is because I started there and when I came here I brought them with me. I woudl hope to hell I dont have to give myself credit for my own work just because it is in two places. --[[User:CJKeys|CJKeys]] 06:06, 15 December 2006 (CST)<br />
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===Fannon Purge Q===<br />
Is there any way I can keep my stories I'm writing ([[Shockers_CH1]], [[Shockers_CH2]]), or the story's Merc Group ([[Shockers]])?{{Unsigned|Shockeray}}<br />
:The best place for them would be over at the [http://battletechfanon.wikia.com/wiki/BattleTech_Fanon_Wiki BattleTech Fanon Wiki]. Alternatively you could also put them on your user pages. Really though, Sarna is not really meant to be a place for narrative fan-fiction. The BTW here at Sarna is a reference source for information about BattleTech as it is published. This is why all fan-fiction that has ended up here is being removed. -- [[User:LRichardson|LRichardson]] 04:21, 11 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
::[http://battletechfanon.wikia.com/wiki/BattleTech_Fanon_Wiki BattleTech Fanon Wiki] isn't set up like this wiki so I cant add links to mechs or planets. And another thing, do I have to move it or will they? --[[User:Shockeray|Shockeray]] 13:12, 12 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Two things: yes, they will move it for you. And, you ''can'' link back to articles here. Instead of creating wikilinks ('''<nowiki>[[ ]]</nowiki>'''), put just one set of brackets around them ('''<nowiki>[ ]</nowiki>'''), and no pipe ('''<nowiki>|</nowiki>''') between the url and the name of the article. For example, if you want to link to the [[Fafnir]], you'd add this: '''<nowiki>[http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Fafnir Fafnir]</nowiki>'''. It would look like this, when closed: [http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Fafnir Fafnir]. Hope that helps.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 13:40, 12 July 2011 (UTC) <br />
::::Thanks. Another thing, is it possible to make sub pages under my user page? if so I could put my stories on those... --[[User:Shockeray|Shockeray]] 15:33, 12 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::It's very easy to do, Shockeray. I've created a step-by-step guide at [[Help:User Sub-Page Creation]]. Give it a try and get ahold of me if something doesn't work right.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 15:52, 12 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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==Deletion of Manufacturer subsection==<br />
''Copy from Doneve's talk page''<br />
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Hello doneve, please explain your intention for the deletion of my work. I think many user find it usefull to know from were the single variants are coming from. Further its give the reader the possibility to use the links to go directly to the manfacturer related sites. Another opinion for me to show that many more production lines/sites exist as on Sarna.net shown. All entries have their corresponding reference and nothing important from the article was changed, only one subsection adde (and not my prefered tables). What have I do wrong?<br />
[[User:Neuling|Neuling]] 09:14, 27 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Hy Neuling, we don't need this section in 'Mech articles, we have the Manufacturing Center category, and when i take a look, you can find all models added to the various companies, oh and i think circa 98% of manufacturing lines (435 pages on sarna) are added to the wiki, only 2% are missed.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 10:55, 27 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Tnx for your responce. When you wrote we don't need that content in the mech articles. Is that the opinion of the overall majority of the users or only of a few? Because it is for myself difficult to jump from manufacture to another and to get an overall overview which modell is produced by which manufacturer. And let me some time I will show you that some production lines could be added. I need the time to sort them after manufacturer and modell. I think I can incorporate those infos by the individual variants to. It takes longer but the info is an enrichment to the sites. The original text will not harm only one or two sentence will be added. [[User:Neuling|Neuling]] 11:12, 27 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Can you provide me an example, that was very cool.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 13:14, 27 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::Take a look at the [[Lightning]] - aeropace their you can find an example how I can added the information without changing anything important. [[User:Neuling|Neuling]] 16:31, 27 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Hello Doneve, I removed the entry which contains Objectives FS material, please don't remove Planets with marker of the faction, because it is usefull to know where the vehicles are produced, in my opinion. Let's dicuss that issue with the others admins? What are your thoughts about it? [[User:Neuling|Neuling]] 20:55, 3 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
::I see you doesn't agree with the material. Your right that the informations is on the Quickcell page. One thought the puplishers include the production sites in the normal TRO to and in my opinion is a good idea. Again let us discuss that with the other admins. [[User:Neuling|Neuling]] 21:00, 3 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::I disagree, we don't need planet links in the infobox, hit the manufacturer link like [[Quickscell Company]] and you have the info that the Heavy APC was manufactured on Ares by the company, yeah talk to admins, i think they talk the same what i talk to you.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 21:00, 3 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::I'm patient about the outcome of such an discusion. Where can I start it or how is responsible for such task? You wrote that most produtions sites are available, I will search after them and will include the missing. At the end it wwill be interesting how many missing are add to the sites.[[User:Neuling|Neuling]] 21:04, 3 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::At first take a look to this [[Help:References]], as second go to the admins page and stard a discussion about your task, i don't agree with you but this is my personal view of thinks, i was very interesting what some admins talk to this and to you.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 21:10, 3 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::I think it's good to add relevant information to articles, even if that information is on a different article (except in certain circumstances). In this specific instance, I think adding the production location of specific variants of military vehicles is a good addition. I have had a couple of concerns about this that I have raised with Neuling in the past. First, be certain that the information is supported by canon information; sometimes it can be tempting to add something for the sake of completeness, but we have to be certain that the information is stated somewhere rather than creating our own conclusions (for example, there may be no information about where a specific variant is produced; it can be tempting to state that the variant is produced at the same place as the standard model, but this may not be the case). Second, I would prefer to see the information integrated into existing sections, as with the above example of the ''Lightning'', rather than creating an entirely new section for it. Did I miss anything? --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 00:22, 4 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::::Hy good catch, but i give you this example, we don't need it on some BattleMech, Combat Vehicles pages, we have the [[Heavy Tracked APC]] page, in the infobox we add the manufacturer, at this example [[Quickscell Company]] he is added on the vehicle page, you go to it and found the vehicle is produced on [[Ares (planet)|Ares]], you hit the Ares link then you come to the planet page and se Ares is a Capellan Confederation planet and was produced on it, i don't want merged content on the 'Mech, Combat Vehicle sites that don't follow the Project Template. Neuling have good ideas but the problem is, he don't follow any policy, project or ref. policies and follow the right formating, take a look on [[Wars of Reaving - Timeline]], iam really sadly to say this, i don't fix or correct any contributions that he provide in next or future time, iam to tired, i talke to often to the problem, he is as a long time contributor (circa 1-2 year) on sarna and don't follow anything, this is my opinion, please talk to me when iam wrong.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 01:16, 4 December 2011 (UTC) <br />
: Neuling - Respectfully, some of your changes might be more agreeable if they were "cleaner". Specifically, if there weren't so many typos. Both Doneve and I have had to cleanup the [[Lightning]]. Thanks. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 07:39, 5 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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===MechWarrior Online===<br />
Can an admin add a link for [[MechWarrior Online]] to the [[Mediawiki:Sidebar|sidebar]] under official game systems? Eventually, [[MechWarrior Tactical Commander]] should be added too, but that's just a stub of an article right now.--[[User:Seth|Seth]] 00:48, 9 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Done. Thanks. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 23:59, 8 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Oops, they were added, but to get them to work right, you have to add the link to the name. Gotta make them look like this:<br />
** MechWarrior Online|MechWarrior Online<br />
** MechWarrior Tactical Commander|MechWarrior Tactical Commander<br />
::: Can we have one for MechWarrior Tactics aswell please :-) --[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] 10:17, 12 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
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===Hiding user creations and deletions on the Recent changes page===<br />
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Is it possible to hide user creations, deletions and mergers on the [[Recent changes]] page? It is annoying to see the log flooded by those messages, just now there is one real edit in the last 50 changes, the rest are all related to user management. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 02:44, 16 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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===Potatoe===<br />
We've got a little bit of a problem that I think has come across from the Mechwarrior Online forums. A new user has logged in, created a BattleMech article for some sort of custom mod or joke image of a mech named the [[Potatoe]], and uploaded it with an image into the BattleMech category here. Another new user account was created and flagged it up for deletion, with a comment indicating that it was something they felt belonged in a user's sandbox or the like. A third new user account has just been created, which has been used to rewrite the second users comment, add a comment, and then add a third comment with an attempt at spoofing the user ID. I don't know what the sarna policy is on this, or if there is one yet for Mechwarrior Online and the like, but I've rolled back the edits on the comment page because it seems at the least disrespectful to another editor to overwrite their talk comments while retaining their tag - not to mention childish. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 09:12, 22 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:I saw the Potatoe just before I had to pack up and leave over the weekend (currently sitting in a hotel room with internet access), otherwise I would have dealt with it already. In short, fanon (even jokes) doesn't belong on Sarna anymore and is in clear violation of at least one policy. I won't do anything about the comments and user registrations you mention, though I have to say I don't seen why you rolled them back. Disruptive editing in the main section (articles) is the one and only criterium for me, and I don't see that here. But what's done is done. Anyways, I'm on the case now. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 14:37, 23 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::I rolled them back because my understanding was that editors here should treat each other with respect, and deliberately attempting to spoof another user in talk pages or rewriting a user's comment to change what they've said - putting false words in their mouth - seemed completely contrary to that idea. If what I did was inappropriate, then I won't do it again. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 15:42, 23 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::Thanks for the clarification. If what you rolled back amounted to personal attacks and/or producing questionable content under another editor's name then rolling it back was definitely called for. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 23:45, 23 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::That's basically what the original edits amounted to - one edit changed a user's posted comment to something diametrically opposed to what they'd said, the second edit posted under the vandal's own ID mocked the original editor, and the third edit spoofed a third users' ID to post a fictitious comment agreeing with the opinions expressed in the falsified first edit and the vandal's second edit. I hope this was just a one off, and not something we'll see a lot more of as the Mechwarrior Online fandom expands. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 02:12, 24 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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===Sharpelan1===<br />
Hy guys, i notice in the last weeks some spambot attacks and so on, please delete this new spam [[User:Sharpelan1]], thanks.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 17:00, 25 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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===Sftntlgch===<br />
New spambot attack [[User:Sftntlgch]], please delete the spam.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 14:59, 29 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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===Edit Counter Stuck===<br />
Looking at the User Score page, the edit counts seem to be stuck - and the entry for each user doesn't seem to record the number individaul of pages edited, either, although the text string indicates it should be. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 00:34, 13 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:That's actually not an error. The User Score page is now built weekly instead of daily for performance reasons. The Wanted pages page is the same thing.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]]<sup>([[User_talk:Mbear|talk]])</sup> 03:52, 13 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Ah, that explains it, thanks. Although I notice it gives an overall edit count still, but doesn't tell you how many individual pages have been edited, although it still reads as if it should? [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 09:12, 22 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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===Something goofy going on with the CSS===<br />
When a user is logged out and looks at any article, there is a lot of empty space that is not there when a user is logged in. The problem lies in the div ".mw-content-ltr".--[[User:Seth|Seth]] 07:45, 9 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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===Sarna has become very slow===<br />
Sarna seems to have grown very slow, with loading and editing pages taking tens of seconds. It is not my connection, since I have no problem with other sites. Could you please looking into the issue, sinced it makes it a pain to edit stuff here. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 07:16, 19 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
:It has, this morning. My last two edits I didn't think made it, as the page timed out (after 3 minutes), but it turns out they did. It ''might'' be because of something Nic may be doing at this time, as I noticed it before when I think he was uploading the page ranking extension.<br />
:I hope it isn't Semantics-related.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 08:48, 19 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Looking at the Firebug NET panel, it looks like it's related to the Google Plus stuff. I've seen weirdness like this before at work where we use Google API hosting. Every so often the Google servers apparently get reset and you have to download all the stuff again.<br />
::The strange thing is that it looks like the plus one button image is being downloaded twice. No idea why.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]]<sup>([[User_talk:Mbear|talk]])</sup> 09:18, 19 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::Okay, so what i understand is its beyond our control and we'll just need to ride out the storm. Amazing: Google has had more of an impact on my daily routine with this than the Sun's CDE did last week.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 09:46, 19 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
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===Page Ratings===<br />
I was trying out the new page ratings feature, and there was something I notice that could probably be re-worded. When checking the box "I am highly knowledgeable about this topic (optional)", you get four additional boxes to check: "I have a relevant college/university degree", "It is part of my profession", "It is a deep personal passion", and "The source of my knowledge is not listed here". The first two options really don't apply to this BattleTech Wiki like they do to for Wikipedia. I would suggest dropping them or replacing them with something more applicable an editor of this wiki.--[[User:Seth|Seth]] 11:00, 16 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
:I am with you Seth, i found the new box unconformable for us users, i don't know if we need this first version of the rating box, we are a BattleTech Wiki and not the Wikipedia.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 11:16, 16 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Gentlemen, the survey extension has only been successfully installed, not modified for BTW. The admin team has been working on much more appropriate questions, so please don't worry. There are also several behind-the-scenes things we'd like to be able to do, <u>if</u> we can modify it. In other words, it is still very much a work in progress and if we could have kept it out of the public eye until it was ready.<br />
::BUT...we do want this feedback, so keep it coming. We'll respond as we can. Thanks, guys. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 12:30, 16 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::The Shadow admin caste give use a little bone {{Emoticon| :) }}, but i must say great response Rev., i LOVE sarna.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 18:49, 16 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
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===Catalyst Labs Errata/Ask The Writer/Ask The Lead Developer Questions and Answers===<br />
I apologise if this is the wrong place to ask this question, but I couldn't think of another place to ask that made sense - if it is in the wrong place, please feel free to tell me to take it to another page.<br />
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One of the things I've found myself doing lately is asking a fair number of questions over on the Catalyst Game Labs forums in the Ask The Writers/Ask The Lead Developers areas where I'm trying to pin down answers or details relevant to work I've been doing here. Sometimes, I'm asking for clarifications, other times, I'm asking about things I believe to be erroneous. I then include the responses to the questions in articles on here if it seems appropriate; to be precise, I normally quote the specific text of the response into the article within the notes section of the article. You can see examples of that in the article on the [[Magestrix Guard#Notes|Magestrix Guard]] and the article on the SLDF [[VII Corps (Star League)#Notes|VII Corps]].<br />
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One of the reasons I've taken to quoting the relevant part of the response from the writer or developer is that I know that the Catalyst Labs forum goes through periodic bouts of archiving, where old posts are removed. I know that Catalyst Labs tracks errata and incorporates errata into new editions, when new editions are released... but I'm a little concerned that while we're all trying hard here to make Sarna a valuable tool for players and others, a lot of information that supplements the published information that comes up in areas like the Ask The Writer/Ask The Lead Developer forums isn't captured here unless the person asking the question is a Sarna editor and purposefully updates the relevant articles here.<br />
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So, I was wondering if one of the things we should be trying to do here is keep a track of information released via the Catalyst Labs forums so that it can be incorporated into articles here. A lot of the questions in both forums aren't of any use or relevance to Sarna, but a lot of them are - they clarify or expand on detail in books, sometimes books that are extremely unlikely to see a reprint - and whenever Catalyst do an archive wipe and backup, the information is lost. It may be that the information over there isn't really of interest to editors here currently, but it strikes me that it would be useful to have some sort of page or area here where we can log questions and responses, with links back to the appropriate thread on the CGL site while it exists, so that editors here can see what's around and incorporate it into articles as they feel inclined. There's already a page running here for minor mercenary units that strikes me as serving a similar purpose - it logs mentions of units that may end up being expanded later, citing the original source. It feels like we're potentially losing relevant information, and while I don't know quite how it would be best to get that information across here, I do think we should try. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 03:28, 14 February 2012 (PST)<br />
:Whenever I refer to something that was put up on the Forum (especially official rulings), I usually copy the relevant parts to the article's talk page for reference. Check [[Talk:Kaznejoy]], for example. It's not a rule or policy, just something I do. But it does make sense imho, given that the forums are prone to being moved and losing data. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 03:59, 14 February 2012 (PST)<br />
::I've noticed you doing that, and while it works, it's not really what I was thinking of. I don't have an issue with people copying the relevant details into Talk pages instead of incorporating it into the text - whatever works for you as individual. What I'm concerned about is that I think that as basically the only BattleTech wiki of note out there, we should be trying to capture all of the relevant points raised within the Ask The Writers/Ask The Developers areas on the CGL website and preserving them here. At the moment, we only catch those that either have been raised as a result of someone here asking a question, or someone here reading something that catches their eye - rather than an organised effort to try and consistently capture the responses to questions raised by others and at least record them over here, even if they don't get incorporated into individual articles right away. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 06:12, 14 February 2012 (PST)<br />
:::Ah okay, so you're suggesting that BTW should actually archive and store all canonical rulings and statements from the Forums. That, I'm not subscribing to. Mind you, I wouldn't speak out against it, but this feels like doing CGL's work for them and is kinda besides this wiki's purview imho. In the past, they used to have a document called "Rulings by the Precentor Martial" or somesuch for download, a PDF compilation of rulings from Randall Bills from when he was Line Developer. That kind of documents could be hosted on Sarna in the download section (but not on the wiki) if CGL agrees. But I don't see us in a position to compile the file in the first place. What we can do (and are doing) is to find the relevant articles which are affected by a given ruling, and edit them accordingly - so while we're not neccessarily listing those rulings, they are present on BTW through their inclusion in the relevant articles. At least that's how it should be imho. (Hope this makes sense.) [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 12:35, 14 February 2012 (PST)<br />
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===BattleMech sub-page===<br />
Can a Sub page be created to sort the BattleMechs by availability and mortality dates. Say broken down by 10 or 50 year spans. I don't know if that is part of the data base or not.. Imrie Staffson 02:46, 11 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
:A sub-page would not be able to "sort" in the way a database does. A category could serve the purpose, but would be bad at it. We tried categories to sort battle values but eventually did away with them because they were ineffective. A wiki just isn't a database. --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 00:54, 12 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
::A timeline extension like this one [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:EasyTimeline Extension:EasyTimeline] would be an effective way to visually represent the availability of each mech. It would be a very tall timeline, but it would work. It would however require the admin of this site to install it, and it's a huge P.I.A. I tried on my wiki and gave up.<br />
:::Now that Nic has added Semantic Wiki to this wiki, it is very easy to create a sortable list of mechs and be able to sort them by production, extinction, or reintroduction dates. You can see this new [[BattleMech Timetable]] page lists all the Mechs. Specific instructions on how to add information to this table is included on that page, but basically instead of editing that page, you instead edit the specific BattleMech page. Once a BattleMech's page is edited, the information is automatically added to the timetable page. It will require quite a bit of time to research the dates for all the Mech's though, so it won't be complete for quite a while.--[[User:Seth|Seth]] 15:05, 15 February 2012 (PST)<br />
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===Deleting Spambot accounts===<br />
Spambots currently get blocked and deleted, but their accounts remain registered. This gives a warped look on active members on BTW. Is there any way to empower Admins to delete registered users? [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 11:43, 8 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
:I'm not sure. I'm waiting to hear back from Nic on several other issues, plus I have a number more to introduce. This ties in well with other access questions; I'll ask.--[[User:Revanche|Rev]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 13:05, 8 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Nic will need to install the "merge and delete users" extension. After that, normal admins will be able to delete all the registered spam bot accounts.--[[User:Seth|Seth]] 06:32, 2 February 2012 (PST)<br />
:::Now that the merge and delete extension has been installed, admins on here can go to the [[Special pages]] and use it. I would suggest creating one single spam bot account, then merge all spam bot accounts with that name. As you do that, you can delete their current account and any contributions they might have made.--[[User:Seth|Seth]] 15:33, 15 February 2012 (PST)<br />
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===Blocking Spammers===<br />
I've noticed a recent trend where spammers are creating User pages in which to hawk their links. '''Administrators''', please block the IP before deleting the page, so that we can start to cut down on these site attacks.<br />
Steps:<br />
# On [[Special:RecentChanges]], click on '''Block''' first.<br />
# Select a term length (my default is one year) from '''Expiry'''.<br />
# Select ''Spamming links to external sites'' in the '''Reason''' field.<br />
# Make sure ''Prevent account creation '' and ''Automatically block the last IP address used by this user, and any subsequent IPs they try to edit from '' are checked.<br />
# Click the '''Block this user''' button<br />
# Go back to [[Special:RecentChanges]] and click on the User page.<br />
# Delete it with fervor.<br />
Thanks. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 13:52, 6 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
: Hopefully the ReCaptcha plugin will help a bit with this. [[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] 23:46, 21 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Adding a request to users who are not Admins: Please do not edit spam pages, not even blanking/inserting a deletion tag. That just adds unneccessary edits and I'm not sure if spambots monitor activity in this way. The admins are patrolling the recent changes on a daily basis and will take care of spam by summarily deleting it. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 09:13, 26 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::I suggest editing the reCaptcha extension that is already installed to require users to enter the captcha if they add external links to their pages. Whoever is the admin simply needs to open the LocalSettings file, find the "$wgCaptchaTriggers['createaccount'] = true;" line which is already there and add "$wgCaptchaTriggers['addurl'] = true; ". Only takes a few seconds.{{Unsigned|Seth|00:14, 8 December 2011}}<br />
::::Seth, I am responding on your [[User talk:Seth|talk page]]. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 15:19, 8 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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===Suggestion:Transclusion===<br />
one thing that might be useful is mastering/implementing wiki transclusion (it scares me too much to try at this point, but its the only thing that appears to fit the bill)... --[[User:PerkinsC|Cameron]] 14:37, 2 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
main question is whither or not transclusion works here... if so, what things could be transcluded?--[[User:PerkinsC|Cameron]] 14:07, 4 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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====Mech variant Pages==== <br />
(Transcluding the "Overview" and/or "Battle History" Fluff from the Mechs Main Page) with the stats on the side being for the specific variant, This would have the advantage of transcluded Text being edited in one spot and the rest being page specific. --[[User:PerkinsC|Cameron]] 14:37, 2 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Best handled in [[Project_BattleMechs#Variant_Pages]]--[[User:PerkinsC|Cameron]] 14:07, 4 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I see what you're saying, but I think the very concept of transclusion is baffling to the majority of users, so it would be difficult to /require/. I guess I'd have no problem with an expert back-adapting an article to transclude, but I wouldn't make it part of the 'how to start' templates we have for beginning editors (and I still use those templates, myself).--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 17:00, 23 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::i've been more looking at transclusion with an "ohh my, that looks easy to do but hard to learn" perspective.. ::bugging eyes::, wonder if it would be easy enought to put into transclusion specific weapons or mech templates. Is there any one here with experience?--[[User:PerkinsC|Cameron]] 15:03, 8 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::[[User:Xoid|Xoid]] can do so rather easily, but he is more of a [[Colonial Marshal]] admin and isn't here too much. In the end, this project would have to be undertaken by someone who wants to work thru all affected 'Mechs and is willing to learn transclusion to do it. I've got the latter skills, but am too widely focused to deal only with 'Mechs. And, it sounds like some consensus on variant pages needs to be reached, before picking up that scale of a project, anyhow. I believe [[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] is the acting project head of [[BTW:PBM]] at the moment; I recommend you try and pitch your concept to him over there. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 15:44, 8 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::I'm not sure if anyone is still looking for this, but transcluding a section of existing mech pages is easy to do if the person who runs this wiki adds this extension [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Labeled_Section_Transclusion Extension:Labeled Section Transclusion]. Basically, if you take the Atlas article for example, you enclose the description paragraph with this tag, <nowiki><section begin=description /></nowiki> and end it with <nowiki><section end=description /></nowiki>, then any page where you add <nowiki>{{#lst:Atlas (BattleMech)|description}}</nowiki> will have that paragraph displayed. Easy right?--[[User:Seth|Seth]] 05:51, 8 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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====Weapon Variant Pages====<br />
Transclusion would Also be useful in Weapons, granted, on the BattleTech Scale, an Autocannon/20 is an Autocannon/20... But I am planning to do/have done some manufacturer / brand specific subpages for the weapons that would transclude the Macro/BattleTech Fluff from the main page for the weapon, and have Manufacturer/Brand specific RPG Stats, Eventually planning to do page and book references for where the information comes from.--[[User:PerkinsC|Cameron]] 14:37, 2 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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===Thudgun Omni Config Image Upload Request===<br />
I may just be new at this, but I am not sure how to add files to the downloads section. I have received a zip archive of all the 3050 omnimech configurations that were formerly hosted on thudgun.com (which has apparently been shut down). This has been a great resource for many people and I thought that posting these images on BTWiki would be the best possible place for them. With that, how do I upload these files, or if necessary, who do I send them to get them uploaded?<br />
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[[User:Stinger07|Stinger07]] 06:48, 12 March 2012 (PDT)Stinger07<br />
:Nic will need to upload that ZIP File to the Downloads section, I think. <br />
:However, if you're willing to do a little work you can upload them to the generic files section of the site yourself. I mean, you can upload each individual file to Sarna and include it on the relevant page. Interested in doing that?--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]]<sup>([[User_talk:Mbear|talk]])</sup> 08:11, 12 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Admin Help Requests (Completed) ==<br />
''Please move help requests here after the request is answered, with the latest (according to last answer) sorted to the top of this section.'''<br />
:''Note: Requests pertaining to specific spambots/spam users/spam edits are not archived. Please simply delete such requests here after dealing with the problem. The same goes for other minor requests such as the move or deletion of a misnamed article page.''<br />
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===Unable to Log In===<br />
I don't know what's going on with the wiki today, but I'm having a lot of problems accessing the site. Pages are taking 3-4 minutes to load; I attempted to do an edit of the [[2nd Canopian Light Horse]] entry, and despite trying to preview the changes half a dozen times and save the changes several times, every single time I got told that session data had been lost and I should try again. I've had the site fail to load, with an error page popping up announcing that there's some sort of problem; I've tried logging out, only to find that I now can't log in again - even when I use IE with internet cookies enabled, I get an error message announcing that I can't log in because I have cookies disabled. I notice from a comment just after midnight on Doneve's talk page that Neuling also appears to be unable to log in. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] [[Special:Contributions/81.105.60.101|81.105.60.101]] 06:09, 8 January 2012 (PST)<br />
:Neuling posted a similar problem. Myself, I was logged on and could access pages, but found it impossible to edit or create new articles. The site was also extremely slow. No idea what the problem was. As of writing this, the problem seems to be resolved, so I am moving this to the Completed section. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 10:26, 8 January 2012 (PST)<br />
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===Deletion Request===<br />
Can someone please delete this file? [[:File:OA RW 2583.png]] - it's one of a series of maps I've produced for an upcoming article on Operation UNION HOLD, the Star League invasion of the Outworlds Alliance during the Reunification War. Having made and uploaded it, as I prepared notes for the article I discovered a couple of mistakes; I considered uploading a revised version of the map, but then decided that the map was entirely too cluttered to be particularly helpful, and have instead replaced it with two new maps. Whereas this map tried to cover all of the combat actions in 2583, the replacement maps cover actions up until March 2583 (the invasion of Cerberus) and then the remainder of 2853. That makes this original map both inaccurate and redundant. Many thanks! [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 07:49, 24 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Done. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 08:00, 24 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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===Add MWLL to sidebar?===<br />
As there is now a decent article written on [[Mechwarrior:Living Legends]], could it be linked in the sidebar under Homebrew Game Systems? --[[User:Cygma|Cygma]]<br />
:Ähm, i canot see any link, and i think you have not the permission to do this, please talk to a addmin to have a permission to do this, and as second Living Legends is allway added as BT product and ís not need a link in the sidebar. --[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 17:01, 12 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Oops, link fixed. Talking to admins is exactly why i am writing here? If there is a specific admin i should contact feel free to tell me...<br />
::And why should it not be added to "Homebrew Game Systems"? Other non-commercial projects are already linked there... --[[User:Cygma|Cygma]] 03:25, 16 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::I may be wrong, but I believe all of the games under that listing allow you to play Classic BattleTech. I don't know anything about MW:LL, but if it's based on Crysis, then I can't imagine that's possible. --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 22:11, 16 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::Seeing how the "Official Game Systems" lists Mechwarrior games i thought the "Homebrew" part was similar for non-official releases etc. based on CBT (which MW:LL is too). If it's only for tabletop-like sytems, my misunderstanding ;) --[[User:Cygma|Cygma]] 00:20, 17 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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===New project for BT technology===<br />
I have been looking through some of the pages on technology and there seem to be some missing while many pages that do exist have cleanup tags on them. Additionally work is ongoing to clean up the [[Jump Jet]] Page and some pages such as the ones for fusion engines would use a similar cleanup to their manufacturers lists. I was wondering if it would be appropriate to make a new BTW project focused on improving and maintaining the pages on technology and equipment. If that is acceptable how does one go about getting a project started and gathering a team of people to help out with it? --[[User:BirdofPrey|BirdofPrey]] 18:58, 13 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
:*Very good idea, i want to help you by this project.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 20:29, 13 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
:*BirdofPrey...not hard at all. And I think you've identified an area that would definitely benefit from such coordination. What most people do is copy an exisiting project page and modify it to meet their objectives. As for getting people, direct contact would be the best bet: notify those that you know have interest or have made significant edits to technology-related articles. However, I will be glad to post both the project and a news announcement to the front page, when you have the site ready. Let me know, ok?--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 21:03, 13 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
::I started on writing a project page, but I have no idea how to create templates. I was hoping to get what the other projects have that say 'this page falls under our project' and was thinking we need infoboxes for equipment like what weapons already have (I was also thinking the boxes for weapons could be expanded to list rules level and the availability rating) Can anyone help me in that regard?--[[User:BirdofPrey|BirdofPrey]] 22:45, 13 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Use the search function and type Category:Infbox templates, i think this helps you :).--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 22:54, 13 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Tried copying another projects banner and editing it to link to the tech project, but I'm not sure I know how to work it right.--[[User:BirdofPrey|BirdofPrey]] 23:37, 13 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::I think Revanche can helps, talk to him.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 23:41, 13 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
::So after looking at other info box templates, I have determined that have no clue how they work. Can somebody who does know how they work make one for equipment or expand the weapons infobox to be able to be used for all equipment whether it does damage or not (or point me in the direction of some instructions on how to do it myself)?--[[User:BirdofPrey|BirdofPrey]] 01:44, 14 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::The weapon IFB template has been so modified. --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 01:55, 14 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::Thanks. That also gives me insight into what pieces of code accomplish what. I have a couple of additional questions, electronics have their own category, does that have to be listed on the template page to show up properly or can I put it in the copy on the equipment page. Also, since weapons fall under the purview of the tech project anyways, would altering the list of categories in the weapon infobox template's type section to follow the equipment types in the latest rulebooks be appropriate? (it lists ballistic and energy but TW prefaces both of those with direct fire, missiles are listed as explosive which is a different type entirely according to the table in TW, a few types such as anti-infantry and heat causing are missing, etc.)--[[User:BirdofPrey|BirdofPrey]] 02:28, 14 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
::I am probably going to spend the next 5 days being totally anal about the project page, but you can go ahead and announce it now.--[[User:BirdofPrey|BirdofPrey]] 04:42, 14 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Done: Newsburst and placement on Current Projects.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 14:57, 14 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::If you want categories for direct-fire weapons and such, I would just create new categories for them rather than trying to migrate all weapons to all-new categories. Since it sounds to me like you want to create new categories, that's probably something you should discuss on an appropriate talk page. --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 23:46, 14 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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===Republic of the Sphere===<br />
Hello everyone, i noticed something odd about the [[The Republic of the Sphere]], there are advertisement inserted into the wording of the article that non-Sarna.net related items. Words that are effected "special" "administration" "the planet". I tried edit remove them, but they don't appear (from what i can tell) in the normal coding a editor usually can see. My time online is limited, so i can't rebuild what was effected. I can't even tell how it happened or if this a site issue. I haven't looked at older articles to see if this non-sense is happening else where. Help? -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 02:17, 7 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Wrangler, at first I was really confused (and obviously concerned) by what you reproted here. I've checked into it, but don't see anything in the normal view, nor the coding. However, I do recall being irked by certain (other) sites that embed advertising links into words, as if they were wikilinks. I don't see them here (on this site nor in my IE6 work browser), but suspect the problem may be on your end. Its very possible you have some sort of 'addition' to your browser that creates HTML links on-the-fly, leading you to bogus search engines that sell advertising per click. In other words, as you load up a page, the script now attached to your browser scans the page for words and chooses a few that have been pegged by their clients as advertising search terms. Question: do the links display differently for you than the typical wikilinks we use here?--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 13:33, 7 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::They did look differient, they lead to out-side websites. However, i just looked at them now and their gone. Their like ads that hidden in the text of webpages. Taking words of the original fluff and making them links should the user click on them. I recently had a problem with my browser and cranked up my security which may explain why i'm not seeing them anymore. I think they maybe coming from internet ads sarna advertises. I don't enough about web codes to explain it better. It maybe randomly happening to articles and vanishing from them. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 23:39, 12 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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===Weapons infobox===<br />
Has gone haywire. Since I don't know how the infobox code works I don't want to muck with it further. Take a look at [[Autocannon/10]] for example, or I guess pretty much any weapon page... -- [[User:LRichardson|LRichardson]] 17:30, 27 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:What does "gone haywire" mean? What should I be seeing on the Autocannon/10 page that isn't correct?--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 17:41, 27 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Hmm... Well, when I look at it right now the box has disappeared and has turned into a text only list at the top of the article, justified left. Now, I use one of the alternate themes when viewing the site, perhaps that has something to do with it? <pokepokepoke>... Sure enough, the issue is only occurring when I am using the "Modern" skin on my preferences page, the box looks fine when I use the Sarna skin. Hmm... -- [[User:LRichardson|LRichardson]] 18:26, 27 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Mbear, I don't see what LRichardson reports, but other than the infobox, the page is bleached of color and the sidebar is occluded from under the site logo all the way to 'MechForce (Amiga)', with the exception of the search box. I'm using IE7 (at the moment) and 'Sarna' skin.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 14:07, 28 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::I was the last one to edit the Weapons Info Box, and any mistakes i made would have shown up well before now (i checked), i have not made changes to the format of the imfobox... what else could be causing it? are any other templates getting funky?--[[User:PerkinsC|Cameron]] 19:21, 28 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::OK. It looks like Nic's removed the "modern" skin and left seven Sarna-related skins in it's place. When I change to the "Classic" skin, all the infoboxes are set at the top of the page, as are the category links. Some investigation showed that this was due to the fact that the wikistandard CSS file doesn't contain any positioning information for those page elements. In short, LRichardson will have to use one of the other skins to get the infobox correct. Sorry about that answer, but it's the best I can do. :( --[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 17:49, 13 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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===Naming of Weapons/Equipment Variant Pages===<br />
Which would be preferred for these? Currently i am doing "Manufacturer or Brand"/"Model" (with disambig style weapon type) so it is [[General Motors/Whirlwind (AC-5)]] for the Marauders weapon. but I wonder if it would be more (useful/in keeping with the nomenclature here) to do [[Autocannon/5/General Motors/Whirlwind]]--[[User:PerkinsC|Cameron]] 14:37, 2 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
:The problem with using "/"s is that the wiki interprets that to be a subpage. As it is now, the Whirlwind article is a subpage of General Motors, not Autocannon/5, which I assume to be your intention. Of course, there is also the problem that MediaWiki thinks "Autocannon/5" is a subpage of "Autocannon". --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 23:55, 4 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
::not really a problem... would be better if WikiMedia interpeted SRM-4 as a subpage for SRM as it does Autocannon/5 as a subpage of Autocannon - this would better fit BattleTech Nomenclature. the essence of my question was whither {Manufacturer/Brand (disambig)} would fit or if it was deemed better to do {Weapon Type/SubType/Manufacturer/Brand}. I like the {Manufacturer/Brand (disambig)} style because it can get away with doing the brand name or add the disambig for equipment type if necessary as opposed to using the larger name space required for the page to branch off the Autocannon/5 page (less typing is always better)--[[User:PerkinsC|Cameron]] 16:18, 23 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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===PDF files not acceptable?===<br />
A while back I composed myself a PDF of a blank mapsheet. It is a vector graphics based file suitable for high resolution printing. I wanted to link to it on the mapsheets page I created but I cannot upload it. Rasterizing the image would make it huge as the file is referenced at 600dpi x 27" x 22", as a PDF it is a managable size. Any suggestions? -- [[User:LRichardson|LRichardson]] 04:52, 27 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:A while ago we deliberately limited the file formats that could be uploaded. The wiki format is unsuitable as a file repository and (iirc) our Bureaucrat and site owner Nic said it generated too much traffic. We do have a download section on this site, and I would suggest you contact Nic Jansma ([[User:Nicjansma]]) and ask him to put your PDF there. (Admittedly, the download section is sort of a stepchild on this site and has not been upgraded for years - one of the many things on the to-do list... :) ). [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 05:59, 27 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Makes sense. Thanks for the direction.-- [[User:LRichardson|LRichardson]] 17:27, 27 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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===Quick-Strike Rules Article Request===<br />
Hello there. Since were getting a bunch of products for the ''Quick-Strike Rules'', i think we may need have a article dedicate it. Unit Cards are for use of the new version of Battleforce, but their intended for Quick-Strike. Is possible to find someone write it up? I'm not that savy writing up game system type articles. I can try, but they don't not always write up good articles on game rules as i would like. Would there be someone out there would could write this article? It seems becoming bigger thing since these rules and products are also linked to [[BattleForce]] as products like unit cards go -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 18:00, 27 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Go ahead and try (aka, "'''[[Be Bold]]'''"). Even if the wording doesn't come out good, another editor may eventually clean it up. On big subjects, I personally prefer badly-worded content to no content at all (YMMV). However, that only applies to high-profile topics. Everybody contributing on BTW should generally try to write good articles so as not to tie up other editor's time for copyediting the sloppy work of others. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 11:30, 23 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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===Removal of an article===<br />
I made a minor error and created the page "Branth (species)" by accident. I have created a correct page "Branth" that can stay so do not delete the incorrect one. My apologies! [[User:CungrVanck|CungrVanck]] 00:35, 20 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Done. Consider using the "move" button next time (this will also create a redirect from the old article to the new one). Finally, please add new requests to the top, not the bottom, of the list. :) [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 06:47, 20 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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===Crybaby throwing a tantrum===<br />
Maybe I'm just being dense, but I can't get the front page display the reworked news section correctly for the life of me. Now I somehow messed up the front page (not too badly luckily). Help appreciated in getting the formatting back on track. :( [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 09:42, 21 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
:It looks like you accidentally deleted the table row that holds the Chatterweb stuff. I put it back and I think we're all good now.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 12:15, 21 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
::"Assistance Appreciated" (as in, Award 2nd ribbon given, plus Problem Solver award) :) [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 12:46, 21 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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===Davion Brigade of Guards===<br />
Hy guys, i found a problem in the Davion Brigade section, i cant see the unit insignia images, is it a wiki problem, then the images are uploaded.Thanks--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 14:08, 6 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
:? Looks fine to me - the insignia are all there where they belong. I guess there's been a connection problem on your end or something like that. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 18:21, 6 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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===Cleanup Template===<br />
Hello Admins, can we make the [[Template:cleanup|Cleanup Template]] a little bit, (the words are in my head, but my english writing :()...i think he needs a new outfit ;), it looks very sterile and and, any ideas or response.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 02:53, 14 January 2011 (UTC) <br />
:Can you elaborate on what you feel is wrong with the template? Personally, I like short and concise wording and I think the template conveys exactly what it is meant to say in a sober, matter-of-fact way. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 11:30, 23 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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===Category: Dark Age Mechs===<br />
I've been looking at the [[:Category: Dark Age Mechs|category]] that currently exists with that name, because it always bugs me that it doesn't fit in with the naming conventions used for other BattleMech categories. In my mind, it should read '''Category:Dark Age BattleMechs''', but it isn't just BattleMechs, as IndustrialMechs are included in the category too. I'm thinking it should then be '''Category:Dark Age 'Mechs''' (with the apostrophe), but then it still seems like it is different than what the name ''suggests.'' Help me wrap my mind around this?--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 13:25, 1 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
::(Using heavy duty scotch tape for wrapping of Rev's mind) Hi there. I have not been involved with the new Dark Age 'Mech. However, i've noticed mis-labelling of sorts. [[Carbine]] for instance resemble the [[ConstructionMech]], but its not same machine. I believe what defines a mech is dark age is something constructed after the During or after the Jihad. Were starting to see alot age old Succession War 'Mechs as well Clan Era machine show up. Xanthos for example is Age of War design, yet it was resurrected during the Jihad, but it appeared in MWDA game system first. How do you define such large era machine? I think best way to keep it simple. Since the at moment, Dark Age Era for Battletech starts immediately after the Jihad <3081>(which i don't agree it should.) Were going see alot of the old fan favorites end up in the Jihad. Dark Age mech used to only exist in its own time period. Original, Dark Age ment it priemer and was used in with MechWarrior click game or was something related to it, like characters. Were going have alot dublication with category if were not careful. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 14:20, 1 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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===Watchlist===<br />
Why does the option show all doesn't work? I can only see changes from the last 7 days but the option show all should show me changes from the last 30 days. --[[User:BigDuke66|BigDuke66]] 10:31, 11 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I'm not sure. Nic? --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 19:06, 20 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
::The default "max days" is 7 -- but I've bumped this up to 30 days for you. I couldn't verify it was working properly -- please let me know if you still only see 7 days. [[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] 17:40, 1 March 2009 (PST)<br />
:::Still strange, in my preferences I tried to set the "Days to show in recent changes:" higher then 7 and also set the "Maximum number of days to show in watchlist:" higher but anything higher then 7 will be set to 7 and when I use the "all" option on my watchlist I get about 10 days. --[[User:BigDuke66|BigDuke66]] 07:43, 3 March 2009 (PST)<br />
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===Fan Fiction Category===<br />
I was checking out the fan fiction page, and it seems to have a lot of images in the fan fiction category. I would suggest making a sub category for fan made images. I created a Category:Fan Made Art which is a sub-category of Category:Fan Fiction. I also made a Template:Fanon Art page. Adding the <nowiki>{{Fanon Art}}</nowiki> tag to those images instead of <nowiki>{{Fanon}}</nowiki> will add the same red fanon tag at the top of the page, but add it the subcategory instead. --[[User:Seth|Seth]] 23:27, 22 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
:I agree with the idea solely based on the wish to remove the images from the main category. But I wouldn't want to differentiate the plethora of existing Fan Work beyond that. Also, suggest to rename the sub-cat "Fanmade Images". [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 11:30, 23 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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===Import Image Award Nomination===<br />
I'd like to nominate [[User:Doneve|Doneve]] for an Import Image Award (the third, in this case), for the work being put into the [[BattleTechWiki:Project Planets/Planet Overhaul/Faction Map Gallery|reference gallery]] of map images for the Planets Project. Doneve is doing far more than just cropping images and uploading them; each of the images is being adjusted by hand to show only the subject nations, with borders, arrows, legends and other such devices removed. There are more than 30 images already created and uploaded by Doneve, and in the vast majority of cases they are the first dedicated map of that region uploaded into the general maps gallery as well. While there's a lot of work still to be done, I think Doneve has already made a big investment of time and effort into producing legible, high-quality maps for use by the project team and the wiki users in general. Thank you for your consideration. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 16:42, 12 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Thanks a lot BrokenMnemonic, for your nomination, and nice to have you on sarna.net, and specially to have you on our three combo team, to overhaul the planet pages.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 17:02, 12 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Nomination received. Thank you. --[[User:Revanche|Rev]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 17:13, 12 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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===Help Request in labeling a non-canon image(s)===<br />
Howdy, someone uploaded a non-canon imagine of the [[:File:2750th.png|Terran Hegemony Map]]. There no label stating it is fan-made and not a product of canon source. Does anyone know what were suppose to do about this? I've not dealth with a direct png image before. Usually these things have page that gives direction of the imagine. Someone thought that image that was uploaded was canon. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 02:34, 17 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
:OK. What you have to do is put in a link to the image like this: <nowiki>[[Image:2750th.png|Terran Hegemony Map]]</nowiki>. This will include the image on the page. From there, you can click the image and you'll be taken to the image's wiki page. Then you can add the tag you need.<br />
:In this case it looks like someone has beaten you to it.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 17:46, 17 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::It was me, I stumbled onto the source of the image. I was able track the non-canon image from person whom uploaded them. I've labeled it non-canon long with bunch of others that were uploaded as well. I'm sorry for cause a fuss, but i hated to see Sarna.net rep possibly damaged. Making people think we have unorganized non-canon stuff looming around possing as canon material. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 18:24, 17 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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=== Update to DropShip and WarShip infoboxes===<br />
[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] and [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] made a request on [[User_talk:Mbear#DropShip_-_WarShip_etc...|my talk page]] to make these modifications:<br />
# Update the DropShip infobox to include an '''Escape Pod/Life Boat''' line like the WarShip infobox.<br />
# Update the DropShip infobox to include an '''AeroSpace Fighter capacity''' line.<br />
# Update the WarShip infobox to include an '''AeroSpace Fighter capacity''' line.<br />
I've taken care of the first request. It won't show up until an editor puts in the Escape Pod/Life Boat information so existing DropShip articles don't break.<br />
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On #2 and #3, I pushed back a bit and suggested that we consider '''Small Craft capacity''' instead of '''AeroSpace Fighter capacity'''. Ships like the [[Nekohono'o]] class can carry 6 ASF + 9 Battle Taxis for example, but they can also swap out the taxis and carry 15 ASF if required.<br />
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Any thoughts on this?--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 13:28, 6 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Since I haven't heard anything, I went ahead and implemented the new lines. They're in place now.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 14:49, 10 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
::add both small craft and asf capacity... The masses of the bay are differnt--[[User:PerkinsC|Cameron]] 05:46, 9 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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===Moratorium Periods===<br />
Hey guys - what's the easiest way to find out if the material from a particular work is fair game to be cited in an article? [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 21:19, 21 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Usually, the moratorium tag in the article about a given work will state when the moratorium expires. See [[Historical Turning Points: Galtor]] as an example - it says the moratorium on this publication expires after 1 April 2010. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]]<br />
:Hy falls Record Sheets: 3060 Unabridged under the moratorium phase or it is done.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 09:36, 9 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
::According to http://www.battlecorps.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=27_35_208&products_id=2417, the moratorium period expired. --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 15:26, 9 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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===Request for Article Review===<br />
I was wondering if I could get a review of my [[Battle of Mars]] article. I'm always interested in feedback. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 18:52, 5 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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===Requesting template When?===<br />
Now that we are working on year pages and trying to improve date info it would be very useful to have Template:When to mark need of more info.<br />
See: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:When Template:When]<br />
--[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 19:47, 30 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Done. I would suggest adding some language to [[Policy:Year Pages]] about making sure that dates in articles are unambiguous. --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 01:51, 31 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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=== SturmFeur(Update)) ===<br />
The [[SturmFeur(update)]] is directly from 3039 which I now understand is copyrite infrengement. I do not want to claim ownership for someone elses work. How do I create this page and keep it cannon? <br />
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Also the orginal article [[SturmFeur]] article for 3026 is completely different from the article in 3039. I'm not sure how to merge them. <br />
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I have removed the content from the [[SturmFeur(update)]] page until we can get the copyrite resolved.<br />
--[[User:jherbert2|jherbert2]] 15:37, 25 March 2010 (UTC)jherbert<br />
:Thanks for being so proactive on this, jherbert2. I commented on the [[SturmFeur(update)]]'s discussion page. Don't give up; its not easy, but each of the existing articles are labors of love. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 19:27, 25 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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===Greetings===<br />
I wish the Admins and other user's a merry christmas and a habby new year.Lets roll on. [[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 08:07, 25 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Thanks!--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 18:12, 5 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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===Subcategory for C3 equipped unit?===<br />
Hi, I haven't contributed much but I have found the site to be very useful so thanks for all your work. I've used BTW a lot lately as I have recently started to build up my mini collection and BTW has helped me with selecting ones I want to buy. I have a Tai Sho and since it has C3 Master capability, I would like to pick up some compatible Slave-equipped Mechs. I was wondering if it would be possible to set up a subcategory of units that have C3 equipment? That would be helpful in picking lances as well as buying minis. If I can help, please let me know. [[User:Maddog3025|Maddog3025]] 05:09, 29 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
:For all of the other Editors here, thanks for the appreciation. I'm not too heavily involved in the [[BattleTechWiki:Project BattleMechs|BattleMech Project]] anymore, but its gratifying to hear that people are using our work in such an involved way ''and'' get feedback on it.<br />
:As for the Category, I think it is a great idea. If a category has a perceived need and it can be filled with more than a minimum number of articles, then it is, frankly, needed. So, don't feel like you need approval to build it, ok? Now, the issue will be in finding someone who has the interest in doing so, if you do not. As editorship on BTW is open to everyone, it is no one person's specific responsibility. My suggestion would be to look at Project:BattleMechs and find someone listed there who is active now and approach them. Or, if you let me know, I can start the category for you and show you how to tag one such article, so you can go in and find the others. (It'd be relatively easy, using C3 as a search term, I'd think.)--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 12:28, 29 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
::I've created some new categories to do this. I'll be adding them to the appropriate 'Mech pages in the future.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 18:11, 29 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Of course it would help if I had put the link in place: [[:Category:C3_Equipped_BattleMechs]]--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 18:12, 29 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::All done.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 00:34, 30 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::Wow, that was quick! Thank you Mbear. Revanche- you are welcome for the compliment. I've been using the site a lot and its been handy on many occasions. This format is so great as it allows you to sort things in so many ways. I looked through the vehicle list and noted some missing ones, so I'll be glad to create a few of those and you guys can tidy up my crude efforts. Have a good weekend, all! [[User:Maddog3025|Maddog3025]] 01:26, 30 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::Hi again, I guess I won't quite let this thread die. I apologize if I leave this request in the wrong place. I have created the Bandit hovercraft and I am working on the Plainsman. I think I've done a bit better than my previous attempt on the Alacorn. However, if you have any tips for me to improve my work (and maybe reduce the amount of bugs you guys have to fix, please shoot me an email. Thanks again. ```` {{Unsigned|Maddog3025|11:37, 31 January 2010 }}<br />
::::::: I'll take a look. Look at the article history to see my changes as an idea on how to step in the right direction. Also, just a tip: its a nice idea to wikilink to articles you mention in your post, to make it easier to have people look at what you'd like, such as [[Plainsman]] and [[Bandit]]. Glad you're onboard. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 18:57, 31 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I have added similar categories for C3 equipped combat vehicles since I found the categories for mechs so useful and wanted to expand that usefulness to vehicles. Any hep with adding vehicles to the new categories is appreciated. [[User:BirdofPrey|BirdofPrey]] 08:03, 12 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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=== Plagiarism ===<br />
I noticed that most of the content on the [[Free_Worlds_League/History]] page is taken directly from the [[20 Year Update]] section on the Free Worlds League. (The military ranks and history sections appear to be new.) I went ahead and put the Plagarism template on the relevant sections. (I'm not able to get to it right now.) --[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 01:44, 28 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Thanks, Mbear. It doesn't require fixing by the discovery, just tagging, such as you did. The [[BattleTechWiki:ToDo|To Do List]] will count and track such tags, for Editors seeking something to improve upon. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 12:22, 29 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
=== Updated Weapon InfoBox Template ===<br />
''Not a help request, but I wanted you to see this.'' I put together a lot of information about Capital Weapons, which include an '''extreme''' range bracket. Since the current weapon infobox doesn't have the extreme range data field, and not all weapons have it, I created a new InfoBox that will include the extreme range bracket info if it's present. This will allow the Aerospace fighter ranges on the appropriate weapon page, without breaking the existing content.<br />
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I named the sample infobox [[Template:InfoBoxWeaponMB]] so I wouldn't overwrite anything. You can see it in action at [[User:Mbear/Infoboxtest]]. If you like the update, it should be easy to copy to the existing template. Have a good one!--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 18:10, 26 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Good job, man. Great addition. Feel free to replace the exisiting with that one. I can't see how consensus would not be in approval. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 19:27, 26 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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=== MWDA Dossiers: How do I link to local copies? ===<br />
You may remember that [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] pointed to the MWDA dossiers on Warrenborn.com and I separated the multipage PDF files into a set of single page PDFs ([[User:Mbear/MWDADossiers|listed here]]). My question is how to update the reference links to point to these local resources. The [[Atlas_(BattleMech)|Atlas]] page uses a complete URL for the link, and I'm wondering if that's the best solution or if I should use a '''File''' or '''Image''' tag. Thanks! --[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 18:50, 31 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
:For this specific instance, I think linking to them as is done now works just fine. --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 05:27, 1 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Unfortunately, linking to them like that fails. For some reason, URL links don't need a pipe between the address and the link title, only a space. I've removed the piping from the Atlas examples. Oh, and I agree: I like linking to them as you have done, also. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 05:44, 1 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::OK. I'll just use the standard link type <nowiki>[[URL Linktext]]</nowiki> Thanks!--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 22:06, 4 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::I think you mean <nowiki>[URL Linktext]</nowiki> (i.e., one open/close bracket each), but saying so, just in case.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 22:16, 4 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::Yes, that's exactly what I meant. I wasn't incorrect; I was testing you. {{Emoticon| ;) }} You passed! Congratulations! Go get yourself a cookie.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 14:54, 5 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::"[http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nom Nom, nom nom]." While it's the thought that counts, now I have to re-log into Sarna to replace my cookie. Thanks, anyway. {{Emoticon| ;) }}--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 15:01, 5 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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===Question:Uploading Pictures===<br />
Currently Engaged in creating pages for infantry weapons, wondering how/where to upload images. Main issue beyond my ignorance is Whither or not to Upload the Weapon images which for the first batch would be Sourced from TR3026. I Make the Assumption that this would be OK since we have Mech Images Here. The Other Alternative is to use WikiMedia Commons images from Real World Weapons that resemble the TR3026 artwork. --[[User:PerkinsC|Cameron]] 15:03, 5 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Completed and moved--[[User:PerkinsC|Cameron]] 14:07, 4 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Product scans are fine. --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 15:37, 5 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Thanks, is there a Help/Procedure article for how to upload images? --[[User:PerkinsC|Cameron]] 15:45, 5 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::DOH Never Mind, Found it in the Menu Bar on the Right under Tools... Now, how do you alter the name of an Image File? Wasn't Thinking when I uploaded the First 10 or so. --[[User:PerkinsC|Cameron]] 17:50, 5 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Just click 'move' at the top tab menu. It works that way for articles, too. --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 20:51, 5 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::"Move" does not appear to be available on the image page, the only tabs that i see are "File", "Discussion", "Edit", "History", "Unwatch".--[[User:PerkinsC|Cameron]] 22:50, 5 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Move is actually only for Admins {{emoticon|:P}}. I can move it for you if you give me the exact name. The easiest thing to do, though, is to upload the image again with the correct name and place a delete request on the old image. It's what I do on a lot of other wikis. --<span style="font-family:Courier">[[User:Ebakunin|Ebakunin]]</span> <sup>([[User talk:Ebakunin|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Ebakunin|contribs]])</sup> 03:28, 6 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::Was wondering if that was the only way, will do. Thanks all.--[[User:PerkinsC|Cameron]] 14:19, 6 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Completed and moved--[[User:PerkinsC|Cameron]] 14:07, 4 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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===Question:Naming Pictures===<br />
What is considered "Best Practices" when naming image files, IOW which File Name is Preferred for a filesourced from Page 123 of Technical Readout 3026 depicting a Dart Gun.<br />
*A: "Dart_Gun.jpg"<br />
*B: "Dart_Gun-TR3026"<br />
*C: "Dart_Gun_-_TR3026_p123.jpg"<br><br />
PRO for C is that the Book and page from the origin is included in the file name, the CON is that it is an aweful lot of typing.<br />
PRO for A is that it has less typing, CON is that does not allow for multiple pictures from different sources.<br />
PRO for B is that it allows for multiple named sources while also having a reduced name.<br />
--[[User:PerkinsC|Cameron]] 17:23, 8 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I use "A", then use the description to list to rest of the information. Check out [[:File:Atlas_II.jpg]] for an example. --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 00:24, 9 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
::the first 10 or 15 I uploaded used *C (search for TR3026), I would appreciate renaming (since both renaming and uploading again w/deletion of old would require Admin Intervention)... then i came to my senses... Question still remains for Duplicates w/Newer sources, such as weapons that had artwork published in each of [[MechWarrior,_First_Edition|MechWarrior: First Edition]], [[Technical Readout: 3026]], [[MechWarrior,_Second_Edition|MechWarrior: Second Edition]], [[MechWarrior Companion]], [[MechWarrior,_Third Edition|MechWarrior: Third Edition]] or [[Classic BattleTech RPG]], [[LosTech: The MechWarrior Equipment Guide]], and [[Classic BattleTech Companion]]. One thing that I am thinking of is weapon pages w/images of each iteration similar to what I saw on a page for a BattleMech. would it be <br />
*A: Dart_Gun.jpg, Dart_Gun(1).jpg, Dart_Gun(2).jpg<br />
*B: Dart_Gun.jpg, Dart_Gun-LT.jpg, Dart_Gun-TR3026.jpg, Dart_Gun-3e.jpg, etc with the most up to date being the main undifferenced file as well as having a file name diferenced for the source.--[[User:PerkinsC|Cameron]] 17:49, 9 September 2009 (UTC) <br />
:::To be honest, I rarely give it any thought. I generally leave it the way it was originally named, if it came from another online source or name it appropriately if I scanned it myself. If it conflicts with another already named pic, the page will tell you before uploading.<br />
:::The problem with a naming convention is that it adds another level of complexity to adminship, as it cannot be as easily solved as page names. Plus, I don't know of any Editors that will be policing for that. I agree, it would be very nice to have source included -in fact, I think it should be required- but it doesn't have to be in the name, as it can easily be found in the pic summary. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 18:15, 9 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Question is more about Preference than Requirement. If the parenthetical number style is preferred then I could do that. Main thing is that I plan to raid all my books for images of RPG weapons and plan to name the files to fit the "Best Practices" here as I do so for easy uploading. I know of many weapons that are in at least 3 different Sources. Went A ...little... Overboard with having the page number in the file name, but other than that what best fits?--[[User:PerkinsC|Cameron]] 18:25, 9 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::I'd say whatever scheme works best for you. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 19:51, 9 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::Thaaaanks... As my fiancee would say if asked, I positively suck at making decisions :)--[[User:PerkinsC|Cameron]] 21:43, 9 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::::No problem. You actually pay me to make decisions (and I pay you back here by doing it for free). {{Emoticon| :) }} Personal note: I still have your SL 'book' (following two tours since you loaned it to me). Once I unpack it (again), I'll have a (free) offer for you to put it back in book form. More later. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 21:57, 9 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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===Category Page Cludge?===<br />
To the coders of the bunch: some categories (such as the [[:Category:Characters|Characters]] one) don't display all of the sub-categories, due to some setting that limits the number per page. Can we force it to show all sub-categories on the mother cat's main page?--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 19:07, 25 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Unfortunately not. This is a problem with the wiki itself and would require rewriting some of the essential code. Very large wikis like [http://starwars.wikia.com starwars] solve the problem by not placing all individuals in the ''individual'' category but only in the related subdirectories. --<span style="font-family:Courier">[[User:Ebakunin|Ebakunin]]</span> <sup>([[User talk:Ebakunin|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Ebakunin|contribs]])</sup> 19:59, 25 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Hmmm, yeah, I see the point. So, in order to get people to see all available categories -so that they use the proper categories- we'd have to categorize everyone not yet in a sub-category. Okay...thanks for the tip, Ebakunin. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 21:53, 25 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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===Admin To-Do List===<br />
[[Talk:3053|Locis']] comments got me thinking about how we've been handling policy creation. I know that some policies that need to be written have fallen through the cracks. I would like to suggest that admins update the [[BattleTechWiki:ToDo |To Do List]] with policies that need creating when a discussion reaches consensus with a link back to the talk page in question. I know that policy writing is a pain, but it needs to be done. I'm probably the most guilty party here, but I think if we can get better organized, it will make the process easier. --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 17:58, 11 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Agreed. I'll start considering needed policies, look around WP for inspiration. Would like to stress, though, that policies are the purview of all Editors, not just Admins. This isn't aimed at Scaletail, at all: every visitor here gets a voice on BTW, and staying silent implies endorsement of the consensus. Readers that haven't edited are just as responsible for the direction of the wiki as the most industrious Editors and Admins. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 18:35, 11 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Okay, I've spent a lot of time reading various Wikipedia policies and found subject areas I think we should address. However, we've got a lot more narrow scope than WP and I'm fairly certain that these policies won't address all of our needs. All Editors (not just admins) are free to suggest ideas (and even to write policy). --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 14:16, 13 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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===Community 'Forum' Name===<br />
I think its time we had a page where quick questions & answers can be asked, that don't necessarily relate to editing or admin requests. Things like:<br />
*"What was the name of that one non-Mark that became Captain-General in the war against the Sarna Supremacy?" --[[UserDude]]<br />
*"Hey...working on the article for ''Masters and Minions.'' Anyone have the production code for it?" --[[KuritaFan]]<br />
*"So...anyone think LAMs as ground vehicles, like maybe support vehicles, would be cool? I have some killer ideas." --[[LadiesMan217]]<br />
The idea would really be to provide quick answers, not so much conversations (in spite of that subtle last one), which would be directed to the Sarna forums. We'd archive it every quarter or so. This would be something similar to the Research Desk on Wikipedia. The question is: what should it be called? Chatterweb is already taken...ideas?--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 02:46, 14 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Okay, due to lack of overall interest, and based on my forthcoming essay about the 'character' of the site (i.e., a portal for research at the University of Sarna), I'm going to call this 'forum' the Research Desk. Please find it on the top right of the [[Main Page]].--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 01:19, 20 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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===Banned Vandal attempting to get a new account?===<br />
I think you have a banned vandal attempting to get a new account. But this wiki has no where shown to send the information, and edits don't seem to be leaving any trace that they have been successful. http://www.fixya.com/support/t2634796-blocked_from_editing_www_sarna_net {{unsigned|72.183.119.36}}<br />
:Thanks. Responded to them at Fixya. --[[User:Xoid|Xoid]] 23:00, 19 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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===CCG Artist Randy Asplund===<br />
Just as a notice, in return for no objection to the use of his art on BTW, I said I'd provide a link back to Randy Asplund's website on the image pages and [[Randy Asplund]] article. I don't imagine any Editors will have an issue with this arrangement. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 05:27, 16 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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===Custom 'Mechs in Regular Categories?===<br />
Would like to get a feeling for consensus here: should fanon units be listed under categories (I had presumed) reserved for canon units. For example, [[Gatling]] is added to the BattleMechs | Medium BattleMechs | 45 ton BattleMechs | Free World's League BattleMechs categories. To be honest, I'd shy away from that and lump them under the catchall category of [[:Category:BattleMechsCustom]]. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 21:35, 10 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
:According to our [[Policy:Canon]], this wiki expressly tolerates custom/Fanon (fan-made non-canonical information) content under the premise that it is clearly marked as such. It think that, by extension, this requires Fanon articles be kept out of the categories.<br />
:Personally, I even feel strongly against but as you may know I am of the opinion that Fanon content is detrimental to the image of this wiki anyways. (I've been overruled on this issue and I can live with that. BTW still rocks.) [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 00:14, 11 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
::As do you, Frabby. Thanks for the guidance. I'll fix this one now and hopefully the established templates for custom units will help prevent this categorization overlap. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 00:23, 11 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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===InfoBox template broken?===<br />
The infoboxes for 'Mechs and fiction (books, BattelCorps fiction) seem to be broken but there was no recent edit to the templates - anybody know what happened? [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 10:52, 1 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Nic upgraded the MediaWiki software to 1.15. Good, quick catch, Frabby. Okay, let's all try and identify any other unanticipated (negative) changes that came as a result today and I'll pass those on to Nic. Hopefully, it'll just need some php tweaks and not a rollback. Report those found on this [[BattleTechWiki:Administrators/List|list]]. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 11:16, 1 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Looks like all infoboxes are broken; state units, weapons, customweapons, aerospace fighters, dropships, you name it. So it looks like the software update did something to the way templates work. [[User:Onisuzume|Onisuzume]] 11:53, 1 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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===Strick-9===<br />
I screwed up again. I don't get or understand how to edit/create here and I messed up the custom<br />
weapons list and can't remove what I did. So, I hope it can be fixed. I'm going to have my son show me how to use this system so, I don't mess it up AGAIN. Sorry for the mess. [[User:Sethnlori|Strick-9]] 13:35, 13 June 2009 (PDT)Strick-9[[User:Sethnlori|Strick-9]] 13:35, 13 June 2009 (PDT)<br />
:No problem. You edited a discussion page and almost anything goes on these.<br />
:I guess, you want to create that PPC-article, so my advice is:<br />
:# Open the same page again via "edit" and copy the source-code for your article (to get the code for the chart).<br />
:# Insert the name of your article in the search-box to the left and "go". (Not standard method, but easiest way.)<br />
:# A page will show up, saying that no article with this title exists, providing a red link to your "PPC something". Click on the link and an edit-page will open.<br />
:# Insert your text and "save page". Voilà: new article.<br />
:In general: Do some training in the "sandbox" (link on the left), before approaching a major task like new articles. --[[User:Detlef|Detlef]] 13:55, 13 June 2009 (PDT)<br />
::Thank you for the help. When I started playing BattleTech there were no computer games so, I'm a generation behind most of you. LOL. By the way does anyone know if a supercharger and TSM can be used together? If so, what is the rules on that. Thanks for the help and info. --[[User:Sethnlori|Strick-9]] 14:31, 13 June 2009 (PDT)<br />
:::Detlef wrote some really good guidance there. I was tempted to correct the article's place myself, but you really did most of the hard work already in writing the article and if you follow his steps, you'll learn the whole process. Call for help if you need it, tho, ok? --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 19:57, 13 June 2009 (PDT)<br />
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===Notable Pilots===<br />
Hi there, I've been going through some of the mech profiles. They look like most of them are done. I was wondering if it cool for me to add notable pilots that are both published in past TROs (original 3025 example) and from the novels. Would this be acceptable? I would be listing page, book, etc. where these characters profiles are listed. I am uncertain however, how far it be allowed. Example: Pilot of a Archer from TRO Notable Piltos. That can't be put in word for word, but apprievated version what is written. Example 2: Is duable to list pilot such as Conner Rhys-Monroe, a antagonist character whom is Rifleman RFL-8D in novel Sword of Sedition & Fortress Republic. Like notable pilots, be short listing for this character. Would this be allowable? Thank you. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 14:24, 3 March 2009 (PST)<br />
:You can add articles for the pilots. In fact, it would be great if you did that. And please do add as many references as you can, and as precisely as you can. I have done so myself for two characters that were notable pilots in TRO3025 and re-appeared in [[Starterbook: Sword and Dragon]]. Check out [[Terry Ford]] and [[Melinda Carlyle]] for examples. In fact, I suggest you use these articles as blueprints for your character articles on people mentioned as "notable pilots".<br />
:I would not, on the other hand, add them as notable pilots in the entries of the respective 'Mechs, in accordance with our [[:Policy:Notability]]. The reason is that they are not actually notable, but virtual nobodies in most cases. Very few of these "notable" pilots have ever made an appearance elsewhere in Canon, and if we listed everybody who ever piloted a given 'Mech type in a canon source then the lists would be very, very long.<br />
::If you read [[BattleTechWiki_talk:Project_BattleMechs#Famous_Pilots|the conversation]] members of the Project BattleMechs team had concerning the addition of the "Notable Pilots" section to the BattleMech articles, you will find that adding the pilots from the TROs was specifically cited as something we did not want to happen unless they were otherwise notable. I would like to stress that one precondition (not the only one) for including a pilot as "notable" on the 'Mech article is that they have their own article on BTW, per that same discussion. While Connor, specifically, is probably notable enough, he needs to have an article written about him that asserts that first. --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 16:51, 3 March 2009 (PST)<br />
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===Uploading Self-Generated Images===<br />
Hi, I suggested generating Unit TOEs for the Military Commands project, and others suggested I put up an example to demonstrate what I mean. I now have a PNG file, but no idea of how to upload. Can anyone walk me through the procedure, please?<br />
[[User:Alkemita|Alkemita]] 16:11, 25 February 2009 (PST)<br />
:As you have since uploaded and used the Waco Rangers TOE I take it this request is done? If not, please drop me a note. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 06:42, 27 February 2009 (PST)<br />
:::Yes, it's done - thanks. [[User:Alkemita|Alkemita]] 09:42, 27 February 2009 (PST)<br />
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===Weapons, Character Pages===<br />
I have two questions. First off, if a character in BattleTech is already in the [[List of BattleTech Characters|"BattleTech characters list"]], should redirect pages be made so people get pointed straight to that location? I was thinking you would just use the context indicator so it would go straight to that person, but I thought I'd ask because you may decide to give major characters (like Sun-Tzu Liao) their own articles.<br />
:I'd actually prefer we split up [[List of BattleTech Characters|"BattleTech characters list"]] and make pages for all of the characters in there. --[[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] 16:14, 7 January 2007 (CST)<br />
::Agreed. Most people are going to go for specific names, or type them in directly. Apart from being neater, and circumventing various technical limitations (both server- and client-side), it'll reduce the amount of bandwidth used on outbound traffic. --[[User:Xoid|Xoid]] 05:54, 27 January 2007 (CST)<br />
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Secondly, shouldn't the weapons articles have more information than just where the weapon is manufactured? Isn't just having only where its made kind of odd? I was wondering for two reasons: 1) starting to put summaries on '''ALL''' the weapons pages would make a huge difference, and I wasn't sure if doing that would be against the BTW beliefs on the layout of said weps-articles. 2) If someone who knew very little about BattleTech wanted to find out more, here would be a great start. However, if they try to understand how a PPC or Gauss Rifle works, they would ahve to look at 'Mechs articles to (hopefully) find out.<br />
:Yes, we do want to get more data for the weapons besides just their locations of manufacture. However, when I started this wiki I pre-generated lots of pages, including using all of the manufacturing data I had available. Since some of these weapons haven't been filled with the other stats and fluff yet, all that is in them is their manuf data. --[[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] 16:14, 7 January 2007 (CST)<br />
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Also, you guys should mention in one of the 'good-formatting' sections that people making new articles should see if they are spelling the linked weapons correctly. Many of the weapons listed on the Wanted Page are because a lot of people didn't use hyphens. Just saying. --[[User:~Malithion~|~Malithion~]] 13:54, 7 January 2007 (CST)<br />
:I also agree with this, however, creating redirects for simple spelling differences is easy as well. We'll never get everyone agreeing on a spelling for all items, and new people won't know about a policy like that either. It's easier, in the end, to do catch-all redirects so people get to the pages they want. --[[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] 16:14, 7 January 2007 (CST)<br />
:I believe that the names of the actual pages should be standardised, but there should still be redirects from common alterations (e.g., since [[SRM-6]] is the most prevalent 'version' so far, it would be the primary page and 'acceptable variations' would redirect to it). Ease-of-use, and a unified feel. --[[User:Xoid|Xoid]] 05:54, 27 January 2007 (CST)<br />
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Also, now that we have a [[heat sink]] article, should we just redirect to that from [[double heat sink]]? I can't think of many differences between them that warrant two articles but, hey, that's just me.<br />
Additionally, I noticed that there ''is'' a weapons template already set up (like the BattleMech box). I was wondering if any of you guys might have orginal BT data on the weps, or if its the same as the video-games. 'Cuz that's all the data I have. --[[User:~Malithion~|~Malithion~]] 18:34, 7 January 2007 (CST)<br />
:Canon data (from the board game) is what is being used. The video games tend to vary a lot (especially if you start reporting what their statistics ''actually are'', instead of ''what they say they are''). As far as I'm concerned, I believe specific pages (e.g., '[[Medium Laser]]', '[[Large Laser]]', etc.) should exist, with either relevant text be transcluded or linked to from beefy articles on the 'overall' aspect of a given technology (e.g., '[[lasers]]'). Same thing with heatsinks, etc., etc. Nic and Revanche may have other ideas though. --[[User:Xoid|Xoid]] 05:54, 27 January 2007 (CST)<br />
::No, I agree with you that the board game is the origination point for all data. Everything else can be referenced, but generally starting off from the article on the board game version of the item in question. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 23:15, 7 February 2007 (CST)<br />
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I was curious as to whether or not we would honor labnames on this wiki. It's just a minor edit, but I was looking through the Character pages and I noticed that [[Peri]] was under the "P" section. I recall the scientist caste of the Clans being a bit more daring about the use of surnames, and adopt what they call 'labnames', surnames taken from doctors throughout history. In '[[Freebirth]]', Twilight of the Clans Book Four, she has adopted the labname Watson. Just a simple question. Thanks for your time.<br />
[[User:Jacen Pryde|Jacen Pryde]] 20:10, 10 September 2008 (CDT)<br />
:Since they're not official, I would say "no," though it should be included in the article. --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 21:31, 10 September 2008 (CDT)<br />
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===MechFormations===<br />
I thought about making a category called "MechFormations" that lists all brigades, regiments & battalions.<br/><br />
And with that in place I wanted to replace the brigade descriptions from the main military article of every house with a list of links to all the brigade articles of that house & also move the descriptions that some already have to the corresponding brigade articles.<br/><br />
And there again I wanted to add all regiments of that brigade again only with a link so that an article can be made for every regiment.<br/><br />
Problem is:<br/><br />
# Can a user create a category?<br />
# How do I make a template for a brigade info box & regiment info box? Those looks more than complicate to me especially with the help page for creating brigade & regiment articles and with a doc page for that template.<br />
# Furthermore what should be listed in those infoboxes? For brigades I thought of: brigade symbol, name, formed, status & parent formation. And for regiments: regiment symbol, name, nickname, formed, status & parent formation. Anything else?<br />
[[User:BigDuke66|BigDuke66]] 11:36, 20 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I was actually thinking about this subject today, so let me give my thoughts. I was thinking of creating different categories for each faction, "AFFS Units", "AFFC Units", "DCMS Units", "Clan Jade Falcon Units", "MAF Units", and so on and so forth. I was considering breaking it down with different categories in the same way that [[:Category:BattleMechs by weight class|BattleMechs are broken down by tonnage]]. For instance, [[:Category:Regular Units]] could take you to [[:Category:CCAF Units]], which takes you to [[:Category:Victoria Commonality Ranger Units]]. Each category along the way would list all of the units therein (a la [[:Category:BattleMechs]], [[:Category:Heavy BattleMechs]], [[:Category:70 ton BattleMechs]]). I think it is still appropriate to leave the descriptions of the brigades that are present on the military organization articles there, but expand upon them in full articles (in the same way that ''[[Handbook: House Steiner]]'' gives some info on them, but ''[[Field Manual: Lyran Alliance]]'' gives them a more complete treatment).<br />
:#Yes, a user can create a category. It works the same way as an article.<br />
:#Use other infoboxes as a model (Perhaps [[Template:InfoBoxMercUnit]] would be a good one to base this off of) and use the "Show Preview" button often.<br />
:#All of your suggestions sound good, except that I'm not sure what you mean by "status". The only thing I can think of to add would be an optional line for "destruction". --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 18:22, 20 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
::Well "Status" should show what the state of the unit is, active, destroyed, disbanded, deserted etc..<br/><br />
::More Categories sound good but I don't see how much different it is to what we will see in the articles.<br/><br />
::Faction>Capellan Confederation>Capellan Confederation Armed Forces>Victoria Commonality Rangers>Kingston'S Rangers<br/><br />
::Category:Regular Units>Category:CCAF Units>Category:Victoria Commonality Ranger Units>Kingston's Rangers<br/><br />
::Of course those categories would be better then just on big with all formations. I just counted the regiments of the 20 Year Update and came out with 577 and that ist without Brigades and without the Clans. We could do it like the BattleMech category, one big with all of them und some sub categories that are more specific starting with what you have suggested "Category Regular Units". And maybe "Mercenary Units"? What else? --[[User:BigDuke66|BigDuke66]] 10:11, 21 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::Actually, the reason I suggested "Regular Units" was because "Units" sounds like it could encompass BattleMechs, vehicles, etc. as they are "units". "Military units" is too broad (although it sounds better to me now), while "House units" is too narrow. I suppose we could integrate Mercenary units to a broader category that includes House, Periphery, and Clan units; but I think that's too much sub-categorization.<br />
:::On another note, when we create sections for the brigades, in addition to having a link to the main article for the brigade, we can have a link to the appropriate category that lists all units within that brigade.<br />
:::I like the idea for "status" now that I understand it... instead of having a separate section for date or destruction, we could just put the appropriate date next the status. By George, I think we might have it! --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 19:30, 21 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::Yes "Military units" sounds good but your right it also sounds to broad, I would expect to see units like Death Commandos or maybe dropship/jumpship fleets under such category too. Maybe "Ground Units"... na, or "Army Units"... na, maybe... look at the main page with the point "Unit Categories" and all the sub-points, what about making in similar.<br />
::::*"Formation Categories"<br />
::::**[[House Formations]]<br />
::::**[[Periphery Formations]]<br />
::::**[[Clan Formations]](Unsure as they don't show a brigade system with related regiments, instead the use similar clusters in different Galaxys, so clan formations would need some extra attention)<br />
::::**[[Mercenary Formations]](That could just be the renamed "Mercenary Units" category)<br />
::::**[[Pirate Formations]](Similar to the "Mercenary Formations")<br />
::::The "House Formation" category shows subcategories like "AFFS Formations", "CAAF Formations" etc., those can show the related brigade/milita/academy articles and subcategories like subcategory "Davion Brigade of Guards", subcategory "Draconis March Militia" and subcategory "Academy & Training Formations" etc., and each of those subcategories could show their related regiments & battalions articles like "Davion Heavy Guards", "Addicks DMM" and "1st NAIS Cadet Cadre" etc..<br />
::::I think I wasn't clear enough about the brigade & regiment articles. What I want to do is to add links in the main military article to brigade/milita etc. articles. Then in these articles there should be some major points covered besides the data in the infobox. I thought about "History", "Officers", "Tactics" and "Composition" and under “Composition” I wanted to list & link all regiments/battalions that are or were part of that brigade/milita etc.. So all together you can go down the ladder till you are down to a regiment article.<br />
::::Now that I read my post again I wonder if we need those categories at all. Their structure is very similar to what the military & brigade level articles will host. So do we really need them?--[[User:BigDuke66|BigDuke66]] 10:06, 22 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::::Sure. Things need to be categorized, so we might as well put them in categories that make sense without being unwieldy. With the categories, we don't need to put a dozen links in brigade articles. We need only throw in a link to the category. Of course, that means its another click away, but I think its useful to avoid clutter in the articles themselves. --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 18:24, 28 July 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::::I see that we now have also a link to the State Units on the main page or was it already there? Seems new to me. Anyway how about another for clan units? I think they are in many aspects far away from states and even further from mercenarys to justify that. BTW where do we put the units from the Bandit Kingdoms & Pirates, ComStar & WoB and Deep Periphery & the not-named-clan?--[[User:BigDuke66|BigDuke66]] 18:52, 22 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::::::You're right: it is relatively new. I put it there, since I felt there was a dearth of unit articles and wanted to jumpstart interest in it. However, I hadn't followed thru by reading this thread. I like your idea for a Clan units category (and will add it now). '''A''': And, I think you're also right about the need to represent the other 'factions.' I personally would consider units with Bandit Kingdoms as state ones (such as I do for the [[Brotherhood of Randis]], being a unit of the [[Fiefdom of Randis|Fiefdom]]. However, acknowledged stateless entities such as ComStar and WOB might need to be discussed. Both have held (or presently hold) planets, so I'd prefer to see them under state categories.''' B''': What about all of these being in more specific sub-categories? I cannot imagine all the Great House (plus assorted other lesser Houses) all having their units mixed up together in one broad category (Cat:State Units). It seems to me, that Cat:Marik Units should be a sub-category of Cat:State Units. Discussion? --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 00:04, 23 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::::::Sub-categories? Absolutely YES! I was about to ask the same today. A Sub-category for every state in the Category:State Units would help to keep the overview and articles of the brigades(Lyran Guards, Davion Guards, etc.) could link to them directly so you can get a clue of what units are in a specific brigade. --[[User:BigDuke66|BigDuke66]] 10:17, 23 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::::::::Ooh, good idea. Cascading categories. I'm not very knowledgeable regarding the various levels of organization, but anyone can create categories, so please...feel free to start those examples. Any ideas, however, for the Main Page namimg scheme above? We have State, Clan & Merc. I don't necessaily want to create Pirates, since there are so few articles that would be built for those, so a category that would incorporate pirates and others would be best. Cat:Misc, maybe? --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 10:37, 23 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
::::::::::Cat:Misc sounds good. Regarding ComStat & WoB I think they would fit here better than in the state category. When I think of state factions I only think of the 5 houses and minor states like Rasalhague, St. Ives, Andurien, Magistracy of Canopus, Outworlds Alliance and Taurian Concordat maybe also the Bandit kingdoms and the smaller Periphery states too but not Comstar & WoB, especially ComStar is present everywhere and much more an Organization then a state. So I think they would fit here best, maybe Chaos March & Arc-Royal Defense Cordon too?--[[User:BigDuke66|BigDuke66]] 11:11, 24 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::::::::::New Main Page cat created and added. BigDuke, I think you're probably a bit more qualified than myself for defining what goes where in this case. If you start the standard now with units in each category, then it'll be that much stronger for it. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 13:52, 24 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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===Years===<br />
I have decided I have no real purpose in life, and give the years a consistent format. What tag do I use if I am unsure if the data included is accurate?<br />
[[2016]] is my basic template idea {{unsigned|Moosegod|20:31, 19 August 2008}}<br />
:"<nowiki>{{Verify}}</nowiki>" would be the one I would use. --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 19:06, 20 August 2008 (CDT)<br />
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===Clan Jade Falcon changes===<br />
Excuse me, I don't know if this is the right place to post this, but there seems to be no way to e-mail the admins of this site. I recently edited the Jade Falcon page, correcting some historical innacuracies and general anti-Jade Falcon bias which was present on the page, and I was messaged by the administrators that my posts were unhelpful and I was going to be charged with VANDALISM. I thought that this was a wiki in which everyone was free to contribute, not a "members-only" club in which outsiders are not tolerated. I am extremely upset by this discrimination, and will neither contribute nor endorse this discriminatory site.{{unsigned|66.18.240.88|13:40, 18 March 2008 }}<br />
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:The information that was added was extremely biased towards Clan Jade Falcon, that was why it was removed and you warned that the information you added '''might''' be considered vandalism. The current article can certainly be improved, but "Kerensky, in his hubris, decided that to have his name associated with the word "wolf" would be better for his image, and sided with the '''haughty and unworthy''' Clan Wolf [my emphasis]" is not the way to fix it. Moreover, some information was incorrect, such as the fact that more members of the Clan that Khan Crichell were involved in the downfall of ilKhan Ulric Kerensky (saKhan Chistu trapped him, for Pete's sake). "Clan Jade Falcon was the FIRST clan to allow freebirth to compete for a bloodname" is also completely untrue, as that person was actually Khan Phelan Kell of Clan Wolf.<br />
:The above reasons are why the information you added was deleted, not because of a desire to be exclusive. The warning was given because these edits violated BattleTechWiki policy, and informed you which policy it violated so you could read about it and understand why your edits were reverted. I still encourage you to read [[Policy:Neutral point of view]] so that you can better understand the reasons behind my decision. If, after that, it is still unclear, then please ask and I, or any other admin, will be happy to help you to the best of our ability. --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 17:44, 18 March 2008 (CDT)<br />
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===CCG Cards===<br />
I noticed that the mission cards from the CCG section have no text in the text box. The main text shows up fine when I go into edit mode, but not on the page itself. I was checking out the Death from Above card and saw it. Just thought I'd point it out. [[User:Haruspex|Haruspex]] 15:13, 8 February 2008 (CST)<br />
:Great catch! I fixed the template (it lacked the "Text" parameter), so all should be good now. --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 08:01, 9 February 2008 (CST)<br />
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===Recent Spam===<br />
What can we do about this recent spam? It appears that bots are pre-pending articles with special keywords they will later search for so they know they can edit that page. Which probably won't work because we don't allow anonymous users to post external URLs. What do other wiki's do about this? [[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] 22:18, 10 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:While it's not something I wanted to do, how about banning all IP edits? I don't know how other places handle this, but I don't think asking people to register to edit is too much. We will miss a few here a there, I would imagine, but if it stops this vandalism, I'm all for it. We could also look at it as a temporary measure until we come up with something better. [[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 10:51, 16 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
::Better idea. How about changing the already-in-place captcha parameters to include all non-registered editors? [[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 10:45, 18 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
::I'm opposed to this. Vandalism-by-bot will continue, with or without blocking anonymous edits. The only thing that blocking anonymous edits does is tend to cause problems; you get a flood of user accounts taking up space in the MySQL database -- making location of legitimate registered users more difficult (we are hoping we'll eventually get enough editors that [[Special:Listusers]] might eventually become a necessity, right?). Blocking anonymous edits also tends to scare off those who make once-off typo fixes. They may not contribute much, but sometimes they come back. I know that's how it was with me and Wikipedia. If I had to register an account just to fix a typo I'd never have bothered.<br />
::You'll also get the odd disgruntled user who'll make an account at BugMeNot to get around such mandatory registration, and you'll then be forced to fight a war against otherwise legitimate users. (Since there'll be no way to verify that HelpfulUser7 is always going to be the same person -- he may be a vandal one day and useful another.) Better to avoid that kettle of fish altogether, methinks. I don't particularly like your newer idea either. CAPTCHAs are seldom perfect and they are a burden on legitimate users. Considering that almost every legitimate user is registered though, it's a fine interim solution. --[[User:Xoid|Xoid]] 23:56, 22 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::I agree with you in that I don't particularly like either of my suggestions, either (for much the same reasons), but I also don't see anybody else suggesting anything. I have no doubt that if there was a good, simple solution it would have already been implemented. I had meant for the CAPTCHA suggestion to be temporary, as I (perhaps incorrectly) assumed that it was something that could be done fairly easily while a more permanent solution is sought. [[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 17:31, 23 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
::::There's an extension that allows for this. [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmEdit ConfirmEdit]. Permanent solutions are, in my opinion, impossible. The various botnets responsible for this stupidity consist of numerous infected PCs, many with dynamic IP addresses. If there is a spate of vandalism from a specific IP address or range, we'll block it. Apart from that? The most that can be done is to minimise harm and remain vigilant. The scumbags responsible for these botnets aren't going to close-up shop any time soon. --[[User:Xoid|Xoid]] 05:19, 24 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::::I guess it's just a little frustrating for those of us who are patrolling for it. So far, [[User:Kittle|Kittle]], [[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]], and I have been doing it almost constantly and at the cost of other real work. The temp-bans seem to be having some kind of impact as I only needed to edit about 5 articles this time instead of the normal 10-20. I have found that we are missing some of the vandalism, though, as I occasionally find an article that's been recently vandalized and it has some remnant of a previous attack. I don't know that there's much more that we can do, but it does make the whole experience less than satisfying. [[User:Bdevoe|Bdevoe]] 15:48, 25 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
::::::It definitely sucks, I agree. I'll try to remain on IM (check my [[User:Xoid|user page]] for communication avenues) so you can nudge me if you need an admin to ban someone/thing. I'm seriously considering asking Nic to bestow someone with SysOp status purely so it's possible to provide better ban hammer coverage over the day. I know Scaletail the best and would recommend him, but I've been out of the loop for too long and it'd be unfair to other editors to simply assume Scaletail is the best suited to the job. --[[User:Xoid|Xoid]] 01:01, 26 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::::::With great power comes great responsibility. [[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 20:31, 27 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
::::::::Can articles be protected? Some articles on WP are frequent targets of vandalism (like when Stephen Colbert tells people to), so the page in question can be protected from edits by all but an admin (or whatever the WP equivalent is). Can we do the same here with some of the most frequent targets? [[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 19:14, 21 November 2007 (CST)<br />
:::::::::Unfortunately, the articles hit seem too random to be able to protect any. I've found another extension, [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CommentSpammer CommentSpammer] that seems to address our very problem. However, it requires MediaWiki v1.12, which isn't officially released yet (we're on 1.11). I'd rather wait until v1.12 is officially released, then I'll add this extension.<br />
:::::::::I also agree with Xoid that we could use another SysOp -- Scaletail, I think you're a great fit, as you've contributed a ton to this wiki. [[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] 16:08, 2 December 2007 (CST)<br />
:::::::::: After months of wasting time reverting these 'gibberish' edits from spammers/vandalizers (having personally reverted 300+ gibberish edits so far), I'm leaning towards enabling the CAPTCHA for all anonymous edits. I know this will cause legit anonymous users a small bit of hassle, but we're still not requiring them to register and it should stop all this vandalism. Any opposition? [[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] 01:19, 27 December 2007 (CST)<br />
:::::::::::Not from me. --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 07:06, 27 December 2007 (CST)<br />
::::::::::::Nor I. I would welcome it, honestly. It would actually allow us to get back to some real work. ;) [[User:Bdevoe|Bdevoe]] 08:15, 27 December 2007 (CST)<br />
:::::::::::: I have made the change. [[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] 10:02, 27 December 2007 (CST)<br />
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===Main Page Sidebar Problem===<br />
Is it just me or does the sidebar get pushed far down whenever the BTW icon or Home links are selected? --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 10:15, 9 December 2007 (CST)<br />
:Just you. --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 11:47, 9 December 2007 (CST)<br />
::Seriously? That sucks. I get it on IE at home and Netscape on my ship. I wonder what could be causing it. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 12:18, 9 December 2007 (CST)<br />
:::Gross, I see that too. I'll take a look. [[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] 12:28, 9 December 2007 (CST)<br />
::::There was a missing &lt;/div&gt; on the mainpage -- seems like fixing it fixed the problem. Let me know if not. [[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] 13:07, 9 December 2007 (CST)<br />
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===Uploading Program files===<br />
How can I upload program files for others to download? I've tried the "upload File" link, but is this only for images? Please Help :o)<br />
[[User:Clemmensen|Clemmensen]] 04:35, 20 August 2007 (CDT)<br />
: The [[Special:Upload | Upload File]] link is only for images. For other files, please email me (nic [at] nicj [dot] net) with what you want to share and I can upload it to the [http://www.sarna.net/files file archive]. [[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] 16:08, 2 December 2007 (CST)<br />
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=== Drive-by deletes? ===<br />
There's been 4 articles in the last day that have had 2/3 of their article deleted by random IPs. Is this a form of vandalism? [[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] 12:50, 12 April 2007 (CDT)<br />
:It certainly sounds like it could be. What were the pages? [[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 18:26, 13 April 2007 (CDT)<br />
::This has obviously been happening a lot - I've reverted probably 20 pages in the past couple of weeks with this problem. It seems odd as it's not an adbot and there doesn't seem to be any real rationale beyond just being annoying. [[User:Bdevoe|Bdevoe]]<br />
:::I haven't seen this recently -- very strange. [[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] 16:08, 2 December 2007 (CST)<br />
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===Plageurism===<br />
On the [[Thanatos]] and [[Lao Hu]] entries I had to delete the text from the articles due to the fact they were directly plageurized from another source by their original author. [[User:CJKeys|CJKeys]] 13:28, 17 May 2007 (CDT)<br />
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===Category:People===<br />
I started added the characters to [[:Category:People]] because it is on the main page when I realized that there is also a [[:Category:PeopleFictional]]. Since I'm sure nobody wants two identical categories, which one should we use? My vote goes to People because it's shorter and easier to find. [[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 14:58, 25 March 2007 (CDT)<br />
:: I vote for People as well. [[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] 11:40, 26 March 2007 (CDT)<br />
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===Wikilinks as non-case & Mercenaries category===<br />
Two things. First, is it possible to make wikilinks non-case sensitive, or do we have to set up redirects? So many things in BattleTech have an extra capitalized letter in the middle, it's often hard to get it right. Second, would it be possible to create a "merecenaries" category? That way all those merc units can have their own category, since they're really not factions all on their own. [[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 22:28, 26 December 2006 (CST)<br />
:Ugh...I know what you mean (regarding all of those midword capitalizations). I'm gonna leave the response for this one to [[user:Xoid|Xoid]].<br />
:As for a Mercenaries category, I think that's a great idea. Specifically, however, are you referring to the [[Main Page]], under the Factions bullet? --[[User:Revanche|Revanche (admin)]] 10:10, 30 December 2006 (CST)<br />
::From what I've read? There's no practical way for MediaWiki to implement it without causing severe interoperability problems with foreign language versions, more processing, etc., etc., you can find specifics at [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Case_sensitivity meta's page on case sensitivity].<br />
::I will say this though: I prefer it this way. By making sure that [[SRM-6]], [[SRM 6]] and [[srm 6]] are all different? It allows me to hunt down style inconsistencies in articles and clean them up, making for a more unified feel to the BattleTech Wiki. --[[User:Xoid|Xoid]] 05:39, 27 January 2007 (CST)<br />
:::Sorry about the delayed response. I had forgotten I put this here.... I requested a category before I opened up the section on the main page, but I would envision it as two different things, though I'm not sure if the redundancy is necessary. While I'm here, can I make a request for a "people" category. Since it is on the left-hand toolbar, it would make sense to have a category for it. [[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 12:07, 26 February 2007 (CST)<br />
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===Spam===<br />
:I just recently had to fix the Board Game page from a spammer, IP is 202.212.58.10 in case you want to block or take whatever action you need to. --[[User:CJKeys|CJKeys]] 11:11, 6 November 2006 (CST)<br />
:: Thanks CJKeys. I think I'll try to implement a captcha system for new changes that include outside URLs like wikia.com does. [[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] 15:32, 6 November 2006 (CST)<br />
:::Had to fix it the [[Board Game]] page again, the IP for the spammer this time was 200.31.148.46. I dont know if you can block IPs but I thought I would let you know it happened again. Thanks. --[[User:CJKeys|CJKeys]] 00:24, 8 November 2006 (CST)<br />
::::Also, thanks, CJ. I blocked both IPs for 3 months. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche (admin)]] 01:10, 8 November 2006 (CST)<br />
:::::This looks like a minor annoying problem right now, but I could see it getting worse. Should I spend time investigating captcha for external links in edits? [[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] 21:42, 21 November 2006 (CST)<br />
::::::I had to look the term up, since its the second time you've suggested this. How would you envision it working? Would everytime someone made an edit, they'd have to translate the image? Or, would we limit wiki editing only to registered users, who had to pass this test to register? The latter would be preferable to me. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche (admin)]] 00:17, 22 November 2006 (CST)<br />
:::::::Well I still want to allow anonymous edits. The captcha prompt would only occur if 1) The user was not logged in (not registered) AND 2) they posted an edit with an external link. This would avoid 90% of the 'referral spam' that spambots want. It wouldn't block vandalism, but we're only trying to curb spam-bots with captcha.<br />
::::::::I like it. It is not restrictive for 95% of any edits, as how many times will an unregistered user seek to post links? Is this something you think you can turn on? --[[User:Revanche|Revanche (admin)]] 10:21, 22 November 2006 (CST)<br />
:::::::::There may even be a way to get around needing that. The nastiest stuff is usually the ''div style="display: none"'' and similar crap that adbots love to toss around. You can also try setting a spam blocking RegEx similar to the one Wikipedia uses. It's one of the settings that is heavily documented on either [http://meta.wikimedia.org Meta] or [http://www.mediawiki.org MediaWiki.org]. --[[User:Xoid|Xoid]] 11:49, 22 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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I've added a captcha system for BTW to combat SPAM. It will be triggered under the following conditions: [[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] 18:39, 14 February 2007 (CST)<br />
# New account creation ''or''<br />
# Editing an article under '''all''' the following circumstances:<br />
::The article contains a ''new'' link to an ''external'' website<br />
::The user is not logged in<br />
::The external link is ''not'' to wikipedia.org or mediawiki.org<br />
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I hope this will be agreeable and adequate. Logged in users will never see the captcha, nor will anonymous users see it unless they post an external link. [[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] 18:39, 14 February 2007 (CST)<br />
:Thank you! It was starting to get bad in the last few days. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 19:21, 14 February 2007 (CST)<br />
::Bad? This was nothing. When you are reverting five adbots, all of which are active at the same time, while you're on your own, and all of them use a myriad of proxies '''and''' sign up under new usernames… these bots haven't even started the long road to being annoying… they're not even hiding their garbage with non-displaying &lt;div&gt;s. --[[User:Xoid|Xoid]] 00:36, 17 February 2007 (CST)<br />
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I noticed that there's been a lot of spam bots making user accounts almost daily. The captcha system seems to be ineffective on its own. MediaWiki has a number of anti-spam features you could implement in addition to the captcha system [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Anti-spam_features Anti-spam Features]. Hopefully a combination of a few of those will make the number of spam bots making accounts more manageable. --[[User:Seth|Seth]] 19:42, 18 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Since it didn't ask me to fill out the captcha when I added this url to my last edit, I would suggest adding "$wgCaptchaTriggers['addurl'] = true;" to your localsettings.php file beneath the line to add reCaptcha;<br />
require_once( "$IP/extensions/ConfirmEdit/ReCaptcha.php");<br />
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===Copyright Infringement===<br />
Greetings. I have recently become involved in contributing to BattleTech through the Wikipedia end. I submitted one article over there, "[[Chaos March]]." I came over here, only to find that my article had been copied verbatim. By itself, this is fine, because I know Wikipedia articles are public-domain, however no credit was given on the part of the person who 'ported the article to MechWiki. I would appreciate it that, for all articles taken from Wikipedia, credit be given to the original author and/or a link be provided to the original article (as provided in Wikipedia's copyright, which can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Copyrights). Since the only article of mine in question I have found is "Chaos March," that is all I am concerned with, however, I am sure the other authors from Wikipedia would appreciate it if you gave them the same consideration. {{unsigned|4.234.144.246}}<br />
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:Great. Just. Great. ''*sigh*''. Alright; damage control. Nic: can you tell me exactly which pages were auto-generated? I'll run kdiff against a list of all articles with your list of generated articles so we know which ones to exclude from our inquisitorial purge. Revanche: a list of all articles you've imported would be appreciated.<br />
:Note that I could go through the 'Mechs and see if I can find any parts that are copied verbatim, though for obvious reasons that would be a PWOT (I know everything I've submitted is my own work, Daniel's 'articles' are next to non-existent and its rather obvious from CJ's fractured English that he wrote his articles himself (no offense intended CJ)). From there we've got two options here; nuke the lot and start over, or get cracking on providing appropriate licensing information. For obvious reasons I'd prefer the latter, but if you're antsy about getting sued go for the former. --[[User:Xoid|Xoid]] 13:13, 13 December 2006 (CST)<br />
::My apologies for not signing up and signing earlier. My bleary eyes couldn't find the "create an account," button, even though it's in the same place as Wikipedia's. Apologies are certainly accepted. Lord knows I've made mistakes in the past. I'm not going to sue, I was just upset at not being credited for my work. I think this project is a great idea that can contribute a lot to the BattleTech community. Moreover, I have trolled on sarna.net for around a decade, and I would do nothing that might harm it. I think I have somewhat of an idea of at least some pages that were 'ported over and, if you all don't mind, I'll assist in linking them back to Wikipedia. [[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 21:17, 13 December 2006 (CST)<br />
:::Sure, any assistance is appreciated. I wasn't worried about you per se, I'm worried about the 'we'll sue your pants off' type; we all know they exist and it's better to be safe than sorry. Once upon a time we ran into legal troubles at another wiki I work on. I do not want a repeat here. I hope that explains my somewhat panicked reaction. --[[User:Xoid|Xoid]] 00:01, 14 December 2006 (CST)<br />
::::I'm assuming your reffering to the name change of a group on UD?--[[User:The General|The General]]<sup>[[User_talk:The_General|T]]</sup> 20:33, 14 December 2006 (CST)<br />
:::::Yup, that's the one. --[[User:Xoid|Xoid]] 02:04, 15 December 2006 (CST)<br />
:::Scaletail, any assistance you could give us in this matter, such as pointing out articles that may be infringing would be much appreciated. We are dedicated to making this wiki legit, as well as not upsetting others who have contributed to BattleTech :) [[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] 13:35, 14 December 2006 (CST)<br />
:: I apologize, 4.234.144.246. I had not realized that article was copied verbatim.<br />
:: ''Most'' of the 3,000 pages here are autogenerated (Planets, etc). We can use DynamicPageList (DPL) to get articles not in categories we've autogenerated and or created (mech articles).. try [[BattleTechWiki:SuspectPages]]. We can use that page list to review articles to see if they've been copied. We should also setup a template to link back to Wikipedia for articles that have been copied to give credit. [[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] 16:46, 13 December 2006 (CST)<br />
:::Okay, guys: things are well-in-hand already, as long as we have wikicitizens helping the whole community with the procedures already in place. First of all, efforts have already been initiated to deal with this via the <nowiki>{{wikipedia}}</nowiki> tag. As 'ported articles are rediscovered, they can be linked back there. Back then, when I did much of the importing, I didn't have actual admin priviledges to do so, so it had to be exactly as it was seen, a cut & paste from wiki. The intent was clear: a different audience was being addressed. Where Wikipedia reaches out with encyclopedic info for the world that 'knows nothing' and wants to be educated on a subject, [[BTW]] is a source for fans/players of BattleTech who would not necissarily beturning to Wikipedia for source information. I 'needed' to do something quickly to show the relevance of BTW to people dropping by to check it out and I was also trying to keep the BattleTech wikiers from being fragmented between two BT-centric wikis (the other being the [http://battletech.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page MechWikia]).<br />
:::Since then, I have alternated between using the import function granted to admins and/or stating that the article was imported in the initial summary line. There was no intent to claim ownership of the articles written, and that's the purpose of the <nowiki>{{wikipedia}}</nowiki> tag. (Point-in-fact, similar work is supposed to be pointing back to the same article over here from Wikipedia, by contribs over there.) Now, I'm not going to go back thru my contribs and hit each one up, as I'm close enough to calling a wikibreak as it is. However, as is true with every other article here, each is a work in progress and no one person will ever be able to claim "that's my article" if the wiki is successful (i.e. many editors). The [[Help:Contents|Help]] page (and [[Help:Tags]] specifically) is very clear one how things are done here at BTW and all someone has to do is paste that tag on a page as it is re-discovered, and they'll be able to instantly see who the primary contributors of the article's history are over there.<br />
:::No offense was intended nor expected, as wikipedia works under the same 'no-ownership' policy. I understand that Scaletail does feel pride in writing a well-crafted article, and my intent was not to claim writing ability (where none exists, frankly). The article, however, has served an important article ''here'' by adding legitimacy and important information for the player base. I'd reccommend Scaletail make some minor alteration to the BTW version of the article (while its still young) with a summary note as coming from a primary Wikipedia contributor of the article. And also, feel pride that it has transcended from being an introductory peice for non-BTers, to a base article for a dedicated source of BT information.<br />
:::I, myself, am pretty much done with importing articles (or even editing the ones here) from Wikipedia, as there are so projects that I'd rather work on and the core material is completed. However, as Wikipedia has plenty of more material over there that really needs to be over here, importing by the cross-decking community is not a done-deal. If someone wants to address a policy page to this subject, please feel free. I do want to state to Nic, however, we don't need to be apologizing for the importing of articles from Wkipedia. Its open-source material and we already are trying to avoid the whole copyright dodge ball, as it is. We don't need to make it any harder for the few of us currently building this site. An apology for improper attribution to Wikipedia as the source is understandable and is being addressed with the cross-deck tag project. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche (admin)]] 11:50, 17 December 2006 (CST)<br />
:: Xoid, no offense taken. I was always a thespian, not a wordsmith and my grades in the fine arts (drama, chorus, etc.) vs English in high school would bear that out. As for my articles each of them are an original work. I will admit I have some articles that have sister articles on mechwikia but that is because I started there and when I came here I brought them with me. I woudl hope to hell I dont have to give myself credit for my own work just because it is in two places. --[[User:CJKeys|CJKeys]] 06:06, 15 December 2006 (CST)<br />
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===Fannon Purge Q===<br />
Is there any way I can keep my stories I'm writing ([[Shockers_CH1]], [[Shockers_CH2]]), or the story's Merc Group ([[Shockers]])?{{Unsigned|Shockeray}}<br />
:The best place for them would be over at the [http://battletechfanon.wikia.com/wiki/BattleTech_Fanon_Wiki BattleTech Fanon Wiki]. Alternatively you could also put them on your user pages. Really though, Sarna is not really meant to be a place for narrative fan-fiction. The BTW here at Sarna is a reference source for information about BattleTech as it is published. This is why all fan-fiction that has ended up here is being removed. -- [[User:LRichardson|LRichardson]] 04:21, 11 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
::[http://battletechfanon.wikia.com/wiki/BattleTech_Fanon_Wiki BattleTech Fanon Wiki] isn't set up like this wiki so I cant add links to mechs or planets. And another thing, do I have to move it or will they? --[[User:Shockeray|Shockeray]] 13:12, 12 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Two things: yes, they will move it for you. And, you ''can'' link back to articles here. Instead of creating wikilinks ('''<nowiki>[[ ]]</nowiki>'''), put just one set of brackets around them ('''<nowiki>[ ]</nowiki>'''), and no pipe ('''<nowiki>|</nowiki>''') between the url and the name of the article. For example, if you want to link to the [[Fafnir]], you'd add this: '''<nowiki>[http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Fafnir Fafnir]</nowiki>'''. It would look like this, when closed: [http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Fafnir Fafnir]. Hope that helps.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 13:40, 12 July 2011 (UTC) <br />
::::Thanks. Another thing, is it possible to make sub pages under my user page? if so I could put my stories on those... --[[User:Shockeray|Shockeray]] 15:33, 12 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::It's very easy to do, Shockeray. I've created a step-by-step guide at [[Help:User Sub-Page Creation]]. Give it a try and get ahold of me if something doesn't work right.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 15:52, 12 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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==Deletion of Manufacturer subsection==<br />
''Copy from Doneve's talk page''<br />
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Hello doneve, please explain your intention for the deletion of my work. I think many user find it usefull to know from were the single variants are coming from. Further its give the reader the possibility to use the links to go directly to the manfacturer related sites. Another opinion for me to show that many more production lines/sites exist as on Sarna.net shown. All entries have their corresponding reference and nothing important from the article was changed, only one subsection adde (and not my prefered tables). What have I do wrong?<br />
[[User:Neuling|Neuling]] 09:14, 27 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Hy Neuling, we don't need this section in 'Mech articles, we have the Manufacturing Center category, and when i take a look, you can find all models added to the various companies, oh and i think circa 98% of manufacturing lines (435 pages on sarna) are added to the wiki, only 2% are missed.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 10:55, 27 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Tnx for your responce. When you wrote we don't need that content in the mech articles. Is that the opinion of the overall majority of the users or only of a few? Because it is for myself difficult to jump from manufacture to another and to get an overall overview which modell is produced by which manufacturer. And let me some time I will show you that some production lines could be added. I need the time to sort them after manufacturer and modell. I think I can incorporate those infos by the individual variants to. It takes longer but the info is an enrichment to the sites. The original text will not harm only one or two sentence will be added. [[User:Neuling|Neuling]] 11:12, 27 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Can you provide me an example, that was very cool.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 13:14, 27 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::Take a look at the [[Lightning]] - aeropace their you can find an example how I can added the information without changing anything important. [[User:Neuling|Neuling]] 16:31, 27 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Hello Doneve, I removed the entry which contains Objectives FS material, please don't remove Planets with marker of the faction, because it is usefull to know where the vehicles are produced, in my opinion. Let's dicuss that issue with the others admins? What are your thoughts about it? [[User:Neuling|Neuling]] 20:55, 3 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
::I see you doesn't agree with the material. Your right that the informations is on the Quickcell page. One thought the puplishers include the production sites in the normal TRO to and in my opinion is a good idea. Again let us discuss that with the other admins. [[User:Neuling|Neuling]] 21:00, 3 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::I disagree, we don't need planet links in the infobox, hit the manufacturer link like [[Quickscell Company]] and you have the info that the Heavy APC was manufactured on Ares by the company, yeah talk to admins, i think they talk the same what i talk to you.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 21:00, 3 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::I'm patient about the outcome of such an discusion. Where can I start it or how is responsible for such task? You wrote that most produtions sites are available, I will search after them and will include the missing. At the end it wwill be interesting how many missing are add to the sites.[[User:Neuling|Neuling]] 21:04, 3 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::At first take a look to this [[Help:References]], as second go to the admins page and stard a discussion about your task, i don't agree with you but this is my personal view of thinks, i was very interesting what some admins talk to this and to you.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 21:10, 3 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::I think it's good to add relevant information to articles, even if that information is on a different article (except in certain circumstances). In this specific instance, I think adding the production location of specific variants of military vehicles is a good addition. I have had a couple of concerns about this that I have raised with Neuling in the past. First, be certain that the information is supported by canon information; sometimes it can be tempting to add something for the sake of completeness, but we have to be certain that the information is stated somewhere rather than creating our own conclusions (for example, there may be no information about where a specific variant is produced; it can be tempting to state that the variant is produced at the same place as the standard model, but this may not be the case). Second, I would prefer to see the information integrated into existing sections, as with the above example of the ''Lightning'', rather than creating an entirely new section for it. Did I miss anything? --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 00:22, 4 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::::Hy good catch, but i give you this example, we don't need it on some BattleMech, Combat Vehicles pages, we have the [[Heavy Tracked APC]] page, in the infobox we add the manufacturer, at this example [[Quickscell Company]] he is added on the vehicle page, you go to it and found the vehicle is produced on [[Ares (planet)|Ares]], you hit the Ares link then you come to the planet page and se Ares is a Capellan Confederation planet and was produced on it, i don't want merged content on the 'Mech, Combat Vehicle sites that don't follow the Project Template. Neuling have good ideas but the problem is, he don't follow any policy, project or ref. policies and follow the right formating, take a look on [[Wars of Reaving - Timeline]], iam really sadly to say this, i don't fix or correct any contributions that he provide in next or future time, iam to tired, i talke to often to the problem, he is as a long time contributor (circa 1-2 year) on sarna and don't follow anything, this is my opinion, please talk to me when iam wrong.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 01:16, 4 December 2011 (UTC) <br />
: Neuling - Respectfully, some of your changes might be more agreeable if they were "cleaner". Specifically, if there weren't so many typos. Both Doneve and I have had to cleanup the [[Lightning]]. Thanks. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 07:39, 5 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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===MechWarrior Online===<br />
Can an admin add a link for [[MechWarrior Online]] to the [[Mediawiki:Sidebar|sidebar]] under official game systems? Eventually, [[MechWarrior Tactical Commander]] should be added too, but that's just a stub of an article right now.--[[User:Seth|Seth]] 00:48, 9 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Done. Thanks. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 23:59, 8 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Oops, they were added, but to get them to work right, you have to add the link to the name. Gotta make them look like this:<br />
** MechWarrior Online|MechWarrior Online<br />
** MechWarrior Tactical Commander|MechWarrior Tactical Commander<br />
::: Can we have one for MechWarrior Tactics aswell please :-) --[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] 10:17, 12 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
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| image = [[File:5thregulanhussars.jpg|120px]]<br />
| nickname = Divided Loyalties<br />
| parent formation = [[Regulan Hussars]]<br />
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| year = 3059<br />
| unitname = 5th Regulan Hussars BattleMech Regiment<br />
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The '''Fifth Regulan Hussars''' spent most of the 31st century stationed on the [[Free Worlds League]]/[[Lyran Commonwealth]] border. As a result, the unit doesn't have the same regional loyalty to the [[Principality of Regulus]] common to Regulan Hussars units.<br />
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==History==<br />
===Formation===<br />
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===Anton's Revolt===<br />
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===4th Succession War===<br />
During [[Operation Dagger]] the unit was part of a taskforce that attacked [[Wyatt]]. The losses sustained by the [[25th Marik Militia]] rumored to be the result of information leaked to the Lyran Commonwealth by the Hussars. No evidence to support this theory was ever found.<ref name=FMFWL109/><br />
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===Andurien Secession===<br />
Raiding neighboring worlds of the [[Federated Commonwealth]] as a show of strength during the [[Andurien Secession]], the 5th's assault on [[Milton]] secured them large amount of supplies in [[3035]]. These raids also prevented the Federated Commonwealth from capitalizing on the confusion of the Secession Crisis.<br />
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===Operation Guerrero===<br />
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===Operation Bulldog===<br />
The Hussars did not participate in [[Operation Bulldog]].<br />
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===FedCom Civil War===<br />
During the [[FedCom Civil War]] the Fifth wanted to raid the [[Lyran Alliance]] to take advantage of the confusion. The [[LCCC]] denied them permission to do so, going so far as to remove their transport assets to prevent an unauthorized reconnaissance in force. The denial and removal of their [[JumpShip]]s eliminated the little loyalty to the [[Free Worlds League]] government the Fifth felt.<ref>''Field Manual: Updates'', p. 158, "5th Regulan Hussars"</ref><br />
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===Jihad===<br />
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==Officers==<br />
In [[3025]] the commanding officer is [[Colonel]] Linda Koloff.<ref name=HMp109>''House Marik (The Free Worlds League)'', p. 109, "FWL Deployment Table - 3025"</ref><br />
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As of [[3050]] to [[3059]] the commanding officer was Colonel Thomas Orrfelt.<ref name=FMFWL109>''Field Manual: Free Worlds League'', p. 109, "5th Regulan Hussars Unit Profile"</ref><ref name=20YUp57>''20 Year Update'', p. 57, "FWLM Deployment Table - 3050"</ref> He was still in command in [[3067]].<ref name=FMUp162>''Field Manual: Updates'', p. 162, "FWLM Deployment Table - 3067"</ref><br />
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As of [[3085]] the commanding officer is ''Colonel'' Imrie Swain.<ref name=FM3085p92>''Field Manual: 3085'', p. 92, "FWLM Deployment Table - 3085"</ref><br />
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==Tactics==<br />
The command uses combined arms to bring an opposing unit down. First the armor units bring the enemy to a hold then the flanks are cover each from 3 companies of medium mechs. The reserve is made up of heavy mech, which are waiting for the right moment, a sign of weakness in their enemy.<ref name=FMFWL109/><br />
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==Composition History==<br />
===3025===<br />
'''5th Regulan Hussars''' (Veteran/Questionable)<ref name=HMp109/><br />
* CO: Colonel Linda Koloff<br />
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===3050===<br />
'''5th Regulan Hussars''' (Veteran/Questionable)<ref name=20YUp57/><br />
* CO: Colonel Thomas Orrfelt<br />
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===3059-3067===<br />
'''5th Regulan Hussars''' (1 [[Regiment]]/Veteran/Questionable)<ref name=FMFWL109/><ref name=FMUp162/><br />
* CO/1st [[Battalion]]: Colonel Thomas Orrfeld<br />
:* XO: [[Force Commander]] Imrie Swain: 2nd Battalion: Force Commander Desmond Weir<br />
* 3rd Battalion: Force Commander Romesh Thakar<br />
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'''5th Regulan Hussar Aerospace''' (1 [[Wing (Military Unit)|Wing]]/Regular/Reliable)<ref name=FMFWL109/><ref name=FMUp162/><br />
* Wing Commander: [[Commodore]] Rachel Prior<br />
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'''11th [[Chertan]] Heavy Armored Regiment''' (1 Regiment/Regular/Reliable)<ref name=FMFWL109/><ref name=FMUp162/><br />
* Armor Commander: Force Commander Noel Joliceur<br />
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'''14th [[Zion]] Mobile Infantry''' (1 Regiment/Regular/Questionable)<ref name=FMFWL109/><ref name=FMUp162/><br />
* Troop Commander: [[Lt. Colonel]] Theda Lim<br />
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- The unit contains several SAFE operatives to hold the unit inline.<br />
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===3079===<br />
The unit suffered severe losses during the Jihad, reducing them to a battalion sized unit.<ref>''Field Report: FWLM'', p. 9</ref><br />
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===3085===<br />
'''5th Regulan Hussars''' (1 [[Battalion]]/Veteran/Fanatical)<br />
* CO: Colonel Imrie Swain<br />
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==Notes==<br />
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==References==<br />
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==Bibliography==<br />
*''[[20 Year Update]]''<br />
*''[[Field Manual: 3085]]''<br />
*''[[Field Manual: Free Worlds League]]''<br />
*''[[Field Manual: Updates]]''<br />
*''[[Field Report: FWLM]]''<br />
*''[[House Marik (The Free Worlds League)]]''<br />
*''[[Objective Raids]]''<br />
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[[Category:Free Worlds League Commands|Regulan Hussars, 5th]]<br />
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| image = [[File:Regulanhussars4th.png]]<br />
| nickname = Kukri<br />
| parent formation = [[Regulan Hussars]]<br />
| formed = <br />
| year = 3059<br />
| unitname = 4th Regulan Hussars BattleMech Regiment<br />
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==History==<br />
===Formation===<br />
Have maintained a feud with [[Stapelton's Grenadiers]] since [[3005]], triggered by the [[Capellan Confederation|Capellan]] unit's destruction of crops and food stores on [[Fuentes]], an action the Fourth saw as dishonorable.<ref name=FMFWL108>''Field Manual: Free Worlds League'', p. 108, "4th Regulan Hussars Unit Profile"</ref><br />
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===Anton's Revolt===<br />
The Fourth fought [[Wolf's Dragoons]] on [[Vanra]] during [[Anton Marik]]'s revolt.<ref name=FMFWL108/><br />
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===3050 - 3060===<br />
The Fourth Regulan Hussars returned to the [[Muscida]] system in the 3060's. There the established a new training camp and began preparing their own replacements.<ref>''Field Manual: Updates'', p. 158, "4th Regulan Hussars"</ref> The Mech regiment and aerospace wing were based on [[Avior]] in [[3067]] while their supporting infantry units were based on [[Tiber]].<ref name="fmu162">''Field Manual: Updates'', p. 162, "FWLM Deployment Table - 3067"</ref><br />
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===Jihad===<br />
In [[3077]] the Fourth Regulan Hussars landed on [[Diass]], which brought the [[Regulan Free States]] under the control of the [[Principality of Regulus]]. Backing up the [[1st Regulan Hussars]] and the [[2nd Regulan Hussars]], the Fourth Hussars launched a massive public relations effort to win over the Diassans. The most visible effort was from the Royal Ghurka infantry units that patrolled the cities. These troops went about unarmored and carrying only their ''kukri'' knives as armament. The trust that the Fourth's infantrymen placed in the good intentions of the Diassans went a long way to defusing the tension that had built up when the Fourth Regulan Hussars arrived.<ref>''Jihad Hot Spots: Terra'', p. 50, "Regulus Ascending"</ref><br />
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==Officers==<br />
As of [[3025]] the units commanding officer was [[Colonel]] Gary Carter.<ref name=HMp109>''House Marik (The Free Worlds League)'', p. 109, "Deployment Table"</ref><br />
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As of [[3050]] to [[3059]] the commanding officer was ''Colonel'' Falco Palmero.<ref name=FMFWL108/><ref name=20YUp57>''20 Year Update'', p. 57, "FWLM Deployment Table - 3050"</ref><ref name=ORp39>''Objective Raids'', p. 39, "FWLM Deployment Table - 3054"</ref> Colonel Palmero was still in command in [[3067]].<ref name="fmu162"/><br />
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As of [[3085]] the commanding officer is ''Colonel'' Edmund Jhala.<ref name=FM3085p92>''Field Manual: 3085'', p. 92, "FWLM Deployment Table - 3085"</ref><br />
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==Tactics==<br />
Specialize in raiding and quick-strike tactics.<ref name=FMFWL108/><br />
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==Composition History==<br />
===3025===<br />
'''4th Regulan Hussars''' (Veteran/Questionable)<ref name=HMp109/><br />
* CO: Colonel Gary Carter<br />
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===3050-3054===<br />
'''4th Regulan Hussars''' (Veteran/Questionable)<ref name=20YUp57/><ref name=ORp39/><br />
* CO: Colonel Falco Palmero<br />
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===3059-3067===<br />
'''4th Hussars''' (1 [[Regiment]]/Veteran/Questionable)<ref name=FMFWL108/><ref name="fmu162"/><br />
* CO/1st [[Battalion]]: Colonel Falco Palermo<br />
:* XO: [[Force Commander]] Tom Brunell<br />
* 2nd Battalion: Force Commander Gilbert Powell<br />
* 3rd Battalion: Force Commander Rie Earnest<br />
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'''4th Hussars Aerospace''' (2 [[Squadron]]s/Regular/Questionable)<ref name=FMFWL108/><ref name="fmu162"/><br />
* Wing Commander: [[Commodore]] Stanislav Leben<br />
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'''4th Hussar Infantry''' (2 Regiments/Regular/Questionable)<ref name=FMFWL108/><ref name="fmu162"/><br />
* Troop Commander: [[Lt. Colonel]] Suzuki Yoshida<br />
- 2 Mechanized Infantry Battalions and 1 Jump Infantry Battalion<br />
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===3085===<br />
'''4th Regulan Hussars''' (1 [[Battalion]]/Regular/Reliable)<ref name=FM3085p92/> <br />
* CO: Colonel Edmund Jhala<br />
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==Notes==<br />
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==References==<br />
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==Bibliography==<br />
*''[[20 Year Update]]''<br />
*''[[Field Manual: 3085]]''<br />
*''[[Field Manual: Free Worlds League]]''<br />
*''[[Field Manual: Updates]]''<br />
*''[[House Marik (The Free Worlds League)]]''<br />
*''[[Jihad Hot Spots: Terra]]''<br />
*''[[Objective Raids]]''<br />
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[[Category:Free Worlds League Commands|Regulan Hussars, 4th]]<br />
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| image = [[File:2ndregulanhussars.jpg|120px]]<br />
| nickname = The Penitents<br />
| parent formation = [[Regulan Hussars]]<br />
| formed = [[2478]]<br />
| year = 3077<br />
| unitname = 2nd Regulan Hussars BattleMech Regiment<br />
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==Unit Description==<br />
The 2nd Regulan Hussars is a regional [[Free Worlds League]] BattleMech Regiment, whom raised originally as defense force for the Principality of Regulus.<br />
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==History==<br />
===Formation===<br />
The unit was first formed in the 25th Century, where it served as early test bed unit for BattleMechs. Fighting under principality's House Selaj ruling family, the unit initial years with other two Regiments of early BattleMech design proved to be initially unreliable usage.<ref>''House Marik'', p. 103 - Early History of Hussars, ties with 2nd.</ref><br />
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===Early Succession Wars===<br />
====Anton’s Revolt====<br />
In May of [[3014]], the [[Anton Marik's Revolt]] broken out with [[Anton Marik]] Declaring himself [[Captain-General]] over his brother [[Janos Marik]]. The 2nd Regulan Hussars saw its sister units, [[4th Regulan Hussars|4th]] and [[5th Regulan Hussars]] declare loyalty to the rebel leader. While the 2nd Hussars and other Regulan Hussar regiments remained in place, taking on Principality's neutral stance in the conflict.<ref>''Historical: Brush Wars'', pp. 18,20 Opening Moves - 2nd Hussar's sister units choose back Anton Marik in his Rebellion. Principality of Regulus, had decided to maintain a neutral stance, keeping the 2nd Hussars and other units on side lines.</ref><br />
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Only in the last year of the conflict, would the 2nd Hussars be called into action. The Principality's government had finally been moved to call loyalty to Janos Marik as Captain-General.<ref>''Historical: Brush Wars'', pp. 23-24, 27 Other Actions and Collapse- Regulus government convinced call suppose for Janos.</ref><br />
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In March [[3015]], the 2nd Hussars were deployed with the [[1st Regulan Hussars|1st Hussars]] on [[McKenna]] where the unit were to face against rebel aligned 5th Hussars fled to. Their presence on planet, forced the rebellious sister unit to flee. However, month after the 5th treat, Most of the [[Wolf's Dragoons]] would arrive and force off the regiment with heavy damage. They would fall back to world [[Ling]] for rest of the conflict.<ref>''Historical: Brush Wars'', pp. 31, 39 - Unit actions during Anton's Revolt. Unit presence in April, indicate in description of McKenna action. Month later Wolf's Dragoons would kick them off planet.</ref><br />
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====Aftermath and the End of the Third Succession War====<br />
By the late [[Third Succession War]], the 3rd Hussars had weaken in strength. As of [[3025]], the unit was known for its Close-Quarter fighting style. The unit was used in mission that called for Planetary Assault. While under the command of Colonel Banford (since [[3015]]), the unit had poor recon assets, but winning record. However, its fighting style fatigued its assets. Colonel Banford redirected the unit's resources from its other Battalions, were redirected to support the unit's famed ''Green Monster Assault Battalion''. The Green Monster's commanding officer, Major Ingrid Sjornsson, bullies resources to keep Battalion in top readiness at cost of rest of the Regiment.<ref>''House Marik (The Free Worlds League), p. 104 - Unit fluff from the original house book.</ref> <br />
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===Fourth Succession War and Andurien Secession===<br />
The unit did not see action either the [[Fourth Succession War]] or during the [[Andurien Secession]], where it remained on Avior for entire life span of the rebellion.<ref>''Historical: Brush Wars'', pp. 86, 89 - 2nd Hussars set out the Andurien Succession.</ref><ref>''NAIS The Fourth Succession War Military Atlas Volume 2'', 2nd Regulan Hussars not listed active in war.</ref><br />
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===Intermediate Years of the Clan Invasion Era===<br />
Used its assault expertise along the [[Federated Commonwealth]] and [[Capellan Confederation|Capellan]] borders, attacking [[Masterson]] in [[3045]] and [[Chamdo]] in [[3048]].<ref name=FMFWL107>''Field Manual: Free Worlds League'', p. 107, "2nd Regulan Hussars Unit Profile"</ref><br />
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===Gibson Crisis===<br />
Became the instigator of the [[Gibson]] crisis in [[3054]] when the then commanding officer, Nathan Roush used elements of the unit in an attempt to discredit [[Captain-General]] [[Thomas Marik]]. He provided insurgents on Gibson with a nuclear weapon from Regulan stocks and covertly transferred the Second Hussar's second [[Battalion]] to Gibson.<ref name=FMFWL107/> The Word of Blake forces on the world fought the insurgents, and later the [[Knights of the Inner Sphere]] that came to investigate the rumors swirling around the planet. The Regulan-backed insurgents fought alongside the Knights against the Word of Blake and Regulan Hussars on the world. The Blakist forces surrendered to the Knights when the Second Regulan Hussar's commander launched his tactical nuclear device. The captured Regulan Hussar equipment was given to the Knights as spoils of war, and the battalion was disbanded.<br />
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===In Exile to the Periphery===<br />
By [[3059]] the 2nd Regulan Hussars would be stripped of its support and would be kept at partial regiment with only 2 Battalions worth BattleMechs. The Kirc Cameron-Jones would save the unit from completely struck from FWLM's combat roster. The unit would then be dispatch to Periphery in exile.<br />
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Captain-General Thomas Marik would hand assign the unit's new commanding officer, Colonel Oskar Hausen. The 2nd Hussars would divided, due to distrust their new commanding officer. Opposition would come from the unit's principle combat battalion, the 2nd Battalion nicknamed the Green Monster Assault Battalion. It was believed that Force Commander Marie Lowe would someday envoke's Regulan Hussar's tradition of right take command of the unit by combat.<ref>''Field Manual: Free Worlds League'', p. 107 - Unit History / Officers - unit's history after the battle with the Knights and intermediate years of rebuilding.</ref><br />
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The new unit was reassigned to [[Goth Khakar]], a system along the Periphery border. This tough world allowed the Second time to regroup and recover. After rebuilding to regimental strength, they served as escorts for diplomats heading to the [[Niops Association]] as well as pirate hunters.<ref>''Field Manual: Updates'', p. 158</ref><br />
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===Jihad===<br />
====Destruction====<br />
Sometime during the [[Jihad]], the 2nd Regulan Hussars deployed to [[Wallis]] to defend that planet from invaders. In May, [[3071]] the [[49th Shadow Division]] attacked the world and destroyed the 2nd Regulan Hussars completely.<ref>''Jihad Hot Spots: 3076'', p. 16</ref><br />
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====Reconstitution====<br />
By [[3077]], the 2nd Regulans had been rebuilt by Regulan Prince [[Titus Cameron-Jones]]. The reconstructed unit as part of Brigade wide reconstruction and rebuilding, had its iconic 2nd Battalion the ''Green Monster Assault Battalion'', reactivated for service. The Regiment's lances sometimes would receive same-design lances.<ref>''Masters and Minions: The StarCorps Dossiers'', p. 81 - Regulan Hussars - 2nd Hussars noted as being active again as of 3077.</ref><br />
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In [[3079]] the 2nd Regulans were based on [[Vosloorus]].<ref name=frfwl9>''Field Report: FWLM'', p. 9</ref><br />
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==Officers==<br />
As of [[3015]] the commanding officer was [[Colonel]] Sweeney "Beadle" Banford<ref>''House Marik (The Free Worlds League)'', pp. 104, 108 - Commanding Officer noted. 2nd Hussar's profile notes Banford being command of the unit for 10 years. (The book written in game year 3025).</ref><br />
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As of [[3050]] to [[3054]] the commanding officer was Colonel Janet Simmons.<ref>''20 Year Update'', p. 57, FWLM Deployment Table - 3050</ref><ref name=ORp39>''Objective Raids'', p. 39, "FWLM Deployment Table - 3054"</ref><br />
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As of [[3059]] the commanding officer was [[Colonel]] Oskar Hausen.<ref name=FMFWL107/> He was still in command in [[3067]].<ref name=FMUp162>''Field Manual: Updates'', p. 162, "FWLM Deployment Table - 3067"</ref><br />
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As of [[3085]] the commanding officer is ''Colonel'' Vinoth Singh.<ref name=FM3085p92>''Field Manual: 3085'', p. 92, "FWLM Deployment Table - 3085"</ref> <br />
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==Tactics==<br />
During 3025, the unit was utlized its heavy weight to up-close combat and planetary assaults.<ref>''House Marik (The Free Worlds League)'', p. 104 - Unit's specialization noted, and it older close-quarters abilities.</ref><br />
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In 3059, the unit remained specialized in assault operations and planetary invasions, the unit favor frontal assaults.<ref name=FMFWL107/><br />
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==Composition History==<br />
===3025===<br />
'''2nd Regulan Hussars''' (BattleMech [[Regiment]])<br />
*Note: Unit was considered a Heavy Regiment, with Regular skills and light Aerospace Fighter cover. The Regiment has three Battalions, which includes the Green Monster Assault Battalion which is top Readiness, while others are poor fighting condition. The unit had Questionable loyality rating in 3025, and was stationed on world of [[Avior]].<ref>''House Marik (The Free Worlds League)'' p. 81, 105 - Regiment's status as of 3025.</ref><br />
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===3050===<br />
'''2nd Regulan Hussars''' (BattleMech Regiment)<br />
*Note: The unit was rated Regular skilled, with a Questionable Loyality. It would still be still stationed on Avior as of [[3050]].<ref>''20 Year Update'', p. 57 Regulan Hussars - 2nd Hussar's status.</ref><br />
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===3059-3067===<br />
'''2nd Regulan Hussars''' (2 [[Battalion]]s/Regular/Questionable)<ref name=FMFWL107/><ref name=FMUp162/><br />
* CO/1st Battalion: [[Colonel]] Oskar Hausen<br />
:* XO: [[Force Commander]] John Shearer <br />
* 2nd Battalion: Force Commander Maire Lowe<br />
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'''2nd Hussars Aerospace''' (1 [[Squadron]]/Regular/Questionable)<ref name=FMFWL107/><ref name=FMUp162/><br />
* Wing Commander: Lt.Commander Emmanuelle Marks<br />
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===3079===<br />
In [[3079]] the Second was still rebuilding. They had only reached a quarter of their nominal battalion strength.<ref name=frfwl9/><br />
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===3085===<br />
'''2nd Regulan Hussars''' (2 Battalions/Regular/Reliable)<ref name=FM3085p92/><br />
* CO: Colonel Vinoth Singh<br />
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==Notes==<br />
The unit's famed Green Monster Assault Battalion first noted in the original House book and active in 3025. In Masters and Minions, the sourcebook notes the reactivation of the Green Monster Assault Battalion, but does not say when.<br />
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==Rules==<br />
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===Game Rules===<br />
The Field Manual: Free Worlds League gives the 2nd Regulan Hussars [[Force Specific Rules|Force Specific Abilities]] when special scenario rules are utilized. <br />
The unit receives the [[Force the Initiative]] ability and receives F Equipment Rating (3059).<br />
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When the unit deploys a force as big as Battalion or large, the Hussars would receive +2 to the player's inititive roll. However, it receives a penalty of -1 when it fields company or less of units.<ref>''Field Manual: Free Worlds League'', p. 133 - 2nd Hussars force specific abilities.</ref><br />
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==References==<br />
<references /><br />
==Bibliography==<br />
*''[[20 Year Update]]''<br />
*''[[Field Manual: 3085]]''<br />
*''[[Field Manual: Free Worlds League]]''<br />
*''[[Field Manual: Updates]]''<br />
*''[[Field Report: FWLM]]''<br />
*''[[Historical: Brush Wars]]''<br />
*''[[House Marik (The Free Worlds League)]]''<br />
*''[[Jihad Hot Spots: 3076]]''<br />
*''[[Masters and Minions: The StarCorps Dossiers]]''<br />
*''[[NAIS The Fourth Succession War Military Atlas Volume 2]]''<br />
*''[[Objective Raids]]''<br />
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[[Category:Free Worlds League Commands|Regulan Hussars, 2nd]]<br />
[[Category:Principality of Regulus Commands|Regulan Hussars, 2nd]]</div>Neufeldhttps://www.sarna.net/wiki/index.php?title=1st_Regulan_Hussars&diff=2584531st Regulan Hussars2012-06-28T07:13:50Z<p>Neufeld: Category added.</p>
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| nickname = The Steel Hussars<br />
| parent formation = [[Regulan Hussars]]<br />
| formed = [[2478]]<ref>''Rolling Thunder'', p. 4 - "Unit History of 1st Regular Hussars".</ref><br />
| year = 3139<br />
| unitname = 1st Regulan Hussars BattleMech Regiment<br />
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==Unit Descriptiion==<br />
The 1st Regulan Hussars was a [[Free Worlds League]] provincial [[BattleMech]] regiment that is first formed as part of the Principality of Regulus militia forces. The unit in its time was considered to colorful and the best of the Regulan armed forces had to offer.<br />
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==History==<br />
===Early History===<br />
The unit was first organized in [[2478]], at the dawn modern BattleMech came enter the fields. The Principality of Regulus was one of the wealthy and highly independent of Free Worlds League's provinces. The regiment was assign at its initial formation with [[Archer|Archers]] and [[Wasp|Wasps]] which were produced at then league held world of [[Cameron]]. <br />
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The unit first saw action on [[Lopez]] in [[2485]] where it faced Heavy Tank Regiment from [[House Liao]]. This first battle also marked the unit's first defeat. The unit's inexperience and lack of training became apparent. This was due in part of their early 'Mech designs had technical maintenance issues that kept regiment going to training fields. Initially use of BattleMechs was criticized by military establishment. However, the unit manage to over come its early shortcomings and out live Principality ruling family, [[House Selaj]].<ref>''Rolling Thunder'', p. 4 - "1st Regulan Hussars early history" - Formation.</ref><br />
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===The Early Andurien Wars & Reunification War===<br />
The Hussars saw significant action during the Second Andurien War that raged from [[2528]] to [[2531]]. The Hussars were known for being able to out-maneuver and defeat opponents they faced during the conflict. [[Captain-General]] [[Albert Marik]] had to spread out his troops to cover large battlefronts. These troop deployments were stretch thin, during the conflict. Despite three to one odds against them, the 1st Regulan Hussars were able defeat their Liao opponents. The unit fought again with elderly Captain-General in the Third Andurien War in [[2551]], which was stopped short by [[Ian Cameron]] brokered second treaty between Liao and House Marik. Which swept them into deals with [[House Cameron]] to form the [[Star League]].<ref>''Rolling Thunder'', p. 4 - "1st Regulan Hussars early history" - Andurien Wars.</ref><br />
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However, Star League was not complete. The 1st Regulan Hussars were called duty again, along with its newly formed sister units [[2nd Regulan Hussars|2nd]] and [[3rd Regulan Hussars]]. They were deployed with Marik Armada to conquer [[Magistracy of Canopus]] for the Star League in [[2577]]. The 1st Regulans were noted for their exploits during the conflict. Their most of its notable actions of the war was the sacking of Canopus IV, periphery nation's capital. This brutal conflicted was success, but at price of 60 percent of its numbers were destroyed in the fighting.<ref>''Rolling Thunder'', p. 5 - "Star League" - 1st Regulan Hussars joins the newly formed sister units in taking of Magistracy of Canopus.</ref><br />
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===House Selaj Conflict===<br />
In [[2620]], the Principality of Regulus along with rest of the League was thrown into economic turmoil. Regulus's trade-practices came under scrutiny as it was being cause of the economic problems. Rift between the League government and Regulus grew, as economic & political problems grew worse with acts of terrorism become more common place through out the League. Then in [[2667]], terrorist explosion tour the ruling Marik's family home apart, nearly wiping out entirely accept for [[Gerald Marik]]. It was learned that the terrorist group, [[Scourge of Death]] was responsible for these acts and Principality’s ruling family behind them. <br />
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Gerald Marik and League government conducted a military tribunal which found all three members of House Selaj guilty and sentenced to death in absence. Finding out of his family's death sentenced, Prince Rajneesh Selaj placed the entire Principality’s armed forces on alert. <br />
Prince Selaj visited Regulan Hussars convincing them of his innocence shortly before the Captain-General forces invaded province in December [[2679]]. On [[Helios Minor]], Captain-General forces consisted of six Marik Militia Regiments. The 1st Hussars and its other member units fought to keep D'mir Selaj's home world from falling. However, the Hussar was driven back after month of fighting. Shortly after the Selaj family head fled to Magistracy of Canopus and Principality fell. <br />
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The Hussars were only purged of its ranks of disloyalty to the League, lucking out that Captain-General felt the unit was too valuable to disbanded. It won't be a year later until the unit was allowed to return to garrison principality again.<ref>''Rolling Thunder'', p. 5 - "Defenders of Selaj" - Regulans sent fight against Marik forces invading the Principality.</ref><br />
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===Civil War of 2729 & Regency Era of the Star League===<br />
In [[2729]], Hussars were caught up in Marik Civil War between Captain-General [[Elise Marik]] and her brother [[Oliver Marik|Oliver]]. The Hussars were loyal to the Captain-General and involved the heavy fight. The 1st Regulans were dispatched to [[Ariel]], where fought rebel forces in fierce desert conflict. The unit was devastated by the conflict, would not be until [[2734]] when unit would become operational again. The remaining Hussars unit were victorious over the rebels but were too devastated by the conflict.<br />
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Captain-General Elise rewarded Hussar's battalion and regimential commanders with Knighthood. The Hussars were granted 10,000 acres on [[Avior]], which became their new base of operations. The Principality’s new ruling families, Cameron-Jones, were close allies with Marik family and unit's loyalty to league grew strong.<br />
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After the death of the First Lord, General [[Aleksandr Kerensky]] was named regent of Star League. During this period he allowed House Lords to expand its private armies, which allow Hussar's ranks. The 1st Regulans did not see action in [[Amaris Coup]] that followed periphery rebellion of high taxes. <br />
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===Succession Wars===<br />
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The unit did not see action until [[2787]], when [[First Succession War]] broke out. The unit had raided [[House Steiner]] worlds of old Federation of Skye. In series of raids that lead to assault of [[Summer]]. There the unit inflicted heavy damage to those worlds manufacturing complexes, including [[JumpShip]] component factory. At same time, [[Captain-General]] [[Kenyon Marik]] ordered invasion of the Capellan Confederation.<br />
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In [[2806]] the 1st Regulans with the [[5th Regulan Hussars|5th Regulans]] were transferred to Capellan Frontier where they assigned to [[Oriente]]. The Liao forces had attempted twice in past to invade the province capital world. During the third invasion of Oriente, 1st Regulans were credit in destruction of one Confederation elite units, [[41st Capellan Heavy Assault Battalion]].<br />
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After serving time on the Capellan Frontier, the 1s Regulans, still teamed with the 5th were transferred to the Lyran front of the war. There they were assigned to invade Lyran world of [[Bella I|Bella]]. The units used clever strategic trickery to fool the [[12th Lyran Regulars|12th]] and [[14th Lyran Regulars]] that they facing large invasion force and drove them off the planet. By the time ruse was seen through, Hussars had received reinforcements to secure the planet. The unit remained on Bella until political problems back in the Principality compelled the unit commanders to evoke their right as province military return help remedy the problem. The problems at home caused the 1st Regulans sat out the remainder of the 1st Succession War.<ref>''Rolling Thunder'', p. 5 - "First Succession War history of the Hussars".</ref><br />
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===Later Succession Wars===<br />
At start of the [[Third Succession War]] in [[2866]], the First Regulans participated with other Hussars in series of devastating assaults into Lyran Commonwealth. The entire Regulan Hussar Brigade struck the old Federation Skye worlds of [[Arcadia]], [[Clinton]], [[Lamon]], [[Mariefred]], and [[New Kyoto]].<br />
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Later the unit enjoyed return to the Liao frontier, where they participated in raids into Liao space to exercise their long-time vendetta with the Liaos. The unit's compliment of heavy 'Mechs were put to good use during this time, but unit begun to loss too many 'Mechs during their vendetta. The unit was returned to Principality for rest and recovery.<br />
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The unit then participated in a sweep of Liao's [[Sarna Commonality]]. There it and other Regulan units raids worlds such as [[Berenson]], [[Kyrkbacken]], and [[Zion]]. During the campaign, 1st Regulans's urge for revenge against Liaos grew stronger. This was caused when the [[3rd Regulan Hussars]], were ambushed by Northwind Highlanders on [[Nanking]] and were destroyed.<br />
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The 1st Regulans invaded world of [[Wing]] in [[2924]]. The unit encountered [[Eridani Light Horse|Eridani Light Horse's]] [[50th Heavy Cavalry]] and engaged in a tough two-week campaign. The Eridanis gave Regulans good fight, but 1st Regulans managed push 50th to withdraw from the planet.<br />
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Ties with Marik family became strained after then ,Captain-General [[Stephen Marik]], left its sister unit the [[6th Regulan Hussars]] to wither and die fighting on [[Loric]]. The two year campaign which ended unit sister unit destruction in [[2973]], 250 year bond it had with Marik family.<br />
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In [[3006]] the 1st Regulans and its other sister units participated in the invasion of Lyran Commonwealth. The damaging campaign was aided by Lyran Archon [[Alessandro Steiner|Alessandro Steiner's]] concentrated weaken policy. The 1st Regulans was caused considerable damaged when it raided [[Ford]] and [[Cavanaugh II]]. However, ties had turn on Marik forces invading when Alessandro was ousted by [[Katrina Steiner]]. She organized counter-assault with several mercenary regiments which caused heavily damaged 1st Regulans and its other sister units. So badly mauled, after returning to Marik space the decimated [[8th Regulus Hussars]] were disbanded to rebuild 1st and the rest.<ref>''Rolling Thunder'', p.?? - "Third Succession War" - Highs and Lows of the fighting during early parts of the Third Succession War.</ref> <br />
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=====Marik Civil War of 3014=====<br />
The Regulans returned home and remained in the principality recuperating for several years.<br />
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In [[3014]], [[Anton Marik]] declared himself new Captain-General putting himself against sitting Captain-General and brother [[Janos Marik]]. The 1st Regulans along with the 2nd Regulans declared for Janos. However, the 4th and 5th Regulan Hussars declared for Anton, making them rebel enemies. The 1st Regulans were assaulted by the [[Wolf's Dragoons]], taking 40 percent damage before withdrawing. By February [[3015]], entire Free Worlds League might was put into campaign to demolish the rebels. The campaign pushed the rebels into cluster worlds center around [[Ling]]. During these last battles, 1st Regulans with its fellow loyalist sister unit, encounter the 5th Regulans on [[McKenna]]. Both units were bitter over betrayal of their now former comrades, mauled the 5th. The 5th Regulans managed to flee the planet after being reduced 40 percent of its fight strength. <br />
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After the Civil War ended, Captain-General Janos Marik rewarded the 1st & 2nd Regulans with bounty of cash and spare parts at the expense of the 4th and 5th Regulans. These gifts created large rift between former loyalist and rebel regiments.<ref>''Rolling Thunder'', pp. 5-6 - "Marik Civil War in 31st Century".</ref><br />
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===Andurien Secession===<br />
After Parliament passed the [[Military Reorganization Act]], many of the provincial forces of the [[Free Worlds League]] saw their traditions and unique identities subsumed by the FWLM's desire to standardize their units. Though this rankled the First Regulan Hussars, they didn't refuse any order handed down by the LCCC. Instead they adopted them slowly. So slowly in fact that one investigator described the rate of adoption as "glacial". Despite this, the First Regulan Hussars maintained their combat readiness during the transition.<ref name='er52-36'>''Era Report: 3052'', p. 36</ref><br />
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===Operation Bull Dog===<br />
The unit participated in [[Operation Bulldog]] in [[3059]] and liberated the world of [[Hyner]] from [[Clan Smoke Jaguar]] control under the banner of the [[SLDF]]. The unit managed to salvage a great deal of [[Clan]] technology and equipment. They subsequently traded much of the salvage to Free World League manufactures in exchange for equipment that would be more easily maintained. As of [[3067]], the unit was one of the best regiments in the [[FWLM]].<br />
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===Jihad===<br />
During the [[Jihad]], the 1st Regulan Hussars were utterly destroyed while defending capital of Regulus in June [[3072]]. Regulus City was assaulted by [[Word of Blake|Word of Blake's]] [[49th Shadow Division]] while carrying out an extraction of their commander from her mission.<ref>''Jihad Secrets: The Blake Documents'' p. 106 - 49th Shadow Division (Dantalion's Dirge) - 49th Shadow Division profile includes the destruction of 1st Regulan Hussars during their assault to extract their then commander, Naamah.</ref><br />
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By [[3077]] the unit was rebuilding, with Colonel Lord Ihsan Hunter as it commanding officer. The unit, along with the 2nd and 4th Regulans had received most replacement equipment of the twelve Regulan Hussar regiments. Among its rebuilt ranks, they were assigned lances of [[Star League era]] 3C ''[[Trebuchet|Trebuchets]]''. Regulan High Command General Thomas Orfelt also has order the reactivation of the 1st Regulan's iconic ''[[Rolling Thunder]]'' company, throwing a considerable amount of resources to rebuild it and the Regulans shattered public imagine.<ref>''Masters & Minions: The StarCorps Dossiers'' p. 81 - Regulan Hussars - 1st Regulan Hussars are rebuilt & its iconic Rolling Thunder company reactivate to improve moral for the units & the public.</ref><br />
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In September 3077 the newly reformed First Regulan Hussars landed on the contested world of [[Vosloorus]]. There they inflicted serious losses on the defending [[5th Marik Militia]]. They also allowed members of the Fifth who wanted to join regional militaries to do so.<ref>''Jihad Hot Spots: Terra'', p. 52</ref> <br />
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===Dark Age===<br />
====War for Atreus====<br />
As of June 30th, [[3138]], the 1st Hussars were stationed on Regulus. <ref>''To Ride the Chimera'', p. 196 - "Lester reviews the First, has its Colonel to be attend meeting to take possession world of Atreus".</ref> A month later, the Hussars were part of the force that took the former capital world of [[Atreus]] in the name of [[Regulan Fiefs]]. The unit was then spread out to protect vital industrial sites. <br />
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From April 21st to the 27th of [[3139]], forces participating in [[Operation Homecoming]] invaded Atreus. The 1st fought a bitter fight against them, and were ultimately defeated. It is unknown if the 1st Regulans survived the invasion.<br />
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==Officers==<br />
*As of [[3025]], commanding officer was [[Colonel]] Tomaso Kinchuhara<ref>''Rolling Thunder (scenario pack)'' p. 12 - 1st Regulan Hussars' commanding officer named in profile.</ref><ref>''House Marik (The Free Worlds League)'' p. 104 - 1st Regulan profile includes Commanding officer as of 3025.</ref><ref name=HMp109>''House Marik (The Free Worlds League)'', p. 108, "FWLM Deployment Table"</ref><br />
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*As of [[3050]] to [[3059]] the commanding officer was [[Colonel]] Mark Brandhauber<ref name=20YUp57>''20 Year Update'' p. 57 - Mark Brandhauber listed as CO of 1st Regulans as of 3050.</ref> he was a graduate of the [[Princefield Military Academy]].<ref name=FMFWLp106>''Field Manual: Free Worlds League'', p. 106, "1st Regular Hussars Unit Profile"</ref><br />
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*As of [[3075]] the commanding officer was [[Colonel]] [[Michelle Cameron-Jones|Michelle Ryan]]<br />
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*As of [[3077]] the commanding officer was [[Colonel]] Lord Ihsan Hunter<ref>''Masters & Minions: The StarCorps Dossiers'', p. 81 - Regulan Hussars - Colonel Hunter takes over for the murdered Michelle Ryan/Cameron-Jones.</ref><br />
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*As of [[3139]] the commanding officer was [[Colonel]] Petrovski.<br />
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==Tactics==<br />
The First Regulan Hussars have one of the most complete command organizations in the FWLM. Every trooper knows his part in the plan and how it affects his fellow soldiers. This allows the First Regulan to respond to battlefield changes very quickly.<ref name='er52-36'/><br />
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==Composition History==<br />
===3025===<br />
'''1st Regulan Hussars''' (Elite/Questionable)<ref name=HMp109/><br />
* CO: Colonel Tomaso Kinchuhara<br />
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===3050===<br />
'''1st Regulan Hussars''' (Elite/Questionable)<ref name=20YUp57/><br />
* CO: Colonel Mark Brandhauber<br />
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===3059 to 3067===<br />
'''1st Regulan Hussars''' (1 [[Regiment]]/Elite/Questionable)<ref name=FMFWLp106/><br />
* CO/1st [[Battalion]]: Colonel Mark Brandhauber<br />
:* XO: [[Force Commander]] Paul DeVries<br />
* 2nd Battalion: Force Commander Perry Wolfe<br />
* 3rd Battalion: Force Commander Rose Snow<br />
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'''1st Hussars Aerospace''' (1 [[Wing]] reinforced to 4 [[Squadron]]s/Elite/Questionable)<ref name=FMFWLp106/><br />
* Wing Commander: [[Commodore]] Martin Vekaria<br />
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'''3rd [[Keeling]] Armor Regiment''' (1 Regiment/Veteran/Questionable)<ref name=FMFWLp106/><br />
* Armor Commander: Force Commander Savheil Nasser<br />
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'''9th [[Atreus]] Light Infantry''' (1 Regiment/Regular/Reliable)<ref name=FMFWLp106/><br />
* Troop Commander: [[Lieutenant Colonel]] Audry Richards<br />
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==Notable Personnel and Formations==<br />
*''[[Rolling Thunder|Rolling Thunder Company]]'' - Independent BattleMech company first formed in Early [[31st Century]]. The company gained fame its audencity and fierceness in combat. Faded from use until late in the century where it was reactivated.<br />
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==Notes==<br />
[[File:1st Regulan Hussars.jpg|thumb|right|Full Color crest of 1st Regulan Hussars.]]<br />
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===Game Notes===<br />
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==References==<br />
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==Bibliography==<br />
*''[[Era Report: 3052]]''<br />
*''[[Field Manual: Free Worlds League]]''<br />
*''[[Field Manual: Updates]]''<br />
*''[[Jihad Secrets: The Blake Documents]]''<br />
*''[[Masters & Minions: The StarCorps Dossiers]]''<br />
*''[[Rolling Thunder (scenario pack)]]''<br />
*''[[To Ride the Chimera|MWDA Novel: To Ride the Chimera by Kevin Killiany]]'' <br />
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[[Category:Free Worlds League Commands|Regulan Hussars, 1st]]<br />
[[Category:Principality of Regulus Commands|Regulan Hussars, 1st]]</div>Neufeldhttps://www.sarna.net/wiki/index.php?title=1st_Avalon_Hussars&diff=2583331st Avalon Hussars2012-06-27T07:48:50Z<p>Neufeld: Added Era Report:2750 to update needed.</p>
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==History==<br />
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==Officers==<br />
As of [[3085]], the commanding officer was [[Leftenant General]] Angel Waters.<ref name="FM:3085p69">''Field Manual: 3085'', p. 69, "Kittery Prefecture (Kittery Command)"</ref><br />
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==Tactics==<br />
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==Composition History==<br />
===3085===<br />
'''1st Avalon Hussars LCT''' (Regular/Reliable)<ref name="FM:3085p69"/> <br />
* CO: Leftenant General Angel Waters<br />
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'''1st Avalon Hussars Aerospace [[Brigade]]''' (Green/Reliable)<ref name="FM:3085p69"/> <br />
* CO: [[Colonel]] Abraham Hellier<br />
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'''1st Avalon Hussars Armor Brigade''' (Regular/Reliable)<ref name="FM:3085p69"/> <br />
* CO: Leftenant General Jo Murray<br />
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'''1st Avalon Hussars Infantry Brigade''' (Green/Reliable)<ref name="FM:3085p69"/> <br />
* CO: Leftenant General Vladimir Babici<br />
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==Notes==<br />
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==References==<br />
<references /><br />
<br />
==Bibliography==<br />
* ''[[Field Manual: 3085]]''<br />
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[[Category:Federated Suns Commands|Avalon Hussars, 01st]]</div>Neufeldhttps://www.sarna.net/wiki/index.php?title=Marguerite_McCaffee&diff=258240Marguerite McCaffee2012-06-26T15:28:36Z<p>Neufeld: Update needed, JTP:New Avalon.</p>
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==Overview==<br />
'''Marguerite McCaffee''' (Born ???? - died ????) was an officer in the [[AFFS]]. In May [[3080]] McCaffee was a [[General]] in the AFFS and commander of the elite [[Davion Assault Guards]], having succeded [[Marshal]] [[Dixon Zibler]]. McCaffee led the Assault Guards during the campaign to capture [[Flintoft]] as a part of [[Operation MATADOR]], the [[Federated Suns]] counteroffensive launched in May 3080. The Assault Guards were accompanied by an [[FSNS]] journalist named [[Peter Remonde]] during the campaign; Remonde actually dropped into battle alongside the Assault Guards and the [[1st Syrtis Fusiliers]], riding in the jump seat of McCaffee's ''[[Atlas]]'' [[BattleMech]].<ref name="J:FRp27">''Jihad: Final Reckoning'', p. 27, "Bearding The Bull"</ref><br />
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McCaffee would continue to lead the Assault Guards until at least [[3085]].<ref name="FM3085p70">''Field Manual: 3085'', p. 70, "AFFS Deployment Table - 3085"</ref><br />
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==References==<br />
<references /><br />
<br />
==Bibliography==<br />
* ''[[Jihad: Final Reckoning]]''<br />
* ''[[Field Manual: 3085]]''<br />
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[[Category: House Davion Characters|McCaffee, Marguerite]]<br />
[[Category: Minor Characters|McCaffee, Marguerite]]</div>Neufeldhttps://www.sarna.net/wiki/index.php?title=House_Calderon&diff=258188House Calderon2012-06-25T23:48:33Z<p>Neufeld: /* Bibliography */ Added sources.</p>
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'''House Calderon''' was the dynastic ruling house of [[Taurus]], the Taurian Homeworlds, and the [[Taurian Concordat]]. From its founding in [[2335]] to [[3060]], the [[Protector of the Realm|Protectors of the Realm]] of the Taurian Concordat were all Calderons (with the exception of a single regent). Despite its continued reign, the Calderon line was fair, egalitarian, and pragmatic in their decisions.{{cn}}<br />
However, frontier existence and surviving the depredations of the [[Inner Sphere]] also made the Calderons overly xenophobic.<br />
<br />
==Quote==<br />
{{Quote|Morals are one thing. Survival is everything.<ref>More than any other major Periphery realm, House Calderon and the Taurians have had to compromise to survive.<br />
</ref>}}<br />
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-[[Samantha Calderon]], October, [[2252]], reported in ''Modern Explorers''<ref>''Field Manual: Periphery'', p. 47</ref><br />
<br />
==Origins==<br />
<br />
House Calderon are the decendants of [[Samantha Calderon]], the wealthy heiress-businesswoman turned pioneer. Samantha decided to leave the Inner Sphere as a result of the brutality inherent in the nascent [[Inner Sphere]], especially during (and in the wake of) the [[Outer Reaches Rebellion]].<br />
<br />
Samantha married a wealthy businessman who ran a Terraforming concern out of [[Vega]], and started a family on [[Aix-la-Chapelle]]. When Samantha's husband and two daughters were murdered by a [[Terran Alliance]] firing squad during the [[Outer Reaches Rebellion]] in [[2236]], Samantha suddenly found herself in possession of a sizable fortune. However, assets dwindled due to the efforts of [[Marik]] pirates. Rather than allow her wealth to erode, Samantha decided to seek the safety of the Periphery. Samantha's call for pioneers to form a settlement expedition was answered by thousands of disaffected Spheroids. With a fleet of 25 Jumpships, the Calderon expedition left Aix-la-Chapelle in [[2250]], traveling rimward around the Terran Alliance, then rimward.<br />
<br />
22 months after departing [[New Syrtis]], the fleet arrived in the [[Hyades Cluster]], a system of 8, mutually-orbiting stars, surrounded by no fewer than 37 planetoids, several habitable by humans. However, the path from the jump point to the system required navigating a giant asteroid field occluded by [[Flannagan's Nebulea]]. Though the fleet lost 8% of its vessels, including one which bore Samantha's second husband, [[Victor Taurens]], Samantha decided that the Hyades asteroid field provided a fantastic natural barrier to invasion and piracy. The expedition founded the first of the Taurian worlds, [[Taurus]], on 23 January [[2253]], and quickly commenced colonization efforts on the other habitable worlds within the system.<br />
<br />
Samantha died in a freak accident in [[2268]], leaving her son [[Timothy Calderon|Timothy]] as her sole heir. Despising the hated, brutal, but democratic [[Terran Alliance]], Timothy and the Taurian people agreed that the Protectorship would remain a hereditary Calderon title, further distinguishing the Taurians from the heart of the Inner Sphere. It was Timothy who established egalitarian Taurian social policy - food for work.<br />
<br />
==Traits==<br />
<br />
====Common====<br />
<br />
Members of the Calderon dynasty willingly led the Taurian people, despite the hardship of life away from the Inner Sphere. In order to get by, the leaders of House Calderon generally displayed the following personality traits:<br />
<br />
* pragmatic<br />
* egalitarian<br />
* resolute<br />
* ernest<br />
* idealistic<br />
<br />
However, as the Taurian people originated from Inner Sphere refugees, wide-spread fear of outsiders also pervaded society, only to be reinforced by (virtually all) later dealings with Inner Sphere powers. Therefore, the Calderons (and the Taurian Concordat in general) also were:<br />
<br />
* paranoid<br />
* xenophobic<br />
<br />
====Less Common====<br />
<br />
In times of conflict with the Inner Sphere, the leaders of House Calderon were forced into some grave circumstances. Their actions given those circumstances allowed other traits to come to the surface:<br />
<br />
* audacity<br />
* innovation<br />
* equanimity<br />
<br />
====Summary====<br />
<br />
Ultimately, House Calderon's actions always seemed intended to promote the greater good of the Taurian people. Whether the consequences of their actions actually were beneficial to the Taurian Concordat is debatable, on a grand or microcosmic scale.<br />
<br />
On a grander scale, two glaring examples present themselves. The Calderon expedition chose to settle within the Hyades cluster in part because of the natural defense the Hyades asteroid field provided. When war came to the Concord, though, hiding within the asteroid field allowed the far-flung colonies of the Concord to be depredated. Further, while the military stance of the Concord may have indeed been necessary - especially given the early history of the Taurians with their two neighbors, the [[Federated Suns]] and the [[Capellan Confederation]], but this policy drew the unwanted attentions of the nascent [[Star League]]. Through the [[Reunification War]], the Taurian Concordat was transformed from a viable, powerful Periphery entity into a ravaged shell.<br />
<br />
On a much smaller scale, the case of [[Amalthia Kincaid]] is another great example. General Kincaid was successfully conquering the Taurian Concordat during the Reunification War, with a minimum of casualties on either side. The Concordat, possessing a weapon which could only kill a seriously-ill person, assassinated the sickly Kincaid. The void left by Kincaid's death allowed General [[Amos Forlough]] to conduct war against the Concordat. General Forlough wasted did not waste any effort in destroying (literally burning) world upon world and slaughtering millions of innocents.<br />
<br />
==Ability to Wage War==<br />
<br />
The [[Taurian Concordat]] was essentially established as a mutual protection pact, fearing that larger Inner Sphere neighbors would depredate a defenseless Periphery state. Though there is a much greater degree of freedom within the Concord relative to Inner Sphere powers, the Concord has always put an emphasis on and taken great pride in being able to protect itself. All Taurian citizens must enlist in military service for at least 4 years, though most will never see a battlefield. Frontline soldiers are also extremely capable fighters, given their extensive training and schooling. The only exception to this lies within the Concord's Aerospace assets, a flaw the Concord tried to rectify in the 3040s with the help of the [[Outworlds Alliance]].<br />
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The military-industrial complex of the Concord is also capable of maintaining a healthy fighting force. Indeed, before the [[Reunification War]], the Taurians were the second Periphery nation to field BattleMechs (after the [[Rim Worlds Republic]], who assisted the [[Lyran|Lyran's]] efforts to steal the original schematics), and boasted the largest Warship fleet beyond the Inner Sphere. Lacking self-sufficiency and and having lost a majority of its territory after the Reunification War, including its entire capacity to construct and maintain Warships, the Taurians still maintained enough production to field a sizeable BattleMech army, supplemented with combat vehicles and infantry.<br />
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With advances in lostech, especially after [[3060]], the pace of technological development within the Concord began outstripping the abilities of technicians to keep pace. Combined with the succession crisis caused by the death of Protector [[Jeffrey Calderon]], and the thinly spread resources (gambling on colonization), the Taurian Concordat of the latter half of the 31st century has become a nation close to collapse. Though traditionally the Concord was one of the most stable Periphery realms with a very capable army, the Concordat has become a mere spector of its former glory.<br />
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==Family Tree==<br />
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===Early Family Tree===<br />
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{{familytree/start}}<br />
{{familytree | | | |UN|-|SC|v|VT| |SC=[[Samantha Calderon]]|VT=[[Victor Taurens]]'''*'''|UN=Unknown (deceased)}}<br />
{{familytree | | |,|-|^|-|.| | | |!| |}}<br />
{{familytree | |UN| |UN| |TC| |UN=Daughter (deceased)|TC=[[Timothy Calderon]]'''*'''}}<br />
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | |!| |}}<br />
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | |SC|SC=[[Sandra Calderon]]}}<br />
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | |!| |}}<br />
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | |RC|RC=[[Richard Calderon (Age of War)|Richard Calderon]]}}<br />
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | |!| | |}}<br />
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | |DC| |DC=[[Daniel Calderon]]}}<br />
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | |!| | |}}<br />
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | |AC| |AC=[[Amanda Calderon]]}}<br />
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | |!| |}}<br />
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | |CF| |CF='''Calderon Family'''}}<br />
{{familytree/end}}<br />
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Notes:<br />
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* It is unclear if [[Timothy Calderon]] is the son of [[Samantha Calderon|Samantha Calderon's]] first husband, or [[Victor Taurens]], but it almost certainly is one of these two. (The young) Samantha's first husband and two daughters were shot by a [[Terran Alliance]] firing squad in [[2236]]. [[Samantha Calderon|Samantha]] departed [[Aix-la-Chapelle]] in [[2250]] with [[Victor Taurens]]. [[Victor Taurens|Victor]] died in [[2252]], and [[Taurus]] was settled in [[2253]]. If Samantha had given birth to [[Timothy Calderon]] after landing on Taurus:<br />
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* One probably would not conceive a child during interstellar travel, meaning any child by a third husband would have ''probably'' been born in [[2254]] or later.<br />
* Timothy would have been ''at most'' 14 years old when he took the Protectorship.<br />
* Firing squads do not generally shoot infants (may Terran Alliance firing squads do, though...). It is unlikely to have daughters old enough to be shot by a firing squad if you are not already 20 (reasonably, a young Samantha might have been 25 years old). This means that Samantha would be ''at least'' 38 (probably closer to 45) if she gave birth to Timothy by a third husband.<br />
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===Family Tree, [[2570]] - [[3000]]===<br />
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{{familytree/start}}<br />
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | CF | | | | | | | | | | | | | |CF='''Calderon Family'''}}<br />
{{familytree |F|~|V|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|+|~|~|~|~|V|~|~|7| | |}}<br />
{{familytree |:| |:| | | | | | | AC | | | |:| | |:|AC=[[Amalthia Calderon]]'''*'''}}<br />
{{familytree |:| |:| | | | | |,|-|^|-|.| | |:| | |:|}}<br />
{{familytree |:| |:|KL|-|AC| | |!| | |:| | |:||AC=[[Ariana Calderon]]|KL=[[Kalvin Liao|Kalvin "the Devourer" Liao]]}}<br />
{{familytree |:| |:| | | | | | | | | |!| | |:| | |:|}}<br />
{{familytree |:| |:| | | | | | | | |CC| |:| | |:|CC=[[Caterina Calderon]]}}<br />
{{familytree |:| |:| | | | | | | | | |!| | |:| | |:|}}<br />
{{familytree |:| |:| | | | | | | | |MC| |:| | |:| |MC=[[Mitchell Calderon]]}}<br />
{{familytree |:| |:| | | | | | | | | |!| | |:| | |:|}}<br />
{{familytree |:|HC| | | | | | | |MC| |:| | |:| |HC=[[Henry Calderon]]|MC=[[Marantha Calderon]]'''*'''}}<br />
{{familytree |:| | | | | | | | | | | |:| | |:| | |:| |}}<br />
{{familytree |:| | | | | | | | | | | |:| |CC| |:|CC=[[Carlos Calderon]]}}<br />
{{familytree |:| | | | | | | | | | | |:| | | | | |:|}}<br />
{{familytree |:| | | | | | | | | | | |:| | | | |CC|CC=[[Consuelo Calderon]]}}<br />
{{familytree |:| | | | | | | | | | | |:| | | | | |}}<br />
{{familytree |:| | | | | | | | | | |RC| | | | | |RC=[[Reginald Calderon]]}}<br />
{{familytree |:| | | | | | | | | |,|-|^|-|.| | | |}}<br />
{{familytree |:| | | | | | | | |JC| |BC| | | |JC=[[Jentarra Calderon]]|BC=[[Brandon Calderon]]}}<br />
{{familytree |:| | | | | | | | | | | |,|-|^|-|.| | |}}<br />
{{familytree |:| | | | | | | | | | |UC| | |HC| | | |UC=Unknown|HC=[[Hampton Calderon]]}}<br />
{{familytree |:| | | | | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | | |}}<br />
{{familytree |:| | | | | | | | | | |NC| | | | | |NC=[[Nicoletta Calderon]]'''†'''}}<br />
{{familytree |:| | | | | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | | |}}<br />
{{familytree |:| | | | | | | | | | |SC| | | | | | | |SC=[[Semyon Calderon]]}}<br />
{{familytree |:| | | | | | | | | | | |:| | | | | | | |}}<br />
{{familytree |:| | | | | | | | | | | |:| | | | | | | |}}<br />
{{familytree |:| | | | | | | | | | |IC| | | | | | | |IC=[[Ignatius Calderon]]'''†'''}}<br />
{{familytree |L|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|V|~|J| | | | | | | |}}<br />
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | CF| | | | | | | | | |CF='''Calderon Family'''}}<br />
{{familytree/end}}<br />
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Notes:<br />
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'''*''' - though not explicitly stated, it may be implied that the Calderon line did not experience a succession crisis until the death of [[Marantha Calderon]]<ref>''The Periphery (sourcebook)'', p. 44</ref><br />
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'''†''' - no information is about the parents of [[Nicoletta Calderon|Nicoletta]]. For that matter, it is likewise unclear if the line of succession remained unbroken between [[Nicoletta Calderon]] and [[Zarantha Calderon]], and how many generations come in between.<br />
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===31st Century Family Tree===<br />
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{{familytree/start}}<br />
{{familytree | | | | | | | CF | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |DF|CF='''Calderon Family'''|DF='''Doru Family'''}}<br />
{{familytree | | | | | |,|-|^|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|.| | | |,|^|.|}}<br />
{{familytree | | | | |ZC| | | | | | | | | | | | | | |!| | | |!| |!| |ZC=[[Zarantha Calderon]]}}<br />
{{familytree | | | | | |!| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |!| | | |!| |!|}}<br />
{{familytree | | | | |TC| | | | | | | | | | | | | | |!| | | |!| |!|TC=[[Thomas Calderon]]}}<br />
{{familytree | |,|-|-|v|^|-|v|-|-|v|-|-|.| | | | | | | |!| | | |!| |!|}}<br />
{{familytree |EC|JAC|IC|FC|JEC|y|TM| |BC| |HD|!|FC=[[Felix Calderon]]|IC=[[Ian Calderon|Ian Calderon (deceased)]]|JAC=[[Janice Calderon|Janice Calderon (sickly expatriate)]]|EC=[[Edward Calderon|Edward Calderon (deceased)]]|JEC=[[Jeffrey Calderon]]|TM=[[Talia Martens]]|BC=[[Brenda Calderon]]|HD=[[Hadji Doru]]}}<br />
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | |!| | | | |!| | | | | | | | | | | |!|}}<br />
{{familytree | | | | | |LoC|~|RiC| | |EMC| | | | | | | | | | |!|LoC=[[Lorelei Centrella]]|RiC=[[Richard Calderon (Civil War Era)|Richard Calderon]]|EMC=[[Erik Martens-Calderon]]}}<br />
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |!|}}<br />
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |!|}}<br />
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |KD|KD=[[Kaff Doru]]}}<br />
{{familytree/end}}<br />
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==Notes==<br />
<br />
==References==<br />
<references /><br />
<br />
==Bibliography==<br />
* ''[[The Periphery (sourcebook)]]''<br />
* ''[[The Periphery, 2nd Edition (sourcebook)]]''<br />
* ''[[Field Manual: Periphery]]''<br />
* ''[[Field Manual: Updates]]''<br />
* ''[[Historical: Reunification War]]''<br />
* ''[[Historical: Liberation of Terra Volume 1]]''<br />
[[Category:Houses]]</div>Neufeldhttps://www.sarna.net/wiki/index.php?title=House_Calderon&diff=258187House Calderon2012-06-25T23:45:45Z<p>Neufeld: /* Family Tree, 2570 - 3000 */ Updated.</p>
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'''House Calderon''' was the dynastic ruling house of [[Taurus]], the Taurian Homeworlds, and the [[Taurian Concordat]]. From its founding in [[2335]] to [[3060]], the [[Protector of the Realm|Protectors of the Realm]] of the Taurian Concordat were all Calderons (with the exception of a single regent). Despite its continued reign, the Calderon line was fair, egalitarian, and pragmatic in their decisions.{{cn}}<br />
However, frontier existence and surviving the depredations of the [[Inner Sphere]] also made the Calderons overly xenophobic.<br />
<br />
==Quote==<br />
{{Quote|Morals are one thing. Survival is everything.<ref>More than any other major Periphery realm, House Calderon and the Taurians have had to compromise to survive.<br />
</ref>}}<br />
<br />
-[[Samantha Calderon]], October, [[2252]], reported in ''Modern Explorers''<ref>''Field Manual: Periphery'', p. 47</ref><br />
<br />
==Origins==<br />
<br />
House Calderon are the decendants of [[Samantha Calderon]], the wealthy heiress-businesswoman turned pioneer. Samantha decided to leave the Inner Sphere as a result of the brutality inherent in the nascent [[Inner Sphere]], especially during (and in the wake of) the [[Outer Reaches Rebellion]].<br />
<br />
Samantha married a wealthy businessman who ran a Terraforming concern out of [[Vega]], and started a family on [[Aix-la-Chapelle]]. When Samantha's husband and two daughters were murdered by a [[Terran Alliance]] firing squad during the [[Outer Reaches Rebellion]] in [[2236]], Samantha suddenly found herself in possession of a sizable fortune. However, assets dwindled due to the efforts of [[Marik]] pirates. Rather than allow her wealth to erode, Samantha decided to seek the safety of the Periphery. Samantha's call for pioneers to form a settlement expedition was answered by thousands of disaffected Spheroids. With a fleet of 25 Jumpships, the Calderon expedition left Aix-la-Chapelle in [[2250]], traveling rimward around the Terran Alliance, then rimward.<br />
<br />
22 months after departing [[New Syrtis]], the fleet arrived in the [[Hyades Cluster]], a system of 8, mutually-orbiting stars, surrounded by no fewer than 37 planetoids, several habitable by humans. However, the path from the jump point to the system required navigating a giant asteroid field occluded by [[Flannagan's Nebulea]]. Though the fleet lost 8% of its vessels, including one which bore Samantha's second husband, [[Victor Taurens]], Samantha decided that the Hyades asteroid field provided a fantastic natural barrier to invasion and piracy. The expedition founded the first of the Taurian worlds, [[Taurus]], on 23 January [[2253]], and quickly commenced colonization efforts on the other habitable worlds within the system.<br />
<br />
Samantha died in a freak accident in [[2268]], leaving her son [[Timothy Calderon|Timothy]] as her sole heir. Despising the hated, brutal, but democratic [[Terran Alliance]], Timothy and the Taurian people agreed that the Protectorship would remain a hereditary Calderon title, further distinguishing the Taurians from the heart of the Inner Sphere. It was Timothy who established egalitarian Taurian social policy - food for work.<br />
<br />
==Traits==<br />
<br />
====Common====<br />
<br />
Members of the Calderon dynasty willingly led the Taurian people, despite the hardship of life away from the Inner Sphere. In order to get by, the leaders of House Calderon generally displayed the following personality traits:<br />
<br />
* pragmatic<br />
* egalitarian<br />
* resolute<br />
* ernest<br />
* idealistic<br />
<br />
However, as the Taurian people originated from Inner Sphere refugees, wide-spread fear of outsiders also pervaded society, only to be reinforced by (virtually all) later dealings with Inner Sphere powers. Therefore, the Calderons (and the Taurian Concordat in general) also were:<br />
<br />
* paranoid<br />
* xenophobic<br />
<br />
====Less Common====<br />
<br />
In times of conflict with the Inner Sphere, the leaders of House Calderon were forced into some grave circumstances. Their actions given those circumstances allowed other traits to come to the surface:<br />
<br />
* audacity<br />
* innovation<br />
* equanimity<br />
<br />
====Summary====<br />
<br />
Ultimately, House Calderon's actions always seemed intended to promote the greater good of the Taurian people. Whether the consequences of their actions actually were beneficial to the Taurian Concordat is debatable, on a grand or microcosmic scale.<br />
<br />
On a grander scale, two glaring examples present themselves. The Calderon expedition chose to settle within the Hyades cluster in part because of the natural defense the Hyades asteroid field provided. When war came to the Concord, though, hiding within the asteroid field allowed the far-flung colonies of the Concord to be depredated. Further, while the military stance of the Concord may have indeed been necessary - especially given the early history of the Taurians with their two neighbors, the [[Federated Suns]] and the [[Capellan Confederation]], but this policy drew the unwanted attentions of the nascent [[Star League]]. Through the [[Reunification War]], the Taurian Concordat was transformed from a viable, powerful Periphery entity into a ravaged shell.<br />
<br />
On a much smaller scale, the case of [[Amalthia Kincaid]] is another great example. General Kincaid was successfully conquering the Taurian Concordat during the Reunification War, with a minimum of casualties on either side. The Concordat, possessing a weapon which could only kill a seriously-ill person, assassinated the sickly Kincaid. The void left by Kincaid's death allowed General [[Amos Forlough]] to conduct war against the Concordat. General Forlough wasted did not waste any effort in destroying (literally burning) world upon world and slaughtering millions of innocents.<br />
<br />
==Ability to Wage War==<br />
<br />
The [[Taurian Concordat]] was essentially established as a mutual protection pact, fearing that larger Inner Sphere neighbors would depredate a defenseless Periphery state. Though there is a much greater degree of freedom within the Concord relative to Inner Sphere powers, the Concord has always put an emphasis on and taken great pride in being able to protect itself. All Taurian citizens must enlist in military service for at least 4 years, though most will never see a battlefield. Frontline soldiers are also extremely capable fighters, given their extensive training and schooling. The only exception to this lies within the Concord's Aerospace assets, a flaw the Concord tried to rectify in the 3040s with the help of the [[Outworlds Alliance]].<br />
<br />
The military-industrial complex of the Concord is also capable of maintaining a healthy fighting force. Indeed, before the [[Reunification War]], the Taurians were the second Periphery nation to field BattleMechs (after the [[Rim Worlds Republic]], who assisted the [[Lyran|Lyran's]] efforts to steal the original schematics), and boasted the largest Warship fleet beyond the Inner Sphere. Lacking self-sufficiency and and having lost a majority of its territory after the Reunification War, including its entire capacity to construct and maintain Warships, the Taurians still maintained enough production to field a sizeable BattleMech army, supplemented with combat vehicles and infantry.<br />
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With advances in lostech, especially after [[3060]], the pace of technological development within the Concord began outstripping the abilities of technicians to keep pace. Combined with the succession crisis caused by the death of Protector [[Jeffrey Calderon]], and the thinly spread resources (gambling on colonization), the Taurian Concordat of the latter half of the 31st century has become a nation close to collapse. Though traditionally the Concord was one of the most stable Periphery realms with a very capable army, the Concordat has become a mere spector of its former glory.<br />
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==Family Tree==<br />
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===Early Family Tree===<br />
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{{familytree/start}}<br />
{{familytree | | | |UN|-|SC|v|VT| |SC=[[Samantha Calderon]]|VT=[[Victor Taurens]]'''*'''|UN=Unknown (deceased)}}<br />
{{familytree | | |,|-|^|-|.| | | |!| |}}<br />
{{familytree | |UN| |UN| |TC| |UN=Daughter (deceased)|TC=[[Timothy Calderon]]'''*'''}}<br />
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | |!| |}}<br />
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | |SC|SC=[[Sandra Calderon]]}}<br />
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | |!| |}}<br />
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | |RC|RC=[[Richard Calderon (Age of War)|Richard Calderon]]}}<br />
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | |!| | |}}<br />
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | |DC| |DC=[[Daniel Calderon]]}}<br />
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | |!| | |}}<br />
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | |AC| |AC=[[Amanda Calderon]]}}<br />
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | |!| |}}<br />
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | |CF| |CF='''Calderon Family'''}}<br />
{{familytree/end}}<br />
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Notes:<br />
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* It is unclear if [[Timothy Calderon]] is the son of [[Samantha Calderon|Samantha Calderon's]] first husband, or [[Victor Taurens]], but it almost certainly is one of these two. (The young) Samantha's first husband and two daughters were shot by a [[Terran Alliance]] firing squad in [[2236]]. [[Samantha Calderon|Samantha]] departed [[Aix-la-Chapelle]] in [[2250]] with [[Victor Taurens]]. [[Victor Taurens|Victor]] died in [[2252]], and [[Taurus]] was settled in [[2253]]. If Samantha had given birth to [[Timothy Calderon]] after landing on Taurus:<br />
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* One probably would not conceive a child during interstellar travel, meaning any child by a third husband would have ''probably'' been born in [[2254]] or later.<br />
* Timothy would have been ''at most'' 14 years old when he took the Protectorship.<br />
* Firing squads do not generally shoot infants (may Terran Alliance firing squads do, though...). It is unlikely to have daughters old enough to be shot by a firing squad if you are not already 20 (reasonably, a young Samantha might have been 25 years old). This means that Samantha would be ''at least'' 38 (probably closer to 45) if she gave birth to Timothy by a third husband.<br />
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===Family Tree, [[2570]] - [[3000]]===<br />
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{{familytree/start}}<br />
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | CF | | | | | | | | | | | | | |CF='''Calderon Family'''}}<br />
{{familytree |F|~|V|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|+|~|~|~|~|V|~|~|7| | |}}<br />
{{familytree |:| |:| | | | | | | AC | | | |:| | |:|AC=[[Amalthia Calderon]]'''*'''}}<br />
{{familytree |:| |:| | | | | |,|-|^|-|.| | |:| | |:|}}<br />
{{familytree |:| |:|KL|-|AC| | |!| | |:| | |:||AC=[[Ariana Calderon]]|KL=[[Kalvin Liao|Kalvin "the Devourer" Liao]]}}<br />
{{familytree |:| |:| | | | | | | | | |!| | |:| | |:|}}<br />
{{familytree |:| |:| | | | | | | | |CC| |:| | |:|CC=[[Caterina Calderon]]}}<br />
{{familytree |:| |:| | | | | | | | | |!| | |:| | |:|}}<br />
{{familytree |:| |:| | | | | | | | |MC| |:| | |:| |MC=[[Mitchell Calderon]]}}<br />
{{familytree |:| |:| | | | | | | | | |!| | |:| | |:|}}<br />
{{familytree |:|HC| | | | | | | |MC| |:| | |:| |HC=[[Henry Calderon]]|MC=[[Marantha Calderon]]'''*'''}}<br />
{{familytree |:| | | | | | | | | | | |:| | |:| | |:| |}}<br />
{{familytree |:| | | | | | | | | | | |:| |CC| |:|CC=[[Carlos Calderon]]}}<br />
{{familytree |:| | | | | | | | | | | |:| | | | | |:|}}<br />
{{familytree |:| | | | | | | | | | | |:| | | | |CC|CC=[[Consuelo Calderon]]}}<br />
{{familytree |:| | | | | | | | | | | |:| | | | | |}}<br />
{{familytree |:| | | | | | | | | | |RC| | | | | |RC=[[Reginald Calderon]]}}<br />
{{familytree |:| | | | | | | | | |,|-|^|-|.| | | |}}<br />
{{familytree |:| | | | | | | | |JC| |BC| | | |JC=[[Jentarra Calderon]]|BC=[[Brandon Calderon]]}}<br />
{{familytree |:| | | | | | | | | | | |,|-|^|-|.| | |}}<br />
{{familytree |:| | | | | | | | | | |UC| | |HC| | | |UC=Unknown|HC=[[Hampton Calderon]]}}<br />
{{familytree |:| | | | | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | | |}}<br />
{{familytree |:| | | | | | | | | | |NC| | | | | |NC=[[Nicoletta Calderon]]'''†'''}}<br />
{{familytree |:| | | | | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | | |}}<br />
{{familytree |:| | | | | | | | | | |SC| | | | | | | |SC=[[Semyon Calderon]]}}<br />
{{familytree |:| | | | | | | | | | | |:| | | | | | | |}}<br />
{{familytree |:| | | | | | | | | | | |:| | | | | | | |}}<br />
{{familytree |:| | | | | | | | | | |IC| | | | | | | |IC=[[Ignatius Calderon]]'''†'''}}<br />
{{familytree |L|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|V|~|J| | | | | | | |}}<br />
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | CF| | | | | | | | | |CF='''Calderon Family'''}}<br />
{{familytree/end}}<br />
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Notes:<br />
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'''*''' - though not explicitly stated, it may be implied that the Calderon line did not experience a succession crisis until the death of [[Marantha Calderon]]<ref>''The Periphery (sourcebook)'', p. 44</ref><br />
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'''†''' - no information is about the parents of [[Nicoletta Calderon|Nicoletta]]. For that matter, it is likewise unclear if the line of succession remained unbroken between [[Nicoletta Calderon]] and [[Zarantha Calderon]], and how many generations come in between.<br />
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===31st Century Family Tree===<br />
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{{familytree/start}}<br />
{{familytree | | | | | | | CF | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |DF|CF='''Calderon Family'''|DF='''Doru Family'''}}<br />
{{familytree | | | | | |,|-|^|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|.| | | |,|^|.|}}<br />
{{familytree | | | | |ZC| | | | | | | | | | | | | | |!| | | |!| |!| |ZC=[[Zarantha Calderon]]}}<br />
{{familytree | | | | | |!| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |!| | | |!| |!|}}<br />
{{familytree | | | | |TC| | | | | | | | | | | | | | |!| | | |!| |!|TC=[[Thomas Calderon]]}}<br />
{{familytree | |,|-|-|v|^|-|v|-|-|v|-|-|.| | | | | | | |!| | | |!| |!|}}<br />
{{familytree |EC|JAC|IC|FC|JEC|y|TM| |BC| |HD|!|FC=[[Felix Calderon]]|IC=[[Ian Calderon|Ian Calderon (deceased)]]|JAC=[[Janice Calderon|Janice Calderon (sickly expatriate)]]|EC=[[Edward Calderon|Edward Calderon (deceased)]]|JEC=[[Jeffrey Calderon]]|TM=[[Talia Martens]]|BC=[[Brenda Calderon]]|HD=[[Hadji Doru]]}}<br />
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | |!| | | | |!| | | | | | | | | | | |!|}}<br />
{{familytree | | | | | |LoC|~|RiC| | |EMC| | | | | | | | | | |!|LoC=[[Lorelei Centrella]]|RiC=[[Richard Calderon (Civil War Era)|Richard Calderon]]|EMC=[[Erik Martens-Calderon]]}}<br />
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |!|}}<br />
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |!|}}<br />
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |KD|KD=[[Kaff Doru]]}}<br />
{{familytree/end}}<br />
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==Notes==<br />
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==References==<br />
<references /><br />
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==Bibliography==<br />
* ''[[The Periphery (sourcebook)]]''<br />
* ''[[The Periphery, 2nd Edition (sourcebook)]]''<br />
* ''[[Field Manual: Periphery]]''<br />
* ''[[Field Manual: Updates]]''<br />
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[[Category:Houses]]</div>Neufeldhttps://www.sarna.net/wiki/index.php?title=Nicoletta_Calderon&diff=258185Nicoletta Calderon2012-06-25T23:34:28Z<p>Neufeld: Trying to make the family situation more clear.</p>
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[[File:Nicoletta Calderon.jpg|right|thumb|Nicoletta Calderon]]<br />
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'''Nicoletta Calderon''' (b. 4 January [[2708]], d. 29 November [[2801]])<ref name=H:LoTV1p66>''Historical: Liberation of Terra Volume 1'', p. 66, "Nicoletta Calderon"</ref>, became Protector of the [[Taurian Concordat]] in [[2726]] with the assasination of [[Hampton Calderon]].<br />
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==History==<br />
Nicoletta was only 18 years old at the time when she became Protector, after her grandfather retired and her uncle was killed.<ref name=H:LoTV1p66/><br />
She would go on to lead the Concordat through the death of the [[Star League]] and was one of the major architechs of its demise. Nicoletta spent most of her long tenure as Protector defending her nation from the increasingly severe burdens that the Star League was then afflicting the [[Periphery]] states. She also cultivated closer ties to those same states long before the [[Inner Sphere]] powers noticed her actions. The rest of her foreign policy was simply focusing on improving affairs within the Concordat to clear the way for her to sieze any opportunities the Star League and the Great Houses might give her to benifit her people. In this fashion Nicoletta was able to better prepare the [[Taurian Concordat]] for the break down of interstellar cooperation. No other nation or state was so well prepared as the Concordat when the [[Amaris Crisis]] arose. <ref>'' The Periphery (sourcebook)'', p. 51</ref><br />
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It was Nicoletta who initiated efforts to bring the Periphery nations together in a unified political block to counter further [[Star League]] depredations. She was often allied with [[Janina Centrella]] of the [[Magistracy of Canopus]]. But they could not slow [[Richard Cameron]]'s Taxation Edict of [[2763]]. After recieving tepid (at best) responses from the High Council for relief from unfair taxations and trade barriers she knew that her nation would have to one day fight for freedom. Nicoletta first carefully built up the [[TDF]] as well as the planetary militias. With the most of the 20 '''known''' weapons manufacturies outside of the Inner Sphere located in the the Concordat she was able to siphon off production to her own forces slowly and secretly. Janina was hiring every mercencary she could get. It was these efforts that gave [[Stephan Amaris]] the cover he needed to launch his coup. Though much of the [[New Vandenberg Uprising]] seems to have been solely Nicoletta's work, Amaris had convinced her that there was much greater opposition to [[Richard Cameron]]'s rule among the Great Houses, especially after Cameron's [[Executive Order 156]] in [[2762]]. <ref>''The Star League'',pp.65,71,76</ref> <ref>''The Periphery (sourcebook)'',p.53</ref><br />
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The [[New Vandenberg Uprising]] was focus of the [[SLDF]] and General Kerensky. With the whole of humanity watching as 18 worlds 'seceeded' from the [[Taurian Concordat]] in [[2765]] Nicoletta did ...nothing. By allowing the Uprising to stand as an internal matter to be decided by the Concordat, Nicoletta tied up any political or military action by impling that Richard would send the [[SLDF]] into '''any''' Great House internal matter whenever he chose to intervein. Nicoletta met personally with [[Richard Cameron]] for the second and last time in [[2765]]; her disdain for a man that kept both his sisters bound to incestious relationships made for a 'colorful' exchange that only infuriated the First Lord and amused the jaded High Council. Though the Civil war ravaged the [[Inner Sphere]] and the [[Rim Worlds Republic]] with over 100 million dead, the [[Taurian Concordat]], the [[Magistracy of Canopus]] and the [[Outworlds Alliance]] suffered very little. Nicoletta kept a strict neutrality to both Amaris and Kerensky, giving no aid or support to her old 'ally' in his battle with the Great General. <ref>''The Star League'',p.95</ref> <ref>''The Periphery, 2nd Edition (sourcebook)'',p.9</ref><br />
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'''Nicoletta Calderon''' 's other great work was the establishment of [[Comstar]] in [[2781]]. The ravages of the Civil War and the callous jocking for power among the High Council clearly showed that there had to be a neutral body to run the [[HPG]] network without bias. Lead by Nicoletta and aided by General Kerensky, the High Countcil appointed [[Jerome Blake]] to organize and opperate the newly created Comstar. This would be the last time the full High Council would meet; Nicoletta and Janina returned to their realms two days after that vote and, shortly after that with very little fanfare, declared independance from the [[Star League]] on August 12th, [[2781]]. Not much later the Great Lords voted to disolve the [[Star League]] that same year. <ref>''The Star League'',p.95</ref> <ref>''The Periphery (sourcebook)'',pp.54,56</ref> <ref>''ComStar (sourcebook)'', p.9</ref><br />
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Nicoletta died in [[2801]], after which her son [[Semyon Calderon|Semyon]] became protector.<ref name=H:LoTV1p66/><br />
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==Notes==<br />
''There is no source that details Nicoletta's parentage. It is stated that she was Hampton's niece, and Brandon's granddaughter.<ref name=H:LoTV1p66/> Please see the family tree notes on the [[House Calderon]] page for further details.''<br />
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==Positions==<br />
{{s-start}}<br />
{{s-bef|before=[[Hampton Calderon]]}}<br />
{{s-title|title=Protector of the Realm|years=[[2725]]-[[2801]]}}<br />
{{s-aft|after=[[Semyon Calderon]]}}<br />
{{s-end}}<br />
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==References==<br />
<references/><br />
<br />
==Bibliography==<br />
*''[[ComStar (sourcebook)]]''<br />
*''[[Historical: Liberation of Terra Volume 1]]''<br />
*''[[The Periphery (sourcebook)]]''<br />
*''[[The Star League]]''<br />
*''[[The Periphery, 2nd Edition (sourcebook)]]''<br />
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[[Category:Taurian Concordat Characters|Calderon, Nicoletta]]<br />
[[Category:House Calderon Characters|Calderon, Nicoletta]]<br />
[[Category:Minor Characters|Calderon, Calderon, Nicoletta]]</div>Neufeldhttps://www.sarna.net/wiki/index.php?title=2760&diff=25813427602012-06-25T17:04:30Z<p>Neufeld: Janina Centrella becomes Magestrix.</p>
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*'''March 19th:''' [[Raymond Sainze]] is born.<br />
* [[Michael Steiner II]] dies.<br />
* [[Robert Steiner II]] named Archon of the Lyran Commonwealth.<br />
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* Terran Hegemony produces the [[Extended Range Particle Projector Cannon]].<br />
* Kallon Weapons Industries fields the ''[[Hornet]]'' BattleMech.</div>Neufeldhttps://www.sarna.net/wiki/index.php?title=Janina_Centrella&diff=258133Janina Centrella2012-06-25T17:03:06Z<p>Neufeld: Added a bit more info regarding her family.</p>
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[[File:Janina Centrella.jpg|right|thumb|Janina Centrella]]<br />
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'''Janina Centrella''' (b. 16 March [[2723]] - d. 4 January [[2802]]) was [[Magestrix]] of Canopus during the [[Amaris Crisis]].<ref name=H:LoTV1p65>''Historical: Liberation of Terra Volume 1'', p. 65, "Janina Centrella Profile"</ref><br />
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==History==<br />
===Early life===<br />
<br />
===Magestrix===<br />
Elected in [[2760]] following the death of her mother, [[Vanura Centrella]], Janina proved a brilliant Magestrix, successfully protecting Canopian investments and withdrawing their remaining soldiers from the [[SLDF]].<ref name=H:LoTV1p65/><br />
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Infamous for her decadence and her indifference to the wellbeing of the Star League, Janina sat and watched as [[Richard Cameron]], [[Stefan Amaris]] and [[Aleksandr Kerensky]] tore it apart. In 2780 when the Star League Council met for the last time, the Magestrix did not bother to attend.<br />
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==Family==<br />
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She was the daughter of Vanura Centrella. Rwannah Centrella is her niece.<ref name=H:LoTV1p65/><br />
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==Positions and titles==<br />
{{S-start}}<br />
{{S-bef|before = [[Vanura Centrella]]}}<br />
{{S-title|title =Magestrix of the [[Magistracy of Canopus]]|years=[[2760]] &ndash; [[2802]]<ref name=H:LoTV1p65/>}}<br />
{{S-aft|after = [[Rwannah Centrella]]<ref name=H:LoTV1p65/>}}<br />
{{S-end}}<br />
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==References==<br />
<references/><br />
==Bibliography==<br />
*''[[Historical: Liberation of Terra Volume 1]]''<br />
<br />
[[Category:Magistracy of Canopus Characters|Centrella, Janina]]<br />
[[Category:Minor Characters|Centrella, Janina]]<br />
[[Category:House Centrella Characters|Centrella, Janina]]</div>Neufeldhttps://www.sarna.net/wiki/index.php?title=Janina_Centrella&diff=258130Janina Centrella2012-06-25T16:58:09Z<p>Neufeld: Added successor.</p>
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[[File:Janina Centrella.jpg|right|thumb|Janina Centrella]]<br />
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'''Janina Centrella''' (b. 16 March [[2723]] - d. 4 January [[2802]]) was [[Magestrix]] of Canopus during the [[Amaris Crisis]].<ref name=H:LoTV1p65>''Historical: Liberation of Terra Volume 1'', p. 65, "Janina Centrella Profile"</ref><br />
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==History==<br />
===Early life===<br />
Elected following the death of [[Vanura Centrella]], Janina proved a brilliant Magestrix, successfully protecting Canopian investments and withdrawing their remaining soldiers from the [[SLDF]].<br />
<br />
Infamous for her decadence and her indifference to the wellbeing of the Star League, Janina sat and watched as [[Richard Cameron]], [[Stefan Amaris]] and [[Aleksandr Kerensky]] tore it apart. In 2780 when the Star League Council met for the last time, the Magestrix did not bother to attend.<br />
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==Family==<br />
It is unclear if Janina was daughter of Vanura.<br />
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==Positions and titles==<br />
{{S-start}}<br />
{{S-bef|before = [[Vanura Centrella]]}}<br />
{{S-title|title =Magestrix of the [[Magistracy of Canopus]]|years=[[2760]] &ndash; [[2802]]<ref name=H:LoTV1p65/>}}<br />
{{S-aft|after = [[Rwannah Cantrella]]<ref name=H:LoTV1p65/>}}<br />
{{S-end}}<br />
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==References==<br />
<references/><br />
==Bibliography==<br />
*''[[Historical: Liberation of Terra Volume 1]]''<br />
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[[Category:Magistracy of Canopus Characters|Centrella, Janina]]<br />
[[Category:Minor Characters|Centrella, Janina]]<br />
[[Category:House Centrella Characters|Centrella, Janina]]</div>Neufeldhttps://www.sarna.net/wiki/index.php?title=Aletha_Kabrinski&diff=258047Aletha Kabrinski2012-06-24T23:19:30Z<p>Neufeld: Link repair.</p>
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[[File:Aletha Kabrinski.jpg|right|thumb|At Age of 32 in 3050]]<br />
[[File:Aletha Kabrinski 2.jpg|right|thumb|At Age of 42 in 3062]]<br />
[[File:Aletha Kabrinski 1.jpg|right|thumb|At Age of 58 in 3076]]<br />
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'''Aletha Kabrinski''' (born [[3018]]<ref name=ER3052-88>''Era Report: 3052'', p. 88, "Aletha Kabrinski Profile"</ref> - died ????) was the [[saKhan]] and eventually [[khan]] of [[Clan Ghost Bear]] and the commanding officer of the clan's [[Alpha Galaxy (Clan Ghost Bear)|Alpha Galaxy]] during the [[Battle of Luthien (Jihad)|Battle of Luthien]]. <ref name=JTPL_7>''Jihad Turning Points: Luthien'', p. 7, "Alpha Galaxy [Clan Ghost Bear]"</ref> and through to the end of the [[Jihad]]<br />
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==History==<br />
Kabrinski, as Khan, commanded the lead galaxy in the December [[3074]] Ghost Bear attack against the [[Word of Blake|Blakist]] presence on [[Luthien]]. Under her guidance, bystanders, Kuritan loyalist or rebel, were swept aside if they were caught between the two opposing forces. The Blakists were executed, whether they surrendered or not, and no salvage was gathered.<ref name=JTPL_7/><br />
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Aletha also led the Ghost Bear delegation to the Snow Ravens in late [[3075]] that successfully persuaded the Ravens to support the allied coalition being assembled by [[Devlin Stone]], and travelled back to the coalition escorted by two [[Star]]s of Snow Raven ships in February [[3076]].<ref name="JHS:Tp20">''Jihad Hot Spots: Terra'', p. 20, "Timeline of the Jihad"</ref><ref name="J:FRp55">''Jihad: Final Reckoning'', p. 55, "The Jihad In Review"</ref><br />
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==Portrait Gallery==<br />
<gallery><br />
Image:Aletha Kabrinski CCG Mercenaries.jpg|Aletha Kabrinski<br />
</gallery><br />
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==References==<br />
<references /><br />
<br />
==Bibliography==<br />
* ''[[Era Report: 3052]]''<br />
* ''[[Jihad: Final Reckoning]]''<br />
* ''[[Jihad Hot Spots: Terra]]''<br />
* ''[[Jihad Turning Points: Luthien]]''<br />
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[[Category:Clan Characters|Kabrinski, Aletha]]<br />
[[Category:Clan Ghost Bear Characters|Kabrinski, Aletha]]<br />
[[Category:saKhans|Kabrinski, Aletha]]</div>Neufeldhttps://www.sarna.net/wiki/index.php?title=Lynn_McKenna&diff=257975Lynn McKenna2012-06-24T13:34:19Z<p>Neufeld: /* Disasters in Space */ Duplicate of a reference, removed one of them.</p>
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<div>Lynn McKenna (born [[2991]]<ref name=MMp159>''Masters and Minions'', p 159 - "Lynn McKenna, Profile"</ref> - died [[3080]]<ref>''The Wars of Reaving'', p. 179</ref>) was the [[Khan]] of [[Clan Snow Raven]] for several decades after [[Operation Revival]]. She oversaw her Clan's escape from the [[Clan Homeworlds]] during the [[Wars of Reaving]] after the [[Raven Alliance]] became a reality.<ref name=FM:WCp127>''Field manual: Warden Clans'', p. 127 - "Senior Khan Lynn McKenna"</ref><br />
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==Biography==<br />
Described as a very petite woman with short, thick mousy colored hair that whitened with age, Lynn McKenna was born during the height of the [[Political Century]]. She was said to have an air about her that disarmed and relaxed people in her presence, which doubtlessly helped her in her climb through the Machiavellian politics for which her [[Clan]] is so well-known. Throughout her career she typified the Snow Raven ideal, persevering and overcoming adversity by any means at her disposal.<ref name=MMp159/><ref name=FM:WCp127/> <br />
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===Early Life and Training===<br />
McKenna was unusually small for her Bloodline, which is is noted to produce warriors for all branches of the [[Clan Snow Raven Touman]]. This prompted the Snow Raven Warders who raised her ''[[sibko]]'' to regard her as the "runt", and in turn encouraged her sibmates to single her out for harsh treatment. Instead of crumbling under the strain, Lynn McKenna excelled at her studies and training, consistently besting her ''sibko''. She also learned to manipulate those around her from an early age and onward through cadet training, fully understanding what it took to get her sibmates and others to do what she wanted, sometimes even setting them against one another.<ref name=MMp159/><ref name=FM:WCp127/> <br />
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===Khan of the Snow Ravens=== <br />
Lynn McKenna quickly rose through the ranks, and was elected Khan of Clan Snow Raven in [[3045]].<ref name=FM:WCp127/> Only a few years into her reign, the [[Outbound Light]] incident occurred. While she disagreed with the [[Crusader Clans|Crusader]]'s view that the Inner Sphere would be easily conquered by only a few Clans, she and many other Khans voted in favor of action, falling prey to the fear of the [[Great House]]s marching on the [[Kerensky Cluster]]. But before the Trials that determined which Clans would get to invade could take place, her Clan came under attack by the forces of [[Clan Coyote]]'s Gamma Galaxy. Thinking to better their position prior to [[Operation Revival]], the Coyotes were surprised by the stiff resistance put up by the Raven's own [[Gamma_Galaxy_(Clan_Snow_Raven)|Gamma Galaxy]]. The damage done to both Clans would keep them each out of the upcoming invasion of the [[Inner Sphere]], however, the Raven's [[Touman]] fought back hard enough that the Coyotes were forced to disband Gamma [[Galaxy]] only a few years later.<ref name=FM:WCp121>''Field Manual: Warden Clans'', p. 121 - "Birds of Prey"(3048 - 3058)</ref><ref>''Field Manual: Warden Clans'', p. 130 - "Clan Snow Raven, Gamma Galaxy"</ref><ref>''Field Manual: Warden Clans'', p. 51, "Clan Coyote, Epsilon Galaxy"</ref> <br />
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===The Raven and the Falcon===<br />
Missing their chance at the Inner Sphere invasion, the Ravens were not about to miss their true opportunity. Many decades prior, Khan [[Ewan McCorkell]] had realized that the Snow Ravens would not be able to unseat one of the more dominant [[Clan]]s, and had prepared them for that eventuality by trading many older [[BattleMech]]s to [[Clan Blood Spirit]] for three of their unneeded [[WarShip]]s. Khan McKenna would use this increase in her Clan's fleet to their advantage by contracting out ten of their WarShips to [[Clan Jade Falcon]] to provide transport and escort services during the invasion. In return, the Ravens were granted trade concessions on ''[[Isorla]]'' and other goods brought back to the [[Clan Homeworlds]]. Over the next several years, this agreement would allow the Ravens to catapult their status from the margins of Clan Society into a far greater position.<ref name=FM:WCp121/><br />
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After the death of [[ilKhan]] [[Leo Showers]] in [[3051]], the [[Invading Clans]] returned to Clanspace in order to elect a new ilKhan. Jade Falcon Khan [[Elias Crichell]] proposed that the two Clans enter a formal alliance, offering genetic materials, technical knowledge and finally, the world of [[Hellgate]]. Khan McKenna jumped at the chance to regain the colony that they had lost to the [[Clan Steel Viper]] over one hundred years prior. She sent [[saKhan]] [[Joseph Crow]] - himself a Crusader - to work out the details, which would extend the WarShip contract to ten years. Though many within the Snow Ravens would challenge her and saKhan Crow, McKenna held her Clan to the honorably struck bargain.<ref name=FM:WCp121/><ref name=FM:CCp92>''Field Manual: Crusader Clans'', p. 92 - "Taking Wing: Operation Revival and Beyond"</ref> <br />
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===Family Politics===<br />
This state of affairs came to a head when the death of the head of the McKenna [[Bloodname]] House died in [[3055]]. A call was issued to all Bloodnamed warriors to return to the Raven capital world of [[Lum]] to vote for a new leader. All warriors answered the call, except for one: Nerran McKenna, who fought as ''[[abtakha]]'' for Clan Jade Falcon, was not allowed back. The Jade Falcons cited various military reasons as well as the incredible distances involved (an eight month journey via command circuit) as their primary reason for disallowing him to return for this vital function. Khan McKenna and the Snow Ravens took a different view; they saw it as Jade Falcon interference in the internal workings of their Clan, essentially a mortal insult. The Snow Raven took the opportunity to break off their alliance, though the [[Grand Council]] allowed them to retain Hellgate and the offered genetic material as recompense. The WarShip deal would stay in place for the duration of the agreement, however, Khan McKenna refused to offer any additional support.<ref name=FM:WCp121/><ref name=FM:CCp92/> <br />
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===Homeworld Losses and Gains===<br />
Though many Clans hoped to take part in a renewed invasion, Khan McKenna and the Snow Ravens would opt instead to stay out of [[Asa Taney]]'s so-called [[Home Clan Coalition]], acknowledging that the invader Clans would not tolerate interlopers if they could possibly prevent it. SaKhan Joseph Crow thought to upset the Jade Falcons in several attacks that took place in late [[3058]] and [[3059]], but instead lost two [[Cluster]]s to them in the [[Harvest Trials]] - along with several smaller units lost to [[Clan Wolf]] - which resulted in Khan McKenna ordering her troops to stand down from any more engagements with either Clan.<ref name=FM:WCp121,122>''Field Manual: Warden Clans'', p. 121, 122 - "Recent Events"(3058 - 3060)</ref><ref>''Field Manual: Crusader Clans'', p. 93 - "Power Games: Preparations for War (3059)"</ref> <br />
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She would instead concentrate on territory to be gained during events in the Clan Homeworlds. In the wake of the [[Trial of Annihilation|Annihilation]] of [[Clan Smoke Jaguar]] by [[Task Force Serpent]] and the subsequent [[Trial of Abjuration|Abjuration]] of [[Clan Nova Cat]], Khan McKenna would authorize her naval forces to assist the Nova Cats in their flight from the Kerensky Cluster, much to the chagrin of many of her fellow Khans. The Snow Ravens also had a good idea about the [[Clan Ghost Bear]] withdrawal to the Inner Sphere, having helped them design the ''[[Leviathan]]'' class transports (which would later be converted back into Battleships as originally designed) that made the move possible. In each case, her Clan made substantial gains; on [[Circe]] from enclaves formerly controlled by the Jaguars and the Nova Cats, as well as on [[Bearclaw]] and its associated asteroid mining operations, which the Ghost Bears gifted to the Ravens for their aid assisting them on their clandestine exodus. She would also order an expeditionary force to [[Homer]], taking the former Jaguar enclave their, and coming into conflict with their old enemies, the Steel Vipers.<ref name=FM:WCp121,122/><br />
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===Moving on Out===<br />
However substantial these gains were - gains that nearly doubled their land holdings amongst the contentious Clans - they would not be enough for Khan McKenna's plans. With her Clan having grown dependent on resources supplied by trade agreements with the Jade Falcons and the Ghost Bears, trade agreements that were no longer in place or feasible, she would next authorize her merchant navy to secure new sources to supply her rapidly growing Clan. After taking the world of [[Farstar]] in the [[Deep Periphery]] and gathering intelligence on both the [[Draconis Combine]] and the [[Federated Suns]] from intelligence personal that were stationed on the world, the Raven fleet ventured further rimward, toward [[Outworlds Alliance]] territory. In [[3064]], they encountered a patrol from that Periphery nation, actually losing a Trial of Possession to the highly skilled [[Alliance Aerospace Group]]. The two sides entered negotiations, initially for a base of operations within the OA in order to more easily explore towards the Hyades Rim. As a result, the Ravens were allowed to use the world of [[Baliggora]] as a base of operations, in exchange for medical and bio technology as well as a relatively small amount of technical assistance, which in turn resulted in the development of the Outworlders' ''[[Corax]]'' OmniFighter, named in honor of their new Clan allies.<ref name=FM:WCp121,122/><ref name=FM:Up64>''Field Manual: Updates'', p. 64 - "Clan Snow Raven"</ref><ref>''The Wars of Reaving'', p. 20 - "Ravens in the Outworlds"</ref><br />
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After the massive Steel Viper attack on Lum in [[3065]] (in which new saKhan [[Bryn Cooper]] died while attempting to destroy fleeing elements of the Vipers), these talks deepened. Khan McKenna knew that her Clan's best hope was to escape the Clan Homeworlds - just as their allies, the Ghost Bears, had done. Quietly, her Clan prepared itself for this eventuality, procuring an agreement from the Outworlders for possession of the massive former Star League fleet base and orbital facilities at [[Quatre Belle]].<ref name=FM:Up64/><ref>''The Wars of Reaving'', p. 22 - ''Periphery Plots''</ref> <br />
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The next few years were busy as Raven Homeworld assets began to be shifted to their new grounds in the Inner Sphere. After the initial attacks nuclear attacks on [[Tharkad]] and [[New Avalon]] in [[3067]] during what would come to be known as the [[Jihad]], Khan McKenna proposed a plan to the [[Grand Council]] to launch a new invasion, to help provide cover for an acceleration of her Clan's moving process. The vote would fail, but Raven preparations would still continue. The Ravens would also agree to construct a small mobile shipyard for the Hells Horses at this time, helping yet another Clan to exit the Clan Homeworlds.<ref>''The Wars of Reaving'', p. "31 - "Cracks in the Foundation</ref><ref>''The Wars of Reaving'', p. 33 - "Secret Moves, Secret Worlds"</ref><br />
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===Disasters in Space===<br />
Events continued to escalate amongst the [[Home Clans]]. After losing Zeta Galaxy to Clan Blood Spirit in a Trial of Possession fought on [[Strana Mechty]], the Ravens would enrage [[Clan Star Adder]] upon delivering Zeta to York, which helped the Blood Spirits to retake lost territory.<ref>''The Wars of Reaving'', p. 35 - "The Art of Distraction"</ref> The Star Adders sought revenge for this transgression, and in December of [[3068]] they struck. Attacking [[Lum]] with a large naval force, the Ravens would narrowly claim victory, but at great cost. [[Clan Goliath Scorpion]] appeared in system soon after, declaring a Trial of Possession for the Snow Raven orbital facilities above Lum, which they would go on to lose, with most of the orbital shipayrds destroyed in the process. Khan McKenna lodged a protest with the Grand Council, claiming collusion between the two Clans to destroy a vital Clan asset, which would also fail to succeed. Embarrassed by this turn of event, she then challenged the Scorpions to a [[Trial of Grievance]]. This trial, too, would result in a narrow Goliath Scorpion victory.<ref name=TWORp40>''The Wars of Reaving'', p. 40 - "Lamentations and the Raven"</ref><br />
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''"It is decided, then. By the will of our own Founders, we must act. Now."<br />
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In the Inner Sphere in early [[3069]], the Raven's [[Swift Wing Naval Assault Star (Clan Snow Raven)|Swift Wing Naval Assault Star]] came under attack from a guerrilla force while stationed at the Outworlds Alliance world of [[Ramora]], destroying . Due to their use of tactics and equipment resembling to that of the [[Draconis Combine]], the Snow Ravens struck out at the Combine immediately and with no remorse, under Khan McKenna's orders. Blazing a trail through Combine space that saw the Ravens and their Outworlder allies take several worlds which were promptly stripped of all usable hardware, the [[Storm_Crow_Naval_Pursuit_Star_(Clan_Snow_Raven)|Storm Crow Naval Pursuit Star]], led by [[Loremaster]] [[Klaus Harper]], reached [[Galedon V]] in early June of 3069, and after a week of allowing civilians and others to flee the doomed world, proceeded to destroy every location of significance on the planet in retribution for the perceived attack. The reprisal was not without consequence; two ships took on bondsmen from the planet who were infected by a bio-engineered plague called [[The Curse of Galedon]]: the ''CSR Mountbatten'', the ''CSR Nestling''. Both ships were destroyed in a [[Trial of Annihilation]], taking place one jump out of the Galedon system. Soon enough, Khan McKenna would learn of a crucial mistake made in identifying the attackers, which had actually been perpetrated by [[Word of Blake]]. The planet [[Dante]], in the Outworlds Alliance, would suffer a similar fate to Galedon, after tracing the treacherous attackers to their true base of operations.<ref name=TWORp40/><ref name=BAp210,211/><ref>''The Wars of Reaving'' p. 42, 43 - "Retribution"</ref><ref>''Blake Ascending'', p. 221 - "Rain of Fire"</ref><ref>''Field Report: Clans'', p. 18</ref><br />
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In [[3070]], the Grand Council would meet to discuss the matter of the Snow Raven's rampage in the Combine. After rebukes from the Khans of Clan Star Adder, saKhan [[Nichole Hoskins]] of the Steel Vipers proposed a [[Trial of Absorption]] against the Ravens which was quickly seconded by Viper Khan [[Brett Andrews]]. The vote failed narrowly, but the Vipers swore that they would get their revenge. The [[Snake Alliance]] met and decided to punish the Ravens themselves, assaulting and eventually seizing many Rave enclaves on [[Bearclaw]], [[Brim]], [[Circe]] and [[Hellgate]]. [[Clan Cloud Cobra]] would even manage to seize the entire Crow Blood Legacy, from the Ravens. After suffering horrific losses, the Snow Ravens finally caught a break when they discovered and reported [[Clan Diamond Shark]] (who had alerted the Grand Council to the Raven's destruction of Galedon in the first place) had been trading Clan technology to the [[Federated Suns]]. Khan McKenna succeeded in her gambit of reporting her findings, as the Star Adders, Cloud Cobras and Steel Vipers shifted their attacks to the Diamond Shark holdings. The Ravens understood what the Snake Alliance was up to, and began gathering a fleet to complete their exodus from the Clan worlds in all haste. The Vipers would return to Lum with the pride of their fleet, the newly commissioned ''Perigard Zalman'', a ''[[Leviathan (Battleship)|Leviathan Prime]]'' Battleship. The huge vessel and its escorts destroyed several warships, while the rest jumped out of the system, forfeiting it to the Steel Vipers. Several weeks later, Snow Raven ships would jump back in, concentrating fire on the ''Perigard Zalman'' in an attempt to demolish the vessel as it was being repaired. This strike would also have little luck, though the almost all of the Viper dropships and roughly three quarters of the Viper Aerospace Fighter forces were destroyed. With this battle the Ravens began their trek to the Outworlds Alliance.<ref>''The Wars of Reaving'', p. 50, 51 - "Raven Absorption"</ref><br />
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===Jihad and Revenge===<br />
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==References==<br />
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==Bibliography==<br />
* ''[[Blake Ascending]]''<br />
* ''[[Field Manual: Updates]]''<br />
* ''[[Field Manual: Warden Clans]]''<br />
* ''[[Field Report: Clans]]''<br />
* ''[[Masters and Minions]]''<br />
* ''[[The Wars of Reaving]]<br />
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[[Category: Clan Characters|McKenna, Lynn]]<br />
[[Category: Clan Snow Raven Characters|McKenna, Lynn]]<br />
[[Category: Khans|McKenna, Lynn]]</div>Neufeldhttps://www.sarna.net/wiki/index.php?title=Storm_Crow_Naval_Pursuit_Star_(Clan_Snow_Raven)&diff=257973Storm Crow Naval Pursuit Star (Clan Snow Raven)2012-06-24T13:26:52Z<p>Neufeld: Added more specifics on who was seen in command at what situation, and added more info about the Storm Crow (warship).</p>
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===Jihad Era===<br />
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The unit participated in the punitive raid on [[Galedon V]] in [[3069]] in revenge of the destruction of the [[Swift Wing Naval Assault Star (Clan Snow Raven)|Swift Wing Naval Assault Star]]. Several ships in the Star caught the Curse of Galedon and had to be destroyed.<ref>''Blake Ascending'', p. 211-212, 227</ref><br />
Initial reports about ships scuttled due to plague includes ''Ark Royal'', ''Storm Crow'' and ''Nestling'', however this seems to have been false information. The real casualties where the ''Mountbatten'', ''Storm Crow'' and ''Nestling''. The ''Storm Crow'' was later salvaged and reentered service. The Star has since then been disbanded, but the three surviving ships does still serve in the Raven touman.<ref>''Blake Ascending'', p. 227</ref><ref>''Field Report: Clans'', p. 18</ref><ref>''The Wars of Reaving'', p. 43, "Scourging the Plague"</ref><br />
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==Officers==<br />
As of [[3061]] the Commanding Officer was [[Star Admiral]] [[Lydia Sukhanov]].<br />
She was still in command in [[3067]]<ref>''Field Manual: Updates'', p. 79</ref> and in [[3069]] during the bombardment of [[Galedon V]].<ref>''Blake Ascending'', p. 212</ref><br />
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As of mid [[3069]] and the voyage home from [[Galedon V]], the commanding officer was Star Admiral [[Troy McKenna]].<ref>''The Wars of Reaving'', p. 43, "Scourging the Plague"</ref><br />
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* ''Mountbatten'' (''[[Texas]]'' class, Flagship)<br />
* ''Kerensky's Hope'' (''[[Cameron]]'' class)<br />
* ''Storm Crow'' (''[[Sovetskii Soyuz]]'' class)<br />
* ''Ark Royal'' (''[[Conqueror]]'' class)<br />
* ''Nestling'' (''[[Carrack]]'' class)<br />
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* ''Mountbatten'' (''[[Texas]]'' class, Flagship)<br />
* ''Kerensky's Hope'' (''[[Cameron]]'' class)<br />
* ''Storm Crow'' (''[[Sovetskii Soyuz]]'' class)<br />
* ''Ark Royal'' (''[[Conqueror]]'' class)<br />
* ''Nestling'' (''[[Carrack]]'' class)<br />
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==Bibliography==<br />
*''[[Blake Ascending]]''<br />
*''[[Field Manual: Updates]]''<br />
*''[[Field Manual: Warden Clans]]''<br />
*''[[Field Report: Clans]]''<br />
*''[[The Wars of Reaving]]''<br />
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[[Category:Clan Snow Raven Commands|Storm Crow Naval Pursuit Star]]</div>Neufeldhttps://www.sarna.net/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Neufeld&diff=257972User talk:Neufeld2012-06-24T13:15:59Z<p>Neufeld: /* Lynn McKenna */ Response to Rebs.</p>
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{{Welcome|Neufeld|Christer Nyfält}}<br />
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== Year pages ==<br />
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Neufeld, can you please hold off on making the changes to those articles. The single division addition you made doesn't match what appears to be where consenus is heading and it will all be undone. Plus, since the policy hasn't even been written yet (since it hasn't been agreed to either), some people are thinking that what you are doing is the final form. I appreciate the drive you're showing, but let us firm up what the page will look like. I'll then write 9hopefully) easy instructions on how to use the code you're experimenting with. It'll be at least seven days from final consensus, but then you'll be free for take off once the policy is released (which will make the main page). Thanks. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 18:24, 19 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
: Ok. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 18:35, 19 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Canon policy ==<br />
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Thank you all your efforts to add info from TRO:3050U to the 'Mech articles. While I appreciate your zeal in adding missing Battle Values to these 'Mechs, information from non-canon sources must be very clearly separate from information from canon sources to reflect the authority that the latter have. I, too, would like to see that information available, but Solaris Skunkworks is not a canon source and so cannot be used for this purpose. Please read [[Policy:Canon]] for more information. --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 23:38, 20 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== All Purpose Award ==<br />
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I know it may seem to be a 'I'll scratch your back, you scratch mine' kinda deal at first look (since you gave me an AP today), I do sincerely feel appreciative for your highlighting of numerous 'articles' that needed killin', err, deleting. For getting into the guts of BTW to weed out the chaff, I present you with the All Purpose ribbon:<br />
:[[File:AP.jpg|All Purpose Award, 1st ribbon]]<br />
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:: Thanks! --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 05:24, 22 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Command Console ==<br />
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Hi Neufeld, hope things are well for you. I had question, since you've been updating or sprucing up the Duel Cockpit. Are you planning to do the [[Command Console]] article too? [[Tactical Operations]] has it in the book as Cockpit Command Console. I'm not up on the old rules, so i'm not sure if the older Command Console rules are similar. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 19:49, 24 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
: I'm right now mostly focusing on how to represent rules, and not the details. (see [[Policy Talk:Canon]]) So, I haven't planned visiting that article right now. Might do some research into later. Haven't got access to older rules. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 19:53, 24 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:: I took a look at the Command Console, and added what I found in TO. Some rules was a bit different to what was in the article, so I marked those sections as OLD:. I'm now finished with that article, until we make some decision on how to represent rules. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 21:04, 24 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Thanks for the assistance, Neufeld. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 01:13, 22 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Tnx==<br />
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Hi, tnx for your help though your afterwork of my articles. My english isn't perfect and you help me to correct my false speaking if necessary. I Read above that you will add some information about the academies from the LAAF. Let us work togehter and expand this project to all academiess. What are you thinking about it? [[User:Neuling|Neuling]] 07:27, 29 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
: I have added what I intended to add. I'm not interested in doing more academies now. The only thing I would like to see added is the academy logos from Handbook: House Steiner. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 12:04, 29 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==3050==<br />
Great job, Neufeld, with [[3050]]. In order to synch up with policy, I made some changes to it. Please take a look. If you and I start everyone off the the same foot, we'll hopefully avoid what happened to the pages previously. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 17:37, 30 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Just read [[3051]]. Great work, again. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 17:41, 30 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Thanks, I hope I got everything. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 17:43, 30 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==3052==<br />
Hy, why you delete the Battle of Luthien from the year page, i think it is a significant date.[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 20:28, 30 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
: The [[Battle of Luthien]] article don't have the date. You add the date there, and I will add it back in [[3052]]. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 20:31, 30 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Reversion ==<br />
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Morning, Neufeld. I agree with your reversion on [[:Category:Burst-Fire Weapons]]. It doesn't appear to be vandalism, but it didn't make much sense. Probably the first attempts by a new Editor, but it was obviously abandoned.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 11:30, 14 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I was wondering if he tried to list mechs with burst-fire weapons. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 13:09, 14 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Random Act of Appreciation Award ==<br />
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Because I haven't given one of these in a while and your name came up. Glad you're contributing, Neufeld.<br />
:[[File:RAA.jpg|Random Act of Appreciation Award, 1st ribbon]] <br />
--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 18:09, 14 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Thanks! --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 18:26, 14 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Battle Value worksheet ==<br />
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Neufeld, please have a look at the template: [[User:Mbear/BVWorksheet]]. Comments welcome.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 14:12, 19 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
: I'll take a look and comment on the talk page. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 16:18, 19 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Thanks ==<br />
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Thanks for taking care of the BV categories. I had planned on doing that when I came back from vacation (now), but now I don't have to! In appreciation, I give you an all-purpose award. [[File:AP 1bol.jpg|All Purpose Award, 2nd ribbon]] --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 23:33, 30 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
: Agreed. Well done. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 01:00, 31 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
:: And thank you for the reward. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 06:48, 31 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Mace redirects ==<br />
As you saw, I have moved Mace to Mace (custom vehicle). However, I reckon we should leave the redirect in place until somebody creates the "real" article for the canonical Mace. If I was the person who had created the original fanon article then I would re-visit my own article, and unless there's a new article in its place moving the fanon away without a redirect might be mistaken for a deletion. For the same reason I reckon there should be a note of some sort on the talk page.<br>Generally, please don't simply blank pages. They should be deleted, or if you can't do that, put in a deletion tag. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 15:35, 31 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
: As I saw it a redirect is more confusing than a blank page. Especially since people would expect to find mace - the weapon following a mace link. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 16:43, 31 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Vandervahn Chistu ==<br />
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Hey Neufeld - Question : I understand the flag you put up only if you intend to put a whole bunch of stuff from the animated series in there. Why is it an issue? [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 23:10, 6 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
: Well, I thought better safe than sorry. Remove it if you thinks its fine without it. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 23:19, 6 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
:: I respect your concerns. All I know is all my sources are canon. If you're concerned about the image, I know there's one pic of him from the JF book and another from the TCG. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 23:29, 6 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Notable pilots: Possible answer ==<br />
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Please review: [[BattleTechWiki_talk:Project_BattleMechs#Notable_Pilots_Sample_page]]. Thanks!--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 14:17, 14 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Clan Khans ==<br />
Hi Neufeld, i was wondering if you would like some help with the Clan Khan profiles? -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 15:27, 22 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
: Well, I'm just adding the very basics from Op:Klondike like clan and birthdate, so feel free to add more stuff. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 15:30, 22 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Battle Armor info question ==<br />
Hello Neufeld, i had question for you. You rightfully informed me of my ignorance about having to put reference information from linked info from the year page. The [[Battle Armor]] page itself is a sort-of out of game info. With no reference section, Are we suppose to put that sort thing in pages like that? I'll be bold do it, but doesn't seem right i guess. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 22:47, 23 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
: I see no problem putting in-game history in the article, on the other hand some people seems to have problems with putting things related to game rules in articles. Be bold about it. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 22:55, 23 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Question==<br />
Hy Neufeld, i don't know if you add the variant content to the [[Nightsky]], yes or no ??, when yes i must say sorry, the source falls under the moratorium. Greetings--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 18:24, 7 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
: No I didn't add it. But it is annoying to see people not knowing about the moratorium getting reverted all the time. It also gives an unfriendly impression. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 18:26, 7 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:: Ok you're right. It was not my intention to give unfriendly impression.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 18:31, 7 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::: It would be better to continue this discussion on the template discussion page. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 18:34, 7 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Clan Widowmaker saKhan Sanders==<br />
Hi Neufeld, i had left out a link to saKhan Sander from Khan Karrige's page due to lack of any information or profile on her. I was to add link when there was something on her. Won't be better not have red-link to something that likely for immeditate future not have a page unless they have some kind of book or something on her? -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 01:15, 13 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
: I feel that it is better to add the link right from the start, otherwise it is likely to be forgotten. Also with a red-link people see that the page is missing right from the beginning, without it they would have to search for the character first. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 06:32, 13 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Award==<br />
Hy Neufeld, nice to see you back after a while, i give you this [[File:RAA_1bol.jpg|Random Act of Appreciation Award, 2nd ribbon]] award, for the documents categorization.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 11:24, 25 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Thanks! However, a part of the honor goes to BrokenMnemonic, since he made me notice the existence of that category. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 11:30, 25 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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==Question==<br />
Hy Neufeld, please take a look on Neulings Variants+Manufacturers talk page, i don't understand this guy, he is on sarna.net over one year and dont follow any policys, please take a look on the Variants...page and give me a response what you think of the page, all the info can add in the various manufacturing center pages, sorry for rough writing.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 21:45, 20 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
: It is a badly formated mess. It is typical of his contributions. I no longer want to deal with his edits, and they are a big reason why I have given up working of the toumans house military pages. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 06:10, 21 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: Hy Neufeld, its suprise me that you use such hard words. I agree that sometimes my work is in some way chaotic but "always a mess" in your opinion , please that is under your niveau. I think the work I put it in the Sarna project is misunderstood. I create many of the mercanery articles and gives them their initial content and rework them later. Many user consider my work with suspicion. I will rethink if it usefull to me and the community to continue the cooperation, because I improved my work over the last months but that is not enougth, I think to meet the standards of the sarna.net. I had ideas but they are worthless, because when I something greated what is not in the common way it is deleted, changed back or merged with other articles. I understand you as admin which have the task to enforce the politics of the community. I'm not angry about you or the other users. Perhaps in the furture it exist a way to show my work at an different place and with the tolerance/acceptance of the community. Thnx for your support. [[User:Neuling|Neuling]] 16:10, 21 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
::: Two hints to avoid annoying people: 1. Do not use tables. 2. Figure out formating before you start adding a lot of info, and experiment either in the sandbox or a userpage (like Mbear added). --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 18:56, 21 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::Oh my god, thanks, you talke this in a view words, what i want to say,...:).--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 19:14, 21 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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==Citations==<br />
Hy Neufeld please can you add citations to the Shin Legion article and other summarys you added, that was very helpfull, thanks, oh and great work to cleanup the DCMS page.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 14:18, 24 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
: I'll see what I can do, since I mostly tweaked and edited information already in existence somewhere on the wiki. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 14:25, 24 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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==Category==<br />
Hy Neufeld, i see your new created militia pages, and i found a failur in the added category, not military --> Lyran Militia Commands is the right category.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 00:39, 22 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
: Ah, OK. Thanks. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 07:31, 22 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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==Lyran Royal Guards==<br />
Hi Neufeld,<br />
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I've been uploading unit logo images from ''[[Historical: Reunification War]]'' and adding them to unit entries. I noticed that you're editing the [[Royal Guards]] - there's now a logo for the [[4th Royal Guards]] if you want to include it in the article when it's done: [[:File:4th_Royal_Guards_2596.png]] [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 19:50, 31 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Well, the under construction is something that has been there for a long time, so I removed it. I also added the logo at the same time. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 23:16, 31 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Steiner dates ==<br />
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Neufeld, you need to pause in your edits. Your semantic code is visible to all and isn't doing what it should be doing for the article. Done properly, the code would not be seen. Please contact [[User talk:Seth|Seth]] before taking any further steps to get guidance on how to update these articles properly. Thanks.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 14:32, 17 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Hy Neufeld you must create at first a Template and Property page, but Revanche talke to you the best way is you contact Seth to help with this.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 14:42, 17 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Take a look how Seth handle this on the following pages [[Template:Red Corsair Timeline]], [[Property:Red Corsair Event]] and see the result on this page [[Red Corsair#Red Corsair Campaign Timeline]], i hope this helps.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 15:01, 17 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::I tried to use the same approach, but could not get it to work. Templates are too hard to use. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 15:04, 17 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::Talk to Seth he help and give you a guidline.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 15:05, 17 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Good job. Appears to be hidden, now.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 12:15, 18 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
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==Semantic wiki==<br />
Hy Neufeld i talk to Seth and he give us this guidline, great stuff, [[BattleTechWiki talk:SemanticMediaWiki]].--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 04:16, 18 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
:I added "display:none;" to the span tag for the template since my phone didn't resize the font to 0. Should be good now. You can see if the properties are added properly by previewing an edit. Properties are displayed as "Facts about this Page".--[[User:Seth|Seth]] 10:24, 18 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
::I also noticed that you haven't defined the properties [[Property:Inherited From]] and [[Property:Name of the Realm]] as either <nowiki>[[Has type::page]] or [[Has type::text]]</nowiki> (depending on what you want)--[[User:Seth|Seth]] 10:30, 18 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::Thanks. I will go and correct that. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 10:32, 18 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
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==Timeline Stuff==<br />
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Errors:<br />
* Victor gets listed from his Archon entry.<br />
:This can be fixed by renaming the properties that define who the FedSuns charts are looking for. For example, instead of it looking for the <nowiki>[[Inherited From::]]</nowiki>, you can have specific properties for each realm like <nowiki>[[FedSuns Inherited From::]]</nowiki> and so on with the rest of the properties. You'll have to create a separate template page for each realm as well since the current template works best with the list of Archons. Once you do those two things, your chart code will look like this:<br />
<pre>{{#ask:[[Category:FedSuns Rulers]]<br />
|?First Prince Reign Began=Reign Began<br />
|?First Prince Reign Ended=Reign Ended<br />
|?First Prince Inherited From=Inherited From<br />
|?First Prince Title=Title<br />
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Adding the "=Reign Began" to the line "|?First Prince Reign Began" ensures that your table still looks like the Archon one.--[[User:Seth|Seth]] 22:36, 21 March 2012 (PDT) <br />
* Presidents lacks the First Princes category.<br />
:You can have your template add a category to all pages you add the template to. So you don't have to have your Semantic Table look for pages in a Category that already exists. If you add <nowiki>"[[Category:FedSuns Rulers]]</nowiki> to your template, any page you add that template to will be listed under the "FedSuns Rulers" category. Then instead of having this line at the top of your table:<br />
<pre>{{#ask:[[Category:First Princes]]</pre><br />
you would have:<br />
<pre>{{#ask:[[Category:FedSuns Rulers]]</pre><br />
This is especially useful for Kathrine Steiner-Davion who was the defacto ruler of the FedSuns for a few years.--[[User:Seth|Seth]] 22:36, 21 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
::I see you have been adding the <nowiki>[[Category:Federated Suns Rulers]]</nowiki> manually to each FedSun's ruler's page. It's not necessary to do that. Simply add it to the "Template:First Prince Timeline" page. Once you do that, any page that you add that template to will automatically add the "<nowiki>[[Category:Federated Suns Rulers]]</nowiki>" tag to the bottom. Must faster that way, trust me.--[[User:Seth|Seth]] 22:50, 22 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::Thanks! Stuff seems to work correctly now. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 00:58, 23 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
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::::Hy Neufeld i see you added at this morning some semantic stuff to the First Princes, but not all members are shown in the timetable?--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 10:17, 24 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::::Well, Alexander is missing since I have not decided how to deal with the regency, and I have not added data for the Succession Wars era rulers.--[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 10:38, 24 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Hey ==<br />
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Neufeld - I want to apologize for some of my past comments to you. I over-reacted to something, but that was no excuse. If you'd like to have a civil discussion about my [[AFFC]] article or anything else, I'd be very appreciative. Thanks. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 22:23, 23 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Apology accepted. As for the various armed forces articles, I do not feel like working on or discussing them right now. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 00:00, 24 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
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==Thanks==<br />
Thanks for taking care of the links on the [[Dianne Sennet]] page as well as the name change. That was a bad one on my part. --[[User:Rebs|Rebs]] 15:28, 26 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== The Battle of New Avalon ==<br />
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Neufeld - I added a citation for McCarel Farm. Its like this: The "First Battle of New Avalon" actually means "First Battle of New Avalon during the Jihad". (There is a reference.) Regarding your FCCW argument, I see your point. Basically, we're talking about five battles:<br />
* First Battle of New Avalon (FCCW): 1st Davion Guards vs. three of Katherine's units<br />
* Second Battle of New Avalon (FCCW) : Victor's task force finally takes Katherine down<br />
* First Battle of New Avalon (Jihad) : 31st Division Attacks<br />
* Second Battle of New Avalon (Jihad) : 31st and 36th Divisions Attack<br />
* Third Battle of New Avalon (Jihad) : 44th Shadow Division leads the 31st and 36th Divisions in an attack<br />
I have suggested that the latter three be consolidated on a single article called [[Battle of New Avalon (Jihad)]], and we should likely do the same for the FCCW. Again, there ARE references, and I have added the citation. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 00:57, 13 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
: Sounds like a good solution. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 01:34, 13 May 2012 (PDT)<br />
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==Lynn McKenna==<br />
Glad you helped out there! I know you are a fan of the [[Raven Alliance]], so if you know of sources and stuff, that would be excellent. Her article will likely be an ongoing project for a few days. It will probably be a long one too, as was the [[Stephen McKenna]] article.--[[User:Rebs|Rebs]] 03:16, 24 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
: Well, I will keep my eyes open if I spot something to add, but it is not like I am good at writing biographies or have some special notes compiled on Raven stuff. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 06:15, 24 June 2012 (PDT)</div>Neufeldhttps://www.sarna.net/wiki/index.php?title=Storm_Crow_Naval_Pursuit_Star_(Clan_Snow_Raven)&diff=257966Storm Crow Naval Pursuit Star (Clan Snow Raven)2012-06-24T12:03:25Z<p>Neufeld: Added comment about the dual commander situation.</p>
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===Jihad Era===<br />
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The unit participated in the punitive raid on [[Galedon V]] in [[3069]] in revenge of the destruction of the [[Swift Wing Naval Assault Star (Clan Snow Raven)|Swift Wing Naval Assault Star]]. Several ships in the Star caught the Curse of Galedon and had to be destroyed.<ref>''Blake Ascending'', p. 211-212, 227</ref><br />
Initial reports about ships scuttled due to plague includes ''Ark Royal'', ''Storm Crow'' and ''Nestling'', however this seems to have been false information. The real casualties where the ''Mountbatten'' and ''Nestling''. The Star has since then been disbanded, but the three surviving ships does still serve in the Raven touman.<ref>''Blake Ascending'', p. 227</ref><ref>''Field Report: Clans'', p. 18</ref><br />
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==Officers==<br />
As of [[3061]] the Commanding Officer was [[Star Admiral]] [[Lydia Sukhanov]].<br />
She was still in command in [[3067]]<ref>''Field Manual: Updates'', p. 79</ref> and [[3069]].<ref>''Blake Ascending'', p. 212</ref><br />
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As of mid [[3069]] and the destruction of [[Galedon V]], the commanding officer was Star Admiral [[Troy McKenna]].<ref>''The Wars of Reaving'', p. 43, "Scourging the Plague"</ref><br />
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* Note: There seems a conflict regarding who was in command in 3069, but the most likely explanation is that Sukhahov commanded from the Mountbatten, and died on it, while McKenna took over to deal with the plague.<br />
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==Tactics==<br />
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===3061===<br />
* ''Mountbatten'' (''[[Texas]]'' class, Flagship)<br />
* ''Kerensky's Hope'' (''[[Cameron]]'' class)<br />
* ''Storm Crow'' (''[[Sovetskii Soyuz]]'' class)<br />
* ''Ark Royal'' (''[[Conqueror]]'' class)<br />
* ''Nestling'' (''[[Carrack]]'' class)<br />
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===3067<ref>''Field Manual: Updates'', p. 64</ref>===<br />
* ''Mountbatten'' (''[[Texas]]'' class, Flagship)<br />
* ''Kerensky's Hope'' (''[[Cameron]]'' class)<br />
* ''Storm Crow'' (''[[Sovetskii Soyuz]]'' class)<br />
* ''Ark Royal'' (''[[Conqueror]]'' class)<br />
* ''Nestling'' (''[[Carrack]]'' class)<br />
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*''[[Blake Ascending]]''<br />
*''[[Field Manual: Updates]]''<br />
*''[[Field Manual: Warden Clans]]''<br />
*''[[Field Report: Clans]]''<br />
*''[[The Wars of Reaving]]''<br />
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[[Category:Clan Snow Raven Commands|Storm Crow Naval Pursuit Star]]</div>Neufeldhttps://www.sarna.net/wiki/index.php?title=Help:Template_gallery&diff=257947Help:Template gallery2012-06-24T08:47:10Z<p>Neufeld: I had trouble finding the Merge template, so I added it here.</p>
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Uni MilitiaMech - A field refit used on Bucklands during the Jade Falcon Incursion, the Uni MilitiaMech carried a pair of Autocannon/5s and SRM-4 launchers. A single ton of ammunition was provided for each weapon type, and an extra heat sink kept the heat under control. Despite these modifications, the Jade Falcon warriors quickly destroyed these 'Mechs because they continued to use Commercial Armor. BV (2.0) = 736 <ref>'Operational Turning Points: Falcon Incursion'', p. 30</ref><br />
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'''Clan Snow Raven''' was founded by [[Stephen McKenna]] (a distant relative of the famous [[James McKenna]] who hailed from the [[Terran Hegemony]]).<ref>''The Star League'', p. 12, "James McKenna"</ref> The Snow Ravens are a complicated [[Clan]] that have taken a unique path, due to several catastrophes in their early history. Famed for their heavy use of naval assets, as well as their conniving and efficient nature, the Snow Raven Clan, despite being mistrusted and misunderstood by other Clans, has risen to power as one of the more powerful Clans in the past decade.<ref name=H:OKp115,116>''Historical: Operation Klondike'', p. 115, 116 - "Stephen McKenna Profile"</ref><br />
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[[Nicholas Kerensky]] decreed that the remaining 800 warriors loyal to him be divided into twenty 'clans.' Each clan, consisting of forty warriors would emulate a beast endemic to the [[Kerensky Cluster]]. In his wisdom, the warriors under [[Stephen McKenna]] were designated to embody the attributes of the snow raven, a snow-white bird common to the harsh tundra flats of [[Strana Mechty]]. Snow ravens are known to never waste anything, picking the bones of a carcass clean and then eating the bones as well. Snow ravens were also documented to co-operate with other animals, such as the introduced Terran wolf or the ghost bear, often sharing a kill. Like many other Clans, the Snow Ravens have followed their totem to a fault, often to the extent of ridicule. Indeed, Snow Ravens of all castes are often known to be conniving, cold, and more humorously, extremely garrulous to the point of being more verbose than even those of the [[Clan Ice Hellion|Ice Hellion Clan]]; moreover, Snow Ravens are unable to keep secrets of great purport. Members are colloquially referred to as 'the Unkindness,' the word used for a gathering of greater corvids.<ref name=H:OKp115,116/><ref>''Field Manual: Warden Clans'', p. 118 - "Clan Snow Raven"</ref><ref name=FM:WCp118,119>''Field Manual: Warden Clans'', p. 118, 119 - "Looking Into the Abyss"(2784 - 2785)</ref><br />
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===The Birth of Clan Snow Raven===<br />
For the past several centuries, it has been more famine than feast for the Snow Ravens. Very early in their history the Snow Ravens were struck down by fate. During [[Operation Klondike]], the struggle to reclaim the [[Pentagon Worlds]], the Snow Ravens lost almost half their ground units to enemy forces, and, although in the end the Ravens were victorious, the Raven touman, particularly its [['Mech]] forces, were severely diminished. Khan McKenna sought ways to increase the strength of his touman, and found his answer in the many caches of [[Star League]] equipment stored in various places in the Pentagon Worlds. At the time, other [[Clans]] were scrambling madly for equipment out of caches as well, thus it was impractical for an already weak Clan face other, stronger Clans in this matter. Khan [[Stephen McKenna]], a naval commander during the [[Amaris Civil War|Amaris Crisis]] and during the [[Exodus]], suggested the Clan's warriors stage trials of possession for [[WarShip]]s, which were less sought after--- other Clans sought after 'Mechs and the WarShips ran against the warrior ethos of the nascent [[Clans]]. Before the other Clans could react, the Snow Ravens fielded a considerable naval force as well as gaining a stranglehold on almost all naval shipyards in Clan space.<ref name=H:OKp115,116/><ref name=FM:WCp118,119/><br />
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This did not prevent the Ravens from still requiring an adequate ground force and they soon found themselves in conflict over the possession of a cache with the [[Clan Wolverine|Wolverine]] Clan on the planet [[Circe]].<ref>''Historical: Operation Klondike'', p. 71 - ''Primary Forces Committed to Circe''</ref> The Wolverines and the Snow Ravens bore much enmity towards each other since [[Operation Klondike]]: the Wolverine saKhan, [[Franklin Hallis]] was attracted to Raven saKhan, [[Joyce Merrell]], however Merrill did not requite Hallis' affections and the Wolverines had moved to destroy Raven interests ever since. This cache of 'Mechs once belonged to the unit with which the Wolverine Khan, [[Sarah McEvedy]], had served; however the actual cache resided in Raven territory. Thus, the matter was brought before the Clan Council to be resolved. However, when the Ravens were awarded the rights to the cache, the Wolverine Clan, (who recently become very discontented with Clan society) declared their independence from the Clans. The Snow Ravens, already aware the Wolverines were massing on their borders, moved to attack. The Wolverines fought intensely and the Snow Ravens were beaten back to their capital, [[Dehra Dun]], and finally repulsed from there as well. The Wolverines emptied the city of all civilians and detonated a low-level nuclear warhead, destroying the primary genetic repository. This resulted in a Trial of Annihilation declared against Clan Wolverine, by Clans [[Clan Wolf|Wolf]] and [[Clan Widowmaker|Widowmaker]]. Following the destruction of the majority of Wolverine Clan (now known as the Not-Named Clan), the Ravens were again heavily decimated, and [[Clan Mongoose]] began to quietly ask for a Raven absorption. The Ravens were not deterred by this; they moved their capital to the planet of [[Lum]] and tried to rebuild their shattered Clan once again.<ref name=H:OKp115,116/><ref name=FM:WCp118,119/><ref name=FM:WCp120>''Field Manual: Warden Clans'', p. 120 - ''Legacy of War, personal journals of Khan Stephen McKenna''</ref><br />
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On [[Lum]], the Ravens gained many of the attributes they are renowned for today. Superb political manipulators, the clan banded together their bloodlines to form 'families.' Conflicts between families, unlike that constant infighting that plagues the [[Clan Fire Mandrill |Fire Mandrill Clan]], has only made the Snow Ravens stronger. In addition to this, the Ravens were also efficient users of raw materials, breeding a naval phenotype, unique among the [[Clans]], to staff Raven [[WarShip]] fleets. The Raven Clan moved silently through Clan society, quietly rebuilding themselves.<ref name=H:OKp115,116/><ref name=FM:WCp118,119/><br />
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In the 2850's, the Ravens came across an inhospitable world, aptly named [[Hellgate]], that was rich with natural resources. When the Ravens moved to colonize this world, the [[Clan Steel Viper|Steel Vipers]] staged a trial of possession for the planet's agrodomes, and, although the Ravens fought hard, without food the Clan was forced to relinquish control to the Vipers within several years. The Vipers continued to prey upon the Ravens and they perpetuate a feud to this day.<ref name=FM:WCp119,120>''Field Manual: Warden Clans'', p. 119, 120 - "Clan Snow Raven, Absolute Power (2825 - 2976)"</ref> <br />
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Raven activities were fairly quiet for more than a century, until a Raven khan revealed [[Clan Cloud Cobra]] ilKhan [[Tobias Khatib]]'s complicity in the murder of the previous ilKhan. The Ravens found themselves in the forefront of Clan society again, when Khan [[Liam Howell]] revealed that it was he who had instructed Snow Raven scientists to introduce a genetically-recumbent great white shark into the oceans of [[Strana Mechty]]. Khan Howell despised the [[Clan Sea Fox]] for thwarting his attempts to gain territory on the world of [[Priori]], and subsequently unleashed these 'diamond sharks' for the expressed purpose of wiping out the Sea Fox totem animal. The Raven saKhan, [[Niamh Sukhanov]], furious at his superior's machinations, declared a trial of grievance, killing Khan Howells and then assuming the seat of Khanship. Nonetheless, the Sea Foxes were furious, and their anger only abated when the Snow Raven Khan envoked the rite of ''surkireide''.<ref name=FM:WCp119,120/><ref name=ED:GCp10>''Era Digest: Golden Century'', p. 10 - ''Early Clan History: A Comparative Timeline, Cont.''</ref><ref name=FM:WCp120>''Field Manual: Warden Clans'', p. 120 - "Trials and Tribulations" (2977 - 3047)</ref> <br />
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===The Political Century and Operation Revival===<br />
In stark contrast to the peace that the so-called 'Golden Century' granted, the following era, the [[Political Century]] would be racked with turmoil. The requisite three generations that Kerensky had mandated for the [[Clans]] to finally return to the [[Inner Sphere]] had long since past and many in Clan society called for change. Nascent ideological rifts began to grow, eventually coalescing into the [[Crusader Clans|Crusader]] philosophy, which wanted to return to the Inner Sphere and reinstate the [[Star League]], and the [[Warden Clans|Warden]] philosophy, whose adherents felt the [[Clans]] were still not ready to return. Interpreting both these ideologies as false, '''Clan Snow Raven''' chose to follow neither path. They chose the best of both worlds: the Crusaders' drive, and the Wardens' patience, and have done so to great effect. Moreover, the Snow Ravens - as a politically 'neutral' Clan - could contract their services to either a Crusader or Warden Clan with minimal difficulty. Near the middle of the Political Century in [[2979]], Snow Raven Khan [[Ewan McCorkell]] would would strike a bargain with [[Clan Blood Spirit]], trading a Galaxy of second line BattleMechs for three of the Blood Spirits WarShips. He would execute this deal after pondering the future and realizing Snow Ravens would destroy themselves attempting to unseat one of the dominant Clans. He opted for the long road, setting his Clan up to be a primary provider transport and cargo escort services to the distant edge of the Inner Sphere, while also cultivating an alliance for his Clan with a highly reclusive Clan that shared a mutual respect. All of these decisions would prove to be very prudent choices when, fifty years later, the calls for invasion were answered.<ref name=FM:WCp120/><ref name=ED:GCp10/> <br />
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For half a century the Ravens were quiet, until the ''[[Outbound Light]]'' brought about the call for invasion of the [[Inner Sphere]]. [[Clan Coyote]], who had lost much territory in the last few decades, sought to bring glory and prestige to their Clan by attacking the Snow Ravens. While the Coyotes wielded considerable forces, the Ravens fought with equal force and both sides were bloodied bad enough that neither Clan was strong enough to participate in the trials determining a slot in the invasion force. This worked out in the Raven's favor anyway, for Khan [[Lynn McKenna]] was able to negotiate a contract with the Jade Falcons that loaned out two stars of [[WarShip]]s, in exchange for resources from the Inner Sphere, and most importantly, the world of [[Hellgate]] (which the Falcons had recently taken from the Vipers). This arrangement allowed the Ravens to regain their strength lost through the failed Coyote attack, as well as thumb their nose at the Vipers. This arrangement with the Falcons did not last for long, for they and the Crusader Wolves initiated the [[Harvest Trials]] in [[3058]], wherein two entire clusters were taken by the Jade Falcons. Relations with that Clan cooled, although are normalizing again (even after the 'McKenna Bloodhouse Incident' when the Jade Falcon Clan meddled with Snow Raven bloodhouse affairs).<br />
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===The Great Refusal===<br />
One of the greatest feats of the Snow Ravens in recent years has been the completion of the largest [[WarShip]] ever constructed, the ''[[Leviathan]]''. The [[Clan Ghost Bear|Ghost Bears]], the Snow Ravens' longtime ally, requested the assistance in building a WarShip so powerful that it could handle an entire naval star by itself. The Ravens managed to deliver, but the project failed to be completed in time for the Bear's move to the [[Inner Sphere]]. The ''Leviathan'' served as valuable cargo vessel, ferrying millions of Clan civilians to their new home. When the Ghost Bears finally left, they gifted the world of [[Bearclaw]] to the Ravens in thanks, although the [[Clan Hell's Horses |Hell's Horses Clan]] landed just as the Bears were leaving and the Ravens have failed to oust them fully, so far. The Snow Ravens have gained territory elsewhere as well, in the wake of Smoke Jaguar Annihilation the Ravens gained much of the planet of [[Circe]], as well as a portion of [[Homer]] (although they were eventually forced off that world by superior numbers of [[Clan Steel Viper|Steel Vipers]]). The Snow Ravens also assisted in the withdrawal of [[Clan Nova Cat]] forces, which allowed the Ravens to obtain the Abjured Clan's territory with minimal conflict.<br />
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===Territory Wars===<br />
Post-[[3060]], the Ravens began to see the limitations of their recent gains, and decided to send an expeditiary force to the [[Inner Sphere]]. While scouting the near-[[Periphery]], the Snow Raven force stumbled upon an [[Outworlds Alliance]] [[JumpShip]] and staged a trial of possession for it, offering a [[Titan]] class [[DropShip]] as collateral. Surprisingly, the Snow Ravens were beaten by the Alliance pilots. Greatly impressed, they offering their hand in friendship and eventually formalized a make-shift alliance that has allowed Snow Raven vessels to use Outworlds recharge stations, in exchange for refurbishing an old [[Star League]]-era naval base at [[Quatre Belle]]. The Snow Ravens also helped the Alliance develop its own [[OmniFighter]], the [[Corax]] (named in honor of the Ravens).<br />
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===Treachery at Kanzaka===<br />
The [[Inner Sphere]] seemed like a very hospitable place for the Snow Ravens until the [[Draconis Combine]] blew up a Snow Raven vessel attempting to recharge at one of their stations (which the Ravens won the right to by trial). The lost vessel was none other than the ''[[Sovetskii Soyuz#Named Vessels|White Cloud]]'', which once won the [[2736]] [[Martial Olympiad]]. The Ravens took several pirate worlds, [[Rezak's Hole]] and [[Farstar]], which they used for harassing Kuritan interests to the best of their ability.<br />
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===The Assault on Lum===<br />
However, true revenge had to wait, for the Raven's homeworld of [[Lum]] was being assaulted. The [[Clan Steel Viper|Steel Viper Clan]], ejected from the [[Inner Sphere]] by the [[Clan Jade Falcon|Jade Falcons]], sought to take revenge on their most hated foe, the Snow Ravens. Several frontline galaxies were deployed on [[Lum]], and, for a time, it seemed the Vipers would be victorious. Eventually the Snow Ravens turned the tide of battle and drove the Vipers off-planet. The final battle involved naval elements and resulted in the destruction of the Viper vessel ''Pit Viper''. Several Raven vessels were damaged, but none destroyed.<br />
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===The Jihad and Beyond===<br />
With the Viper threat diminshed, the Ravens could now concentrate on the [[Draconis Combine]]. The [[Jihad]] waged by the [[Word of Blake]] was savaging the [[Inner Sphere]], and it was the perfect time to exact revenge upon the weakened Kuritan forces. The Ravens used the depleted [[Swift Wing Naval Assault Star (Clan Snow Raven)|Swift Wing Naval Assault Star]] to raid the worlds of [[Enif]], [[Tabayama]], and [[Galedon V]],<ref name="J:FRp45">''Jihad: Final Reckoning'', p. 45, "The Jihad In Review"</ref> destroying a Kuritan [[Kyushu]] class vessel in the latter engagement. <br />
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The depleted Swift Wing Naval Assault Star was destroyed on the 5th of January [[3069]]; the Star was resupplying in the [[Ramora]] system when terrorists, either funded by the [[Word of Blake]] or Blakist operatives in disguise, used Draconis Combine vessels and tactics to destroy the Raven WarShips.<ref name="J:FRp46">''Jihad: Final Reckoning'', p. 46, "The Jihad In Review"</ref> The Snow Ravens responded to the destruction of the Star by going on the offensive against the Combine in May 3069, seizing the border worlds of [[Budingen]], [[Goubellat]], [[Schirmeck]], [[Valentina]] and [[Weisau]] from the Combine. This was followed by the arrival of a naval Star in the Galedon system on the 1st of June and the orbital bombardment of a number of military installations on the surface of [[Galedon V]]. The Snow Ravens gave the Galedon civilian castes one week to leave the planet; on the 16th of June the Snow Ravens followed their initial bombardment with a much longer bombardment of the planet's surface, targetting every city on the world in turn. The damage wrought on Galedon's population quickly outgrew that of the infamous [[Kentares Massacre]] and saw the planetary administration on Galedron collapse, along with the bulk of the planet's centralised transport and planetary controls. Even as the Snow Ravens captured 30,000 escaping Galedonians and declared them to be ''[[isorla]]'', a plague on the planet which had broken out during battles between [[AFFS]] and DCMS forces earlier in the year reached epidemic proportions, spreading among the survivors of the bombardment.<ref name="J:FRp47">''Jihad: Final Reckoning'', p. 47, "The Jihad In Review"</ref><br />
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As the Snow Raven forces travelled back to Outworlds Alliance space cases of the plague from Galedon broke out on three of the five WarShips, prompting the forced scuttling of several vessels after a battle in an unnamed Combine system as the Snow Ravens tried to control the plague, which had presumably arrived on their ships via some of the civilians taken prisoner.<ref name="J:FRp47"/><br />
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When reports linking terrorist cells apparently operating from the Alliance world of Dante with the [[Word of Blake]] were confirmed in September 3069 the Snow Ravens lay siege to Dante for a week, alongside units from the [[Alliance Military Corps]]. The approach taken on Dante was considered heavy-handed by a number of Alliance worlds and provoked a political crisis for [[Mitchell Avellar]] when secessionist sentiments rose sharply on a number of Alliance worlds in response.<ref name="J:FRp47">''Jihad: Final Reckoning'', p. 47, "The Jihad In Review"</ref><br />
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In late February [[3075]], diplomats from the [[Federated Suns]] travelled to [[Outworlds Alliance]] space to negotiate with the Snow Ravens. As well as a peace settlement, the negotiators hoped to arrange for the release of captured personnel from the [[3rd Crucis Lancers]] and for the Snow Ravens to contribute aid to the coalition assembled by [[Devlin Stone]]. While the negotiations did result in assurances from the Snow Ravens that they wouldn't strike at the Federated Suns again unless provoked, the Clan refused to contribute to the allied coalition and claimed all of the captured [[AFFS]] personnel as ''isorla''.<ref name="JHS:Tp14+">''Jihad Hot Spots: Terra'', p. 14-15, "Timeline of the Jihad"</ref><ref name="J:FRp53">''Jihad: Final Reckoning'', p. 53, "The Jihad In Review"</ref><br />
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In early November [[3075]] [[Clan Ghost Bear]] sent a delegation led by [[Aletha Kabrinski]] to meet with the Snow Ravens in a bid to negotiate for the Snow Ravens to commit to supporting the coalition, the Ghost Bears having recently agreed to support the coalition themselves. By mid-December these negotiations had been successful and the Ghost Bears were able to launch a second assault on the contested world of Ascella with the assistance of supporting forces from the Snow Ravens.<ref name="JHS:Tp19">''Jihad Hot Spots: Terra'', p. 19, "Timeline of the Jihad"</ref><ref name="J:FRp55">''Jihad: Final Reckoning'', p. 55, "The Jihad In Review"</ref> The Snow Ravens dispatched two naval stars to join the coalition on the 16th of February, with the Snow Raven ships escorting the returning Ghost Bears delegation.<ref name="J:FRp55"/><ref name="JHS:Tp20">''Jihad Hot Spots: Terra'', p. 20, "Timeline of the Jihad"</ref><br />
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The combined Ghost Bear and Snow Raven forces launched a number of major assaults in July and September 3076, with the first wave in July striking at the Protectorate worlds of [[Dyev]], [[Kervil]], [[Ko]], [[Lambrecht]], [[Moore]] and [[Sabik]], followed by a second wave in September that expanded the the combined Clan front against the Protectorate by striking at [[Lyons]], [[Pike IV]] and [[Skandia]].<ref name="JHS:Tp22">''Jihad Hot Spots: Terra'', p. 22, "Timeline of the Jihad"</ref><ref name="J:FRp56">''Jihad: Final Reckoning'', p. 56, "The Jihad In Review"</ref><br />
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Post-Jihad, the Snow Ravens are known to merge with the [[Outworlds Alliance]] government, forming the [[Raven Alliance]], although exact information surrounding this remains unknown.<br />
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==Touman==<br />
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See [[Clan Snow Raven Touman]].<br />
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==Rulers==<br />
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===Khans===<br />
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* [[Stephen McKenna]], [[2807]] - ????<ref>''Historical: Operation Klondike'', p. 71</ref><br />
* [[Ewan McCorkell]], ???? - [[2982]]<ref>''Field Manual: Warden Clans'', p. 120</ref><br />
* [[Liam Howell]], ???? - ????<ref>''Field Manual: Warden Clans'', p. 120</ref><br />
* [[Niamh Sukhanov]], ???? - ????<ref>''Field Manual: Warden Clans'', p. 120</ref><br />
* [[Lynn McKenna]], ???? - [[3080]]<ref>''The Wars of Reaving'', p. 179</ref><br />
* [[Alberto Crow]], 308? - Current<ref>''The Wars of Reaving'', p. 178, 179</ref><ref>''Field Manual: 3085, p. 128</ref><br />
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===saKhans===<br />
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* [[Joyce Merrell]], [[2807]] - ????<ref>''Historical: Operation Klondike'', p. 71</ref><br />
* [[Niamh Sukhanov]], ???? - ????<ref>''Field Manual: Warden Clans'', p. 120</ref><br />
* [[Joseph Crow]], ???? - ????<ref>''Field Manual: Warden Clans'', p. 121</ref><br />
* [[Bryn Cooper]], ???? - 3065<ref>''Field Manual: Warden Clans'', p. 127</ref>,<ref>''Field Manual: Updates'', p.65</ref><br />
* [[Broderick Sukhanov]], 3065 - 307? (It is hard to figure out when he died, since in some places it is implied that he died in March 3071, but then he also shows up alive in December 3071.)<ref>''Masters and Minions: The Starcorps Dossiers'', p.160</ref>, <ref>''Jihad Hot Spots: 3072'', p.21-22, 51</ref><br />
* [[Alberto Crow]], 307? - 308?<ref>''Masters and Minions: The Starcorps Dossiers'', p.159-160</ref><ref>''The Wars of Reaving'', p. 178, 179</ref><br />
* [[Thorsten Magnus]], 308? - Current (or Thorston Magnus, the spelling seems to vary.)<ref>''The Wars of Reaving'', p. 178</ref><ref>''Field Manual: 3085, p. 128</ref><br />
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==Old obsolete info==<br />
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'''Snow Raven Demographics''' <br /><br />
Affiliation: Warden (nominal) <br /><br />
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'''Clan Space Worlds:''' <br /><br />
Bearclaw (70 percent) <br /><br />
Brim (19 percent) <br /><br />
Circe (70 percent) <br /><br />
Hellgate (100 percent) <br /><br />
Lum (82 percent) <br /><br />
Capital: Lum <br /><br />
Population (Clan Space): 94,199,000 (3060) <br /><br />
Population growth rate: 2.2 percent (49/27) <br /><br />
Self-Sufficiency Index: 96 percent <br /><br />
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'''Leaders:''' <br /><br />
Khan: Lynn Mckenna <br /><br />
saKhan: Bryn Cooper <br /><br />
Loremaster: Klaus Harper <br /><br />
Scientist-Gneral: Charlotte (von Braun) <br /><br />
Merchant Factor: Louis <br /><br />
Master Technician: Mattias <br /><br />
Senior Laborer: Emili <br /><br />
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'''Military:''' <br /><br />
Clusters: 26 <br /><br />
WarShips: 40 <br /><br />
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==Manufacturing Center==<br />
A detailed list of some Snow Raven manufacturer and companie centers.<br />
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===Heavy Aerospace Industry<ref>''Strategic Operations'', p. 17</ref>===<br />
====3067====<br />
* [[Lum Shipyards]]<br />
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== Related external links to non-source sites ==<br />
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* ''[https://sites.google.com/site/lumsflyingtigers/ Clan Snow Raven fansite]''<br />
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== References ==<br />
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==Bibliography==<br />
* ''[[Era Digest: Golden Century]]''<br />
* ''[[Field Manual: Warden Clans]]''<br />
* ''[[Field Manual: Updates]]''<br />
* ''[[Field Manual: 3085]]''<br />
* ''[[Historical: Operation Klondike]]''<br />
* ''[[Jihad: Final Reckoning]]''<br />
* ''[[Jihad Hot Spots: 3072]]''<br />
* ''[[Jihad Hot Spots: Terra]]''<br />
* ''[[Masters and Minions: The StarCorps Dossiers]]''<br />
* ''[[Strategic Operations]]''<br />
* ''[[The Star League]]''<br />
* ''[[The Wars of Reaving]]''<br />
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'''Clan Snow Raven''' was founded by [[Stephen McKenna]] (a distant relative of the famous [[James McKenna]] who hailed from the [[Terran Hegemony]]).<ref>''The Star League'', p. 12, "James McKenna"</ref> The Snow Ravens are a complicated [[Clan]] that have taken a unique path, due to several catastrophes in their early history. Famed for their heavy use of naval assets, as well as their conniving and efficient nature, the Snow Raven Clan, despite being mistrusted and misunderstood by other Clans, has risen to power as one of the more powerful Clans in the past decade.<ref name=H:OKp115,116>''Historical: Operation Klondike'', p. 115, 116 - "Stephen McKenna Profile"</ref><br />
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==History==<br />
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===Snow Raven Totem===<br />
[[Nicholas Kerensky]] decreed that the remaining 800 warriors loyal to him be divided into twenty 'clans.' Each clan, consisting of forty warriors would emulate a beast endemic to the [[Kerensky Cluster]]. In his wisdom, the warriors under [[Stephen McKenna]] were designated to embody the attributes of the snow raven, a snow-white bird common to the harsh tundra flats of [[Strana Mechty]]. Snow ravens are known to never waste anything, picking the bones of a carcass clean and then eating the bones as well. Snow ravens were also documented to co-operate with other animals, such as the introduced Terran wolf or the ghost bear, often sharing a kill. Like many other Clans, the Snow Ravens have followed their totem to a fault, often to the extent of ridicule. Indeed, Snow Ravens of all castes are often known to be conniving, cold, and more humorously, extremely garrulous to the point of being more verbose than even those of the [[Clan Ice Hellion|Ice Hellion Clan]]; moreover, Snow Ravens are unable to keep secrets of great purport. Members are colloquially referred to as 'the Unkindness,' the word used for a gathering of greater corvids.<ref name=H:OKp115,116/><ref>''Field Manual: Warden Clans'', p. 118 - "Clan Snow Raven"</ref><ref name=FM:WCp118,119>''Field Manual: Warden Clans'', p. 118, 119 - "Looking Into the Abyss"(2784 - 2785)</ref><br />
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===The Birth of Clan Snow Raven===<br />
For the past several centuries, it has been more famine than feast for the Snow Ravens. Very early in their history the Snow Ravens were struck down by fate. During [[Operation Klondike]], the struggle to reclaim the [[Pentagon Worlds]], the Snow Ravens lost almost half their ground units to enemy forces, and, although in the end the Ravens were victorious, the Raven touman, particularly its [['Mech]] forces, were severely diminished. Khan McKenna sought ways to increase the strength of his touman, and found his answer in the many caches of [[Star League]] equipment stored in various places in the Pentagon Worlds. At the time, other [[Clans]] were scrambling madly for equipment out of caches as well, thus it was impractical for an already weak Clan face other, stronger Clans in this matter. Khan [[Stephen McKenna]], a naval commander during the [[Amaris Civil War|Amaris Crisis]] and during the [[Exodus]], suggested the Clan's warriors stage trials of possession for [[WarShip]]s, which were less sought after--- other Clans sought after 'Mechs and the WarShips ran against the warrior ethos of the nascent [[Clans]]. Before the other Clans could react, the Snow Ravens fielded a considerable naval force as well as gaining a stranglehold on almost all naval shipyards in Clan space.<ref name=H:OKp115,116/><ref name=FM:WCp118,119/><br />
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===Aftermath of Operation Klondike===<br />
This did not prevent the Ravens from still requiring an adequate ground force and they soon found themselves in conflict over the possession of a cache with the [[Clan Wolverine|Wolverine]] Clan on the planet [[Circe]].<ref>''Historical: Operation Klondike'', p. 71 - ''Primary Forces Committed to Circe''</ref> The Wolverines and the Snow Ravens bore much enmity towards each other since [[Operation Klondike]]: the Wolverine saKhan, [[Franklin Hallis]] was attracted to Raven saKhan, [[Joyce Merrell]], however Merrill did not requite Hallis' affections and the Wolverines had moved to destroy Raven interests ever since. This cache of 'Mechs once belonged to the unit with which the Wolverine Khan, [[Sarah McEvedy]], had served; however the actual cache resided in Raven territory. Thus, the matter was brought before the Clan Council to be resolved. However, when the Ravens were awarded the rights to the cache, the Wolverine Clan, (who recently become very discontented with Clan society) declared their independence from the Clans. The Snow Ravens, already aware the Wolverines were massing on their borders, moved to attack. The Wolverines fought intensely and the Snow Ravens were beaten back to their capital, [[Dehra Dun]], and finally repulsed from there as well. The Wolverines emptied the city of all civilians and detonated a low-level nuclear warhead, destroying the primary genetic repository. This resulted in a Trial of Annihilation declared against Clan Wolverine, by Clans [[Clan Wolf|Wolf]] and [[Clan Widowmaker|Widowmaker]]. Following the destruction of the majority of Wolverine Clan (now known as the Not-Named Clan), the Ravens were again heavily decimated, and [[Clan Mongoose]] began to quietly ask for a Raven absorption. The Ravens were not deterred by this; they moved their capital to the planet of [[Lum]] and tried to rebuild their shattered Clan once again.<ref name=H:OKp115,116/><ref name=FM:WCp118,119/><ref name=FM:WCp120>''Field Manual: Warden Clans'', p. 120 - ''Legacy of War, personal journals of Khan Stephen McKenna''</ref><br />
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===The Golden Century===<br />
On [[Lum]], the Ravens gained many of the attributes they are renowned for today. Superb political manipulators, the clan banded together their bloodlines to form 'families.' Conflicts between families, unlike that constant infighting that plagues the [[Clan Fire Mandrill |Fire Mandrill Clan]], has only made the Snow Ravens stronger. In addition to this, the Ravens were also efficient users of raw materials, breeding a naval phenotype, unique among the [[Clans]], to staff Raven [[WarShip]] fleets. The Raven Clan moved silently through Clan society, quietly rebuilding themselves.<ref name=H:OKp115,116/><ref name=FM:WCp118,119/><br />
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In the 2850's, the Ravens came across an inhospitable world, aptly named [[Hellgate]], that was rich with natural resources. When the Ravens moved to colonize this world, the [[Clan Steel Viper|Steel Vipers]] staged a trial of possession for the planet's agrodomes, and, although the Ravens fought hard, without food the Clan was forced to relinquish control to the Vipers within several years. The Vipers continued to prey upon the Ravens and they perpetuate a feud to this day.<ref name=FM:WCp119,120>''Field Manual: Warden Clans'', p. 119, 120 - "Clan Snow Raven, Absolute Power (2825 - 2976)"</ref> <br />
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Raven activities were fairly quiet for more than a century, until a Raven khan revealed [[Clan Cloud Cobra]] ilKhan [[Tobias Khatib]]'s complicity in the murder of the previous ilKhan. The Ravens found themselves in the forefront of Clan society again, when Khan [[Liam Howell]] revealed that it was he who had instructed Snow Raven scientists to introduce a genetically-recumbent great white shark into the oceans of [[Strana Mechty]]. Khan Howell despised the [[Clan Sea Fox]] for thwarting his attempts to gain territory on the world of [[Priori]], and subsequently unleashed these 'diamond sharks' for the expressed purpose of wiping out the Sea Fox totem animal. The Raven saKhan, [[Niamh Sukhanov]], furious at his superior's machinations, declared a trial of grievance, killing Khan Howells and then assuming the seat of Khanship. Nonetheless, the Sea Foxes were furious, and their anger only abated when the Snow Raven Khan envoked the rite of ''surkireide''.<ref name=FM:WCp119,120/><ref name=ED:GCp10>''Era Digest: Golden Century'', p. 10 - ''Early Clan History: A Comparative Timeline, Cont.''</ref><ref name=FM:WCp120>''Field Manual: Warden Clans'', p. 120 - "Trials and Tribulations" (2977 - 3047)</ref> <br />
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===The Political Century and Operation Revival===<br />
In stark contrast to the peace that the so-called 'Golden Century' granted, the following era, the [[Political Century]] would be racked with turmoil. The requisite three generations that Kerensky had mandated for the [[Clans]] to finally return to the [[Inner Sphere]] had long since past and many in Clan society called for change. Nascent ideological rifts began to grow, eventually coalescing into the [[Crusader Clans|Crusader]] philosophy, which wanted to return to the Inner Sphere and reinstate the [[Star League]], and the [[Warden Clans|Warden]] philosophy, whose adherents felt the [[Clans]] were still not ready to return. Interpreting both these ideologies as false, '''Clan Snow Raven''' chose to follow neither path. They chose the best of both worlds: the Crusaders' drive, and the Wardens' patience, and have done so to great effect. Moreover, the Snow Ravens - as a politically 'neutral' Clan - could contract their services to either a Crusader or Warden Clan with minimal difficulty. Near the middle of the Political Century in [[2979]], Snow Raven Khan [[Ewan McCorkell]] would would strike a bargain with [[Clan Blood Spirit]], trading a Galaxy of second line BattleMechs for three of the Blood Spirits WarShips. He would execute this deal after pondering the future and realizing Snow Ravens would destroy themselves attempting to unseat one of the dominant Clans. He opted for the long road, setting his Clan up to be a primary provider transport and cargo escort services to the distant edge of the Inner Sphere, while also cultivating an alliance for his Clan with a highly reclusive Clan that shared a mutual respect. All of these decisions would prove to be very prudent choices when, fifty years later, the calls for invasion were answered.<ref name=FM:WCp120/><ref name=ED:GCp10/> <br />
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For half a century the Ravens were quiet, until the ''[[Outbound Light]]'' brought about the call for invasion of the [[Inner Sphere]]. [[Clan Coyote]], who had lost much territory in the last few decades, sought to bring glory and prestige to their Clan by attacking the Snow Ravens. While the Coyotes wielded considerable forces, the Ravens fought with equal force and both sides were bloodied bad enough that neither Clan was strong enough to participate in the trials determining a slot in the invasion force. This worked out in the Raven's favor anyway, for Khan [[Lynn McKenna]] was able to negotiate a contract with the Jade Falcons that loaned out two stars of [[WarShip]]s, in exchange for resources from the Inner Sphere, and most importantly, the world of [[Hellgate]] (which the Falcons had recently taken from the Vipers). This arrangement allowed the Ravens to regain their strength lost through the failed Coyote attack, as well as thumb their nose at the Vipers. This arrangement with the Falcons did not last for long, for they and the Crusader Wolves initiated the [[Harvest Trials]] in [[3058]], wherein two entire clusters were taken by the Jade Falcons. Relations with that Clan cooled, although are normalizing again (even after the 'McKenna Bloodhouse Incident' when the Jade Falcon Clan meddled with Snow Raven bloodhouse affairs).<br />
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===The Great Refusal===<br />
One of the greatest feats of the Snow Ravens in recent years has been the completion of the largest [[WarShip]] ever constructed, the ''[[Leviathan]]''. The [[Clan Ghost Bear|Ghost Bears]], the Snow Ravens' longtime ally, requested the assistance in building a WarShip so powerful that it could handle an entire naval star by itself. The Ravens managed to deliver, but the project failed to be completed in time for the Bear's move to the [[Inner Sphere]]. The ''Leviathan'' served as valuable cargo vessel, ferrying millions of Clan civilians to their new home. When the Ghost Bears finally left, they gifted the world of [[Bearclaw]] to the Ravens in thanks, although the [[Clan Hell's Horses |Hell's Horses Clan]] landed just as the Bears were leaving and the Ravens have failed to oust them fully, so far. The Snow Ravens have gained territory elsewhere as well, in the wake of Smoke Jaguar Annihilation the Ravens gained much of the planet of [[Circe]], as well as a portion of [[Homer]] (although they were eventually forced off that world by superior numbers of [[Clan Steel Viper|Steel Vipers]]). The Snow Ravens also assisted in the withdrawal of [[Clan Nova Cat]] forces, which allowed the Ravens to obtain the Abjured Clan's territory with minimal conflict.<br />
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===Territory Wars===<br />
Post-[[3060]], the Ravens began to see the limitations of their recent gains, and decided to send an expeditiary force to the [[Inner Sphere]]. While scouting the near-[[Periphery]], the Snow Raven force stumbled upon an [[Outworlds Alliance]] [[JumpShip]] and staged a trial of possession for it, offering a [[Titan]] class [[DropShip]] as collateral. Surprisingly, the Snow Ravens were beaten by the Alliance pilots. Greatly impressed, they offering their hand in friendship and eventually formalized a make-shift alliance that has allowed Snow Raven vessels to use Outworlds recharge stations, in exchange for refurbishing an old [[Star League]]-era naval base at [[Quatre Belle]]. The Snow Ravens also helped the Alliance develop its own [[OmniFighter]], the [[Corax]] (named in honor of the Ravens).<br />
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===Treachery at Kanzaka===<br />
The [[Inner Sphere]] seemed like a very hospitable place for the Snow Ravens until the [[Draconis Combine]] blew up a Snow Raven vessel attempting to recharge at one of their stations (which the Ravens won the right to by trial). The lost vessel was none other than the ''[[Sovetskii Soyuz#Named Vessels|White Cloud]]'', which once won the [[2736]] [[Martial Olympiad]]. The Ravens took several pirate worlds, [[Rezak's Hole]] and [[Farstar]], which they used for harassing Kuritan interests to the best of their ability.<br />
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===The Assault on Lum===<br />
However, true revenge had to wait, for the Raven's homeworld of [[Lum]] was being assaulted. The [[Clan Steel Viper|Steel Viper Clan]], ejected from the [[Inner Sphere]] by the [[Clan Jade Falcon|Jade Falcons]], sought to take revenge on their most hated foe, the Snow Ravens. Several frontline galaxies were deployed on [[Lum]], and, for a time, it seemed the Vipers would be victorious. Eventually the Snow Ravens turned the tide of battle and drove the Vipers off-planet. The final battle involved naval elements and resulted in the destruction of the Viper vessel ''Pit Viper''. Several Raven vessels were damaged, but none destroyed.<br />
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===The Jihad and Beyond===<br />
With the Viper threat diminshed, the Ravens could now concentrate on the [[Draconis Combine]]. The [[Jihad]] waged by the [[Word of Blake]] was savaging the [[Inner Sphere]], and it was the perfect time to exact revenge upon the weakened Kuritan forces. The Ravens used the depleted [[Swift Wing Naval Assault Star (Clan Snow Raven)|Swift Wing Naval Assault Star]] to raid the worlds of [[Enif]], [[Tabayama]], and [[Galedon V]],<ref name="J:FRp45">''Jihad: Final Reckoning'', p. 45, "The Jihad In Review"</ref> destroying a Kuritan [[Kyushu]] class vessel in the latter engagement. <br />
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The depleted Swift Wing Naval Assault Star was destroyed on the 5th of January [[3069]]; the Star was resupplying in the [[Ramora]] system when terrorists, either funded by the [[Word of Blake]] or Blakist operatives in disguise, used Draconis Combine vessels and tactics to destroy the Raven WarShips.<ref name="J:FRp46">''Jihad: Final Reckoning'', p. 46, "The Jihad In Review"</ref> The Snow Ravens responded to the destruction of the Star by going on the offensive against the Combine in May 3069, seizing the border worlds of [[Budingen]], [[Goubellat]], [[Schirmeck]], [[Valentina]] and [[Weisau]] from the Combine. This was followed by the arrival of a naval Star in the Galedon system on the 1st of June and the orbital bombardment of a number of military installations on the surface of [[Galedon V]]. The Snow Ravens gave the Galedon civilian castes one week to leave the planet; on the 16th of June the Snow Ravens followed their initial bombardment with a much longer bombardment of the planet's surface, targetting every city on the world in turn. The damage wrought on Galedon's population quickly outgrew that of the infamous [[Kentares Massacre]] and saw the planetary administration on Galedron collapse, along with the bulk of the planet's centralised transport and planetary controls. Even as the Snow Ravens captured 30,000 escaping Galedonians and declared them to be ''[[isorla]]'', a plague on the planet which had broken out during battles between [[AFFS]] and DCMS forces earlier in the year reached epidemic proportions, spreading among the survivors of the bombardment.<ref name="J:FRp47">''Jihad: Final Reckoning'', p. 47, "The Jihad In Review"</ref><br />
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As the Snow Raven forces travelled back to Outworlds Alliance space cases of the plague from Galedon broke out on three of the five WarShips, prompting the forced scuttling of several vessels after a battle in an unnamed Combine system as the Snow Ravens tried to control the plague, which had presumably arrived on their ships via some of the civilians taken prisoner.<ref name="J:FRp47"/><br />
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When reports linking terrorist cells apparently operating from the Alliance world of Dante with the [[Word of Blake]] were confirmed in September 3069 the Snow Ravens lay siege to Dante for a week, alongside units from the [[Alliance Military Corps]]. The approach taken on Dante was considered heavy-handed by a number of Alliance worlds and provoked a political crisis for [[Mitchell Avellar]] when secessionist sentiments rose sharply on a number of Alliance worlds in response.<ref name="J:FRp47">''Jihad: Final Reckoning'', p. 47, "The Jihad In Review"</ref><br />
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In late February [[3075]], diplomats from the [[Federated Suns]] travelled to [[Outworlds Alliance]] space to negotiate with the Snow Ravens. As well as a peace settlement, the negotiators hoped to arrange for the release of captured personnel from the [[3rd Crucis Lancers]] and for the Snow Ravens to contribute aid to the coalition assembled by [[Devlin Stone]]. While the negotiations did result in assurances from the Snow Ravens that they wouldn't strike at the Federated Suns again unless provoked, the Clan refused to contribute to the allied coalition and claimed all of the captured [[AFFS]] personnel as ''isorla''.<ref name="JHS:Tp14+">''Jihad Hot Spots: Terra'', p. 14-15, "Timeline of the Jihad"</ref><ref name="J:FRp53">''Jihad: Final Reckoning'', p. 53, "The Jihad In Review"</ref><br />
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In early November [[3075]] [[Clan Ghost Bear]] sent a delegation led by [[Aletha Kabrinski]] to meet with the Snow Ravens in a bid to negotiate for the Snow Ravens to commit to supporting the coalition, the Ghost Bears having recently agreed to support the coalition themselves. By mid-December these negotiations had been successful and the Ghost Bears were able to launch a second assault on the contested world of Ascella with the assistance of supporting forces from the Snow Ravens.<ref name="JHS:Tp19">''Jihad Hot Spots: Terra'', p. 19, "Timeline of the Jihad"</ref><ref name="J:FRp55">''Jihad: Final Reckoning'', p. 55, "The Jihad In Review"</ref> The Snow Ravens dispatched two naval stars to join the coalition on the 16th of February, with the Snow Raven ships escorting the returning Ghost Bears delegation.<ref name="J:FRp55"/><ref name="JHS:Tp20">''Jihad Hot Spots: Terra'', p. 20, "Timeline of the Jihad"</ref><br />
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The combined Ghost Bear and Snow Raven forces launched a number of major assaults in July and September 3076, with the first wave in July striking at the Protectorate worlds of [[Dyev]], [[Kervil]], [[Ko]], [[Lambrecht]], [[Moore]] and [[Sabik]], followed by a second wave in September that expanded the the combined Clan front against the Protectorate by striking at [[Lyons]], [[Pike IV]] and [[Skandia]].<ref name="JHS:Tp22">''Jihad Hot Spots: Terra'', p. 22, "Timeline of the Jihad"</ref><ref name="J:FRp56">''Jihad: Final Reckoning'', p. 56, "The Jihad In Review"</ref><br />
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Post-Jihad, the Snow Ravens are known to merge with the [[Outworlds Alliance]] government, forming the [[Raven Alliance]], although exact information surrounding this remains unknown.<br />
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==Touman==<br />
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See [[Clan Snow Raven Touman]].<br />
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==Rulers==<br />
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===Khans===<br />
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* [[Stephen McKenna]], [[2807]] - ????<ref>''Historical: Operation Klondike'', p. 71</ref><br />
* [[Ewan McCorkell]], ???? - [[2982]]<ref>''Field Manual: Warden Clans'', p. 120</ref><br />
* [[Liam Howell]], ???? - ????<ref>''Field Manual: Warden Clans'', p. 120</ref><br />
* [[Niamh Sukhanov]], ???? - ????<ref>''Field Manual: Warden Clans'', p. 120</ref><br />
* [[Lynn McKenna]], ???? - [[3080]]<ref>''The Wars of Reaving'', p. 179</ref><br />
* [[Alberto Crow]], 308? - Current<ref>''The Wars of Reaving'', p. 178, 179</ref><ref>''Field Manual: 3085, p. 128</ref><br />
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===saKhans===<br />
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* [[Joyce Merrell]], [[2807]] - ????<ref>''Historical: Operation Klondike'', p. 71</ref><br />
* [[Niamh Sukhanov]], ???? - ????<ref>''Field Manual: Warden Clans'', p. 120</ref><br />
* [[Joseph Crow]], ???? - ????<ref>''Field Manual: Warden Clans'', p. 121</ref><br />
* [[Bryn Cooper]], ???? - 3065<ref>''Field Manual: Warden Clans'', p. 127</ref>,<ref>''Field Manual: Updates'', p.65</ref><br />
* [[Broderick Sukhanov]], 3065 - 307? (It is hard to figure out when he died, since in some places it is implied that he died in March 3071, but then he also shows up alive in December 3071.)<ref>''Masters and Minions: The Starcorps Dossiers'', p.160</ref>, <ref>''Jihad Hot Spots: 3072'', p.21-22, 51</ref><br />
* [[Alberto Crow]], 307? - 308?<ref>''Masters and Minions: The Starcorps Dossiers'', p.159-160</ref><ref>''The Wars of Reaving'', p. 178, 179</ref><br />
* [[Thorsten Magnus]], 308? - Current<ref>''The Wars of Reaving'', p. 178</ref><ref>''Field Manual: 3085, p. 128</ref><br />
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==Old obsolete info==<br />
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'''Snow Raven Demographics''' <br /><br />
Affiliation: Warden (nominal) <br /><br />
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'''Clan Space Worlds:''' <br /><br />
Bearclaw (70 percent) <br /><br />
Brim (19 percent) <br /><br />
Circe (70 percent) <br /><br />
Hellgate (100 percent) <br /><br />
Lum (82 percent) <br /><br />
Capital: Lum <br /><br />
Population (Clan Space): 94,199,000 (3060) <br /><br />
Population growth rate: 2.2 percent (49/27) <br /><br />
Self-Sufficiency Index: 96 percent <br /><br />
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'''Leaders:''' <br /><br />
Khan: Lynn Mckenna <br /><br />
saKhan: Bryn Cooper <br /><br />
Loremaster: Klaus Harper <br /><br />
Scientist-Gneral: Charlotte (von Braun) <br /><br />
Merchant Factor: Louis <br /><br />
Master Technician: Mattias <br /><br />
Senior Laborer: Emili <br /><br />
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'''Military:''' <br /><br />
Clusters: 26 <br /><br />
WarShips: 40 <br /><br />
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==Manufacturing Center==<br />
A detailed list of some Snow Raven manufacturer and companie centers.<br />
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===Heavy Aerospace Industry<ref>''Strategic Operations'', p. 17</ref>===<br />
====3067====<br />
* [[Lum Shipyards]]<br />
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== Related external links to non-source sites ==<br />
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* ''[https://sites.google.com/site/lumsflyingtigers/ Clan Snow Raven fansite]''<br />
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== References ==<br />
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==Bibliography==<br />
* ''[[Era Digest: Golden Century]]''<br />
* ''[[Field Manual: Warden Clans]]''<br />
* ''[[Field Manual: Updates]]''<br />
* ''[[Field Manual: 3085]]''<br />
* ''[[Historical: Operation Klondike]]''<br />
* ''[[Jihad: Final Reckoning]]''<br />
* ''[[Jihad Hot Spots: 3072]]''<br />
* ''[[Jihad Hot Spots: Terra]]''<br />
* ''[[Masters and Minions: The StarCorps Dossiers]]''<br />
* ''[[Strategic Operations]]''<br />
* ''[[The Star League]]''<br />
* ''[[The Wars of Reaving]]''<br />
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[[Category: Factions|Clans, Clan Snow Raven]]<br />
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'''Clan Snow Raven''' was founded by [[Stephen McKenna]] (a distant relative of the famous [[James McKenna]] who hailed from the [[Terran Hegemony]]).<ref>''The Star League'', p. 12, "James McKenna"</ref> The Snow Ravens are a complicated [[Clan]] that have taken a unique path, due to several catastrophes in their early history. Famed for their heavy use of naval assets, as well as their conniving and efficient nature, the Snow Raven Clan, despite being mistrusted and misunderstood by other Clans, has risen to power as one of the more powerful Clans in the past decade.<ref name=H:OKp115,116>''Historical: Operation Klondike'', p. 115, 116 - "Stephen McKenna Profile"</ref><br />
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==History==<br />
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===Snow Raven Totem===<br />
[[Nicholas Kerensky]] decreed that the remaining 800 warriors loyal to him be divided into twenty 'clans.' Each clan, consisting of forty warriors would emulate a beast endemic to the [[Kerensky Cluster]]. In his wisdom, the warriors under [[Stephen McKenna]] were designated to embody the attributes of the snow raven, a snow-white bird common to the harsh tundra flats of [[Strana Mechty]]. Snow ravens are known to never waste anything, picking the bones of a carcass clean and then eating the bones as well. Snow ravens were also documented to co-operate with other animals, such as the introduced Terran wolf or the ghost bear, often sharing a kill. Like many other Clans, the Snow Ravens have followed their totem to a fault, often to the extent of ridicule. Indeed, Snow Ravens of all castes are often known to be conniving, cold, and more humorously, extremely garrulous to the point of being more verbose than even those of the [[Clan Ice Hellion|Ice Hellion Clan]]; moreover, Snow Ravens are unable to keep secrets of great purport. Members are colloquially referred to as 'the Unkindness,' the word used for a gathering of greater corvids.<ref name=H:OKp115,116/><ref>''Field Manual: Warden Clans'', p. 118 - "Clan Snow Raven"</ref><ref name=FM:WCp118,119>''Field Manual: Warden Clans'', p. 118, 119 - "Looking Into the Abyss"(2784 - 2785)</ref><br />
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===The Birth of Clan Snow Raven===<br />
For the past several centuries, it has been more famine than feast for the Snow Ravens. Very early in their history the Snow Ravens were struck down by fate. During [[Operation Klondike]], the struggle to reclaim the [[Pentagon Worlds]], the Snow Ravens lost almost half their ground units to enemy forces, and, although in the end the Ravens were victorious, the Raven touman, particularly its [['Mech]] forces, were severely diminished. Khan McKenna sought ways to increase the strength of his touman, and found his answer in the many caches of [[Star League]] equipment stored in various places in the Pentagon Worlds. At the time, other [[Clans]] were scrambling madly for equipment out of caches as well, thus it was impractical for an already weak Clan face other, stronger Clans in this matter. Khan [[Stephen McKenna]], a naval commander during the [[Amaris Civil War|Amaris Crisis]] and during the [[Exodus]], suggested the Clan's warriors stage trials of possession for [[WarShip]]s, which were less sought after--- other Clans sought after 'Mechs and the WarShips ran against the warrior ethos of the nascent [[Clans]]. Before the other Clans could react, the Snow Ravens fielded a considerable naval force as well as gaining a stranglehold on almost all naval shipyards in Clan space.<ref name=H:OKp115,116/><ref name=FM:WCp118,119/><br />
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===Aftermath of Operation Klondike===<br />
This did not prevent the Ravens from still requiring an adequate ground force and they soon found themselves in conflict over the possession of a cache with the [[Clan Wolverine|Wolverine]] Clan on the planet [[Circe]].<ref>''Historical: Operation Klondike'', p. 71 - ''Primary Forces Committed to Circe''</ref> The Wolverines and the Snow Ravens bore much enmity towards each other since [[Operation Klondike]]: the Wolverine saKhan, [[Franklin Hallis]] was attracted to Raven saKhan, [[Joyce Merrell]], however Merrill did not requite Hallis' affections and the Wolverines had moved to destroy Raven interests ever since. This cache of 'Mechs once belonged to the unit with which the Wolverine Khan, [[Sarah McEvedy]], had served; however the actual cache resided in Raven territory. Thus, the matter was brought before the Clan Council to be resolved. However, when the Ravens were awarded the rights to the cache, the Wolverine Clan, (who recently become very discontented with Clan society) declared their independence from the Clans. The Snow Ravens, already aware the Wolverines were massing on their borders, moved to attack. The Wolverines fought intensely and the Snow Ravens were beaten back to their capital, [[Dehra Dun]], and finally repulsed from there as well. The Wolverines emptied the city of all civilians and detonated a low-level nuclear warhead, destroying the primary genetic repository. This resulted in a Trial of Annihilation declared against Clan Wolverine, by Clans [[Clan Wolf|Wolf]] and [[Clan Widowmaker|Widowmaker]]. Following the destruction of the majority of Wolverine Clan (now known as the Not-Named Clan), the Ravens were again heavily decimated, and [[Clan Mongoose]] began to quietly ask for a Raven absorption. The Ravens were not deterred by this; they moved their capital to the planet of [[Lum]] and tried to rebuild their shattered Clan once again.<ref name=H:OKp115,116/><ref name=FM:WCp118,119/><ref name=FM:WCp120>''Field Manual: Warden Clans'', p. 120 - ''Legacy of War, personal journals of Khan Stephen McKenna''</ref><br />
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===The Golden Century===<br />
On [[Lum]], the Ravens gained many of the attributes they are renowned for today. Superb political manipulators, the clan banded together their bloodlines to form 'families.' Conflicts between families, unlike that constant infighting that plagues the [[Clan Fire Mandrill |Fire Mandrill Clan]], has only made the Snow Ravens stronger. In addition to this, the Ravens were also efficient users of raw materials, breeding a naval phenotype, unique among the [[Clans]], to staff Raven [[WarShip]] fleets. The Raven Clan moved silently through Clan society, quietly rebuilding themselves.<ref name=H:OKp115,116/><ref name=FM:WCp118,119/><br />
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In the 2850's, the Ravens came across an inhospitable world, aptly named [[Hellgate]], that was rich with natural resources. When the Ravens moved to colonize this world, the [[Clan Steel Viper|Steel Vipers]] staged a trial of possession for the planet's agrodomes, and, although the Ravens fought hard, without food the Clan was forced to relinquish control to the Vipers within several years. The Vipers continued to prey upon the Ravens and they perpetuate a feud to this day.<ref name=FM:WCp119,120>''Field Manual: Warden Clans'', p. 119, 120 - "Clan Snow Raven, Absolute Power (2825 - 2976)"</ref> <br />
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Raven activities were fairly quiet for more than a century, until a Raven khan revealed [[Clan Cloud Cobra]] ilKhan [[Tobias Khatib]]'s complicity in the murder of the previous ilKhan. The Ravens found themselves in the forefront of Clan society again, when Khan [[Liam Howell]] revealed that it was he who had instructed Snow Raven scientists to introduce a genetically-recumbent great white shark into the oceans of [[Strana Mechty]]. Khan Howell despised the [[Clan Sea Fox]] for thwarting his attempts to gain territory on the world of [[Priori]], and subsequently unleashed these 'diamond sharks' for the expressed purpose of wiping out the Sea Fox totem animal. The Raven saKhan, [[Niamh Sukhanov]], furious at his superior's machinations, declared a trial of grievance, killing Khan Howells and then assuming the seat of Khanship. Nonetheless, the Sea Foxes were furious, and their anger only abated when the Snow Raven Khan envoked the rite of ''surkireide''.<ref name=FM:WCp119,120/><ref name=ED:GCp10>''Era Digest: Golden Century'', p. 10 - ''Early Clan History: A Comparative Timeline, Cont.''</ref><ref name=FM:WCp120>''Field Manual: Warden Clans'', p. 120 - "Trials and Tribulations" (2977 - 3047)</ref> <br />
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===The Political Century and Operation Revival===<br />
In stark contrast to the peace that the so-called 'Golden Century' granted, the following era, the [[Political Century]] would be racked with turmoil. The requisite three generations that Kerensky had mandated for the [[Clans]] to finally return to the [[Inner Sphere]] had long since past and many in Clan society called for change. Nascent ideological rifts began to grow, eventually coalescing into the [[Crusader Clans|Crusader]] philosophy, which wanted to return to the Inner Sphere and reinstate the [[Star League]], and the [[Warden Clans|Warden]] philosophy, whose adherents felt the [[Clans]] were still not ready to return. Interpreting both these ideologies as false, '''Clan Snow Raven''' chose to follow neither path. They chose the best of both worlds: the Crusaders' drive, and the Wardens' patience, and have done so to great effect. Moreover, the Snow Ravens - as a politically 'neutral' Clan - could contract their services to either a Crusader or Warden Clan with minimal difficulty. Near the middle of the Political Century in [[2979]], Snow Raven Khan [[Ewan McCorkell]] would would strike a bargain with [[Clan Blood Spirit]], trading a Galaxy of second line BattleMechs for three of the Blood Spirits WarShips. He would execute this deal after pondering the future and realizing Snow Ravens would destroy themselves attempting to unseat one of the dominant Clans. He opted for the long road, setting his Clan up to be a primary provider transport and cargo escort services to the distant edge of the Inner Sphere, while also cultivating an alliance for his Clan with a highly reclusive Clan that shared a mutual respect. All of these decisions would prove to be very prudent choices when, fifty years later, the calls for invasion were answered.<ref name=FM:WCp120/><ref name=ED:GCp10/> <br />
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For half a century the Ravens were quiet, until the ''[[Outbound Light]]'' brought about the call for invasion of the [[Inner Sphere]]. [[Clan Coyote]], who had lost much territory in the last few decades, sought to bring glory and prestige to their Clan by attacking the Snow Ravens. While the Coyotes wielded considerable forces, the Ravens fought with equal force and both sides were bloodied bad enough that neither Clan was strong enough to participate in the trials determining a slot in the invasion force. This worked out in the Raven's favor anyway, for Khan [[Lynn McKenna]] was able to negotiate a contract with the Jade Falcons that loaned out two stars of [[WarShip]]s, in exchange for resources from the Inner Sphere, and most importantly, the world of [[Hellgate]] (which the Falcons had recently taken from the Vipers). This arrangement allowed the Ravens to regain their strength lost through the failed Coyote attack, as well as thumb their nose at the Vipers. This arrangement with the Falcons did not last for long, for they and the Crusader Wolves initiated the [[Harvest Trials]] in [[3058]], wherein two entire clusters were taken by the Jade Falcons. Relations with that Clan cooled, although are normalizing again (even after the 'McKenna Bloodhouse Incident' when the Jade Falcon Clan meddled with Snow Raven bloodhouse affairs).<br />
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===The Great Refusal===<br />
One of the greatest feats of the Snow Ravens in recent years has been the completion of the largest [[WarShip]] ever constructed, the ''[[Leviathan]]''. The [[Clan Ghost Bear|Ghost Bears]], the Snow Ravens' longtime ally, requested the assistance in building a WarShip so powerful that it could handle an entire naval star by itself. The Ravens managed to deliver, but the project failed to be completed in time for the Bear's move to the [[Inner Sphere]]. The ''Leviathan'' served as valuable cargo vessel, ferrying millions of Clan civilians to their new home. When the Ghost Bears finally left, they gifted the world of [[Bearclaw]] to the Ravens in thanks, although the [[Clan Hell's Horses |Hell's Horses Clan]] landed just as the Bears were leaving and the Ravens have failed to oust them fully, so far. The Snow Ravens have gained territory elsewhere as well, in the wake of Smoke Jaguar Annihilation the Ravens gained much of the planet of [[Circe]], as well as a portion of [[Homer]] (although they were eventually forced off that world by superior numbers of [[Clan Steel Viper|Steel Vipers]]). The Snow Ravens also assisted in the withdrawal of [[Clan Nova Cat]] forces, which allowed the Ravens to obtain the Abjured Clan's territory with minimal conflict.<br />
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===Territory Wars===<br />
Post-[[3060]], the Ravens began to see the limitations of their recent gains, and decided to send an expeditiary force to the [[Inner Sphere]]. While scouting the near-[[Periphery]], the Snow Raven force stumbled upon an [[Outworlds Alliance]] [[JumpShip]] and staged a trial of possession for it, offering a [[Titan]] class [[DropShip]] as collateral. Surprisingly, the Snow Ravens were beaten by the Alliance pilots. Greatly impressed, they offering their hand in friendship and eventually formalized a make-shift alliance that has allowed Snow Raven vessels to use Outworlds recharge stations, in exchange for refurbishing an old [[Star League]]-era naval base at [[Quatre Belle]]. The Snow Ravens also helped the Alliance develop its own [[OmniFighter]], the [[Corax]] (named in honor of the Ravens).<br />
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===Treachery at Kanzaka===<br />
The [[Inner Sphere]] seemed like a very hospitable place for the Snow Ravens until the [[Draconis Combine]] blew up a Snow Raven vessel attempting to recharge at one of their stations (which the Ravens won the right to by trial). The lost vessel was none other than the ''[[Sovetskii Soyuz#Named Vessels|White Cloud]]'', which once won the [[2736]] [[Martial Olympiad]]. The Ravens took several pirate worlds, [[Rezak's Hole]] and [[Farstar]], which they used for harassing Kuritan interests to the best of their ability.<br />
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===The Assault on Lum===<br />
However, true revenge had to wait, for the Raven's homeworld of [[Lum]] was being assaulted. The [[Clan Steel Viper|Steel Viper Clan]], ejected from the [[Inner Sphere]] by the [[Clan Jade Falcon|Jade Falcons]], sought to take revenge on their most hated foe, the Snow Ravens. Several frontline galaxies were deployed on [[Lum]], and, for a time, it seemed the Vipers would be victorious. Eventually the Snow Ravens turned the tide of battle and drove the Vipers off-planet. The final battle involved naval elements and resulted in the destruction of the Viper vessel ''Pit Viper''. Several Raven vessels were damaged, but none destroyed.<br />
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===The Jihad and Beyond===<br />
With the Viper threat diminshed, the Ravens could now concentrate on the [[Draconis Combine]]. The [[Jihad]] waged by the [[Word of Blake]] was savaging the [[Inner Sphere]], and it was the perfect time to exact revenge upon the weakened Kuritan forces. The Ravens used the depleted [[Swift Wing Naval Assault Star (Clan Snow Raven)|Swift Wing Naval Assault Star]] to raid the worlds of [[Enif]], [[Tabayama]], and [[Galedon V]],<ref name="J:FRp45">''Jihad: Final Reckoning'', p. 45, "The Jihad In Review"</ref> destroying a Kuritan [[Kyushu]] class vessel in the latter engagement. <br />
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The depleted Swift Wing Naval Assault Star was destroyed on the 5th of January [[3069]]; the Star was resupplying in the [[Ramora]] system when terrorists, either funded by the [[Word of Blake]] or Blakist operatives in disguise, used Draconis Combine vessels and tactics to destroy the Raven WarShips.<ref name="J:FRp46">''Jihad: Final Reckoning'', p. 46, "The Jihad In Review"</ref> The Snow Ravens responded to the destruction of the Star by going on the offensive against the Combine in May 3069, seizing the border worlds of [[Budingen]], [[Goubellat]], [[Schirmeck]], [[Valentina]] and [[Weisau]] from the Combine. This was followed by the arrival of a naval Star in the Galedon system on the 1st of June and the orbital bombardment of a number of military installations on the surface of [[Galedon V]]. The Snow Ravens gave the Galedon civilian castes one week to leave the planet; on the 16th of June the Snow Ravens followed their initial bombardment with a much longer bombardment of the planet's surface, targetting every city on the world in turn. The damage wrought on Galedon's population quickly outgrew that of the infamous [[Kentares Massacre]] and saw the planetary administration on Galedron collapse, along with the bulk of the planet's centralised transport and planetary controls. Even as the Snow Ravens captured 30,000 escaping Galedonians and declared them to be ''[[isorla]]'', a plague on the planet which had broken out during battles between [[AFFS]] and DCMS forces earlier in the year reached epidemic proportions, spreading among the survivors of the bombardment.<ref name="J:FRp47">''Jihad: Final Reckoning'', p. 47, "The Jihad In Review"</ref><br />
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As the Snow Raven forces travelled back to Outworlds Alliance space cases of the plague from Galedon broke out on three of the five WarShips, prompting the forced scuttling of several vessels after a battle in an unnamed Combine system as the Snow Ravens tried to control the plague, which had presumably arrived on their ships via some of the civilians taken prisoner.<ref name="J:FRp47"/><br />
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When reports linking terrorist cells apparently operating from the Alliance world of Dante with the [[Word of Blake]] were confirmed in September 3069 the Snow Ravens lay siege to Dante for a week, alongside units from the [[Alliance Military Corps]]. The approach taken on Dante was considered heavy-handed by a number of Alliance worlds and provoked a political crisis for [[Mitchell Avellar]] when secessionist sentiments rose sharply on a number of Alliance worlds in response.<ref name="J:FRp47">''Jihad: Final Reckoning'', p. 47, "The Jihad In Review"</ref><br />
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In late February [[3075]], diplomats from the [[Federated Suns]] travelled to [[Outworlds Alliance]] space to negotiate with the Snow Ravens. As well as a peace settlement, the negotiators hoped to arrange for the release of captured personnel from the [[3rd Crucis Lancers]] and for the Snow Ravens to contribute aid to the coalition assembled by [[Devlin Stone]]. While the negotiations did result in assurances from the Snow Ravens that they wouldn't strike at the Federated Suns again unless provoked, the Clan refused to contribute to the allied coalition and claimed all of the captured [[AFFS]] personnel as ''isorla''.<ref name="JHS:Tp14+">''Jihad Hot Spots: Terra'', p. 14-15, "Timeline of the Jihad"</ref><ref name="J:FRp53">''Jihad: Final Reckoning'', p. 53, "The Jihad In Review"</ref><br />
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In early November [[3075]] [[Clan Ghost Bear]] sent a delegation led by [[Aletha Kabrinski]] to meet with the Snow Ravens in a bid to negotiate for the Snow Ravens to commit to supporting the coalition, the Ghost Bears having recently agreed to support the coalition themselves. By mid-December these negotiations had been successful and the Ghost Bears were able to launch a second assault on the contested world of Ascella with the assistance of supporting forces from the Snow Ravens.<ref name="JHS:Tp19">''Jihad Hot Spots: Terra'', p. 19, "Timeline of the Jihad"</ref><ref name="J:FRp55">''Jihad: Final Reckoning'', p. 55, "The Jihad In Review"</ref> The Snow Ravens dispatched two naval stars to join the coalition on the 16th of February, with the Snow Raven ships escorting the returning Ghost Bears delegation.<ref name="J:FRp55"/><ref name="JHS:Tp20">''Jihad Hot Spots: Terra'', p. 20, "Timeline of the Jihad"</ref><br />
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The combined Ghost Bear and Snow Raven forces launched a number of major assaults in July and September 3076, with the first wave in July striking at the Protectorate worlds of [[Dyev]], [[Kervil]], [[Ko]], [[Lambrecht]], [[Moore]] and [[Sabik]], followed by a second wave in September that expanded the the combined Clan front against the Protectorate by striking at [[Lyons]], [[Pike IV]] and [[Skandia]].<ref name="JHS:Tp22">''Jihad Hot Spots: Terra'', p. 22, "Timeline of the Jihad"</ref><ref name="J:FRp56">''Jihad: Final Reckoning'', p. 56, "The Jihad In Review"</ref><br />
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Post-Jihad, the Snow Ravens are known to merge with the [[Outworlds Alliance]] government, forming the [[Raven Alliance]], although exact information surrounding this remains unknown.<br />
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==Touman==<br />
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See [[Clan Snow Raven Touman]].<br />
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==Rulers==<br />
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===Khans===<br />
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* [[Stephen McKenna]], [[2807]] - ????<ref>''Historical: Operation Klondike'', p. 71</ref><br />
* [[Ewan McCorkell]], ???? - [[2982]]<ref>''Field Manual: Warden Clans'', p. 120</ref><br />
* [[Liam Howell]], ???? - ????<ref>''Field Manual: Warden Clans'', p. 120</ref><br />
* [[Niamh Sukhanov]], ???? - ????<ref>''Field Manual: Warden Clans'', p. 120</ref><br />
* [[Lynn McKenna]], ???? - [[3080]]<ref>''The Wars of Reaving'', p. 179</ref><br />
* [[Alberto Crow]], 308? - Current<ref>''The Wars of Reaving'', p. 178, 179</ref><ref>''Field Manual: 3085, p. 128</ref><br />
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===saKhans===<br />
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* [[Joyce Merrell]], [[2807]] - ????<ref>''Historical: Operation Klondike'', p. 71</ref><br />
* [[Niamh Sukhanov]], ???? - ????<ref>''Field Manual: Warden Clans'', p. 120</ref><br />
* [[Joseph Crow]], ???? - ????<ref>''Field Manual: Warden Clans'', p. 121</ref><br />
* [[Bryn Cooper]], ???? - 3065<ref>''Field Manual: Warden Clans'', p. 127</ref>,<ref>''Field Manual: Updates'', p.65</ref><br />
* [[Broderick Sukhanov]], 3065 - 307? (It is hard to figure out when he died, since in some places it is implied that he died in March 3071, but then he also shows up alive in December 3071.)<ref>''Masters and Minions: The Starcorps Dossiers'', p.160</ref>, <ref>''Jihad Hot Spots: 3072'', p.21-22, 51</ref><br />
* [[Alberto Crow]], 307? - 308?<ref>''Masters and Minions: The Starcorps Dossiers'', p.159-160</ref><ref>''The Wars of Reaving'', p. 178, 179</ref><br />
* [[Thorsten Magnus]], 308? - Current<ref>''The Wars of Reaving'', p. 178</ref><ref>''Field Manual: 3085, p. 128</ref><br />
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==Old obsolete info==<br />
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'''Snow Raven Demographics''' <br /><br />
Affiliation: Warden (nominal) <br /><br />
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'''Clan Space Worlds:''' <br /><br />
Bearclaw (70 percent) <br /><br />
Brim (19 percent) <br /><br />
Circe (70 percent) <br /><br />
Hellgate (100 percent) <br /><br />
Lum (82 percent) <br /><br />
Capital: Lum <br /><br />
Population (Clan Space): 94,199,000 (3060) <br /><br />
Population growth rate: 2.2 percent (49/27) <br /><br />
Self-Sufficiency Index: 96 percent <br /><br />
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'''Leaders:''' <br /><br />
Khan: Lynn Mckenna <br /><br />
saKhan: Bryn Cooper <br /><br />
Loremaster: Klaus Harper <br /><br />
Scientist-Gneral: Charlotte (von Braun) <br /><br />
Merchant Factor: Louis <br /><br />
Master Technician: Mattias <br /><br />
Senior Laborer: Emili <br /><br />
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'''Military:''' <br /><br />
Clusters: 26 <br /><br />
WarShips: 40 <br /><br />
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==Manufacturing Center==<br />
A detailed list of some Snow Raven manufacturer and companie centers.<br />
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===Heavy Aerospace Industry<ref>''Strategic Operations'', p. 17</ref>===<br />
====3067====<br />
* [[Lum Shipyards]]<br />
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== References ==<br />
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==Bibliography==<br />
* ''[https://sites.google.com/site/lumsflyingtigers/ Clan Snow Raven fansite]''<br />
* ''[[Era Digest: Golden Century]]''<br />
* ''[[Field Manual: Warden Clans]]''<br />
* ''[[Field Manual: Updates]]''<br />
* ''[[Field Manual: 3085]]''<br />
* ''[[Historical: Operation Klondike]]''<br />
* ''[[Jihad: Final Reckoning]]''<br />
* ''[[Jihad Hot Spots: 3072]]''<br />
* ''[[Jihad Hot Spots: Terra]]''<br />
* ''[[Masters and Minions: The StarCorps Dossiers]]''<br />
* ''[[Strategic Operations]]''<br />
* ''[[The Star League]]''<br />
* ''[[The Wars of Reaving]]''<br />
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[[Category: Clans]]<br />
[[Category: Factions|Clans, Clan Snow Raven]]<br />
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'''Clan Snow Raven''' was founded by [[Stephen McKenna]] (a distant relative of the famous [[James McKenna]] who hailed from the [[Terran Hegemony]]).<ref>''The Star League'', p. 12, "James McKenna"</ref> The Snow Ravens are a complicated [[Clan]] that have taken a unique path, due to several catastrophes in their early history. Famed for their heavy use of naval assets, as well as their conniving and efficient nature, the Snow Raven Clan, despite being mistrusted and misunderstood by other Clans, has risen to power as one of the more powerful Clans in the past decade.<ref name=H:OKp115,116>''Historical: Operation Klondike'', p. 115, 116 - "Stephen McKenna Profile"</ref><br />
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==History==<br />
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===Snow Raven Totem===<br />
[[Nicholas Kerensky]] decreed that the remaining 800 warriors loyal to him be divided into twenty 'clans.' Each clan, consisting of forty warriors would emulate a beast endemic to the [[Kerensky Cluster]]. In his wisdom, the warriors under [[Stephen McKenna]] were designated to embody the attributes of the snow raven, a snow-white bird common to the harsh tundra flats of [[Strana Mechty]]. Snow ravens are known to never waste anything, picking the bones of a carcass clean and then eating the bones as well. Snow ravens were also documented to co-operate with other animals, such as the introduced Terran wolf or the ghost bear, often sharing a kill. Like many other Clans, the Snow Ravens have followed their totem to a fault, often to the extent of ridicule. Indeed, Snow Ravens of all castes are often known to be conniving, cold, and more humorously, extremely garrulous to the point of being more verbose than even those of the [[Clan Ice Hellion|Ice Hellion Clan]]; moreover, Snow Ravens are unable to keep secrets of great purport. Members are colloquially referred to as 'the Unkindness,' the word used for a gathering of greater corvids.<ref name=H:OKp115,116/><ref>''Field Manual: Warden Clans'', p. 118 - "Clan Snow Raven"</ref><ref name=FM:WCp118,119>''Field Manual: Warden Clans'', p. 118, 119 - "Looking Into the Abyss"(2784 - 2785)</ref><br />
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===The Birth of Clan Snow Raven===<br />
For the past several centuries, it has been more famine than feast for the Snow Ravens. Very early in their history the Snow Ravens were struck down by fate. During [[Operation Klondike]], the struggle to reclaim the [[Pentagon Worlds]], the Snow Ravens lost almost half their ground units to enemy forces, and, although in the end the Ravens were victorious, the Raven touman, particularly its [['Mech]] forces, were severely diminished. Khan McKenna sought ways to increase the strength of his touman, and found his answer in the many caches of [[Star League]] equipment stored in various places in the Pentagon Worlds. At the time, other [[Clans]] were scrambling madly for equipment out of caches as well, thus it was impractical for an already weak Clan face other, stronger Clans in this matter. Khan [[Stephen McKenna]], a naval commander during the [[Amaris Civil War|Amaris Crisis]] and during the [[Exodus]], suggested the Clan's warriors stage trials of possession for [[WarShip]]s, which were less sought after--- other Clans sought after 'Mechs and the WarShips ran against the warrior ethos of the nascent [[Clans]]. Before the other Clans could react, the Snow Ravens fielded a considerable naval force as well as gaining a stranglehold on almost all naval shipyards in Clan space.<ref name=H:OKp115,116/><ref name=FM:WCp118,119/><br />
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===Aftermath of Operation Klondike===<br />
This did not prevent the Ravens from still requiring an adequate ground force and they soon found themselves in conflict over the possession of a cache with the [[Clan Wolverine|Wolverine]] Clan on the planet [[Circe]].<ref>''Historical: Operation Klondike'', p. 71 - ''Primary Forces Committed to Circe''</ref> The Wolverines and the Snow Ravens bore much enmity towards each other since [[Operation Klondike]]: the Wolverine saKhan, [[Franklin Hallis]] was attracted to Raven saKhan, [[Joyce Merrell]], however Merrill did not requite Hallis' affections and the Wolverines had moved to destroy Raven interests ever since. This cache of 'Mechs once belonged to the unit with which the Wolverine Khan, [[Sarah McEvedy]], had served; however the actual cache resided in Raven territory. Thus, the matter was brought before the Clan Council to be resolved. However, when the Ravens were awarded the rights to the cache, the Wolverine Clan, (who recently become very discontented with Clan society) declared their independence from the Clans. The Snow Ravens, already aware the Wolverines were massing on their borders, moved to attack. The Wolverines fought intensely and the Snow Ravens were beaten back to their capital, [[Dehra Dun]], and finally repulsed from there as well. The Wolverines emptied the city of all civilians and detonated a low-level nuclear warhead, destroying the primary genetic repository. This resulted in a Trial of Annihilation declared against Clan Wolverine, by Clans [[Clan Wolf|Wolf]] and [[Clan Widowmaker|Widowmaker]]. Following the destruction of the majority of Wolverine Clan (now known as the Not-Named Clan), the Ravens were again heavily decimated, and [[Clan Mongoose]] began to quietly ask for a Raven absorption. The Ravens were not deterred by this; they moved their capital to the planet of [[Lum]] and tried to rebuild their shattered Clan once again.<ref name=H:OKp115,116/><ref name=FM:WCp118,119/><ref name=FM:WCp120>''Field Manual: Warden Clans'', p. 120 - ''Legacy of War, personal journals of Khan Stephen McKenna''</ref><br />
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===The Golden Century===<br />
On [[Lum]], the Ravens gained many of the attributes they are renowned for today. Superb political manipulators, the clan banded together their bloodlines to form 'families.' Conflicts between families, unlike that constant infighting that plagues the [[Clan Fire Mandrill |Fire Mandrill Clan]], has only made the Snow Ravens stronger. In addition to this, the Ravens were also efficient users of raw materials, breeding a naval phenotype, unique among the [[Clans]], to staff Raven [[WarShip]] fleets. The Raven Clan moved silently through Clan society, quietly rebuilding themselves.<ref name=H:OKp115,116/><ref name=FM:WCp118,119/><br />
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In the 2850's, the Ravens came across an inhospitable world, aptly named [[Hellgate]], that was rich with natural resources. When the Ravens moved to colonize this world, the [[Clan Steel Viper|Steel Vipers]] staged a trial of possession for the planet's agrodomes, and, although the Ravens fought hard, without food the Clan was forced to relinquish control to the Vipers within several years. The Vipers continued to prey upon the Ravens and they perpetuate a feud to this day.<ref name=FM:WCp119,120>''Field Manual: Warden Clans'', p. 119, 120 - "Clan Snow Raven, Absolute Power (2825 - 2976)"</ref> <br />
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Raven activities were fairly quiet for more than a century, until a Raven khan revealed [[Clan Cloud Cobra]] ilKhan [[Tobias Khatib]]'s complicity in the murder of the previous ilKhan. The Ravens found themselves in the forefront of Clan society again, when Khan [[Liam Howell]] revealed that it was he who had instructed Snow Raven scientists to introduce a genetically-recumbent great white shark into the oceans of [[Strana Mechty]]. Khan Howell despised the [[Clan Sea Fox]] for thwarting his attempts to gain territory on the world of [[Priori]], and subsequently unleashed these 'diamond sharks' for the expressed purpose of wiping out the Sea Fox totem animal. The Raven saKhan, [[Niamh Sukhanov]], furious at his superior's machinations, declared a trial of grievance, killing Khan Howells and then assuming the seat of Khanship. Nonetheless, the Sea Foxes were furious, and their anger only abated when the Snow Raven Khan envoked the rite of ''surkireide''.<ref name=FM:WCp119,120/><ref name=ED:GCp10>''Era Digest: Golden Century'', p. 10 - ''Early Clan History: A Comparative Timeline, Cont.''</ref><ref name=FM:WCp120>''Field Manual: Warden Clans'', p. 120 - "Trials and Tribulations" (2977 - 3047)</ref> <br />
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===The Political Century and Operation Revival===<br />
In stark contrast to the peace that the so-called 'Golden Century' granted, the following era, the [[Political Century]] would be racked with turmoil. The requisite three generations that Kerensky had mandated for the [[Clans]] to finally return to the [[Inner Sphere]] had long since past and many in Clan society called for change. Nascent ideological rifts began to grow, eventually coalescing into the [[Crusader Clans|Crusader]] philosophy, which wanted to return to the Inner Sphere and reinstate the [[Star League]], and the [[Warden Clans|Warden]] philosophy, whose adherents felt the [[Clans]] were still not ready to return. Interpreting both these ideologies as false, '''Clan Snow Raven''' chose to follow neither path. They chose the best of both worlds: the Crusaders' drive, and the Wardens' patience, and have done so to great effect. Moreover, the Snow Ravens - as a politically 'neutral' Clan - could contract their services to either a Crusader or Warden Clan with minimal difficulty. Near the middle of the Political Century in [[2979]], Snow Raven Khan [[Ewan McCorkell]] would would strike a bargain with [[Clan Blood Spirit]], trading a Galaxy of second line BattleMechs for three of the Blood Spirits WarShips. He would execute this deal after pondering the future and realizing Snow Ravens would destroy themselves attempting to unseat one of the dominant Clans. He opted for the long road, setting his Clan up to be a primary provider transport and cargo escort services to the distant edge of the Inner Sphere, while also cultivating an alliance for his Clan with a highly reclusive Clan that shared a mutual respect. All of these decisions would prove to be very prudent choices when, fifty years later, the calls for invasion were answered.<ref name=FM:WCp120/><ref name=ED:GCp10/> <br />
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For half a century the Ravens were quiet, until the ''[[Outbound Light]]'' brought about the call for invasion of the [[Inner Sphere]]. [[Clan Coyote]], who had lost much territory in the last few decades, sought to bring glory and prestige to their Clan by attacking the Snow Ravens. While the Coyotes wielded considerable forces, the Ravens fought with equal force and both sides were bloodied bad enough that neither Clan was strong enough to participate in the trials determining a slot in the invasion force. This worked out in the Raven's favor anyway, for Khan [[Lynn McKenna]] was able to negotiate a contract with the Jade Falcons that loaned out two stars of [[WarShip]]s, in exchange for resources from the Inner Sphere, and most importantly, the world of [[Hellgate]] (which the Falcons had recently taken from the Vipers). This arrangement allowed the Ravens to regain their strength lost through the failed Coyote attack, as well as thumb their nose at the Vipers. This arrangement with the Falcons did not last for long, for they and the Crusader Wolves initiated the [[Harvest Trials]] in [[3058]], wherein two entire clusters were taken by the Jade Falcons. Relations with that Clan cooled, although are normalizing again (even after the 'McKenna Bloodhouse Incident' when the Jade Falcon Clan meddled with Snow Raven bloodhouse affairs).<br />
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===The Great Refusal===<br />
One of the greatest feats of the Snow Ravens in recent years has been the completion of the largest [[WarShip]] ever constructed, the ''[[Leviathan]]''. The [[Clan Ghost Bear|Ghost Bears]], the Snow Ravens' longtime ally, requested the assistance in building a WarShip so powerful that it could handle an entire naval star by itself. The Ravens managed to deliver, but the project failed to be completed in time for the Bear's move to the [[Inner Sphere]]. The ''Leviathan'' served as valuable cargo vessel, ferrying millions of Clan civilians to their new home. When the Ghost Bears finally left, they gifted the world of [[Bearclaw]] to the Ravens in thanks, although the [[Clan Hell's Horses |Hell's Horses Clan]] landed just as the Bears were leaving and the Ravens have failed to oust them fully, so far. The Snow Ravens have gained territory elsewhere as well, in the wake of Smoke Jaguar Annihilation the Ravens gained much of the planet of [[Circe]], as well as a portion of [[Homer]] (although they were eventually forced off that world by superior numbers of [[Clan Steel Viper|Steel Vipers]]). The Snow Ravens also assisted in the withdrawal of [[Clan Nova Cat]] forces, which allowed the Ravens to obtain the Abjured Clan's territory with minimal conflict.<br />
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===Territory Wars===<br />
Post-[[3060]], the Ravens began to see the limitations of their recent gains, and decided to send an expeditiary force to the [[Inner Sphere]]. While scouting the near-[[Periphery]], the Snow Raven force stumbled upon an [[Outworlds Alliance]] [[JumpShip]] and staged a trial of possession for it, offering a [[Titan]] class [[DropShip]] as collateral. Surprisingly, the Snow Ravens were beaten by the Alliance pilots. Greatly impressed, they offering their hand in friendship and eventually formalized a make-shift alliance that has allowed Snow Raven vessels to use Outworlds recharge stations, in exchange for refurbishing an old [[Star League]]-era naval base at [[Quatre Belle]]. The Snow Ravens also helped the Alliance develop its own [[OmniFighter]], the [[Corax]] (named in honor of the Ravens).<br />
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===Treachery at Kanzaka===<br />
The [[Inner Sphere]] seemed like a very hospitable place for the Snow Ravens until the [[Draconis Combine]] blew up a Snow Raven vessel attempting to recharge at one of their stations (which the Ravens won the right to by trial). The lost vessel was none other than the ''[[Sovetskii Soyuz#Named Vessels|White Cloud]]'', which once won the [[2736]] [[Martial Olympiad]]. The Ravens took several pirate worlds, [[Rezak's Hole]] and [[Farstar]], which they used for harassing Kuritan interests to the best of their ability.<br />
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===The Assault on Lum===<br />
However, true revenge had to wait, for the Raven's homeworld of [[Lum]] was being assaulted. The [[Clan Steel Viper|Steel Viper Clan]], ejected from the [[Inner Sphere]] by the [[Clan Jade Falcon|Jade Falcons]], sought to take revenge on their most hated foe, the Snow Ravens. Several frontline galaxies were deployed on [[Lum]], and, for a time, it seemed the Vipers would be victorious. Eventually the Snow Ravens turned the tide of battle and drove the Vipers off-planet. The final battle involved naval elements and resulted in the destruction of the Viper vessel ''Pit Viper''. Several Raven vessels were damaged, but none destroyed.<br />
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===The Jihad and Beyond===<br />
With the Viper threat diminshed, the Ravens could now concentrate on the [[Draconis Combine]]. The [[Jihad]] waged by the [[Word of Blake]] was savaging the [[Inner Sphere]], and it was the perfect time to exact revenge upon the weakened Kuritan forces. The Ravens used the depleted [[Swift Wing Naval Assault Star (Clan Snow Raven)|Swift Wing Naval Assault Star]] to raid the worlds of [[Enif]], [[Tabayama]], and [[Galedon V]],<ref name="J:FRp45">''Jihad: Final Reckoning'', p. 45, "The Jihad In Review"</ref> destroying a Kuritan [[Kyushu]] class vessel in the latter engagement. <br />
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The depleted Swift Wing Naval Assault Star was destroyed on the 5th of January [[3069]]; the Star was resupplying in the [[Ramora]] system when terrorists, either funded by the [[Word of Blake]] or Blakist operatives in disguise, used Draconis Combine vessels and tactics to destroy the Raven WarShips.<ref name="J:FRp46">''Jihad: Final Reckoning'', p. 46, "The Jihad In Review"</ref> The Snow Ravens responded to the destruction of the Star by going on the offensive against the Combine in May 3069, seizing the border worlds of [[Budingen]], [[Goubellat]], [[Schirmeck]], [[Valentina]] and [[Weisau]] from the Combine. This was followed by the arrival of a naval Star in the Galedon system on the 1st of June and the orbital bombardment of a number of military installations on the surface of [[Galedon V]]. The Snow Ravens gave the Galedon civilian castes one week to leave the planet; on the 16th of June the Snow Ravens followed their initial bombardment with a much longer bombardment of the planet's surface, targetting every city on the world in turn. The damage wrought on Galedon's population quickly outgrew that of the infamous [[Kentares Massacre]] and saw the planetary administration on Galedron collapse, along with the bulk of the planet's centralised transport and planetary controls. Even as the Snow Ravens captured 30,000 escaping Galedonians and declared them to be ''[[isorla]]'', a plague on the planet which had broken out during battles between [[AFFS]] and DCMS forces earlier in the year reached epidemic proportions, spreading among the survivors of the bombardment.<ref name="J:FRp47">''Jihad: Final Reckoning'', p. 47, "The Jihad In Review"</ref><br />
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As the Snow Raven forces travelled back to Outworlds Alliance space cases of the plague from Galedon broke out on three of the five WarShips, prompting the forced scuttling of several vessels after a battle in an unnamed Combine system as the Snow Ravens tried to control the plague, which had presumably arrived on their ships via some of the civilians taken prisoner.<ref name="J:FRp47"/><br />
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When reports linking terrorist cells apparently operating from the Alliance world of Dante with the [[Word of Blake]] were confirmed in September 3069 the Snow Ravens lay siege to Dante for a week, alongside units from the [[Alliance Military Corps]]. The approach taken on Dante was considered heavy-handed by a number of Alliance worlds and provoked a political crisis for [[Mitchell Avellar]] when secessionist sentiments rose sharply on a number of Alliance worlds in response.<ref name="J:FRp47">''Jihad: Final Reckoning'', p. 47, "The Jihad In Review"</ref><br />
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In late February [[3075]], diplomats from the [[Federated Suns]] travelled to [[Outworlds Alliance]] space to negotiate with the Snow Ravens. As well as a peace settlement, the negotiators hoped to arrange for the release of captured personnel from the [[3rd Crucis Lancers]] and for the Snow Ravens to contribute aid to the coalition assembled by [[Devlin Stone]]. While the negotiations did result in assurances from the Snow Ravens that they wouldn't strike at the Federated Suns again unless provoked, the Clan refused to contribute to the allied coalition and claimed all of the captured [[AFFS]] personnel as ''isorla''.<ref name="JHS:Tp14+">''Jihad Hot Spots: Terra'', p. 14-15, "Timeline of the Jihad"</ref><ref name="J:FRp53">''Jihad: Final Reckoning'', p. 53, "The Jihad In Review"</ref><br />
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In early November [[3075]] [[Clan Ghost Bear]] sent a delegation led by [[Aletha Kabrinski]] to meet with the Snow Ravens in a bid to negotiate for the Snow Ravens to commit to supporting the coalition, the Ghost Bears having recently agreed to support the coalition themselves. By mid-December these negotiations had been successful and the Ghost Bears were able to launch a second assault on the contested world of Ascella with the assistance of supporting forces from the Snow Ravens.<ref name="JHS:Tp19">''Jihad Hot Spots: Terra'', p. 19, "Timeline of the Jihad"</ref><ref name="J:FRp55">''Jihad: Final Reckoning'', p. 55, "The Jihad In Review"</ref> The Snow Ravens dispatched two naval stars to join the coalition on the 16th of February, with the Snow Raven ships escorting the returning Ghost Bears delegation.<ref name="J:FRp55"/><ref name="JHS:Tp20">''Jihad Hot Spots: Terra'', p. 20, "Timeline of the Jihad"</ref><br />
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The combined Ghost Bear and Snow Raven forces launched a number of major assaults in July and September 3076, with the first wave in July striking at the Protectorate worlds of [[Dyev]], [[Kervil]], [[Ko]], [[Lambrecht]], [[Moore]] and [[Sabik]], followed by a second wave in September that expanded the the combined Clan front against the Protectorate by striking at [[Lyons]], [[Pike IV]] and [[Skandia]].<ref name="JHS:Tp22">''Jihad Hot Spots: Terra'', p. 22, "Timeline of the Jihad"</ref><ref name="J:FRp56">''Jihad: Final Reckoning'', p. 56, "The Jihad In Review"</ref><br />
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Post-Jihad, the Snow Ravens are known to merge with the [[Outworlds Alliance]] government, forming the [[Raven Alliance]], although exact information surrounding this remains unknown.<br />
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==Touman==<br />
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See [[Clan Snow Raven Touman]].<br />
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==Rulers==<br />
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===Khans===<br />
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* [[Stephen McKenna]], [[2807]] - ????<ref>''Historical: Operation Klondike'', p. 71</ref><br />
* [[Ewan McCorkell]], ???? - [[2982]]<ref>''Field Manual: Warden Clans'', p. 120</ref><br />
* [[Liam Howell]], ???? - ????<ref>''Field Manual: Warden Clans'', p. 120</ref><br />
* [[Niamh Sukhanov]], ???? - ????<ref>''Field Manual: Warden Clans'', p. 120</ref><br />
* [[Lynn McKenna]], ???? - [[3080]]<ref>''The Wars of Reaving'', p. 179</ref><br />
* [[Alberto Crow]], 308? - Current<ref>''The Wars of Reaving'', p. 178, 179</ref><ref>''Field Manual: 3085, p. 128</ref><br />
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===saKhans===<br />
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* [[Joyce Merrell]], [[2807]] - ????<ref>''Historical: Operation Klondike'', p. 71</ref><br />
* [[Niamh Sukhanov]], ???? - ????<ref>''Field Manual: Warden Clans'', p. 120</ref><br />
* [[Joseph Crow]], ???? - ????<ref>''Field Manual: Warden Clans'', p. 121</ref><br />
* [[Bryn Cooper]], ???? - 3065<ref>''Field Manual: Warden Clans'', p. 127</ref>,<ref>''Field Manual: Updates'', p.65</ref><br />
* [[Broderick Sukhanov]], 3065 - 307? (It is hard to figure out when he died, since in some places it is implied that he died in March 3071, but then he also shows up alive in December 3071.)<ref>''Masters and Minions: The Starcorps Dossiers'', p.160</ref>, <ref>''Jihad Hot Spots: 3072'', p.21-22, 51</ref><br />
* [[Alberto Crow]], 307? - 308?<ref>''Masters and Minions: The Starcorps Dossiers'', p.159-160</ref><ref>''The Wars of Reaving'', p. 178, 179</ref><br />
* [[Thorsten Magnus]], 308? - Current<ref>''The Wars of Reaving'', p. 178</ref><ref>''Field Manual: 3085, p. 128</ref><br />
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==Old obsolete info==<br />
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'''Snow Raven Demographics''' <br /><br />
Affiliation: Warden (nominal) <br /><br />
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'''Clan Space Worlds:''' <br /><br />
Bearclaw (70 percent) <br /><br />
Brim (19 percent) <br /><br />
Circe (70 percent) <br /><br />
Hellgate (100 percent) <br /><br />
Lum (82 percent) <br /><br />
Capital: Lum <br /><br />
Population (Clan Space): 94,199,000 (3060) <br /><br />
Population growth rate: 2.2 percent (49/27) <br /><br />
Self-Sufficiency Index: 96 percent <br /><br />
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'''Leaders:''' <br /><br />
Khan: Lynn Mckenna <br /><br />
saKhan: Bryn Cooper <br /><br />
Loremaster: Klaus Harper <br /><br />
Scientist-Gneral: Charlotte (von Braun) <br /><br />
Merchant Factor: Louis <br /><br />
Master Technician: Mattias <br /><br />
Senior Laborer: Emili <br /><br />
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'''Military:''' <br /><br />
Clusters: 26 <br /><br />
WarShips: 40 <br /><br />
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==Manufacturing Center==<br />
A detailed list of some Snow Raven manufacturer and companie centers.<br />
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===Heavy Aerospace Industry<ref>''Strategic Operations'', p. 17</ref>===<br />
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* [[Lum Shipyards]]<br />
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== References ==<br />
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==Bibliography==<br />
* ''[https://sites.google.com/site/lumsflyingtigers/ Clan Snow Raven fansite]''<br />
* ''[[Era Digest: Golden Century]]''<br />
* ''[[Field Manual: Warden Clans]]''<br />
* ''[[Field Manual: Updates]]''<br />
* ''[[Field Manual: 3085]]''<br />
* ''[[Historical: Operation Klondike]]''<br />
* ''[[Jihad: Final Reckoning]]''<br />
* ''[[Jihad Hot Spots: 3072]]''<br />
* ''[[Jihad Hot Spots: Terra]]''<br />
* ''[[Masters and Minions: The Starcorps Dossiers]]''<br />
* ''[[Strategic Operations]]''<br />
* ''[The Wars of Reaving]]''<br />
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* '''February 12th:''' The planet [[Paradise#Planetary History|Paradise]] is subjected to extensive nuclear bombardment by Principality of Regulus forces.<br />
* '''June 19th:''' A Taurian Concordat raid on the shipyards at [[Firgrove#Planetary History|Firgrove]] fails.<br />
* '''July 20th:''' A Word of Blake attack on [[Tukayyid#The Jihad|Tukayyid]] is repulsed by Clan Diamond Shark naval forces.<br />
* '''November 30th:''' [[Andiron#Planet History|Andiron]] is attacked by the 49th Shadow Division.<br />
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* '''March 15th:''' Emissaries from the [[Calderon Protectorate#History|Calderon Protectorate]] begin to broker a peace treaty between the Federated Suns and Taurian Concordat.<br />
* '''April 1st:''' [[Tamar#Planetary History|Tamar]] is reestablished as the Clan Wolf capital world.<br />
* '''July 2nd:''' The war between the [[Taurian_Concordat#The_Jihad|Taurian Concordat]] and the Federated Suns ends.<br />
* '''September 1st:''' The [[Tao MechWorks]] plant on Styk is nationalised by the Capellan government.<br />
* '''October 12th:''' The world of [[Lopez#Planetary History|Lopez]] is subjected to sustained asteroid bombardment, rendering the world uninhabitable in days.<br />
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* '''May 11th:''' [[Barbara Sennet]] steps down as Khan of Clan Diamond Shark.<br />
* '''June 14th:''' Field Marshal [[Nathaniel Hasek]] is killed.<br />
* '''June 25th:''' Baron [[Cham Kithrong]] steps down as Regent-Protector of the Calderon Protectorate.<br />
* '''June 25th:''' [[Erik Martens-Calderon]] becomes Protector of the Calderon Protectorate.<br />
* '''October 12th:''' [[Julian Costamayor]] died.<br />
* [[Lynn McKenna]] dies.<br />
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* [[Sphinx#Variants|Sphinx 2]] is deployed by Clan Nova Cat for first time.<br />
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<div>Lynn McKenna (born [[2991]]<ref name=MMp159>''Masters and Minions'', p 159 - "Lynn McKenna, Profile"</ref> - died [[3080]]<ref>''The Wars of Reaving'', p. 179</ref>) was the [[Khan]] of [[Clan Snow Raven]] for several decades after [[Operation Revival]]. She oversaw her Clan's escape from the [[Clan Homeworlds]] during the [[Wars of Reaving]] after the [[Raven Alliance]] became a reality.<ref name=FM:WCp127>''Field manual: Warden Clans'', p. 127 - "Senior Khan Lynn McKenna"</ref><br />
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==Biography==<br />
Described as a very petite woman with short, thick mousy colored hair that whitened with age, Lynn McKenna was born during the height of the [[Political Century]]. She was said to have an air about her that disarmed and relaxed people in her presence, which doubtlessly helped her in her climb through the Machiavellian politics for which her [[Clan]] is so well-known. Throughout her career she typified the Snow Raven ideal, persevering and overcoming adversity by any means at her disposal.<ref name=MMp159/><ref name=FM:WCp127/> <br />
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===Early Life and Training===<br />
McKenna was unusually small for her Bloodline, which is is noted to produce warriors for all branches of the [[Clan Snow Raven Touman]]. This prompted the Snow Raven Warders who raised her ''[[sibko]]'' to regard her as the "runt", and in turn encouraged her sibmates to single her out for harsh treatment. Instead of crumbling under the strain, Lynn McKenna excelled at her studies and training, consistently besting her ''sibko''. She also learned to manipulate those around her from an early age and onward through cadet training, fully understanding what it took to get her sibmates and others to do what she wanted, sometimes even setting them against one another.<ref name=MMp159/><ref name=FM:WCp127/> <br />
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===Khan of the Snow Ravens=== <br />
Lynn McKenna quickly rose through the ranks, and was elected Khan of Clan Snow Raven in [[3045]].<ref name=FM:WCp127/> Only a few years into her reign, the [[Outbound Light]] incident occurred. While she disagreed with the [[Crusader Clans|Crusader]]'s view that the Inner Sphere would be easily conquered by only a few Clans, she and many other Khans voted in favor of action, falling prey to the fear of the [[Great House]]s marching on the [[Kerensky Cluster]]. But before the Trials that determined which Clans would get to invade could take place, her Clan came under attack by the forces of [[Clan Coyote]]'s Gamma Galaxy. Thinking to better their position prior to [[Operation Revival]], the Coyotes were surprised by the stiff resistance put up by the Raven's own [[Gamma_Galaxy_(Clan_Snow_Raven)|Gamma Galaxy]]. The damage done to both Clans would keep them each out of the upcoming invasion of the [[Inner Sphere]], however, the Raven's [[Touman]] fought back hard enough that the Coyotes were forced to disband Gamma [[Galaxy]] only a few years later.<ref name=FM:WCp121>''Field Manual: Warden Clans'', p. 121 - "Birds of Prey"(3048 - 3058)</ref><ref>''Field Manual: Warden Clans'', p. 130 - "Clan Snow Raven, Gamma Galaxy"</ref><ref>''Field Manual: Warden Clans'', p. 51, "Clan Coyote, Epsilon Galaxy"</ref> <br />
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===The Raven and the Falcon===<br />
Missing their chance at the Inner Sphere invasion, the Ravens were not about to miss their true opportunity. Many decades prior, Khan [[Ewan McCorkell]] had realized that the Snow Ravens would not be able to unseat one of the more dominant [[Clan]]s, and had prepared them for that eventuality by trading many older [[BattleMech]]s to [[Clan Blood Spirit]] for three of their unneeded [[WarShip]]s. Khan McKenna would use this increase in her Clan's fleet to their advantage by contracting out ten of their WarShips to [[Clan Jade Falcon]] to provide transport and escort services during the invasion. In return, the Ravens were granted trade concessions on ''[[Isorla]]'' and other goods brought back to the [[Clan Homeworlds]]. Over the next several years, this agreement would allow the Ravens to catapult their status from the margins of Clan Society into a far greater position.<ref name=FM:WCp121/><br />
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After the death of [[ilKhan]] [[Leo Showers]] in [[3051]], the [[Invading Clans]] returned to Clanspace in order to elect a new ilKhan. Jade Falcon Khan [[Elias Crichell]] proposed that the two Clans enter a formal alliance, offering genetic materials, technical knowledge and finally, the world of [[Hellgate]]. Khan McKenna jumped at the chance to regain the colony that they had lost to the [[Clan Steel Viper]] over one hundred years prior. She sent [[saKhan]] [[Joseph Crow]] - himself a Crusader - to work out the details, which would extend the WarShip contract to ten years. Though many within the Snow Ravens would challenge her and saKhan Crow, McKenna held her Clan to the honorably struck bargain.<ref name=FM:WCp121/><ref name=FM:CCp92>''Field Manual: Crusader Clans'', p. 92 - "Taking Wing: Operation Revival and Beyond"</ref> <br />
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===Family Politics===<br />
This state of affairs came to a head when the death of the head of the McKenna [[Bloodname]] House died in [[3055]]. A call was issued to all Bloodnamed warriors to return to the Raven capital world of [[Lum]] to vote for a new leader. All warriors answered the call, except for one: Nerran McKenna, who fought as ''[[abtakha]]'' for Clan Jade Falcon, was not allowed back. The Jade Falcons cited various military reasons as well as the incredible distances involved (an eight month journey via command circuit) as their primary reason for disallowing him to return for this vital function. Khan McKenna and the Snow Ravens took a different view; they saw it as Jade Falcon interference in the internal workings of their Clan, essentially a mortal insult. The Snow Raven took the opportunity to break off their alliance, though the [[Grand Council]] allowed them to retain Hellgate and the offered genetic material as recompense. The WarShip deal would stay in place for the duration of the agreement, however, Khan McKenna refused to offer any additional support.<ref name=FM:WCp121/><ref name=FM:CCp92/> <br />
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===Homeworld Losses and Gains===<br />
Though many Clans hoped to take part in a renewed invasion, Khan McKenna and the Snow Ravens would opt instead to stay out of [[Asa Taney]]'s so-called [[Home Clan Coalition]], acknowledging that the invader Clans would not tolerate interlopers if they could possibly prevent it. SaKhan Joseph Crow thought to upset the Jade Falcons in several attacks that took place in late [[3058]] and [[3059]], but instead lost two [[Cluster]]s to them in the [[Harvest Trials]] - along with several smaller units lost to [[Clan Wolf]] - which resulted in Khan McKenna ordering her troops to stand down from any more engagements with either Clan.<ref name=FM:WCp121,122>''Field Manual: Warden Clans'', p. 121, 122 - "Recent Events"(3058 - 3060)</ref><ref>''Field Manual: Crusader Clans'', p. 93 - "Power Games: Preparations for War (3059)"</ref> <br />
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She would instead concentrate on territory to be gained during events in the Clan Homeworlds. In the wake of the [[Trial of Annihilation|Annihilation]] of [[Clan Smoke Jaguar]] by [[Task Force Serpent]] and the subsequent [[Trial of Abjuration|Abjuration]] of [[Clan Nova Cat]], Khan McKenna would authorize her naval forces to assist the Nova Cats in their flight from the Kerensky Cluster, much to the chagrin of many of her fellow Khans. The Snow Ravens also had a good idea about the [[Clan Ghost Bear]] withdrawal to the Inner Sphere, having helped them design the ''[[Leviathan]]'' class transports (which would later be converted back into Battleships as originally designed) that made the move possible. In each case, her Clan made substantial gains; on [[Circe]] from enclaves formerly controlled by the Jaguars and the Nova Cats, as well as on [[Bearclaw]] and its associated asteroid mining operations, which the Ghost Bears gifted to the Ravens for their aid assisting them on their clandestine exodus. She would also order an expeditionary force to [[Homer]], taking the former Jaguar enclave their, and coming into conflict with their old enemies, the Steel Vipers.<ref name=FM:WCp121,122/><br />
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===Moving on Out===<br />
However substantial these gains were - gains that nearly doubled their land holdings amongst the contentious Clans - they would not be enough for Khan McKenna's plans. With her Clan having grown dependent on resources supplied by trade agreements with the Jade Falcons and the Ghost Bears, trade agreements that were no longer in place or feasible, she would next authorize her merchant navy to secure new sources to supply her rapidly growing Clan. After taking the world of [[Farstar]] in the [[Deep Periphery]] and gathering intelligence on both the [[Draconis Combine]] and the [[Federated Suns]] from intelligence personal that were stationed on the world, the Raven fleet ventured further rimward, toward [[Outworlds Alliance]] territory. In [[3064]], they encountered a patrol from that Periphery nation, actually losing a Trial of Possession to the highly skilled [[Alliance Aerospace Group]]. The two sides entered negotiations, initially for a base of operations within the OA in order to more easily explore towards the Hyades Rim. As a result, the Ravens were allowed to use the world of [[Baliggora]] as a base of operations, in exchange for medical and bio technology as well as a relatively small amount of technical assistance, which in turn resulted in the development of the Outworlders' ''[[Corax]]'' OmniFighter, named in honor of their new Clan allies.<ref name=FM:WCp121,122/><ref name=FM:Up64>''Field Manual: Updates'', p. 64 - "Clan Snow Raven"</ref><ref>''The Wars of Reaving'', p. 20 - "Ravens in the Outworlds"</ref><br />
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After the massive Steel Viper attack on Lum in [[3065]] (in which new saKhan [[Bryn Cooper]] died while attempting to destroy fleeing elements of the Vipers), these talks deepened. Khan McKenna knew that her Clan's best hope was to escape the Clan Homeworlds - just as their allies, the Ghost Bears, had done. Quietly, her Clan prepared itself for this eventuality, procuring an agreement from the Outworlders for possession of the massive former Star League fleet base and orbital facilities at [[Quatre Belle]].<ref name=FM:Up64/><ref>''The Wars of Reaving'', p. 22 - ''Periphery Plots''</ref> <br />
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The next few years were busy as Raven Homeworld assets began to be shifted to their new grounds in the Inner Sphere. After the initial attacks nuclear attacks on [[Tharkad]] and [[New Avalon]] in [[3067]] during what would come to be known as the [[Jihad]], Khan McKenna proposed a plan to the [[Grand Council]] to launch a new invasion, to help provide cover for an acceleration of her Clan's moving process. The vote would fail, but Raven preparations would still continue. The Ravens would also agree to construct a small mobile shipyard for the Hells Horses at this time, helping yet another Clan to exit the Clan Homeworlds.<ref>''The Wars of Reaving'', p. "31 - "Cracks in the Foundation</ref><ref>''The Wars of Reaving'', p. 33 - "Secret Moves, Secret Worlds"</ref><br />
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Events continued to escalate amongst the [[Home Clans]]. After losing Zeta Galaxy to Clan Blood Spirit in a Trial of Possession fought on [[Strana Mechty]], the Ravens would enrage [[Clan Star Adder]] upon delivering Zeta to York, which helped the Blood Spirits to retake lost territory.<ref>''The Wars of Reaving'', p. 33 - "Secret Moves, Secret Worlds"</ref> <br />
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===Jihad and Revenge===<br />
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==Bibliography==<br />
* ''[[Field Manual: Updates]]''<br />
* ''[[Field Manual: Warden Clans]]''<br />
* ''[[Masters and Minions]]''<br />
* ''[[The Wars of Reaving]]<br />
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'''Diane Anu''' (Born [[3025]])<ref>''Masters and Minions'', p. 129 - Diane Anu's profile notes her birthday.</ref> - [[Clan Jade Falcon]] Trueborn [[MechWarrior]], Officer, [[saKhan]] and [[Galaxy Commander]].<br />
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[[File:Diane Anu.jpg|right|thumb|At Age of 51 in 3076]]<br />
==Character Description==<br />
Diane was known to be a driven and inquisitive woman, whom would pour her energies into studying subjects with a passion. She was noted for taking pride in commanding a BattleMechs and mastery of tactics of fighting with them in her youth. She would go beyond simple studying of being a warrior, but range of other things maintenance to rebuilding a shattered engine.<ref>''Masters and Minions'', p. 129 - Profile describes her personality as of 3077.</ref><br />
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==History==<br />
===Early Life and Clan Invasion===<br />
Diane possesses an innate talent for piloting 'Mechs and Strategy allow her to move up ranks with few enemies to become Star Colonel of the [[5th Battle (Clan Jade Falcon)|5th Battle Cluster]].<br />
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Her Cluster, assigned to the [[Gamma Galaxy (Clan Jade Falcon)|Gamma Galaxy]], was among units selected to participate in Clan's long awaited return to the [[Inner Sphere]] in [[3050]].<ref>''Masters and Minions: The StarCorp Dossiers'', p. 129 - Diane Anu's profile gleams some details of rise to command based on her character and talents.</ref><ref>''Jade Falcon Sourcebook'', p. 75 - Brief profile on Star Colonel Diane Anu.</ref><br />
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===The Refusal War and its Aftermath===<br />
Diana's 5th Battle would be called in to assist the defense of Woton against the Wolves in December of [[3057]]. In the ugly Battle for Borealtown, her unit would destroyed in the fighting. However, her unit would be among the units that Khan [[Marthe Pryde]] would reconstitute in its aftermath with unblooded warriors. The unit would be retained as part Epsilon Galaxy, as its Galaxy Commander Rard Hoyt would have to fight Trials to keep Galaxy designated against other sunder Galaxies component are merged with them.<ref>''Field Manual: Crusader Clans'', p. 105 Epsilon Galaxy - 5th Battle Cluster/Epsilon Galaxy - unit background in aftermath of the Refusal war, it was destroyed and was on Woton though not listed in other sources.</ref><ref>''The Falcon and the Wolf'', p. 32 In the Falcon's Nest - Falcon forces fought in brutal battle of Borealtown are noted for being 80% destroyed. 5th Battle Cluster is not noted mentioned in this sourcebook.</ref> <br />
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===The Coventry Campaign===<br />
Shortly after her unit is reformed, it would be selected as part of Khan [[Marthe Pryde|Marthe Pryde's]] expedition to [[Lyran Alliance|Lyran]] world of [[Coventry]]. The expedition leaving in January 30th, [[3058]], Diane's unit would be part one of four task forces penetrating into the Alliance's space. <br />
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During their taskforce's voyage, their task force would make a stop in the her unit [[Neerabup]], where they would chosen take on the system's defending force. On February 10th, her Cluster's would land and fight a determined [[Neerabup Melissia Theater Militia|Neerabup PMM]]. The Militia force take position from what they viewed as their most strategically important site on planet, their command's compound. Her force would engage with militia to their surprise into a impressive show force. Cluster eventually would overcome the Inner Sphere command, would be impressed by Militia's unit bravery. Various members of the Cluster would induct Militia's members as [[bondsman|bondsmen]] as way to honor their bravey.<ref>''Operational Turning Points: Falcon Incursion'', p. 13, 21 - Diane Anu's 5th Battle Cluster's early actions in the Coventry Campaign, including battle on Neerabup.</ref><ref>''Field Manual: Lyran Alliance'', p. 117 - Neerabup MTM - Unit's information includes battle when they were taken by Falcon's forces. Diane's unit is not yet named as their captures.</ref><br />
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On Coventry, her force would be regulated in defensive action during remains of the conflict. Among her unit's actions would include on April 5th, elements of her cluster garrisoning a warehouse attacked by elements of the [[10th Skye Rangers]]. However, she would pull her forces from warehouse to meet new threat arriving on planet, Inner Sphere reinforcements had arrived. <br />
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She and rest her fellow Cluster commanders would be summon to hold Port St. Williams from the three mercenary regiments and the remains of the Coventry's defense forces. After expedition had ended, her Cluster would remain under strength.<ref>''Field Manual: Crusading Clans'', p. 105 5th Battle Cluster, Diane Anu's unit's exploits on Coventry briefly noted.</ref><ref>''Battle of Coventry'', p. 8 - History of Coventry campaign includes the mentioning of the Diane's 5th Battle Cluster.</ref><ref>''Historical Turning Points: Falcon Incursion'', p. 8 - Incursion history includes events at end of the time on Coventry.</ref><br />
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===Lyran Alliance Invasion===<br />
During the [[FedCom Civil War]] in May [[3064]], Khan Pryde would launch an [[Jade Falcon Incursion (3064)|new expedition]] into the Lyran Alliance. Diane and her 5th Battle Cluster at time were stationed on [[Hot Springs]] as part of their garrison assignment. In November, a Lyran taskforce lead by [[General]] [[Adam Steiner]] would arrive on Hot Springs wage a [[Trial of Possession]] for the planet. During this campaign, Diane would give them a good and tough fight using Inner-Sphere tactics despite being out numbered.<br />
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Eventually, the Lyran force would withdraw from the planet, the General Steiner needing to aid other Lyran task force on [[Blackjack]] after month of fighting. After effecting eliminating threat on planet, she would take her elements of her Cluster with elements from the [[18th Falcon Regulars (Clan Jade Falcon)|18th Falcon Regulars]] and [[9th Talon (Clan Jade Falcon)|9th Falcon Talons]] to retake [[Butler]] in December.<ref>''FedCom Civil War (sourcebook)'', pp. 120, 186 - Diane Anu credited for her tactics during Hot Spring's occupation and her leading her force reclaim Butler later.</ref> After the conflict members of her Clan would be disgusted by her use of Inner Sphere tactic and yet praised at the same time holding planet.<ref>''Field Manual: Updates'', p. 48 - Epsilon Galaxy - Star Colonel Diane Anu is her performance on Hot Springs.</ref><br />
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===Early Jihad and Actions during the Ice Hellion Invasion===<br />
Shortly after the [[Jihad]] began, Diane would be promoted to take command of Epsilon Galaxy in place her old commander Rard Hoyt. <br />
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She would lead her galaxy which had been scattered among worlds they had garrisoning against [[Operation: Ice Storm|the invasion]] of the [[Clan Ice Hellion|Ice Hellions]] and [[Clan Hell's Horses|Hell's Horses]]. Her forces in early years of the conflict in June [[3071]] loosing and attempting regain worlds lost to Hell's Horses advance into their Clan's Occupation Zone. Diane would help get her galaxy together focus pushing off the invaders off [[Steelton]] in October.<ref>''Jihad Secrets: The Blake Documents'', pp. 29-30 Operation: Ice Storm - Epsilon Galaxy actions during the conflict.</ref> Her philosophy of hitting enemy where it hurts and not letting up on them server her well during the invasion. <br />
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During last stages of the conflict, Diane would take part in the assault on [[Vantaa]] in [[3072]]. Diane would lead her forces in hit & run attacks which took advantage of Hellion's methods of warfare. She would be noted for leading two clusters worth of troops against Ice Hellions' positions in an Blitzkrieg style assault against them.<ref>''Masters and Minions'', pp. 126,129 Gutting the Enemy & Diane Anu's profile - Diane actions on Vantaa are noted and highlighted.</ref> <br />
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After Hellion's invasion ended, she would advocate for her Galaxy with Naval support should return to the [[Kerensky Cluster|Home Worlds]] reclaim Falcon's worlds lost as well seek revenge against Hellions. However, her request is turned down by Khan Pryde, despite her quite advocating for further action.<ref>''Masters and Minions'', p. 129 - Profile describes her bio describes how she wish lead retaliation raid against the Hellions.</ref> <br />
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===Late Jihad and Post-Jihad era===<br />
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After saKhan [[Uvin Buhallin]] was killed on [[Graus]], the Falcons elected Diane as the new saKhan. The other candidate was [[Quinn Kerensky]].<ref>''The Wars of Reaving'', p. 177</ref><ref>''Field Manual: 3085'', p. 118</ref><br />
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==Titles and Positions==<br />
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{{s-bef|before = [[Rard Hoyt]]}}<br />
{{s-title|title = Galaxy Commander of [[Epsilon Galaxy (Clan Jade Falcon)|Epsilon Galaxy]]|years=[[3071]] &ndash; ????}}<br />
{{s-aft|after = ????}}<br />
{{s-bef|before = [[Uvin Buhallin]]}}<br />
{{s-title|title = saKhan of [[Clan Jade Falcon]]|years=308? &ndash; ????}}<br />
{{s-aft|after = ????}}<br />
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==Notes==<br />
Diane is noted for being a [[Thor|Thor/Summoner]] pilot during the Clan Invasion.<ref>''Clan Jade Falcon'', p. 73 - Diane Anu's 'Mech listed with her unit listings in the original Jade Falcon Sourcebook.</ref> It is unclear when she assumed command of the 5th Battle or what battles she was in command. A Star Colonel Evalk Mattlov is mentioned in 5th Battle Cluster's actions in March of 3050 in the invasion of [[Winfield]]. Due to the only inclusion of 5th Battle Cluster, it suggests that Evin Buhallin was its commander at time of this battle.<ref>''Jade Falcon Sourcebook'', p. 37 - Winfield - 5th Battle Cluster entry suggests different commanding officer at the time of its invasion. Diana had not been its commanding officer, but unclear when.</ref><br />
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==Rules==<br />
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===Game Rules===<br />
The sourcebook Master and Minions grants character specific abilities to Diane RPG setting and regular table top combat. In RPG play, her character is considered a regular rated Technician, she would be able to do maintenance should it been needed. While in command of a force, she grants it's a +2 Initiative, and enables the [[Force Specific Rules|Force Specific Ability]] [[Overrun Combat]] ability. If in command, her force will not follow strict Clan rules of [[Zellbrigen|zellbrigen]]. Should her BattleMech take a pilot hit, she is able to ignore that first hit of damage.<ref>''Masters and Minions: The StarCorp Dossiers'', p. 258 - Character Specific Abilities.</ref><br />
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==References==<br />
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==Bibliography==<br />
*''[[FedCom Civil War (sourcebook)]]''<br />
*''[[Field Manual: Crusader Clans]]''<br />
*''[[Field Manual: Updates]]''<br />
*''[[Field Manual: 3085]]''<br />
*''[[Jade Falcon Sourcebook]]''<br />
*''[[Jihad Secrets: The Blake Documents]]''<br />
*''[[Masters and Minions: The StarCorps Dossiers]]''<br />
*''[[The Falcon and the Wolf]]''<br />
*''[[The Wars of Reaving]]''<br />
*''[[Battle of Coventry (scenario pack)|The Battle of Coventry]]''<br />
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| factionname = Clan Jade Falcon<br />
| timeperiod = [[2807]] &ndash; Present<br />
| classification = [[Clan]]<br />
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| rulertitle = [[Khan]]<br />
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'''Clan Jade Falcon''' is an ardent [[Crusader Clans|Crusader Clan]] who traditionally views [[Clan Wolf]] as their most hated rival. The Jade Falcons recognize four founding members: [[Lisa Buhallin]], [[Daniel Mattlov]], [[Carl Icaza]], and [[Elizabeth Hazen]]. Elizabeth Hazen is the one most well-regarded by the clan, for she is believed to have been the [[Legend of Turkina|first to tame]] a jade falcon, a genetically engineered mix of peregrine and gyrfalcon, designed to combat native pests on the [[Clans|Clan]] colonial worlds. Hazen's jade falcon was named Turkina, and the stories of the two are the foundation for much of her Clan's [[Legend_of_Turkina|myths]].<br />
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==The Founders==<br />
'' Praised be the Founders of Clan Jade Falcon!''<br />
:'' Daniel Mattlov,''<br />
:'' From him came the fire of the first Falcons.''<br />
:'' Carl Icaza,''<br />
:'' From him came the stubbornness and strengh,''<br />
:'' Lisa Buhallin,''<br />
:'' From her came the will to remember''<br />
:'' But all hail mighty Elizabeth Hazen and Turkina''<br />
:'' As first among equals,''<br />
:'' For she was the first Khan''<br />
:'' And Turkina her winged soul.''<br />
:'' From them came our spirit and destiny.''<br />
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-- From the Jade Falcon Invocation.<ref name="Clan Jade Falcon">''Clan Jade Falcon'', p. 8</ref><br />
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==Clan Statement==<br />
"We are Jade Falcon, great among the Clans. We are warriors who fight with the strength of the falcons claw and ascend to the heavens on the wings of the same. We remember with the clarity of falcon-sight the words of Kerensky. Through the smoke of time he speaks to us, his chosen, and urges us onward with the promise of Eden. We will retake what is ours by right, that shining jewel Terra. Not the vastness of space nor the Wolf’s obstinate howl will stay us from our righteous goal. We are Crusaders and will trample all who stand in our way!"<ref>''Field Manual: Crusader Clans'', p. 96</ref><br />
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==Clan Description==<br />
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The strictly traditionalist Crusaders of Clan Jade Falcon have long resented and been envious of [[Clan Wolf]] for their strength, holdings, and (most of all) possession of the coveted Kerensky [[Bloodname]]. The Jade Falcons participated in the initial [[Clan Invasion |invasion]] of the [[Inner Sphere]] and seized many Lyran worlds from the [[Federated Commonwealth]]. They were the first Clan to taste defeat at the hands of Inner Sphere forces, losing on [[Twycross]] in [[3050]]. Achieving a draw with the [[ComGuards]] on [[Tukayyid]], they schemed and plotted to undo the Truce. They were nearly destroyed by their [[Refusal War]] with the Wolves in an attempt to do just that. They lost many warriors and both of their Khans in subsequent politicking. Their new khan launched a daring strike at [[Coventry]] in the [[Lyran Alliance]] and managed to restore the Jade Falcons' strength by winning possession of other Crusader units in the [[Harvest Trials]]. The Jade Falcons beat the ComGuards during the [[Great Refusal]] on [[Strana Mechty]] and then pushed the [[Clan Steel Viper|Steel Viper]]s out of their Occupation Zone; after that, they seized (and lost) several more Lyran worlds during the [[FedCom Civil War]]. They still eye [[Terra]] and have not given up hope of claiming it. <br />
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==History==<br />
===Founding===<br />
In June of [[2807]], former [[Major-General]] [[Nicholas Kerensky]] declared the formation of the twenty [[Clan|Clans]] that would represent the 20 colony worlds of the [[Kerensky Cluster]]. Thus [[Clan Jade Falcon]] was born with its 40 Bloodname warriors.<ref>''Historical: Operation Klondike'', p. 24, "Building a New Society"</ref> Named for genetically modified Falcon, known as the [[Jade Falcon (species)|Jade Falcon]].<br />
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===Operation Klondike===<br />
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===Operation Revival===<br />
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Clan Jade Falcon launched the first of five major assualt waves on the [[Inner Sphere]] on March 20th, [[3050]] with attacks on 10 [[Federated Commonwealth]] planets. Their second wave of attacks began in May 3050 and conquered 12 worlds from the Federated Commonwealth, meeting minimal resistance. Due to supply problems, the third wave of attacks was directed at only 5 worlds. The supply problem was fixed and in the fourth wave, 15 planets were to be attacked, but the Clan faced some setbacks, including the FedCom counter-attack on [[Twycross]] and the death of the staunch Crusader [[ilKhan]] [[Leo Showers]]. This caused Jade Falcon and the other Clans to withdraw all [[Bloodname|Bloodnamed]] troops to [[Strana Mechty]] to elect a new ilKhan. After a year of peace, the Falcons were jointly paired with [[Clan Steel Viper]] to continue the invasion, in November [[3051]]. Clan Steel Viper won bidding rights for assaults on three worlds, and won [[Trial of Possession|Trials of Possession]] for another two worlds. Out of the original seven worlds selected for the fifth wave assault, the Jade Falcons were only allowed to assault and claim two. At [[Tukayyid]], the Falcons were outfought by the [[ComGuards]], resulting in a tactical draw. [[Aidan Pryde]] of the [[Falcon Guards]] was responsible for much of the positive outcomes of the battle.<br />
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===Refusal War=== <br />
In [[3057]], [[Ulric Kerensky]], [[ilKhan]] of the [[Clans]], was accused of genocide against the Clans by negotiating the [[Truce of Tukayyid]] because generations of Clan warriors would be denied the chance at warfare against the [[Inner Sphere]]. [[Khan]] [[Elias Crichell]] of the Jade Falcons led the [[Crusader]] faction of the [[Grand Council]] against the [[Warden]] faction of ilKhan Kerensky. If ilKhan Kerensky were to be found guilty, then the Truce of Tukayyid would be revoked and the Jade Falcons would be prepared to renew the invasion with the goal of becoming [[ilClan]].<ref name="F&W12">''Falcon and Wolf'', p. 12</ref><br />
On August 8th, 3057, the Grand Council found Ulric guilty. Ulric declared a [[Trial of Refusal]]. He bid the entire Clan Wolf ''touman'' against the entirety of Clan Jade Falcon in a ploy to destroy the Crusaders in his own ranks and weaken the forces of one of the strongest Crusader Clans.<ref name="CWoK22">''The Clans: Warriors of Kerensky'', p. 22</ref><br />
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===Rebuilding and Conventry===<br />
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===Great Refusal===<br />
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===Incursion of 3064===<br />
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===Jihad===<br />
During the early stages of the [[Jihad]], the Jade Falcons launched another attack on the Lyran Alliance; the first planet to be seized was [[Graus]], captured on the 7th of October [[3068]]. The Jade Falcons followed this up with attacks that conquered [[Black Earth]], [[Blackjack]], [[Blue Hole]] and [[Roadside]] by late January [[3069]]. The Falcons would continue to take worlds from the Lyrans throughout [[3069]] and [[3070]], although [[Clan Wolf]] launched an invasion of their own, shadowing the Falcon's advances. The Wolves also snapped up three Falcon worlds during the first two weeks of March 3069: [[Bessarabia]], [[Biota]] and [[Cusset]].<ref name="J:FRp46">''Jihad: Final Reckoning'', p. 46, "The Jihad In Review"</ref> Despite losing these three worlds to the Wolves, the Falcons pressed on against the Lyrans, capturing [[Mkuranga]] and [[Pasig]] between the 10th and 14th of June 3069 and [[Deia]] on the 15th of August.<ref name="J:FRp47">''Jihad: Final Reckoning'', p. 47, "The Jihad In Review"</ref> The Falcons launched an attack on [[Zanderij]] in the second week of June 3070, but the campaign wouldn't be a quick occupation; defending LAAF and Clan Wolf-in-Exile forces pushed the Falcons back off Zanderij on the 12th of August.<ref name="J:FRp48">''Jihad: Final Reckoning'', p. 48, "The Jihad In Review"</ref> An attack on the heavily fortified world of [[Great X]] also didn't go the Falcon's way, turning instead into a grinding quagmire of a campaign.<ref name="J:FRp49">''Jihad: Final Reckoning'', p. 49, "The Jihad In Review"</ref><br />
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The Falcon campaign against the Lyrans slowed in [[3071]]; after attacking [[Morges]] on the 8th of February, the Falcons found themselves the target of attacks from [[Clan Hell's Horses]], who had been seizing Periphery worlds from [[Clan Wolf]] for some months. The Falcons attacked the Horses on [[Steelton]] in the second week in April, while also sending a small force to [[Arc-Royal]] under a flag of truce. The last ten days of April saw the Falcons invaded themselves, as [[Clan Ice Hellion]] launched a two-part invasion of the Falcon Occupation Zone that would tie up the Falcon touman for some months.<ref name="J:FRp49">''Jihad: Final Reckoning'', p. 49, "The Jihad In Review"</ref><br />
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On the 15th of May [[3076]] the Jade Falcon Khan, [[Marthe Pryde]], was assassinated on Sudeten by unidentified agents.<ref name="JHS:Tp22">''Jihad Hot Spots: Terra'', p. 22, "Timeline of the Jihad"</ref><ref name="J:FRp56">''Jihad: Final Reckoning'', p. 56, "The Jihad In Review"</ref><br />
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===Peacetime prior to the HPG Blackout===<br />
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===Dark Age & Republic Incursion===<br />
====Jade Falcon Incursion of the Republic====<br />
In March [[3134]], seeing an opportunity caused by the collapse of the [[HPG]] network, the Falcons made an incursion into the [[Republic of the Sphere]], this expedition force consisted of [[Turkina Keshik]], [[Delta Galaxy (Clan Jade Falcon)|Delta]] and [[Zeta Galaxy (Clan Jade Falcon)|Zeta Galaxies]].<ref>''Blood of Isle'', p. 32</ref> The Expedition lead by the political JF radicals known as the "Mongols". The expedition masqueraded their expedition under the guise of hunting the Clan splinter group, the [[Steel Wolves]]. The invasion focus on the [[Prefecture IX]], where captured a string of worlds, in the two Prefectures and single Lyran Commonwealth world of [[Chaffee]].<ref>''Flight of the Falcon'', p. 93</ref> The Prefecture weaken by uprising and defection of its own Prefecture forces, principally the [[Stormhammers]] sprinter group. Expedition splinter apart by galaxy and capture number worlds until they meet at [[Skye]]. In what was named as the 1st Battle for Skye, the Falcon forces utilized its assets, including its WarShip, the [[Nightlord#named_vessels|Emerald Talon]] cover the expedition's landings in August. On the group, the Falcons forces were tricked and out maneuvered by the desperate Republican forces & its allies lead by Prefect [[Tara Campbell]].<ref>''Flight of the Falcon'', p. 279</ref> <br />
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However, after months of regrouping, Falcon forces resume their battle for Skye in October.<ref>''Blood of Skye'', p. 162</ref> Allied Republican and splinter forces attempt to disrupt Falcon's supply chain by liberating various worlds controlled by Expedition. Expedition's military leader, "Khan" [[Malvina Hazen]] uses nuclear weapons to disrupt electronics in planet's capital force the defenders out.<ref>''Blood of Skye'', p. 175</ref> Jade Falcon's Emerald Talon is badly damage and forced off as reinforcements lead by the Lyran Commonwealth's WarShip, [[Mjolnir#Named Vessels|LAS ''Yggdrasil'']].<ref>''Blood of Skye'', p. 221</ref> However in late December, despite their best efforts Falcon forces were able to overwhelm Skye's defenders and win control of the planet, forcing them to withdraw from the planet.<ref>''Blood of Skye'', p. 278</ref><br />
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====A Rending of Falcons: Jade Falcon Civil War====<br />
Year after establishing the Falcon's Reaches, Malvina Hazen leads the bulk of the Expedition back to Clan Jade Falcon's Occupation Zone, where she conducts [[Trial of Possession]] against Khan [[Jana Pryde]] for control the Clan in September, [[3135]].<ref>''A Rending of Falcons'', p. 56</ref> However, Loremaster [[Julia Buhallin]] denies Malvina her trial. In turn, Malvina declares herself Khan and goes about fighting claim the Occupation Zone herself and her expedition.<ref>''A Rendering of Falcons'', p. 113</ref> By December, Falcons forces had been fighting around the Occupation Zone, favoring Malvina in her success with Clan Hell's Horses allies. Khan Pryde musters the entire Jade Falcon Touman at [[Sudeten]] to route out Malvinas' forces. The Khans meet in a officiated Trial of Possession in space against one another in early April. In brutal battle in 'Mechs, Malvina kills Jana and official gains Khanship of the Clan.<ref>''A Rendering of Falcons'', p. 291</ref> She then orders the baldy damaged Emerald Talon to crash into the planetary capital of Sudeten to eliminate Clan's fighting political rivals.<ref>''A Rendering of Falcons'', p. 306</ref> Shortly after, she kills her Clan Hell's Horses ally [[Manas Amirault]] in Trial of Possession for Mongrel doctrine and control of the Fire Horse Galaxy.<ref>''A Rendering of Falcons'', p. 309</ref><br />
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== Exclusive Jade Falcon Bloodnames ==<br />
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[[Image:Clanjadefalconbanner.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Banner of Clan Jade Falcon.]]<br />
General Bloodnames:<br />
::Chistu<br />
::Hazen<br />
::Malthus<br />
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[[MechWarrior]]s:<br />
::Buhallin<br />
::Helmer<br />
::Pryde<br />
::Roshak<br />
::Mattlov<br />
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[[Elemental]]s:<br />
::Icaza<br />
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Pilots:<br />
::Binetti<br />
::Thastus<br />
::Von Jankmon<br />
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== Social Structure of Clan Jade Falcon ==<br />
'''Clan Jade Falcon''' is founded on a caste-based martial society, which divides people into several distinct groups. The highest caste is the warrior caste, where [[MechWarrior]]s, pilots, and genetically enhanced infantry called [[Elemental]]s command the greatest respect. Warriors are genetically bred through steel wombs, where the genetic material from prominent warriors is combined to create a unique batch of children who are thought to be superior in combat. These children, or [[sibko]]s, go through a variety of tests for their first 20 years, at the end of which they will be judged to be warriors or not.<br />
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Below the warriors are the techs, who keep the [[BattleMech]]s, aerospace fighters, and armored infantry functioning. While they are essential to the society, most warriors look down on techs as inferiors and less valuable members of society. Roughly parallel to the techs is the Scientist caste, where biologists, engineers, and researchers determine how to further enhance Clan Jade Falcon's already-considerable gene pool, armament, and technological progress.<br />
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Below the scientists and techs are the merchants, who conduct trade with other [[Clans]] and, covertly, states and trading houses from the [[Inner Sphere]]. While they are rarely seen, the merchants provide the industrial and transportation backbone for the Clans.<br />
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At the lowest level of Clan Jade Falcon are the laborers, who do manual labor and jobs too demeaning for other caste members.<br />
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==Manufacturing Center==<br />
A detailed list of some Jade Falcon manufacturer and companie centers.<br />
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===Major Defense Industries<ref>''Tactical Operations'', p. 15</ref>===<br />
====3067====<br />
* [[Olivetti Weaponry]]<br />
* [[Red Devil Industries]]<br />
* [[Trellshire Heavy Industries]]<br />
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== Military Structure of Clan Jade Falcon ==<br />
The military structure (or [[Touman]]) of Clan Jade Falcon, like most [[Clans]], is split up into groups: Naval and Ground.<br />
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=== Naval Structure ===<br />
Clan Jade Falcon has numerous [[WarShip]], [[JumpShip]], and [[DropShip]] assets to control space and transport troops to landing sites. Destroyers, Cruisers, and Battleships have been observed within the Naval hierarchy, which, combined with assault dropships, can successfully defend most of the Clan's holdings in both the [[Inner Sphere]] and the Clan homeworlds. Naval commanders, however, are considered inferior to the Jade Falcon ground troops. While they are genetically bred warriors, the focus of combat personnel has always been the [[MechWarrior]] on the ground.<br />
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=== Ground Military Structure ===<br />
Jade Falcons esteem [[MechWarrior]]s above all other combat personnel, and see their MechWarriors as the ultimate result of their breeding practices. Their MechWarriors are brash, fierce, and unrelenting. While subtlety is rare among the Jade Falcons, their relentless drive to crush the enemy is a potent force. MechWarriors will often take incredible risks, sometimes failing, but often gaining victory or a heroic death that ensures their genetic legacy will live on among future generations.<br />
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Jade Falcon [[Elemental]]s are thought highly of as well, with particular attention paid to tenacity and endurance. During their initial sweep into the [[Inner Sphere]], Jade Falcon Elementals played an integral part in capturing and maintaining order among hostile worlds.<br />
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While pilots of aerospace fighters are not as highly respected as MechWarriors, they are still warriors and rank above the other castes.<br />
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=== Terminology ===<br />
Within Clan Jade Falcon, several terms are used to describe given organizations. Some of them are listed below:<br />
==== Combat Unit Terminology ====<br />
Until after [[Operation Revival]], the Falcon Touman had its own designation for its unit/force make up which was unique to Falcons. These designation for [[Star (Clan)|Stars]], are usually used as part of a Star's name. Per a mission or campaign, Trinaries and Stars are renamed for their temporary mission function.<ref>''Jade Falcon Sourcebook'', p. 45, "Jade Falcon Unit Designation/Star Types"</ref><br />
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===== Permanent Unit Designations =====<br />
*Com - Command Star, usually reserve for large Cluster and Galaxy formations.<br />
*Beak - A Star composed of medium-heavy 'Mechs - Note: Beak was typically used for mix weight classes beyond what is designated here.<br />
*Eyrie - A Star composed of wide mix assortment of weight classes of 'Mechs. Sometimes called Beak Star.<br />
*[[Nova (unit)|Nova]] - Double Star formation, which has seperate combat unit types, ('Mech/Elemental/Fighter/Combat Vehicle) per type. Nova name was designation only unique to Falcon in manners of naming its units are combinations.<br />
*Strider - A Star composed of Infantry/Battle Armor.<br />
*Talon - A Star composed of heavy to Assault weight 'Mechs<br />
*Wing - A Star composed of Aerospace Fighters<br />
*Mix - A Star which has [[Point (Clan)|Points]] compose of differient unit types (Vehicle infantry/Battle Armor/fighters etc.).<br />
*Dark Wing - Jade Falcon name for Solahma Unit.<ref>''Field Manual: Crusader Clans'', p. 95, "Falcon Unit Designations"</ref><br />
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===== Temporary Unit Designations =====<br />
*Hold - Rear Guard Unit, who's mission it is to tie up the enemy's advance.<br />
*Probe - Recon Unit<br />
*Shield - Defense unit<br />
*Sweep - A pursuit unit, trained in hunting down fleeing enemy forces.<br />
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====Unique Officer Rankings ====<br />
*[[Falconer (rank)|Falconer]] - a training officer<br />
*[[Falconer Commander]] - a senior training officer<br />
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=== Touman Listings of Clan Jade Falcon ===<br />
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See [[Clan Jade Falcon Touman]].<br />
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==Leadership==<br />
===Khans===<br />
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* [[Elizabeth Hazen]], [[2807]] - ????<ref>''Historical: Operation Klondike'', p. 89, 110</ref><br />
* [[Lisa Buhallin]], 28?? - 28??<ref>''Era Digest: Golden Century'', p. 26, "Wakazashi"</ref><br />
* [[Natalie Buhalin]], 28?? - 28??<ref>''Jade Falcon Sourcebook'', p. 16,</ref><br />
* [[Ackerley Hazen]], 29?? - ????<ref>''Field Manual: Warden Clans'', p. 37, Mentioned fighting Cloud Cobras</ref><br />
* [[Yvonne Hazen]], ???? - 30??<ref>''Jade Falcon Sourcebook'', p. 18-20</ref><br />
* [[Elias Crichell]], ???? - 3057<ref>''Jade Falcon Sourcebook'', p. 20, 54</ref>,<ref name=FMCC-93>''Field Manual: Crusader Clans'', p. 93</ref><br />
* [[Marthe Pryde]], 3057 - 3076<ref name=FMCC-93,98>''Field Manual: Crusader Clans'', p. 93, 98</ref><ref name=WoR-192>''The Wars of Reaving'', p. 192</ref><br />
* [[Samantha Clees]], 3076 - n/a<ref>''Masters and Minions: The Starcorps Dossiers'', p.127</ref><ref name=WoR-192/><br />
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===saKhans===<br />
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* [[Lisa Buhallin]], 282? - ????<ref>''Historical: Operation Klondike'', p. 110</ref><br />
* [[Sejanus Buhallin]], 30?? - 30??<ref>''Jade Falcon Sourcebook'', p. 19</ref><br />
* [[Elias Crichell]], 30?? - 30??<ref>''Jade Falcon Sourcebook'', p. 20</ref><br />
* [[Timur Malthus]], 30?? - 305?<ref>''Jade Falcon Sourcebook'', p. 20, 28-29</ref><br />
* [[Vandervahn Chistu]] 305? - 3057<ref>''Jade Falcon Sourcebook'', p. 28-29, 54</ref>,<ref name=FMCC-93/><br />
* [[Marthe Pryde]], 3057<ref>''Field Manual: Crusader Clans'', p. 98</ref><br />
* [[Samantha Clees]], 3057 - 307<ref name=FMCC-93,98/><br />
* [[Uvin Buhallin]], 307? - 308?<ref>''Masters and Minions: The Starcorps Dossiers'', p.127-128</ref><ref>''The Wars of Reaving'', p. 177</ref><ref>''Field Manual: 3085'', p. 118</ref><br />
* [[Diane Anu]], 308? - n/a<ref>''The Wars of Reaving'', p. 177</ref><ref>''Field Manual: 3085'', p. 118</ref><br />
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==Era Specific Data==<br />
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'''Jade Falcon Demographics''' <br /><br />
Affiliation: Crusader <br /><br />
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'''Clan Space Worlds:''' <br /><br />
[[Barcella]] (15 percent) <br /><br />
[[Dagda]] (9 percent) <br /><br />
[[Eden]] (34 percent) <br /><br />
[[Gatekeeper]] (100 percent) <br /><br />
[[Glory]] (45 percent) <br /><br />
[[Huntress]] (42 percent) <br /><br />
[[Ironhold]] (100 percent) <br /><br />
[[Marshall]] (6 percent) <br /><br />
[[Tokasha]] (64 percent) <br /><br />
Capital: Ironhold <br /><br />
Population (Clan Space): 116,264,000 (3060) <br /><br />
Population growth rate: 2.6 percent (72/46) <br /><br />
Self-Sufficiency Index: 93 percent <br /><br />
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'''Leaders:''' <br /><br />
Khan: Marthe Pryde <br /><br />
saKhan: Samantha Clees <br /><br />
Loremaster: Kael Pershaw <br /><br />
Scientist-Gneral: Etienne (Balzac) <br /> <br />
Merchant Factor: Moriz <br /><br />
Master Technician: Sanders <br /><br />
Senior Laborer: Tae <br /><br />
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'''Military:''' <br /><br />
Clusters: 47 <br /><br />
WarShips: 23 <br /><br />
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==References==<br />
<references /><br />
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==Bibliography==<br />
* ''[[A Rending of Falcons]]''<br />
* ''[[Blood of the Isle]]''<br />
* ''[[Blood of the Skye]]''<br />
* ''[[Era Digest: Golden Century]]''<br />
* ''[[Field Manual: Crusader Clans]]''<br />
* ''[[Field Manual: 3085]]''<br />
* ''[[Flight of the Falcon]]''<br />
* ''[[Historical: Operation Klondike]]''<br />
* ''[[Jade Falcon Sourcebook]]''<br />
* ''[[Jihad: Final Reckoning]]''<br />
* ''[[Jihad Hot Spots: Terra]]''<br />
* ''[[Masters & Minions: The StarCorps Dossiers]]''<br />
* ''[[Tactical Operations]]''<br />
* ''[[The Clans: Warriors of Kerensky]]''<br />
* ''[[The Falcon and the Wolf]]''<br />
* ''[[The Wars of Reaving]]''<br />
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[[Category:Factions|Clans, Clan Jade Falcon]]<br />
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| factionname = Clan Jade Falcon<br />
| timeperiod = [[2807]] &ndash; Present<br />
| classification = [[Clan]]<br />
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| capital = [[Sudeten]]<br />
| rulertitle = [[Khan]]<br />
| military = [[Clan Jade Falcon Touman]]<br />
| secretservice = [[Watch#Clan_Jade_Falcon|Clan Jade Falcon Watch]]<br />
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'''Clan Jade Falcon''' is an ardent [[Crusader Clans|Crusader Clan]] who traditionally views [[Clan Wolf]] as their most hated rival. The Jade Falcons recognize four founding members: [[Lisa Buhallin]], [[Daniel Mattlov]], [[Carl Icaza]], and [[Elizabeth Hazen]]. Elizabeth Hazen is the one most well-regarded by the clan, for she is believed to have been the [[Legend of Turkina|first to tame]] a jade falcon, a genetically engineered mix of peregrine and gyrfalcon, designed to combat native pests on the [[Clans|Clan]] colonial worlds. Hazen's jade falcon was named Turkina, and the stories of the two are the foundation for much of her Clan's [[Legend_of_Turkina|myths]].<br />
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==The Founders==<br />
'' Praised be the Founders of Clan Jade Falcon!''<br />
:'' Daniel Mattlov,''<br />
:'' From him came the fire of the first Falcons.''<br />
:'' Carl Icaza,''<br />
:'' From him came the stubbornness and strengh,''<br />
:'' Lisa Buhallin,''<br />
:'' From her came the will to remember''<br />
:'' But all hail mighty Elizabeth Hazen and Turkina''<br />
:'' As first among equals,''<br />
:'' For she was the first Khan''<br />
:'' And Turkina her winged soul.''<br />
:'' From them came our spirit and destiny.''<br />
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-- From the Jade Falcon Invocation.<ref name="Clan Jade Falcon">''Clan Jade Falcon'', p. 8</ref><br />
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==Clan Statement==<br />
"We are Jade Falcon, great among the Clans. We are warriors who fight with the strength of the falcons claw and ascend to the heavens on the wings of the same. We remember with the clarity of falcon-sight the words of Kerensky. Through the smoke of time he speaks to us, his chosen, and urges us onward with the promise of Eden. We will retake what is ours by right, that shining jewel Terra. Not the vastness of space nor the Wolf’s obstinate howl will stay us from our righteous goal. We are Crusaders and will trample all who stand in our way!"<ref>''Field Manual: Crusader Clans'', p. 96</ref><br />
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==Clan Description==<br />
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The strictly traditionalist Crusaders of Clan Jade Falcon have long resented and been envious of [[Clan Wolf]] for their strength, holdings, and (most of all) possession of the coveted Kerensky [[Bloodname]]. The Jade Falcons participated in the initial [[Clan Invasion |invasion]] of the [[Inner Sphere]] and seized many Lyran worlds from the [[Federated Commonwealth]]. They were the first Clan to taste defeat at the hands of Inner Sphere forces, losing on [[Twycross]] in [[3050]]. Achieving a draw with the [[ComGuards]] on [[Tukayyid]], they schemed and plotted to undo the Truce. They were nearly destroyed by their [[Refusal War]] with the Wolves in an attempt to do just that. They lost many warriors and both of their Khans in subsequent politicking. Their new khan launched a daring strike at [[Coventry]] in the [[Lyran Alliance]] and managed to restore the Jade Falcons' strength by winning possession of other Crusader units in the [[Harvest Trials]]. The Jade Falcons beat the ComGuards during the [[Great Refusal]] on [[Strana Mechty]] and then pushed the [[Clan Steel Viper|Steel Viper]]s out of their Occupation Zone; after that, they seized (and lost) several more Lyran worlds during the [[FedCom Civil War]]. They still eye [[Terra]] and have not given up hope of claiming it. <br />
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==History==<br />
===Founding===<br />
In June of [[2807]], former [[Major-General]] [[Nicholas Kerensky]] declared the formation of the twenty [[Clan|Clans]] that would represent the 20 colony worlds of the [[Kerensky Cluster]]. Thus [[Clan Jade Falcon]] was born with its 40 Bloodname warriors.<ref>''Historical: Operation Klondike'', p. 24, "Building a New Society"</ref> Named for genetically modified Falcon, known as the [[Jade Falcon (species)|Jade Falcon]].<br />
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===Operation Klondike===<br />
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===Operation Revival===<br />
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Clan Jade Falcon launched the first of five major assualt waves on the [[Inner Sphere]] on March 20th, [[3050]] with attacks on 10 [[Federated Commonwealth]] planets. Their second wave of attacks began in May 3050 and conquered 12 worlds from the Federated Commonwealth, meeting minimal resistance. Due to supply problems, the third wave of attacks was directed at only 5 worlds. The supply problem was fixed and in the fourth wave, 15 planets were to be attacked, but the Clan faced some setbacks, including the FedCom counter-attack on [[Twycross]] and the death of the staunch Crusader [[ilKhan]] [[Leo Showers]]. This caused Jade Falcon and the other Clans to withdraw all [[Bloodname|Bloodnamed]] troops to [[Strana Mechty]] to elect a new ilKhan. After a year of peace, the Falcons were jointly paired with [[Clan Steel Viper]] to continue the invasion, in November [[3051]]. Clan Steel Viper won bidding rights for assaults on three worlds, and won [[Trial of Possession|Trials of Possession]] for another two worlds. Out of the original seven worlds selected for the fifth wave assault, the Jade Falcons were only allowed to assault and claim two. At [[Tukayyid]], the Falcons were outfought by the [[ComGuards]], resulting in a tactical draw. [[Aidan Pryde]] of the [[Falcon Guards]] was responsible for much of the positive outcomes of the battle.<br />
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===Refusal War=== <br />
In [[3057]], [[Ulric Kerensky]], [[ilKhan]] of the [[Clans]], was accused of genocide against the Clans by negotiating the [[Truce of Tukayyid]] because generations of Clan warriors would be denied the chance at warfare against the [[Inner Sphere]]. [[Khan]] [[Elias Crichell]] of the Jade Falcons led the [[Crusader]] faction of the [[Grand Council]] against the [[Warden]] faction of ilKhan Kerensky. If ilKhan Kerensky were to be found guilty, then the Truce of Tukayyid would be revoked and the Jade Falcons would be prepared to renew the invasion with the goal of becoming [[ilClan]].<ref name="F&W12">''Falcon and Wolf'', p. 12</ref><br />
On August 8th, 3057, the Grand Council found Ulric guilty. Ulric declared a [[Trial of Refusal]]. He bid the entire Clan Wolf ''touman'' against the entirety of Clan Jade Falcon in a ploy to destroy the Crusaders in his own ranks and weaken the forces of one of the strongest Crusader Clans.<ref name="CWoK22">''The Clans: Warriors of Kerensky'', p. 22</ref><br />
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===Rebuilding and Conventry===<br />
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===Great Refusal===<br />
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===Incursion of 3064===<br />
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===Jihad===<br />
During the early stages of the [[Jihad]], the Jade Falcons launched another attack on the Lyran Alliance; the first planet to be seized was [[Graus]], captured on the 7th of October [[3068]]. The Jade Falcons followed this up with attacks that conquered [[Black Earth]], [[Blackjack]], [[Blue Hole]] and [[Roadside]] by late January [[3069]]. The Falcons would continue to take worlds from the Lyrans throughout [[3069]] and [[3070]], although [[Clan Wolf]] launched an invasion of their own, shadowing the Falcon's advances. The Wolves also snapped up three Falcon worlds during the first two weeks of March 3069: [[Bessarabia]], [[Biota]] and [[Cusset]].<ref name="J:FRp46">''Jihad: Final Reckoning'', p. 46, "The Jihad In Review"</ref> Despite losing these three worlds to the Wolves, the Falcons pressed on against the Lyrans, capturing [[Mkuranga]] and [[Pasig]] between the 10th and 14th of June 3069 and [[Deia]] on the 15th of August.<ref name="J:FRp47">''Jihad: Final Reckoning'', p. 47, "The Jihad In Review"</ref> The Falcons launched an attack on [[Zanderij]] in the second week of June 3070, but the campaign wouldn't be a quick occupation; defending LAAF and Clan Wolf-in-Exile forces pushed the Falcons back off Zanderij on the 12th of August.<ref name="J:FRp48">''Jihad: Final Reckoning'', p. 48, "The Jihad In Review"</ref> An attack on the heavily fortified world of [[Great X]] also didn't go the Falcon's way, turning instead into a grinding quagmire of a campaign.<ref name="J:FRp49">''Jihad: Final Reckoning'', p. 49, "The Jihad In Review"</ref><br />
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The Falcon campaign against the Lyrans slowed in [[3071]]; after attacking [[Morges]] on the 8th of February, the Falcons found themselves the target of attacks from [[Clan Hell's Horses]], who had been seizing Periphery worlds from [[Clan Wolf]] for some months. The Falcons attacked the Horses on [[Steelton]] in the second week in April, while also sending a small force to [[Arc-Royal]] under a flag of truce. The last ten days of April saw the Falcons invaded themselves, as [[Clan Ice Hellion]] launched a two-part invasion of the Falcon Occupation Zone that would tie up the Falcon touman for some months.<ref name="J:FRp49">''Jihad: Final Reckoning'', p. 49, "The Jihad In Review"</ref><br />
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On the 15th of May [[3076]] the Jade Falcon Khan, [[Marthe Pryde]], was assassinated on Sudeten by unidentified agents.<ref name="JHS:Tp22">''Jihad Hot Spots: Terra'', p. 22, "Timeline of the Jihad"</ref><ref name="J:FRp56">''Jihad: Final Reckoning'', p. 56, "The Jihad In Review"</ref><br />
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===Peacetime prior to the HPG Blackout===<br />
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===Dark Age & Republic Incursion===<br />
====Jade Falcon Incursion of the Republic====<br />
In March [[3134]], seeing an opportunity caused by the collapse of the [[HPG]] network, the Falcons made an incursion into the [[Republic of the Sphere]], this expedition force consisted of [[Turkina Keshik]], [[Delta Galaxy (Clan Jade Falcon)|Delta]] and [[Zeta Galaxy (Clan Jade Falcon)|Zeta Galaxies]].<ref>''Blood of Isle'', p. 32</ref> The Expedition lead by the political JF radicals known as the "Mongols". The expedition masqueraded their expedition under the guise of hunting the Clan splinter group, the [[Steel Wolves]]. The invasion focus on the [[Prefecture IX]], where captured a string of worlds, in the two Prefectures and single Lyran Commonwealth world of [[Chaffee]].<ref>''Flight of the Falcon'', p. 93</ref> The Prefecture weaken by uprising and defection of its own Prefecture forces, principally the [[Stormhammers]] sprinter group. Expedition splinter apart by galaxy and capture number worlds until they meet at [[Skye]]. In what was named as the 1st Battle for Skye, the Falcon forces utilized its assets, including its WarShip, the [[Nightlord#named_vessels|Emerald Talon]] cover the expedition's landings in August. On the group, the Falcons forces were tricked and out maneuvered by the desperate Republican forces & its allies lead by Prefect [[Tara Campbell]].<ref>''Flight of the Falcon'', p. 279</ref> <br />
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However, after months of regrouping, Falcon forces resume their battle for Skye in October.<ref>''Blood of Skye'', p. 162</ref> Allied Republican and splinter forces attempt to disrupt Falcon's supply chain by liberating various worlds controlled by Expedition. Expedition's military leader, "Khan" [[Malvina Hazen]] uses nuclear weapons to disrupt electronics in planet's capital force the defenders out.<ref>''Blood of Skye'', p. 175</ref> Jade Falcon's Emerald Talon is badly damage and forced off as reinforcements lead by the Lyran Commonwealth's WarShip, [[Mjolnir#Named Vessels|LAS ''Yggdrasil'']].<ref>''Blood of Skye'', p. 221</ref> However in late December, despite their best efforts Falcon forces were able to overwhelm Skye's defenders and win control of the planet, forcing them to withdraw from the planet.<ref>''Blood of Skye'', p. 278</ref><br />
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====A Rending of Falcons: Jade Falcon Civil War====<br />
Year after establishing the Falcon's Reaches, Malvina Hazen leads the bulk of the Expedition back to Clan Jade Falcon's Occupation Zone, where she conducts [[Trial of Possession]] against Khan [[Jana Pryde]] for control the Clan in September, [[3135]].<ref>''A Rending of Falcons'', p. 56</ref> However, Loremaster [[Julia Buhallin]] denies Malvina her trial. In turn, Malvina declares herself Khan and goes about fighting claim the Occupation Zone herself and her expedition.<ref>''A Rendering of Falcons'', p. 113</ref> By December, Falcons forces had been fighting around the Occupation Zone, favoring Malvina in her success with Clan Hell's Horses allies. Khan Pryde musters the entire Jade Falcon Touman at [[Sudeten]] to route out Malvinas' forces. The Khans meet in a officiated Trial of Possession in space against one another in early April. In brutal battle in 'Mechs, Malvina kills Jana and official gains Khanship of the Clan.<ref>''A Rendering of Falcons'', p. 291</ref> She then orders the baldy damaged Emerald Talon to crash into the planetary capital of Sudeten to eliminate Clan's fighting political rivals.<ref>''A Rendering of Falcons'', p. 306</ref> Shortly after, she kills her Clan Hell's Horses ally [[Manas Amirault]] in Trial of Possession for Mongrel doctrine and control of the Fire Horse Galaxy.<ref>''A Rendering of Falcons'', p. 309</ref><br />
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== Exclusive Jade Falcon Bloodnames ==<br />
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[[Image:Clanjadefalconbanner.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Banner of Clan Jade Falcon.]]<br />
General Bloodnames:<br />
::Chistu<br />
::Hazen<br />
::Malthus<br />
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[[MechWarrior]]s:<br />
::Buhallin<br />
::Helmer<br />
::Pryde<br />
::Roshak<br />
::Mattlov<br />
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[[Elemental]]s:<br />
::Icaza<br />
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Pilots:<br />
::Binetti<br />
::Thastus<br />
::Von Jankmon<br />
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== Social Structure of Clan Jade Falcon ==<br />
'''Clan Jade Falcon''' is founded on a caste-based martial society, which divides people into several distinct groups. The highest caste is the warrior caste, where [[MechWarrior]]s, pilots, and genetically enhanced infantry called [[Elemental]]s command the greatest respect. Warriors are genetically bred through steel wombs, where the genetic material from prominent warriors is combined to create a unique batch of children who are thought to be superior in combat. These children, or [[sibko]]s, go through a variety of tests for their first 20 years, at the end of which they will be judged to be warriors or not.<br />
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Below the warriors are the techs, who keep the [[BattleMech]]s, aerospace fighters, and armored infantry functioning. While they are essential to the society, most warriors look down on techs as inferiors and less valuable members of society. Roughly parallel to the techs is the Scientist caste, where biologists, engineers, and researchers determine how to further enhance Clan Jade Falcon's already-considerable gene pool, armament, and technological progress.<br />
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Below the scientists and techs are the merchants, who conduct trade with other [[Clans]] and, covertly, states and trading houses from the [[Inner Sphere]]. While they are rarely seen, the merchants provide the industrial and transportation backbone for the Clans.<br />
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At the lowest level of Clan Jade Falcon are the laborers, who do manual labor and jobs too demeaning for other caste members.<br />
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==Manufacturing Center==<br />
A detailed list of some Jade Falcon manufacturer and companie centers.<br />
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===Major Defense Industries<ref>''Tactical Operations'', p. 15</ref>===<br />
====3067====<br />
* [[Olivetti Weaponry]]<br />
* [[Red Devil Industries]]<br />
* [[Trellshire Heavy Industries]]<br />
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== Military Structure of Clan Jade Falcon ==<br />
The military structure (or [[Touman]]) of Clan Jade Falcon, like most [[Clans]], is split up into groups: Naval and Ground.<br />
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=== Naval Structure ===<br />
Clan Jade Falcon has numerous [[WarShip]], [[JumpShip]], and [[DropShip]] assets to control space and transport troops to landing sites. Destroyers, Cruisers, and Battleships have been observed within the Naval hierarchy, which, combined with assault dropships, can successfully defend most of the Clan's holdings in both the [[Inner Sphere]] and the Clan homeworlds. Naval commanders, however, are considered inferior to the Jade Falcon ground troops. While they are genetically bred warriors, the focus of combat personnel has always been the [[MechWarrior]] on the ground.<br />
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=== Ground Military Structure ===<br />
Jade Falcons esteem [[MechWarrior]]s above all other combat personnel, and see their MechWarriors as the ultimate result of their breeding practices. Their MechWarriors are brash, fierce, and unrelenting. While subtlety is rare among the Jade Falcons, their relentless drive to crush the enemy is a potent force. MechWarriors will often take incredible risks, sometimes failing, but often gaining victory or a heroic death that ensures their genetic legacy will live on among future generations.<br />
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Jade Falcon [[Elemental]]s are thought highly of as well, with particular attention paid to tenacity and endurance. During their initial sweep into the [[Inner Sphere]], Jade Falcon Elementals played an integral part in capturing and maintaining order among hostile worlds.<br />
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While pilots of aerospace fighters are not as highly respected as MechWarriors, they are still warriors and rank above the other castes.<br />
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=== Terminology ===<br />
Within Clan Jade Falcon, several terms are used to describe given organizations. Some of them are listed below:<br />
==== Combat Unit Terminology ====<br />
Until after [[Operation Revival]], the Falcon Touman had its own designation for its unit/force make up which was unique to Falcons. These designation for [[Star (Clan)|Stars]], are usually used as part of a Star's name. Per a mission or campaign, Trinaries and Stars are renamed for their temporary mission function.<ref>''Jade Falcon Sourcebook'', p. 45, "Jade Falcon Unit Designation/Star Types"</ref><br />
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===== Permanent Unit Designations =====<br />
*Com - Command Star, usually reserve for large Cluster and Galaxy formations.<br />
*Beak - A Star composed of medium-heavy 'Mechs - Note: Beak was typically used for mix weight classes beyond what is designated here.<br />
*Eyrie - A Star composed of wide mix assortment of weight classes of 'Mechs. Sometimes called Beak Star.<br />
*[[Nova (unit)|Nova]] - Double Star formation, which has seperate combat unit types, ('Mech/Elemental/Fighter/Combat Vehicle) per type. Nova name was designation only unique to Falcon in manners of naming its units are combinations.<br />
*Strider - A Star composed of Infantry/Battle Armor.<br />
*Talon - A Star composed of heavy to Assault weight 'Mechs<br />
*Wing - A Star composed of Aerospace Fighters<br />
*Mix - A Star which has [[Point (Clan)|Points]] compose of differient unit types (Vehicle infantry/Battle Armor/fighters etc.).<br />
*Dark Wing - Jade Falcon name for Solahma Unit.<ref>''Field Manual: Crusader Clans'', p. 95, "Falcon Unit Designations"</ref><br />
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===== Temporary Unit Designations =====<br />
*Hold - Rear Guard Unit, who's mission it is to tie up the enemy's advance.<br />
*Probe - Recon Unit<br />
*Shield - Defense unit<br />
*Sweep - A pursuit unit, trained in hunting down fleeing enemy forces.<br />
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====Unique Officer Rankings ====<br />
*[[Falconer (rank)|Falconer]] - a training officer<br />
*[[Falconer Commander]] - a senior training officer<br />
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=== Touman Listings of Clan Jade Falcon ===<br />
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See [[Clan Jade Falcon Touman]].<br />
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==Leadership==<br />
===Khans===<br />
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* [[Elizabeth Hazen]], [[2807]] - ????<ref>''Historical: Operation Klondike'', p. 89, 110</ref><br />
* [[Lisa Buhallin]], 28?? - 28??<ref>''Era Digest: Golden Century'', p. 26, "Wakazashi"</ref><br />
* [[Natalie Buhalin]], 28?? - 28??<ref>''Jade Falcon Sourcebook'', p. 16,</ref><br />
* [[Ackerley Hazen]], 29?? - ????<ref>''Field Manual: Warden Clans'', p. 37, Mentioned fighting Cloud Cobras</ref><br />
* [[Yvonne Hazen]], ???? - 30??<ref>''Jade Falcon Sourcebook'', p. 18-20</ref><br />
* [[Elias Crichell]], ???? - 3057<ref>''Jade Falcon Sourcebook'', p. 20, 54</ref>,<ref name=FMCC-93>''Field Manual: Crusader Clans'', p. 93</ref><br />
* [[Marthe Pryde]], 3057 - 3076<ref name=FMCC-93,98>''Field Manual: Crusader Clans'', p. 93, 98</ref><ref name=WoR-192>''The Wars of Reaving'', p. 192</ref><br />
* [[Samantha Clees]], 3076 - n/a<ref>''Masters and Minions: The Starcorps Dossiers'', p.127</ref><ref name=WoR-192/><br />
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===saKhans===<br />
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* [[Lisa Buhallin]], 282? - ????<ref>''Historical: Operation Klondike'', p. 110</ref><br />
* [[Sejanus Buhallin]], 30?? - 30??<ref>''Jade Falcon Sourcebook'', p. 19</ref><br />
* [[Elias Crichell]], 30?? - 30??<ref>''Jade Falcon Sourcebook'', p. 20</ref><br />
* [[Timur Malthus]], 30?? - 305?<ref>''Jade Falcon Sourcebook'', p. 20, 28-29</ref><br />
* [[Vandervahn Chistu]] 305? - 3057<ref>''Jade Falcon Sourcebook'', p. 28-29, 54</ref>,<ref name=FMCC-93/><br />
* [[Marthe Pryde]], 3057<ref>''Field Manual: Crusader Clans'', p. 98</ref><br />
* [[Samantha Clees]], 3057 - 307<ref name=FMCC-93,98/><br />
* [[Uvin Buhallin]], 307? - 308?<ref>''Masters and Minions: The Starcorps Dossiers'', p.127-128</ref><ref>''The Wars of Reaving'', p. 177</ref><ref>''Field Manual: 3085'', p. 118</ref><br />
* [[Diane Anu]], 308? - n/a<ref>''The Wars of Reaving'', p. 177</ref><ref>''Field Manual: 3085'', p. 118</ref><br />
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==Era Specific Data==<br />
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'''Jade Falcon Demographics''' <br /><br />
Affiliation: Crusader <br /><br />
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'''Clan Space Worlds:''' <br /><br />
[[Barcella]] (15 percent) <br /><br />
[[Dagda]] (9 percent) <br /><br />
[[Eden]] (34 percent) <br /><br />
[[Gatekeeper]] (100 percent) <br /><br />
[[Glory]] (45 percent) <br /><br />
[[Huntress]] (42 percent) <br /><br />
[[Ironhold]] (100 percent) <br /><br />
[[Marshall]] (6 percent) <br /><br />
[[Tokasha]] (64 percent) <br /><br />
Capital: Ironhold <br /><br />
Population (Clan Space): 116,264,000 (3060) <br /><br />
Population growth rate: 2.6 percent (72/46) <br /><br />
Self-Sufficiency Index: 93 percent <br /><br />
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'''Leaders:''' <br /><br />
Khan: Marthe Pryde <br /><br />
saKhan: Samantha Clees <br /><br />
Loremaster: Kael Pershaw <br /><br />
Scientist-Gneral: Etienne (Balzac) <br /> <br />
Merchant Factor: Moriz <br /><br />
Master Technician: Sanders <br /><br />
Senior Laborer: Tae <br /><br />
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'''Military:''' <br /><br />
Clusters: 47 <br /><br />
WarShips: 23 <br /><br />
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==References==<br />
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==Bibliography==<br />
* ''[[A Rending of Falcons]]''<br />
* ''[[Blood of the Isle]]''<br />
* ''[[Blood of the Skye]]''<br />
* ''[[Era Digest: Golden Century]]''<br />
* ''[[Field Manual: Crusader Clans]]''<br />
* ''[[Flight of the Falcon]]''<br />
* ''[[Historical: Operation Klondike]]''<br />
* ''[[Jade Falcon Sourcebook]]''<br />
* ''[[Jihad: Final Reckoning]]''<br />
* ''[[Jihad Hot Spots: Terra]]''<br />
* ''[[Masters & Minions: The StarCorps Dossiers]]''<br />
* ''[[Tactical Operations]]''<br />
* ''[[The Clans: Warriors of Kerensky]]''<br />
* ''[[The Falcon and the Wolf]]''<br />
* ''[[The Wars of Reaving]]''<br />
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[[Category: Clans]]<br />
[[Category:Factions|Clans, Clan Jade Falcon]]<br />
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[[File:Uvin Buhallin.jpg|thumb|right|Uvin Buhallin at age 50]]<br />
'''Uvin Buhallin''' (Born [[3026]]- Died 308?)<ref>''Masters and Minions'', p. 127 - Uvin Buhallin's profile notes his birthdate.</ref>, <ref>''The Wars of Reaving'', p. 177</ref> - [[Clan Jade Falcon]] [[MechWarrior]], Officer, and [[saKhan]] . <br />
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==Character Description==<br />
Uvin was known as a skilled MechWarrior, but his leadership was always suffered from criticism. He was known to ignore criticism, and preferring to have his actions to answer his critics.<ref>''Masters and Minions'', p. 128 - Profile describes his personality as of 3077.</ref> <br />
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==History==<br />
===Early Life and Career===<br />
During [[Operation Revival]], Uvin served as a Star Commander in the [[1st Falcon Striker (Clan Jade Falcon)|1st Falcon Striker Cluster]]. In command of Alpha Eye, a [[Star (Clan)|Star]] of Alpha Trinary, he fought key battles during the [[Clan Invasion|Invasion]].<ref>''Jade Falcon sourcebook'', p. 70 - Uvin first listed in print as one of the 1st Falcon Striker Cluster's officers, piloting a Loki/Hellbringer.</ref> His elite skills gained an reputation during this time for being relentless MechWarrior in combat, exhausting his ammunition before his 'Mech armor protection depleted.<ref>''Masters and Minions: The StarCorp Dossiers'', p. 128 - Uvin's profile mentions his abilities when he was younger.</ref><br />
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=== As the Commander of 1st Falcon Striker Cluster=== <br />
====In Wake of the Refusal War==== <br />
After fighting in the [[Refusal War]] had ended, he was able to obtain rank of [[Star Colonel]] and became the commander of the Strikers. His Clusters was among first to be nearly fully regain its pre-war strength in short time. However, his promotion was not seen as positive one. Many among the Falcons questioned his tactical abilities as a commander what amount to an inexperienced Cluster. <br />
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====The Coventry Campaign====<br />
In [[3058]], his unit was selected as part of Khan Martha Pryde's expedition to [[Lyran Alliance|Lyran]] world of [[Coventry]]. His force first taste of combat against dishonorable Militia forces of [[Australia]], whom would had laid mines and hid its [[Combined-Arms|combined-arms]] force in Outback Woodlands. Uvin's Strikers having accepted batchcall, were angered by the militia's tactics, they shortly after destroyed them wherever they found them.<ref>''Operational Turning Points: Falcon Incursion'', p. 21 - First Falcon Striker noted as the recommended attacks of Australia, under the command of Uvin Buhallin.</ref><br />
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On Coventry, he and his Cluster proved that were capable command in their battles around Port St. Williams against Lyran forces and later fighting the [[Eridani Light Horse]].<ref>''Field Manual: Crusading Clans'', p. 101 - 1st Falcon Striker Cluster, Uvin's exploits on Coventry briefly noted, improving his reputation.</ref><br />
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Since the elevation of his commanding officer [[Samantha Clees]], elevation to [[saKhan]], Uvin would given more of the burdens of running day-to-day duties Gyrfalcons as time would pass.<ref>''Masters and Minions'', p. 128 - Uvin Buhallin's Profile describes how Uvin would end up being Samantha Clees' unofficial aide and help run Delta Galaxy for two decades.</ref> <br />
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====Second Incursion into the Lyran Alliance====<br />
In [[3064]], he and his command would be dispatched with entire Delta Galaxy into the [[Lyran Alliance]] as part of Martha Pryde's [[Jade Falcon Incursion (3064)|second blood of inexperience warriors]]. They would engage forces that had not been involved in the [[FedCom Civil War]], starting with forces on [[Kikuyu]]. He would lead his Cluster with the [[8th Talon (Clan Jade Falcon)|8th Talon Cluster]] take [[Clermont]] and assist entire expedition in sacking of Lyran strong hold on [[Melissia]]. Khan Pryde would send Uvic's Strikers and the Talons secure nearby worlds surrounding Melissa. They would take [[Medellin]] after fighting an exhausted regional Militia force, and clash with the [[Clan Wolf-in-Exile]] on [[Blair Atholl]]. His command would recalled with the Talons aid in fighting [[Clan Wolf]]'s incursion into the Falcon's Occupation Zone by [[3065]].<ref>''FedCom Civil War sourcebook'', p. 110, 115, 117-118, 120, 185-186 - Falcon Incursion (3064) - 1st Falcon Striker Cluster's action with Uvin Buhallin in command during the Falcon's 3064 Incursion into the Lyran Alliance and against the Crusader Wolves.</ref><ref>''Field Manual: Updates'', p. 49 - Delta Galaxy noted fighting in the Incursion and liberating worlds from Crusader aligned Clan Wolf.</ref><br />
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====Jihad and Early actions during the War====<br />
After the [[Jihad]] began, Khan Pryde would again dispatch Delta Galaxy as part of incursion in to the Lyran Alliance in [[3068]]. Uvin still in command of the Strikers would various worlds include [[Graus]]. Uvin would lead his forces against Lyran and [[Clan Wolf-in-Exile]] forces alike to secure the planet.<ref>''Jihad Hot Spots: 3070'', p. 29 LAAF Rallies after stunning Clan Assault on Graus - [[Adam Steiner]] press conference, mentions the 1st Falcon Striker's efforts on the Graus in 3068 which would lead to the Falcon's victory.</ref> In course of years, Uvin would bring his unit back to rest of Delta Galaxy to continue taking worlds for the Clan. Fighting would come ahead for him in [[3071]], when Lyran & [[Clan Wolf-in-Exile|WiE]] troops would end up giving tougher fight on [[Morges]]<ref>''Jihad Hot Spots: 3076'', p. 12 Timeline - Morges assaulted by Clan Jade Falcon in February 3071.</ref> and [[Great X]]. The battle would go sour for the entire Delta Galaxy as months long of fighting with Lyran forces would end in rout for the Falcons. The action would gut Delta Galaxy, leaving Uvic's 1st Falcon Strikers its only reported survivors.<ref>''Jihad Hot Spots: 3072'', p. 48 Falcons Return to Great X, Zanderij - Uvic's First Falcon Strikers noted escaping Great X after the destruction of the rest of Delta Galaxy.</ref><ref>''Jihad Hot Spots: 3076'', p. 12 Timeline of the Jihad - January 13th, Great X invasion by Clan Jade Falcon noted as a quagmire.</ref><br />
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After returning back to Occupation Zone, Uvin would need rally his damaged unit to help fight the [[Clan Ice Hellion]] [[Operation: Ice Storm|invasion of their occupation zone]]. Intelligence reports of the fight, would record Uvic's parent galaxy was still combat ready enough help play key roll in fighting Hellions until their defeat by April [[3072]].<ref>''Jihad Secrets: The Blake Documents'', pp. 28-30 - Operation Ice Storm - Delta Galaxy fights the Ice Hellion invasion until its end in March 3072.</ref><br />
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In [[3076]], Khan Martha Pryde would be killed by malfunction in her 'Mechs controls, Uvic's Galaxy Commander and saKhan would win the senior leadership of the Clan. A meeting would be called on Sudeten would call of the Bloodname warriors to choose who would become the saKhan of the Clan.<ref>''Jihad Hot Spots: 3076'', p. 71 Khan Marthe Pryde Slain! - Khan Pryde's death, rise of Uvin's boss Clees leads to his rise to become saKhan.</ref> Unexpectedly among his peers, Uvin is elected as saKhan dismay many of his fellow officers. Again in his career, individuals in his Clan word doubt his leadership abilities.<ref>''Masters and Minions'', p. 127-128 - Elevation to saKhan surprising many a of Clee's choice.</ref> <br />
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===As saKhan of Clan Jade Falcon===<br />
Among his new duties, Khan Clees would charge him with rebuilding of Delta Galaxy in wake of fighting of the Jihad. A challenge for him since before he had only operated the unit's day-to-day operations, but never having to restaff/rebuild it.<ref>''Masters and Minions'', p. 127-128, 136 - Uvin charged in rebuilding Delta Galaxy, while he still suffers from Individuals doubt about his political leadership abilities are noted in his bio.</ref> <br />
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By [[3077]], he would have difficulties, due to his insistence in not responding to his critics, but responding to them in actions. On Blackjack gave a state of the clan speech at the [[Jade Falcon School of Conflict on Blackjack|Jade Falcon School of Conflict]], he would give speech to students. He was unable to answer skepticized Cadets who questioned his speech of a bright future for their Clan and plans for its defense. This encounter would continue ramp up doubts among Falcon leadership of his future.<ref>''Masters and Minions'', p. 128 - Profile describes his bio of his ill-fated speech at Jade Falcon School of Conflict.</ref> <br />
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===Death===<br />
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He was killed in combat on [[Graus]] in the early 3080s against [[Rubinsky's Light Horse]].<ref>''The Wars of Reaving'', p. 177</ref><ref>''Field Manual: 3085'', p. 118</ref><br />
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==Titles and Positions==<br />
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==Notes==<br />
*Uvin is noted for being a [[Loki|Loki/Hellbringer]] pilot, where he is noted for giving own catch phase, ''Never blink when a ''Hellbringer'' pilot is around''.<br />
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** However, he piloted a [[Summoner]] when he was killed.<ref>''The Wars of Reaving'', p. 177</ref><br />
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*Uvin Buhallin first appeared in print in Jade Falcon sourcebook as a Star Commander. His small piece of his background information first appeared in Field Manual: Crusading Clans. Only by Masters and Minions, he would have official profile, with background information which includes a picture of him and some expansion of his background which had only mention in passing in previous sourcebooks.<br />
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==Rules==<br />
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===Game Rules===<br />
Master and Minions grants character specific abilities to Uvin. If in combat and in direct command, he can allows any force up to the size of a Cluster to use the [[Force Specific Rules|force specific ability]] [[Banking Initiative]]. If using the [[A Time of War|A Time of War RPG system]], he is given a +2 to his subordinates rolls when they deal with lower-castemen and Clan's bureaucracy.<ref>''Masters and Minions: The StarCorp Dossiers'', p. 258 Notable Personalities Skills and Special abilities - Uvin Buhallin's unique abilities.</ref><br />
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==References==<br />
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==Bibliography==<br />
*''[[FedCom Civil War (sourcebook)]]''<br />
*''[[Field Manual: Crusader Clans]]''<br />
*''[[Field Manual: Updates]]''<br />
*''[[Field Manual: 3085]]''<br />
*''[[Jade Falcon Sourcebook]]''<br />
*''[[Jihad Hot Spots: 3072]]''<br />
*''[[Jihad Hot Spots: 3076]]''<br />
*''[[Jihad Secrets: The Blake Documents]]''<br />
*''[[Masters and Minions: The StarCorps Dossiers]]''<br />
*''[[The Falcon and the Wolf]]''<br />
*''[[The Battle of Coventry (scenario pack)|The Battle of Coventry]]''<br />
*''[[The Wars of Reaving]]''<br />
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[[Category:Clan Characters|Buhallin, Uvin]]<br />
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[[Category:saKhans|Buhallin, Uvin]]</div>Neufeldhttps://www.sarna.net/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Eridani_Light_Horse&diff=257931Talk:Eridani Light Horse2012-06-24T07:38:29Z<p>Neufeld: /* Malcomson v. Topps */</p>
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==CBT.com material==<br />
[Scott Malcomson responds] <br />
There is no argument to be made that the work was not accepted, and published as canon material, by Fantasy Productions.<br />
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Under the publication laws of the United States, there is no difference between electronic and physical publication. <br />
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FanPro chose to use my material, without permission, as the online resource for history regarding the Eridani Light Horse. It was published online in a canon format with absolutely no waivers to the contrary. These facts are a matter of public record, which I have preserved in their original electronic format, to include statements by FanPro's official representatives that anything FanPro publishes on its CBT website is canon material.<br />
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Removing my material from the website, after using it for in excess of a year, does not remove canonicity. It merely relegates my material to the status of "out of print".<br />
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I should once again reiterate that this material was originally used by FanPro WITHOUT PERMISSION. FASA never cut a contract or made any agreement for its use; it does not belong to the company slushpile that FanPro inherited. If Fantasy Productions is now choosing to renege on the agreement that I would forgo legal action and allow the use of my material in exchange for its recognition as canon material, and myself as an accredited Battletech author, then I would have cause to pursue legal action for fraud, copyright infringement, and breach of contract under Arizona and federal law.<br />
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Therefore, until and unless FanPro makes an official statement rejecting the original terms of our agreement --- and, to my understanding, they have not done so, certainly not in the form of any communications to me --- I must request that you remove the challenge to my work's legitimacy.<br />
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On the other hand, if indeed someone from FanPro has made such a statement, I will require identification of the person responsible and, if any copy of the statement can be made available, a legible copy thereof. I will thereafter confirm with FanPro any such statement prior to making a decision regarding legal action.<br />
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Until that point, I am perfectly happy to be considered "official, but out of print".{{Unsigned|24.56.3.88 |08:14, 21 July 2007}}<br />
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:I asked about your statement on the CBT.com discussion forums. You can read the responses I got [http://forums.classicbattletech.com/index.php/topic,19956.0.html here]. What it boils down to is that WizKids holds all the rights to everything BattleTech and they can do whatever they want with it, including declaring previously canon materials non-canon. --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 09:42, 22 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::[Scott Malcomson responds] Checked your link. Firstly, not one of the respondents is either WizKids or FanPro staff. You have forum moderators speaking, who are volunteers presenting personal opinions. As such, all such statements are unofficial. Not to mention the fact that the statements which ARE made are contradictory, including one that states my work is in fact canon.<br />
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:: Secondly, none of my original material contradicts any currently-canon material. According to the standards set by FASA, and currently adhered to by WizKids and FanPro, new material merely UPDATES older material. And it does so purely on an entry-by-entry basis. Only in the event of a specific conflict between the works does the newer version take precedence; the existence of a newer version does not result in the older version being removed from canon. Note also that while Battletechnology was never canon, it was also declared from the beginning to be non-canon. My material bears no such disclaimer.<br />
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:: Bearing all of this in mind, FanPro published my work as canon in 2001. As such, any conflicts which appear in previously-published material were updated and replaced by my own work. This would include Field Manual: ComStar, which appeared in 1999. Only material which has been published since 2001 can have an impact on the canonicity of my material, barring an official statement to the contrary from WizKids/FanPro.{{Unsigned|24.56.3.88 |15:50, 25 July 2007}}<br />
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==Mercenary's Handbook==<br />
:Hey all. What about the information provided in the ''Mercenary's Handbook''? There's a relatively complete history as well as a full unit description. It's all based on 3026, but it might be worthwhile to reference. And it's FASA supplied information. [[User:Bdevoe|Bdevoe]] 22:47, 27 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::If you would like to use that as the basis for starting the article, please do so. I don't have that particular book, so I cannot use it as a source, though I do intend to actually write up an article for the ELH when I get the time using the books I do have. Be bold and do it! [[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 21:33, 29 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::Will do, when I get back to the homestead (on travel right now). I also need to do the 12th Star Guards when I get a chance. :) [[User:Bdevoe|Bdevoe]] 19:46, 30 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Lacking ==<br />
Alright, the beginning is great, but the Eridani Light Horse later went on to become a core unit of the reborn Star League Defense Force, and assumed command and control over the majority of operations as part of Task Force Serpent. As is well known, Marshall Morgan Hasek-Davion was killed en route to Huntress, and Ariana Winston was designated Task Force Commander. She maintained command of the Task Force until her death shortly before the planet fall of Task Force Bulldog. Command of the 'Brigade' passed to Edwin Amis, who later took the unit to the Planet of Milos shortly after Sun-Tzu Liao's replacement as First Lord. They were later driven back as the world was untenable, and impossible to hold, due in a large part to the Capellan Confederation's successful PsyOps Campaign.{{Unsigned|75.80.218.90|01:21, 16 December 2008}}<br />
:Added information about the War of 3039, Clan Invasion, and Reborn Star League today. Will add other information soon.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 18:50, 26 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Added more information re: Second Star League and opening years of Jihad.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 15:08, 29 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::: Added stuff from the "25 years" book. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 20:29, 29 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Jihad Era information==<br />
The WizKids content about the ELH can be found at the Warrenborn mirror: http://www.warrenborn.com/Fiction/Mercenary%20Reviews/Eridani%20Light%20Horse.html --[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 14:05, 25 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
: I saw that. Not sure if it should be used as a citation, though? [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 16:59, 30 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== War of 3039 ==<br />
The last sentence, "It would be a decade before the 71st was back up to full strength." What does page 88 of the field manual say regarding the actual time? I can't believe it was exactly a decade. Just trying to edit the grammar a bit and make it more presentable. Need to know, in order to choose between either "nearly a decade" or "more than a decade." {{unsigned|Neoritter|on 29 April 2010}}<br />
:It was nearly a decade. I didn't write that though, as I thought it was too close to the text of FM:CS and didn't want to risk a plagarism claim.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 11:36, 29 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Considering that you have the source cited and that it's a statement of fact rather than an opinion. It shouldn't be considered plagarism. [[User:Neoritter|Neoritter]] 11:48, 30 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Malcomson v. Topps==<br />
What is the rationale for including a link to an outdated history of the ELH? I am of the opinion there is no merit to it and the link(s) should be removed. Moreover, I cannot find evidence to support the assertions concerning the lawsuit. I'm no legal scholar, but the only information I could find showed that the court ruled in summary judgement for Topps [http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=3118816840722269867&hl=en&as_sdt=2&as_vis=1&oi=scholarr] and the 9th Circuit Court refused to hear any appeal [http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=15277587156896246690&hl=en&as_sdt=2&as_vis=1&oi=scholarr], and made no statements concerning the merit of the written work. It seems I am missing a document. Please provide references for the material in question or it will be removed. --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 17:44, 23 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
:To counter the argument, I found the information interesting, and appreciated it being there. I do reckognize that this is all legal hot waters, but that in itself warrants inclusion on this wiki imho - it falls squarely into our "all things BattleTech" policy. I've been preparing writeups for BattleTech-related lawsuits including the ELH lawsuit, and once that article is written there should be a link from the ELH page anyways. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 23:31, 23 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::If I may, its my understanding that the content in question is no longer considered canon. (If it ever was.) I would vote that while Frabby's got a great idea with articles about lawsuits (Damn, BT has a lot of those!), those should strictly be footnotes in the ELH article. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 00:09, 24 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
::On the other hand, is it really wise to provide a link to said minefield? Yes, I know that everyone is responsible for their own action, but you see so much stupidity on the Internet and I rather no have anyone starting anything unpleasant on the CGL forums from a link they have found at Sarna. To be clear, I am not opposing the coverage of the history of the lawsuit, I am just opposing providing a link to the material that caused the trouble in the first case. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 00:38, 24 June 2012 (PDT)</div>Neufeldhttps://www.sarna.net/wiki/index.php?title=Luthien_Armor_Works&diff=257751Luthien Armor Works2012-06-22T11:36:01Z<p>Neufeld: Total Chaos has info that solves the Jihad destruction mystery.</p>
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[[File:Luthienarmorworks.png|right|thumb|Luthien Armor Works Company Logo]]<br />
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==Overview==<br />
'''Luthien Armor Works''' (also known as LAW), headquartered on [[Luthien]], is the largest [[BattleMech]] producer in the [[Draconis Combine]].<ref name=ORp69>''Objective Raids'', p.69, "Luthien Armor Works"</ref> At the start of the [[Jihad]], three nuclear warheads were detonated in the [[Luthien Armor Works - OmniMech Production Facility|LAW OmniMech facility]], destroying it completely. The EMP and radioactive fallout rippled through the other LAW facilities, inflicting massive damage. The corporation's headquarters tower collapsed as a result of this strike.<ref>''Masters and Minions: The StarCorps Dossiers'', p. 24</ref> Luthien Armor Works started to recover after making some drastic cutbacks. However, in [[3074]] the [[ISF]] exposed the CEO of LAW, [[Hoek Botterfield]], as a member of the [[Black Dragon Society]]. He was executed on Benjamin.<ref>''Masters and Minions: The StarCorps Dossiers'', p. 24</ref><br />
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Most of Luthien Armor Works' facilities on Luthien and Dieron were destroyed by the [[Word of Blake]]. Most of the resources that would formerly have gone to LAW factories has since been redirected into new companies. In fact the amount of time and effort required to rebuild these facilities would absorb massive amounts of capital. As a result of this, as of [[3079]] the Dragon has no plans to rebuild these facilities.<ref>''Objectives: Draconis Combine'', p. 3</ref> LAW is therefore focusing its efforts on the production lines at [[Abiy Adi]], [[Nykvarn]], [[Savinsville]], and [[New Samarkand]]. These lines came through the [[Jihad]] relatively intact.<ref>''Objectives: Draconis Combine'', p. 4</ref><br />
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==Manufacturing==<br />
Note:The LAW-Barcella facility receives its Clan technology from the [[Nova Cat]]s.<br />
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Luthien Armor Works has manufacturing centers on the following planets:<br />
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===Abiy Adi===<br />
'''Note:''' Since the stard of the Jihad, the facility on [[Abiy Adi]], suffers no losses of capital and personnel, and have a full production volume of 100% in [[3079]].<ref>''Objectives: Draconis Combine'', p. 4, "State of the Industry Table"</ref><br />
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! colspan="2" |Components produced on [[Abiy Adi]]:<ref name=TRO3050Up26>''Technical Readout: 3050 Upgrade'', p. 26, "Produced Jenner variants"</ref><ref name=TRO3050Up52>''Technical Readout: 3050 Upgrade'', p. 52, "Produced Wolf Trap 'Mech variants" </ref><br />
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! width="350pt" | Type<br />
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| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>BattleMechs</u><br />
|-<br />
| [[Jenner#Variants|JR7-C2 ''Jenner'']]<ref name=TRO3050Up26/><ref name=obdc7>''Objectives: Draconis Combine'', p. 7</ref><br />
| [[Light BattleMech]]<br />
|-<br />
| [[Jenner#Variants|JR7-K ''Jenner'']]<ref name=TRO3050Up26/><br />
| [[Light BattleMech]] - [[3049]] to [[3068]]<br />
|-<br />
| [[Wolf Trap|WFT-1 ''Wolf Trap'']]<ref name=TRO3050Up52/><ref name=obdc7/><br />
| [[Medium BattleMech]]<br />
|-<br />
| [[Wolf Trap#Variants|WFT-2 ''Wolf Trap'']]<ref name=TRO3050Up52/><ref name=obdc7/><br />
| [[Medium BattleMech]]<br />
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| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>[[Chassis]]</u><br />
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| [[Alshain Class 48]]<br />
| ''Jenner JR7-K''<ref name=TRO3050Up26/><br />
|-<br />
| [[Alshain Class 580]] [[Endo Steel]]<br />
| ''Wolf Trap''<ref name=TRO3050Up52/><br />
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| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>[[Fusion Engine]]</u><br />
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| [[Magna 245]]<br />
| ''Jenner JR7-K''<ref name=TRO3050Up26/><br />
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| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>[[Fusion Engine - XL]]</u><br />
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| [[Hermes 270 XL]]<br />
| ''Wolf Trap''<ref name=TRO3050Up52/><br />
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| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>[[Jump Jet]]s</u><br />
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| [[Lexington Ltd. Lifters]]<br />
| ''Jenner JR7-K''<ref name=TRO3050Up26/><br />
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| [[Durallex Special Medium]] w/[[CASE]]<br />
| ''Wolf Trap''<ref name=TRO3050Up52/><br />
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| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>[[Armor - FF - BattleMechs & Vehicles]]</u><br />
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| [[New Samarkand Royal]] [[Ferro Fibrous]] w/[[CASE]]<br />
| ''Jenner JR7-K''<ref name=TRO3050Up26/><br />
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| [[Sipher Security Plus]]<br />
| ''Jenner JR7-K''<ref name=TRO3050Up26/><br />
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| [[Sipher Security Plus 2]]<br />
| ''Wolf Trap''<ref name=TRO3050Up52/><br />
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| [[Eagle Eye 400 XX]]<br />
| ''Wolf Trap''<ref name=TRO3050Up52/><br />
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| [[Matabushi Sentinel]]<br />
| ''Jenner JR7-K''<ref name=TRO3050Up26/><br />
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| [[Imperator Code Red]]<br />
| ''Wolf Trap''<ref name=TRO3050Up52/><br />
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| [[Victory 23R]]<br />
| ''Jenner JR7-K''<ref name=TRO3050Up26/> & ''Wolf Trap''<ref name=TRO3050Up52/><br />
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| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>[[LRM-10]]</u><br />
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| [[Shingunga]]<br />
| ''Wolf Trap''<ref name=TRO3050Up52/><br />
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| [[Telos]]<br />
| ''Jenner JR7-K''<ref name=TRO3050Up26/><br />
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| ''[[SM1 Tank Destroyer]]''<ref name=TRO3075p130/><br />
| [[Hovercraft]] <br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>[[Fusion Engine]]</u><br />
|-<br />
| [[165 Standard]]<br />
| ''SM1 Tank Destroyer''<ref name=TRO3075p130/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>[[Armor - BattleMechs & Vehicles]]</u><br />
|-<br />
| [[Advanced Compound Beta]]<br />
| ''SM1 Tank Destroyer''<ref name=TRO3075p130/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>[[Communications System]]</u><br />
|-<br />
| [[Unit 2J2 "Basher"]]<br />
| ''SM1 Tank Destroyer''<ref name=TRO3075p130/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>[[Targeting-Tracking System]]</u><br />
|-<br />
| [[Able-Seven Sensor Suite]]<br />
| ''SM1 Tank Destroyer''<ref name=TRO3075p130/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>[[Ultra AC/20]]</u><br />
|-<br />
| [[Type 10]] <br />
| ''SM1 Tank Destroyer''<ref name=TRO3075p130/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>[[Light Machine Gun]]</u><br />
|-<br />
| [[Series 2C]] <br />
| ''SM1 Tank Destroyer''<ref name=TRO3075p130/><br />
|-<br />
|}<br />
<br />
===Luthien===<br />
'''NOTE:''' These lines were destroyed during the [[Jihad]]. Items produced on these lines are not available after [[3072]].<ref>''Objectives: Draconis Combine'', p. 3</ref><br />
<br />
{|class="wikitable" <br />
! colspan="2" |Components produced on [[Luthien]]:<ref name=ORp69/><ref name=TRO3058Up17>''Technical Readout 3058 Upgrade'', p. 17 ,"Produced Kage Battle Armor"</ref><ref name=TRO3058Up39>''Technical Readout 3058 Upgrade'', p. 39 ,"Produced Kanzuchi Battle Armor"</ref><ref name=TRO3039p112>''Technical Readout 3039'' p. 112 ,"Produced Jenner variants"</ref><ref name=TRO3055Up28>''Technical Readout: 3055 Upgrade'', p. 28, "Produced Daimyo variants"</ref><ref name=TRO3055Up32>''Technical Readout: 3055 Upgrade'', p. 32, "Produced Komodo 'Mech variants"</ref><ref name=TRO3039p142>''Technical Readout 3039'' p. 142 ,"Produced Dragon ' Mech variants"</ref><ref name=TRO3039p264>''Technical Readout: 3039'', p. 264, "Produced Lancelot 'Mech Components"</ref><ref name=TRO3039p144>''Technical Readout 3039'' p. 144 ,"Produced Quickdraw 4G ' Mech Components"</ref><ref name=TRO3050Up68>''Technical Readout: 3050 Upgrade'', p. 68, "Produced Quickdraw 5K 'Mech variant"</ref><ref name=TRO3055Up52>''Technical Readout: 3055 Upgrade'', p. 52, "Produced Daikyu 'Mech variants and components"</ref><ref name=TRO3039p156>''Technical Readout: 3039'', p. 156, "Produced Charger 1A1 'Mech Components"</ref><ref name=TRO3050Up86>''Technical Readout: 3050 Upgrade'', p. 68, "Produced Charger 3K 'Mech Components"</ref><ref name=TRO3039p232>''Technical Readout: 3039'', p. 232, "Produced Hatamoto-Chi 'Mech Components"</ref><ref name=TRO3058Up150>''Technical Readout: 3058 Upgrade'', p. 150, "Produced O-Bakemone 'Mech variants and components"</ref><ref name=TRO3050Up102>''Technical Readout: 3050 Upgrade'', p. 102, "Produced Mauler 1R 'Mech Components"</ref><br />
|-<br />
! width="350pt" | Component<br />
! width="350pt" | Type<br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>Battle Armor</u><br />
|-<br />
| ''[[Kage]]''<ref name=TRO3058Up17/><br />
| Light [[Battle Armor]]<br />
|-<br />
| ''[[Kanazuchi]]'' <ref name=TRO3058Up39/><br />
| Assault [[Battle Armor]]<br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>BattleMechs</u><br />
|-<br />
| [[Jenner|JR7-D ''Jenner'']]<ref name=TRO3039p112/><br />
| [[Light BattleMech]]<br />
|-<br />
| [[Jenner#Variants|JR7-F ''Jenner'']]<ref name=TRO3039p112/><br />
| [[Light BattleMech]]<br />
|-<br />
| [[Jenner#Variants#Variants|JR7-K ''Jenner'']]<ref name=ORp69/><br />
| [[Light BattleMech]]<br />
|-<br />
| [[Daimyo|DMO-1K ''Daimyo'']]<ref name=TRO3055Up28/><br />
| [[Medium BattleMech]] <br />
|-<br />
| [[Daimyo|DMO-2K ''Daimyo'']]<ref name=TRO3055Up28/><br />
| [[Medium BattleMech]] <br />
|-<br />
| [[Daimyo|DMO-4K ''Daimyo'']]<ref name=TRO3055Up28/><br />
| [[Medium BattleMech]]<br />
|-<br />
| [[Daimyo|DMO-5K ''Daimyo'']]<ref name=TRO3055Up28/><br />
| [[Medium BattleMech]] <br />
|-<br />
| [[Komodo|KIM-2 ''Komodo'']]<ref name=TRO3055Up32/><br />
| [[Medium BattleMech]]<br />
|-<br />
| [[Komodo#Variants|KIM-2C ''Komodo'']]<ref name=TRO3055Up32/><br />
| [[Medium BattleMech]] <br />
|-<br />
| [[Komodo#Variants|KIM-3C ''Komodo'']]<ref name=TRO3055Up32/><br />
| [[Medium BattleMech]] <br />
|-<br />
| [[Wolf Trap|WFT-1 ''Wolf Trap'']]<ref name=ORp69/><br />
| [[Medium BattleMech]] <br />
|-<br />
| [[Dragon|DRG-1N ''Dragon'']]<ref name=TRO3039p142/><br />
| [[Heavy BattleMech]] <br />
|-<br />
| [[Dragon#Variants|DRG-1G ''Dragon'']]<ref name=TRO3039p142/><br />
| [[Heavy BattleMech]]<br />
|-<br />
| [[Grand Dragon|DRG-5K ''Grand Dragon'']]<ref name=ORp69/><br />
| [[Heavy BattleMech]]<br />
|-<br />
| [[Lancelot|LNC25-02 ''Lancelot'']]<ref name=TRO3039p264/><br />
| [[Heavy BattleMech]]<br />
|-<br />
| [[Quickdraw|QKD-4G ''Quickdraw'']]<ref name=TRO3039p144/><br />
| [[Heavy BattleMech]] <br />
|-<br />
| [[Quickdraw#Variants|QKD-5K ''Quickdraw'']]<ref name=TRO3050Up68/><br />
| [[Heavy BattleMech]] <br />
|-<br />
| [[Quickdraw#Variants|QKD-5M ''Quickdraw'']]<ref name=ORp69/><br />
| [[Heavy BattleMech]]<br />
|-<br />
| [[Daikyu|DAI-01 ''Daikyu'']]<ref name=TRO3055Up52/><br />
| [[Heavy BattleMech]] <br />
|-<br />
| [[Daikyu#Variants|DAI-02 ''Daikyu'']]<ref name=TRO3055Up52/><br />
| [[Heavy BattleMech]] <br />
|-<br />
| [[Daikyu#Variants|DAI-03 ''Daikyu'']]<ref name=TRO3055Up52/><br />
| [[Heavy BattleMech]] <br />
|-<br />
| [[Charger|CGR-1A1 ''Charger'']]<ref name=TRO3039p156/><br />
| [[Assault BattleMech]]<br />
|-<br />
| [[Charger#Variants|CGR-3K ''Charger'']]<ref name=ORp69/><ref name=TRO3050Up86/><br />
| [[Assault BattleMech]] <br />
|-<br />
| [[Hatamoto-Chi|HTM-26T ''Hatamoto-Chi'']]<ref name=TRO3039p232/><br />
| [[Assault BattleMech]]<br />
|-<br />
| [[O-Bakemono|OBK-M10 ''O-Bakemono'']]<ref name=TRO3058Up150/><br />
| [[Assault BattleMech]] <br />
|-<br />
| [[O-Bakemono#Variants|OBK-M11 ''O-Bakemono'']]<ref name=TRO3058Up150/><br />
| [[Assault BattleMech]] <br />
|-<br />
| [[O-Bakemono#Variants|OBK-M12 ''O-Bakemono'']]<ref name=TRO3058Up150/><br />
| [[Assault BattleMech]] <br />
|-<br />
| [[Mauler|MAL-1R ''Mauler'']]<ref name=ORp69/><ref name=TRO3050Up102/><br />
| [[Assault BattleMech]] <br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>[[Chassis]]</u><br />
|-<br />
| [[Alshain DAI]]<br />
| ''Daikyu''<ref name=TRO3055Up52/> <br />
|-<br />
| [[Alshain Type 56-60H]]<br />
| ''Dragon 1N''<ref name=TRO3039p142/> & ''Grand Dragon 5K''<ref name=ORp69/><br />
|-<br />
| [[Alshain Type 59-40M]]<br />
| ''Daimyo 1K''<ref name=TRO3055Up28/><br />
|-<br />
| [[Alshain Type Chi]]<br />
| ''Komodo KIM-2''<ref name=TRO3055Up32/><br />
|-<br />
| [[Alshain Class 48]]<br />
| ''Jenner 7K''<ref name=ORp69/><br />
|-<br />
| [[Alshain Class 92]]<br />
| ''Charger 3K''<ref name=ORp69/><ref name=TRO3050Up86/><br />
|-<br />
| [[Alshain Class 92b]]<br />
| ''O-Bakemono M10''<ref name=TRO3058Up150/><br />
|-<br />
| [[Alshain 101]]<br />
| ''Mauler 1R''<ref name=ORp69/><ref name=TRO3050Up102/><br />
|-<br />
| [[Alshain Class 580]] [[Endo Steel]]<br />
| ''Wolftrap''<ref name=ORp69/><br />
|-<br />
| [[Diplan Scout-A]]<br />
| ''Jenner JR7-D''<ref name=TRO3039p112/><br />
|-<br />
| [[Earthwerks VOL]]<br />
| ''Hatamoto-Chi''<ref name=TRO3039p232/><br />
|-<br />
| [[LAW LNC25-02]]<br />
| ''Lancelot''<ref name=TRO3039p264/><br />
|-<br />
| [[Technicron Type E]]<br />
| ''Quickdraw 5M''<ref name=ORp69/> & ''Quickdraw 4G''<ref name=TRO3039p144/><br />
|-<br />
| [[Wells 990]]<br />
| ''Charger 1A1''<ref name=TRO3039p156/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>[[Fusion Engine]]</u><br />
|-<br />
| [[Hermes 140]]<br />
| Shipped to [[Tok Do]] for ''Panther''<ref name=ORp69/><br />
|-<br />
| [[LTV 400]]<br />
| ''Charger 1A1''<ref name=TRO3039p156/><br />
|-<br />
| [[Magna 245]]<br />
| ''Jenner 7K''<ref name=ORp69/> & ''Jenner JR7-D''<ref name=TRO3039p112/><br />
|-<br />
| [[Magna 300]]<br />
| ''Quickdraw 5M''<ref name=ORp69/><br />
|-<br />
| [[Nissan 200]]<br />
| ''Daimyo 1K''<ref name=TRO3055Up28/><br />
|-<br />
| [[Pitban 240]]<br />
| ''Lancelot''<ref name=TRO3039p264/><br />
|-<br />
| [[Pitban 320]]<br />
| ''Hatamoto-Chi''<ref name=TRO3039p232/><br />
|-<br />
| [[Vlar 300]]<br />
| ''Dragon 1N''<ref name=TRO3039p142/> & ''Quickdraw 4G''<ref name=TRO3039p144/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>[[Fusion Engine - XL]]</u><br />
|-<br />
| [[Hermes 270 XL]]<br />
| ''Wolftrap & Mauler 1R''<ref name=ORp69/><ref name=TRO3050Up102/><br />
|-<br />
| [[Hermes 320 XL]]<br />
| ''O-Bakemono M10''<ref name=TRO3058Up150/><br />
|-<br />
| [[Hermes 360 XL]]<br />
| ''Grand Dragon 5K''<ref name=ORp69/><br />
|-<br />
| [[Hermes 400 XL]]<br />
| ''Charger 3K''<ref name=ORp69/><ref name=TRO3050Up86/><br />
|-<br />
| [[LTV 400 XL]]<br />
| ?? to [[3068]]<br />
|-<br />
| [[Magna 350 XL]]<br />
| ''Daikyu''<ref name=TRO3055Up52/><br />
|-<br />
| [[VOX 225 XL]]<br />
| ''Komodo KIM-2''<ref name=TRO3055Up32/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>[[Jump Jet]]s</u><br />
|-<br />
| [[Chilton 460]]<br />
| ''Quickdraw 5M''<ref name=ORp69/> & ''Quickdraw 4G''<ref name=TRO3039p144/><br />
|-<br />
| [[Icarus 81]]<br />
| ''Komodo KIM-2''<ref name=TRO3055Up32/><br />
|-<br />
| [[Lexington Ltd. Lifters]]<br />
| ''Charger 3K''<ref name=TRO3050Up86/> /Shipped to [[Quentin]] for ''[[Victor]]'' and to [[Tok Do]] for ''Panther''<ref name=ORp69/><br />
|-<br />
| [[Smithson Lifters]]<br />
| ''Jenner JR7-D''<ref name=TRO3039p112/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>[[Armor - BattleMechs & Vehicles]]</u><br />
|-<br />
| [[Durallex Heavy]]<br />
| ''Charger 1A1''<ref name=TRO3039p156/><br />
|-<br />
| [[Mitchell Argon]]<br />
| ''Hatamoto-Chi''<ref name=TRO3039p232/><br />
|-<br />
| [[Riese 475]]<br />
| ''Quickdraw 4G''<ref name=TRO3039p144/><br />
|-<br />
| [[StarSlab-3]]<br />
| ''O-Bakemono M10''<ref name=TRO3058Up150/><br />
|-<br />
| [[Starshield]]<br />
| ''Jenner JR7-D''<ref name=TRO3039p112/>, ''Dragon 1N''<ref name=TRO3039p142/> & ''Lancelot''<ref name=TRO3039p264/><br />
|-<br />
| [[Starshild A]] w/[[CASE]]<br />
| ''Daikyu''<ref name=TRO3055Up52/><br />
|-<br />
| [[Valiant Lamellor]]<br />
| ''Komodo KIM-2''<ref name=TRO3055Up32/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>[[Armor - FF - BattleMechs & Vehicles]]</u><br />
|-<br />
| [[New Samarkand Royal]] [[Ferro Fibrous]] w/[[CASE]]<br />
| ''Charger 3K''<ref name=TRO3050Up86/> & ''Mauler 1R''<ref name=TRO3050Up102/><br />
|-<br />
| [[Starshield]] [[Ferro Fibrous]]<br />
| ''Daimyo 1K''<ref name=TRO3055Up28/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>[[Communications System]]</u><br />
|-<br />
| [[Boran Meta-Sygnus Plus]]<br />
| ''Charger 3K''<ref name=TRO3050Up86/><br />
|-<br />
| [[Colmax 90]]<br />
| ''Hatamoto-Chi''<ref name=TRO3039p232/><br />
|-<br />
| [[Dawson III]]<br />
| ''Jenner JR7-D''<ref name=TRO3039p112/><br />
|-<br />
| [[Garret T12E]]<br />
| ''Quickdraw 4G''<ref name=TRO3039p144/><br />
|-<br />
| [[Sipher CommSys 3]]<br />
| ''Dragon 1N''<ref name=TRO3039p142/><br />
|-<br />
| [[Sipher KIT-4]]<br />
| ''Lancelot''<ref name=TRO3039p264/><br />
|-<br />
| [[Sipher CommSys 4]]<br />
| ''Daimyo 1K''<ref name=TRO3055Up28/><br />
|-<br />
| [[Sipher Secutity Plus]] w/[[Guardian ECM Suit]]<br />
| ''Komodo KIM-2''<ref name=TRO3055Up32/>, ''Daikyu'' (not equided with Guardian ECM)<ref name=TRO3055Up52/> & ''O-Bakemono M10'' (not equided with Guardian ECM)<ref name=TRO3058Up150/><br />
|-<br />
| [[Sipher Security Plus MK. II]]<br />
| ''Mauler 1R''<ref name=TRO3050Up102/><br />
|-<br />
| [[Tek BattleCom]]<br />
| ''Charger 1A1''<ref name=TRO3039p156/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>[[Targeting-Tracking System]]</u><br />
|-<br />
| [[Bk-309]]<br />
| ''Jenner JR7-D''<ref name=TRO3039p112/><br />
|-<br />
| [[Dalban Hirez]]<br />
| ''Charger 1A1''<ref name=TRO3039p156/><br />
|-<br />
| [[Delta Track]] w/[[Artemis IV FCS]]<br />
| ''Charger 3K''<ref name=TRO3050Up86/><br />
|-<br />
| [[Dynatec 2180]]<br />
| ''Quickdraw 4G''<ref name=TRO3039p144/><br />
|-<br />
| [[Eagle Eye SY10-10]]<br />
| ''Daimyo 1K''<ref name=TRO3055Up28/> & ''Dragon 1N''<ref name=TRO3039p142/><br />
|-<br />
| [[Eagle Eye 410 XX]] w/[[TAG]]<br />
| ''Komodo KIM-2''<ref name=TRO3055Up32/><br />
|-<br />
| [[Garret D2j]]<br />
| ''Hatamoto-Chi''<ref name=TRO3039p232/><br />
|-<br />
| [[Hawkeye B3]]<br />
| ''Lancelot''<ref name=TRO3039p264/><br />
|-<br />
| [[Matabushi Sentinel]]<br />
| ''Daikyu''<ref name=TRO3055Up52/> & ''O-Bakemono M10''<ref name=TRO3058Up150/><br />
|-<br />
| [[Matabushi SuperSentinel]]<br />
| ''Mauler 1R''<ref name=TRO3050Up102/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>[[Small Laser]]</u><br />
|-<br />
| [[ChisComp 32]]<br />
| ''O-Bakemono M10''<ref name=TRO3058Up150/><br />
|-<br />
| [[Magna Mark I]]<br />
| ''Charger 1A1''<ref name=TRO3039p156/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>[[Medium Laser]]</u><br />
|-<br />
| [[Argra 3L]]<br />
| ''Jenner JR7-D''<ref name=TRO3039p112/><br />
|-<br />
| [[Diverse Optics Type 20]]<br />
| ''Daikyu''<ref name=TRO3055Up52/> & ''O-Bakemono M10''<ref name=TRO3058Up150/><br />
|-<br />
| [[Omicron 4000]]<br />
| ''Quickdraw 4G''<ref name=TRO3039p144/><br />
|-<br />
| [[Victory 23R]]<br />
|''Daimyo 1K''<ref name=TRO3055Up28/>, ''Komodo KIM-2''<ref name=TRO3055Up32/>, ''Dragon 1N''<ref name=TRO3039p142/> & ''Lancelot''<ref name=TRO3039p264/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>[[ER Medium Laser]]</u><br />
|-<br />
| [[Victory Heartbeat]]<br />
| ''Charger 3K''<ref name=TRO3050Up86/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>[[Large Laser]]</u><br />
|-<br />
| [[Sunglow]]<br />
| ''Lancelot''<ref name=TRO3039p264/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>[[ER Large Laser]]</u><br />
|-<br />
| [[Victory Nickel Alloy]]<br />
| ''Mauler 1R''<ref name=TRO3050Up102/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>[[PPC]]</u><br />
|-<br />
| [[Lord's Light]]<br />
| ''Lancelot''<ref name=TRO3039p264/><br />
|-<br />
| [[Tiegart]]<br />
| ''Hatamoto-Chi''<ref name=TRO3039p232/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>[[ER PPC]]</u><br />
|-<br />
| [[Lord's Light 2]]<br />
| ''Daimyo 1K''<ref name=TRO3055Up28/> & ''Daikyu''<ref name=TRO3055Up52/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>[[AC-2]]</u><br />
|-<br />
| [[Imperator]]<br />
| ''Mauler 1R''<ref name=TRO3050Up102/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>[[AC-5]]</u><br />
|-<br />
| [[Imperator-A]]<br />
| ''Dragon 1N''<ref name=TRO3039p142/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>[[Ultra AC/5]]</u><br />
|-<br />
| [[Imperator]]<br />
| ''Daikyu''<ref name=TRO3055Up52/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>[[Arrow IV Artillery]]</u><br />
|-<br />
| [[Shigunga]]<br />
| ''O-Bakemono M10''<ref name=TRO3058Up150/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>[[SRM-4]]</u><br />
|-<br />
| [[Hovertec]]<br />
| ''Quickdraw 4G''<ref name=TRO3039p144/><br />
|-<br />
| [[Thunderstroke]]<br />
| ''Jenner JR7-D''<ref name=TRO3039p112/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>[[SRM-6]]</u><br />
|-<br />
| [[Bical-6]]<br />
| ''Hatamoto-Chi''<ref name=TRO3039p232/><br />
|-<br />
| [[Shannon SH-60]]<br />
| ''Daimyo 1K''<ref name=TRO3055Up28/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>[[LRM-10]]</u><br />
|-<br />
| [[Delta Dart]]<br />
| ''Quickdraw 4G''<ref name=TRO3039p144/><br />
|-<br />
| [[Shigunga]]<br />
| ''Wolftrap'' /Shipped to [[Al Na'ir]] for ''Saracen'' and [[Proserpina]] for ''Manticore''<ref name=ORp69/><br />
|-<br />
| [[Telos DecaCluster]]<br />
| ''Dragon 1N''<ref name=TRO3039p142/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>[[LRM-15]]</u><br />
|-<br />
| [[Shigunga]]<br />
| ''Mauler 1R''<ref name=ORp69/><ref name=TRO3050Up102/> <br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>[[LRM-20]]</u><br />
|-<br />
| [[Shigunga]]<br />
| ''Charger 3K''<ref name=TRO3050Up86/> / shipped to [[Al Na'ir]] and [[Quentin]] for ''Atlas'' and to [[Chatham]] for ''Shilone'' & ''Lucifer II''<ref name=ORp69/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>[[Anti-Missile System]]</u><br />
|-<br />
| [[Yori Flyswatter]]<br />
| ''Komodo KIM-2''<ref name=TRO3055Up32/><br />
|}<br />
<br />
===New Samarkand===<br />
{|class="wikitable" <br />
! colspan="2" |Components produced on [[New Samarkand]]:<ref name=TROPROp106>''Technical Readout: Prototypes'', p. 106, "Produced Wolf Trap 2B"</ref><ref name=TRO3085p244>''Technical Readout: 3085'', p. 244, "Produced Wolverine Components"</ref><ref name=TRO3039p234>''Technical Readout: 3039'', p. 234, "Produced Daboku 'Mech Components"</ref><br />
|-<br />
! width="350pt" | Component<br />
! width="350pt" | Type<br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>BattleMechs</u><br />
|-<br />
| [[Jenner#Variants|JR10-X ''Jenner'']]<ref name=XTRO3>''Experimental Technical Readout: Kurita'', p. 3, "Produced Jenner 10X Variant" </ref><br />
| [[Light BattleMech]]<br />
|-<br />
| [[Wolf Trap#Variants|WFT-2B ''Wolf Trap'']]<ref name=TROPROp106/><br />
| [[Medium BattleMech]]<br />
|-<br />
| [[Wolf Trap#Variants|WFT-2X ''Wolf Trap'' "Bear Trap"]]<ref name=XTRO4>''Experimental Technical Readout: Kurita'', p. 4, "Produced Wolf Trap 2X Variant" </ref><br />
| [[Medium BattleMech]]<br />
|-<br />
| [[Wolverine (BattleMech)#Variants|WVR-9W2 ''Wolverine'']]<ref name=TRO3085p244/><br />
| [[Medium BattleMech]]<br />
|-<br />
| [[Banzai|BNZ-X ''Banzai'']]<ref name=XTRO7>''Experimental Technical Readout: Kurita'', p. 7, "Produced Banzei 'Mech" </ref><br />
| [[Assault BattleMech]]<br />
|-<br />
| [[Daboku|DCMS-MX90-D ''Daboku'']]<ref name=TRO3039p234/><br />
| [[Assault BattleMech]]<br />
|-<br />
| [[Mauler|MAL-1R ''Mauler'']]<ref name=TRO3050U>''Technical Readout: 3050 Upgrade'', p. 102</ref><br />
| [[Assault BattleMech]]<br />
|-<br />
| [[Mauler|MAL-3R ''Mauler'']]<ref name=obdc28>''Objectives: Draconis Combine'', p. 28</ref><br />
| [[Assault BattleMech]]<br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>[[Chassis]]</u><br />
|-<br />
| [[Alshain Class 100-X]]<br />
| ''Daboku''<ref name=TRO3039p234/><br />
|-<br />
| [[Ashain Class 101]]<br />
| ''Mauler''<ref name=TRO3050U/><br />
|-<br />
| [[Alshain Class 580]] [[Endo Steel]]<br />
| ''Wolf Trab 2B''<ref name=TROPROp106/><br />
|-<br />
| [[Crucis-A]]<br />
| ''Wolverine 9W2''<ref name=TRO3085p244/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>[[Fusion Engine]]</u><br />
|-<br />
| [[Hermes 270]]<br />
| ''Daboku''<ref name=TRO3039p234/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>[[Fusion Engine - XL]]</u><br />
|-<br />
| [[Hermes 270 XL]]<br />
| ''Wolf Trab 2B''<ref name=TROPROp106/> & ''Mauler 1R''<ref name=TRO3050U/>/Shipped to [[Al Na'ir]] for ''Maxim''<br />
|-<br />
| [[Nissan 275 XL]]<br />
| ''Wolverine 9W2''<ref name=TRO3085p244/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>[[Jump Jet]]s</u><br />
|-<br />
| [[Northrup StarLifters M41s ]]<br />
| ''Wolverine 9W2''<ref name=TRO3085p244/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>[[Armor - BattleMechs & Vehicles]]</u><br />
|-<br />
| [[Starshield A]] w/[[CASE]]<br />
| ''Wolverine 9W2''<ref name=TRO3085p244/><br />
|-<br />
| [[Wakazashi Standard Plate]] w/[[CASE]]<br />
| ''Daboku''<ref name=TRO3039p234/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>[[Armor - FF - BattleMechs & Vehicles]]</u><br />
|-<br />
| [[New Samarkand Royal]] [[Ferro Fibrous]]<br />
| ''Wolf Trab 2B''<ref name=TROPROp106/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>[[Communications System]]</u><br />
|-<br />
| [[Garret T-11b]] w/[[Guardian ECM]] & [[C3 Slave]]<br />
| ''Wolverine 9W2''<ref name=TRO3085p244/><br />
|-<br />
| [[Sipher Security II]]<br />
| ''Daboku''<ref name=TRO3039p234/><br />
|-<br />
| [[Sipher Security Plus 2]]<br />
| ''Wolf Trab 2B''<ref name=TROPROp106/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>[[Targeting-Tracking System]]</u><br />
|-<br />
| [[Cat's Eyes 5]] w/[[Artemis IV]]<br />
| ''Wolverine 9W2''<ref name=TRO3085p244/><br />
|-<br />
| [[Eagle Eye 400 XX]]<br />
| ''Wolf Trab 2B''<ref name=TROPROp106/><br />
|-<br />
| [[Matabushi Sentinel-4]]<br />
| ''Daboku''<ref name=TRO3039p234/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>[[ER Small Laser]]</u><br />
|-<br />
| [[Diverse Optics (ERSL)|Diverse Optics]]<br />
| ''Wolverine 9W2''<ref name=TRO3085p244/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>[[ER Medium Laser]]</u><br />
|-<br />
| [[Diverse Optics (ERML)|Diverse Optics]]<br />
| ''Wolverine 9W2''<ref name=TRO3085p244/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>[[Medium X-Pulse Laser]]</u><br />
|-<br />
| [[Diverse Optics Type 25PX]]<br />
| ''Wolf Trab 2B''<ref name=TROPROp106/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>[[Large Laser]]</u><br />
|-<br />
| [[Tronel VI-X]]<br />
| ''Daboku''<ref name=TRO3039p234/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>[[AC-2]]</u><br />
|-<br />
| [[Imperator Smoothie-2]]<br />
| ''Daboku''<ref name=TRO3039p234/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>[[Gauss Rifle]]</u><br />
|-<br />
| [[Imperator Dragon's Fire]]<br />
| ''Wolf Trab 2B''<ref name=TROPROp106/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>[[Light PPC]]</u><br />
|-<br />
| [[Lord's Light 4]]<br />
| ''Wolverine 9W2''<ref name=TRO3085p244/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>[[MML-5]]</u><br />
|-<br />
| [[Shigunga]]<br />
| ''Wolverine 9W2''<ref name=TRO3085p244/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>[[LRM-15]]</u><br />
|-<br />
| [[Shigunga]]<br />
| ''Mauler''<ref name=TRO3050U/><br />
|}<br />
<br />
===Nykvarn===<br />
'''Note:''' During the [[Jihad]], the facility on [[Nykvarn]], suffers no capital and personnel losses, and the operating capacity of the factory has the main production volume of 90% in [[3079]].<ref name=ODCp4>''Objectives: Draconis Combine'', p. 4, "State of the Industry Table"</ref><br />
<br />
{|class="wikitable" <br />
! colspan="2" |Components produced on [[Nykvarn]]:<ref name=TRO3050Up66>''Technical Readout: 3050 Upgrade'', p. 66, "Produced Grand Dragon DRG-5K, 7K, 9KC variants" </ref><ref name=obdc12>''Objectives: Draconis Combine'', p. 12</ref><br />
|-<br />
! width="350pt" | Component<br />
! width="350pt" | Type<br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>BattleMechs</u><br />
|-<br />
| [[Grand Dragon|DRG-5K ''Grand Dragon'']]<ref name=TRO3050Up66/><ref name=obdc12/><br />
| [[Heavy BattleMech]]<br />
|-<br />
| [[Grand Dragon|DRG-9KC ''Grand Dragon'']]<ref name=TRO3050Up66/><br />
| [[Heavy BattleMech]]<br />
|-<br />
| ''[[Ostroc]]''<ref name=obdc12/><br />
| [[Heavy BattleMech]] (after [[3075]])<ref name=obdc12/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>[[Chassis]]</u><br />
|-<br />
| [[Nykvarn Type 58-66SH]]<br />
| ''Grand Dragon 5K''<ref name=TRO3050Up66/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>[[Fusion Engine - XL]]</u><br />
|-<br />
| [[Hermes 360 XL]]<br />
| ''Grand Dragon 5K''<ref name=TRO3050Up66/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>[[Armor - BattleMechs & Vehicles]]</u><br />
|-<br />
| [[Starshild]] w/[[CASE]]<br />
| ''Grand Dragon 5K''<ref name=TRO3050Up66/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>[[Communications System]]</u><br />
|-<br />
| [[Sipher CommSys 3]]<br />
| ''Grand Dragon 5K''<ref name=TRO3050Up66/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>[[Targeting-Tracking System]]</u><br />
|-<br />
| [[Eagle Eye SY10-10]]<br />
| ''Grand Dragon 5K''<ref name=TRO3050Up66/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>[[ER PPC]]</u><br />
|-<br />
| [[Lord's Light 2]]<br />
| ''Grand Dragon 5K''<ref name=TRO3050Up66/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>[[Medium Laser]]</u><br />
|-<br />
| [[Victory 23R]]<br />
| ''Grand Dragon 5K''<ref name=TRO3050Up66/><br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>[[LRM-10]]</u><br />
|-<br />
| [[Telos DecaCluste]]<br />
| ''Grand Dragon 5K''<ref name=TRO3050Up66/><br />
|}<br />
<br />
===Savinsville===<br />
'''Note:''' During the [[Jihad]], the facility on [[Savinsville]], suffers no capital and personnel losses, and the operating capacity of the factory has the main production volume of 75% in [[3079]].<ref name=ODCp4/><br />
<br />
{|class="wikitable" <br />
! colspan="2" |Components produced on [[Savinsville]]:<br />
|-<br />
! width="350pt" | Component<br />
! width="350pt" | Type<br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" align="center " | <u>BattleArmor</u><br />
|-<br />
| [[Kanazuchi]]<ref name=obdc14>''Objectives: Draconis Combine'', p. 14</ref><br />
| Assault [[Battle Armor]]<br />
|}<br />
<br />
==References==<br />
<references /><br />
<br />
==Bibliography==<br />
*''[[Experimental Technical Readout: Gladiators]]''<br />
*''[[Experimental Technical Readout: Kurita]]''<br />
*''[[Objective Raids]]'' <br />
*''[[Objectives: Draconis Combine]]''<br />
*''[[Technical Readout: 3039]]''<br />
*''[[Technical Readout: 3050 Upgrade]]''<br />
*''[[Technical Readout: 3055 Upgrade]]''<br />
*''[[Technical Readout: 3058 Upgrade]]''<br />
*''[[Technical Readout: 3075]]''<br />
*''[[Technical Readout: 3085]]''<br />
*''[[Technical Readout: Prototypes]]''<br />
<br />
[[Category:Manufacturing Centers|Luthien Armor Works]]<br />
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{{infoBoxMercUnit<br />
| image = [[File:Grim Determination.jpg]]<br />
| unitname = Grim Determination<br />
| year = 3067<br />
| commander = Colonel Oliver Haarhar<br />
| jumpships = no<br />
| dropships = yes<br />
| aero = yes<br />
| armor = yes<br />
| infantry = yes<br />
}}<br />
<br />
<br />
==History==<br />
The unit has has unusually bad luck since they joined the [[Chaos March]]. An unknown force slaughtered 1 battalion during an assault. The heavy losses were a blow for the overall moral. The personnel shortage in the [[FedCom Civil War]] was aggravated further due to sustained losses in other engagements. <br />
<br />
The Colonel signed critical short term contracts with high payments with the goal of a fast rebuild of the unit. The units experience in the Chaos March makes them experts in anti-terrorist operations and riot control. The last contract of the unit was employment as a garrison force for Sheratan.<br />
<br />
The unit was destroyed by forces hired by the [[Word of Blake]] in [[3070]] on [[Sheratan]].<ref>''Jihad Hot Spots: 3070'', p. 122-123</ref><br />
<br />
==Officer==<br />
Colonel Oliver Haarhar leads this unit in least decades and has the respect of its men.<br />
<br />
==Tactic==<br />
Grim Determination are experts in nighttime operations and bad sight conditions. Also they are drilled in counter-insurgency and scouting mission.<br />
(The loose of their 4th battalions hampered their efforts.)<br />
<br />
==Support==<br />
The unit has a surplus by his Dropship capacity and the technical staff can handle all demands off the unit. In hard times the [[Dropship]]s leased to pay thee bills.<br />
<br />
==Dragoon Ratings==<br />
===3067===<br />
'''Dragoon Rating: C'''<br />
<br />
==Compisition==<br />
===3025===<br />
''' Grim Determination''' (Regiment/Regular/Reliable)<br />
<ref name=HDFSp139>''House Davion (The Federated Suns)'' ,p.138</ref><br />
:Contract: AFFS<br />
:*CO: Colonel Fiona Trent<br />
<br />
===3040===<br />
''' Grim Determination''' (Regiment/Regular/Reliable)<ref name=HWO3039>''Historical: War of 3039'' , p. 141 </ref><br />
:Contract: AFFC<br />
<br />
===3054===<br />
''' Grim Determination''' (Regiment/Regular/Reliable)<br />
:Contract: AFFC <ref name=MWobraidp17 > ''Objective Raids'', p. 17</ref> <br />
:*CO: Colonel Hardy Haarhar <ref name=MWobraidp17/><br />
<br />
===3067===<br />
'''Grim Determination'''(1 [[Regiment]]/Regular/Questionable)<br />
* 1st Battalion: [[Colonel]] Oliver Haarhar<br />
* 2nd Battalion: [[Major]] Byron Smith<br />
* 3rd Battalion: Major Anne Martinez <br />
- Every battalion contains a separated scout lance.<br />
- The entire unit is fully upgraded ([[C3]] and [[Active Probe]]s are common)<br />
<br />
'''Grim Determination Aerospace'''(2 Squadrons/Veteran/Questionable)<br />
* CO: Captain Anne Dobbs<br />
<br />
'''Grim Determination Armor'''([[Battalion]]/Veteran/Reliable)<br />
* CO: Major Elsa Burke<br />
- The tank battalion is supported through a motorized infantry company with special skills.<br />
<br />
==Notes==<br />
*Employed the world of [[Sheratan]] in the [[Chaos March]] when the Word of Blake hired other mercenaries through middle-men (pretending to be from the Federated Suns) during November 3070 with explicit orders to destroy the Grim Determination. Most of the unit was annihilated by the attackers.<br />
<br />
==References==<br />
<references /><br />
*''Mercenaries Supplemental'', p. 34 - "Unit Profile"<br />
*''Blake Ascending'', p. 283<br />
*''Mercenaries Supplemental Update'' p.12<br />
<br />
==Bibliography==<br />
*''[[Mercenaries Supplemental]]''<br />
*''[[Blake Ascending]]''<br />
*''[[Jihad Hot Spots: 3070]]''<br />
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[[Category:Mercenary Commands]]</div>Neufeldhttps://www.sarna.net/wiki/index.php?title=Grim_Determination&diff=257747Grim Determination2012-06-22T10:45:07Z<p>Neufeld: Total chaos has some additional info.</p>
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{{Update Needed|[[Field Manual: Free Worlds League]], [[Total Chaos]]}}<br />
{{infoBoxMercUnit<br />
| image = [[File:Grim Determination.jpg]]<br />
| unitname = Grim Determination<br />
| year = 3067<br />
| commander = Colonel Oliver Haarhar<br />
| jumpships = no<br />
| dropships = yes<br />
| aero = yes<br />
| armor = yes<br />
| infantry = yes<br />
}}<br />
<br />
<br />
==History==<br />
The unit has has unusually bad luck since they joined the [[Chaos March]]. An unknown force slaughtered 1 battalion during an assault. The heavy losses were a blow for the overall moral. The personnel shortage in the [[FedCom Civil War]] was aggravated further due to sustained losses in other engagements. <br />
<br />
The Colonel signed critical short term contracts with high payments with the goal of a fast rebuild of the unit. The units experience in the Chaos March makes them experts in anti-terrorist operations and riot control. Currently the unit is employed as a garrison force for Sheraton.<br />
<br />
The unit was annihilated by forces loyal to the [[Word of Blake]] in [[3070]] on [[Sheratan]]. {{cn}}<br />
<br />
==Officer==<br />
Colonel Oliver Haarhar leads this unit in least decades and has the respect of its men.<br />
<br />
==Tactic==<br />
Grim Determination are experts in nighttime operations and bad sight conditions. Also they are drilled in counter-insurgency and scouting mission.<br />
(The loose of their 4th battalions hampered their efforts.)<br />
<br />
==Support==<br />
The unit has a surplus by his Dropship capacity and the technical staff can handle all demands off the unit. In hard times the [[Dropship]]s leased to pay thee bills.<br />
<br />
==Dragoon Ratings==<br />
===3067===<br />
'''Dragoon Rating: C'''<br />
<br />
==Compisition==<br />
===3025===<br />
''' Grim Determination''' (Regiment/Regular/Reliable)<br />
<ref name=HDFSp139>''House Davion (The Federated Suns)'' ,p.138</ref><br />
:Contract: AFFS<br />
:*CO: Colonel Fiona Trent<br />
<br />
===3040===<br />
''' Grim Determination''' (Regiment/Regular/Reliable)<ref name=HWO3039>''Historical: War of 3039'' , p. 141 </ref><br />
:Contract: AFFC<br />
<br />
===3054===<br />
''' Grim Determination''' (Regiment/Regular/Reliable)<br />
:Contract: AFFC <ref name=MWobraidp17 > ''Objective Raids'', p. 17</ref> <br />
:*CO: Colonel Hardy Haarhar <ref name=MWobraidp17/><br />
<br />
===3067===<br />
'''Grim Determination'''(1 [[Regiment]]/Regular/Questionable)<br />
* 1st Battalion: [[Colonel]] Oliver Haarhar<br />
* 2nd Battalion: [[Major]] Byron Smith<br />
* 3rd Battalion: Major Anne Martinez <br />
- Every battalion contains a separated scout lance.<br />
- The entire unit is fully upgraded ([[C3]] and [[Active Probe]]s are common)<br />
<br />
'''Grim Determination Aerospace'''(2 Squadrons/Veteran/Questionable)<br />
* CO: Captain Anne Dobbs<br />
<br />
'''Grim Determination Armor'''([[Battalion]]/Veteran/Reliable)<br />
* CO: Major Elsa Burke<br />
- The tank battalion is supported through a motorized infantry company with special skills.<br />
<br />
==Notes==<br />
*Employed the world of [[Sheratan]] in the [[Chaos March]] when the Word of Blake hired other mercenaries through middle-men (pretending to be from the Federated Suns) during November 3070 with explicit orders to destroy the Grim Determination. Most of the unit was annihilated by the attackers.<br />
<br />
==References==<br />
<references /><br />
*''Mercenaries Supplemental'', p. 34 - "Unit Profile"<br />
*''Blake Ascending'', p. 283<br />
*''Mercenaries Supplemental Update'' p.12<br />
<br />
==Bibliography==<br />
*''[[Mercenaries Supplemental]]''<br />
*''[[Blake Ascending]]''<br />
<br />
[[Category:Mercenary Commands]]</div>Neufeldhttps://www.sarna.net/wiki/index.php?title=Battle_of_the_LAW_City_Ruins&diff=257675Battle of the LAW City Ruins2012-06-21T21:32:22Z<p>Neufeld: Total chaos has some additional info.</p>
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{{InfoBoxConflict<br />
| conflict = Battle of the LAW City Ruins<br />
| partof = [[Battle of Luthien (Jihad)|Battle of Luthien]]<br />
| image = <br />
| date = 18 July [[3069]]<br />
| place = [[LAW City]]<br />
| planet = [[Luthien]]<br />
| commander1 = ''Tai-sa'' [[Li Sak To]]<br />
| forces1 = [[2nd Sword of Light]]<br>(Black Dragon)<br>[[6th Benjamin Regulars]]<br>[[40th Dieron Regulars]]<br />
| commander2 = ''Tai-sa'' [[Shih Chou]]<ref>Presumed, as he was the acting commanding officer at the start of the [[Battle of Luthien (Jihad)|Battle of Luthien]]</ref><br />
| forces2 = [[1st Genyosha]]<br />
| commander3 = Precentor [[William Nikoli]]<ref>Presumed, as he was the commanding officer at the 9th's arrival at the [[Battle of Luthien (Jihad)|Battle of Luthien]]</ref><br />
| forces3 = [[9th Division (Word of Blake)|9th Division]]<br>(Word of Blake)<br>[[Sathen's Snipers]]<br />
| result = 1st Genyosha victory<br />
| environment = dense urban <br>industrial complex<br />
| conditions = <br />
}}<br />
The '''Battle of the LAW City Ruins''' was a rare three-way conflict between forces of the ''[[Kokuryu-kai]]'', [[Word of Blake]] and loyalists to [[House Kurita]] on 18 July [[3069]] in the ruins of [[LAW City]] on [[Luthien]].<ref name=JTPL8>''Jihad Turning Points: Luthien'', pp. 8-9, "Bullet In the Blue Sky"</ref><br />
<br />
==Details==<br />
===Background===<br />
Following the coup by [[Black Dragon]] forces in December of [[3067]], most conflicts that occurred tended towards small raids and sniping incidents, with a few random but intense small unit actions. Upon the arrival of the supporting [[40th Dieron Regulars]], the Black Dragons reorganized their forces and began focusing on operations intended to reduce the effectiveness of the loyalist forces, located roughly four kilometers from the site of the underground nuclear blast that destroyed [[LAW City]] on [[Guthry Island]].<ref name=JTPL8/><br />
<br />
===18 July 3069===<br />
The battle was begun when the Black Dragons prematurely engaged a Word of Blake salvage team from the [[9th Division (Word of Blake)|Ninth Division]] working in the ruins between the two opposing Draconis forces. Elements of [[Sathen's Snipers]], no longer under contract to the ''Kokuryu-kai'' but to the Word of Blake, assisted in the salvage team's defense.<ref name=JTPL8/><br />
<br />
By the time the Black Dragons moved on from the first engagement, the loyalist forces of the [[1st Genyosha]] were prepared for the assault and levied heavy casualties on the [[6th Benjamin Regulars]], who lost their executive officer.<ref name=JTPL8/><br />
<br />
<br />
==Participants==<br />
===Aggressors===<br />
* [[2nd Sword of Light]] (Black Dragon)<br />
* [[6th Benjamin Regulars]]<br />
* [[40th Dieron Regulars]]<br />
<br />
===Defenders===<br />
* [[1st Genyosha]] <br />
* [[9th Division (Word of Blake)|9th Division]]<br />
* [[Sathen's Snipers]]<br />
<br />
==References==<br />
<references/><br />
<br />
==Bibliography==<br />
*''[[Jihad Turning Points: Luthien]]''<br />
<br />
<br />
[[Category:Minor Battles (Jihad)|LAW City Ruins]]</div>Neufeldhttps://www.sarna.net/wiki/index.php?title=Battle_of_McCarel_Farm&diff=257539Battle of McCarel Farm2012-06-20T20:07:07Z<p>Neufeld: Seems like the new Total Chaos book has more info, flagged update needed.</p>
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{{InfoBoxConflict<br />
| conflict = {{pagename}}<br />
| partof = [[Battle of New Avalon (Jihad)|Battle of New Avalon]]<br />
| image = <br />
| date = 11 December [[3067]]<br />
| place = [[McCarel Farm]], Avalon County<br />
| planet = [[New Avalon]]<br />
| commander1 = [[Marshal (rank)|Marshal]] [[James McFarland]]<br />
| forces1 = [[10th Lyran Guards]]<br />
| commander2 = [[Precentor]] [[Terry McQuinn]]<br />
| forces2 = [[31st Division (Word of Blake)|31st Division]]<br />
| commander3 = <br />
| forces3 = <br />
| result = Tenth Lyran driven back; Blakist progress slowed, allowing other units to defend [[Avalon City]]<br />
| environment = farmland<br />
| conditions = <br />
}}<br />
<br />
The '''Battle of McCarel Farm''' took place on 11 December, [[3067]], during the larger campaign known as the [[Battle of New Avalon (Jihad)|First Battle of New Avalon]]<ref name=JSBD94>''Jihad Secrets: The Blake Documents'', p. 94, "31st Division (Purity of Faith)"</ref> at the start of the [[Jihad]]. It featured the [[Word of Blake]]'s [[31st Division (Word of Blake)|31st Division]] against the [[10th Lyran Guards]] of the [[Federated Suns]]. <ref name=JTPNA8>''Jihad Turning Points: New Avalon'', p. 8, "Unwelcome Guests"</ref><br />
<br />
==Details==<br />
===Background===<br />
In December 3067, a Word of Blake flotilla attacked [[New Avalon]], the capital of the [[Federated Suns]]. This was in response to [[First Prince|Princess-Regent]] [[Yvonne Steiner-Davion]] pulling the Federated Suns out of the [[Second Star League]] at the [[Fourth Whitting Conference]]. Combined with similar declarations by the [[Lyran Alliance]] and [[Capellan Confederation]], this resulted in the collapse of the League. Enraged, the Blakists began an orbital bombardment of both [[Tharkad]] and New Avalon. In addition to three [[WarShip]]s attacking from above, the Thirty-first Division (known as the ''Purity of Faith'') landed in Avalon County under cover of the bombardment and rapidly moved on to the capital of [[Avalon City]] through the farmlands. <ref name=JTPNA8/><br />
<br />
Although defended by several prestigious units, those commands were still recovering from the [[FedCom Civil War]] and most had been scattered from the orbital attacks. <ref name=JTPNA8/> The Tenth Lyran Guards RCT had chosen to remain on New Avalon after the Civil War as part of the new [[Armed Forces of the Federated Suns]], pledging their loyalty to [[Yvonne Steiner-Davion]]. <ref name=JTPNA6>''Jihad Turning Points: New Avalon'', p. 6, "Combatants: Tenth Lyran Guards"</ref> <br />
Although operating at only about one-third strength even before the Jihad, <ref name=FMU179>''Field Manual: Updates'' p. 179, Lyran Alliance Armed Forces: Units in Federated Suns/Chaos March</ref> they were the only unit able to mobilize in time to slow the invaders down, as the other defenders desperately attempted to regroup. <ref name=JTPNA8/><br />
<br />
===11 December 3067===<br />
The Thirty-first, relatively inexperienced, attempted to go around the veteran Revenants by sending a defensive screen against them. This proved ineffective against the determind Tenth Lyrans, who punched their way through the defensive screen, beelining for the Thirty-first's supply train. The Blakists employed a trio of [[Prairie Schooner (tractor)|Prairie Schooner Land Trains]] with sufficient supplies to wage a campaign for the capital. The Tenth found their quarry in the praries of [[McCarel Farm]], <ref name=JTPNA8/> farmland owned by one Harold McCarel. <ref name=JTPNA8A>''Jihad Turning Points: New Avalon'', p. 8, "Unwelcome Guests" : Aftermath</ref> The Tenth managed to inflict serious damage before they were driven off by the superior numbers of the Thirty-first. <ref name=JTPNA8A/><br />
<br />
===Aftermath===<br />
Although the Tenth was forced to retreat, the delay gave [[Marshal_of_the_Armies#Marshal_of_the_Armies|Marshal of Armies]] [[Jackson Davion]] and the other defending units time to properly organize the defense of Avalon City. <ref name=JTPNA8A/> The Thirty-first pushed ahead with the attack on the capital, but the defenders held and they were forced to retreat after three weeks of fighting. <ref name=JSBD94/> Unfortunately by that time, casualties to the Tenth were too heavy to make them an effective independent fighting force, and by February [[3068]] they were merged into the [[1st Davion Guards]]. <ref name=JTPNA6/> The Thirty-first would remain in-system and would later take part in the Second and Third Battles of New Avalon. By the time they retreated for the final time in September [[3074]], they had been effectively merged into the [[36th Division (Word of Blake)|36th Division]]. <ref name=JSBD94/> Farmer McCarel lost half his crops in the fighting. <ref name=JTPNA8A/><br />
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==References==<br />
<references/><br />
<br />
==Bibliography==<br />
*''[[Field Manual: Updates]]''<br />
*''[[Jihad Secrets: The Blake Documents]]''<br />
*''[[Jihad Turning Points: New Avalon]]''<br />
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[[Category:Minor Battles (Jihad)|McCarel Farm]]</div>Neufeldhttps://www.sarna.net/wiki/index.php?title=Munin_LAM&diff=254385Munin LAM2012-05-19T07:03:44Z<p>Neufeld: Flagged refimprove, and cleanup. Lacks references and does not conform to style guidelines. (might even be fanon also?)</p>
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Overview <br />
<br />
During the Fourth Succession War, several Kurita and Steiner units reported the presence of what seemed to be Phoenix Hawk LAMS doing various types of reconnaissance and assisting the various Tyr undergrounds in their operations. As it turned out, the Tyr had found a cache of what is now believed to be the predecessor of the Phoenix Hawk LAM. This 'new' LAM has been classified as the Munin LAM, named for Munin (memory), one of Odin's ravens. During the five year period following the war, the Munin LAMs were used to keep the Draconis Combine off balance in the Rasalhague district. <br />
The Munins were used with great effectiveness on the border world of Outpost where a group of unknown Periphery bandits attacked a Tyr base in 3033.<br />
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<br />
Capabilities <br />
The interesting differences between the Munin LAM and its better-known successor the Phoenix Hawk LAM are fascinating. The chassis is quite similar. The first major difference is the engine. Instead of the Phoenix Hawk LAM's 270 GM, the Munin LAM uses a 225 VOX,which cuts down on the speed by 11 kph. This opens up a perfect spot for the Land Air Mech Conversion Equipment. Some interesting heat problems are caused by this placement which required more heat sinks than the Phoenix Hawk LAM 's.<br />
<br />
Some of the disadvantages of this model show up in the Durallex Light Armor System. The armor had to be lighter to insure that the extra heat sinks and the conversion equipment are able to do their jobs efficiently. Of course, the Munin LAM has the same problem as other LAMs; the delicacy of the conversion equipment. That can't be solved with present technology.<br />
<br />
The weaponry on the Munin is as effective as anything to be found on any battlefield. The 1 Magna Mark III, 2 Magna Mark II's, and a Magna Mark I laser are all linked, with the LOCKET targeting system. This targeting system seems to be one of the best; lines of sight are almost unparalleled.<br />
<br />
The Munin LAM is probably one of the more versatile LAMs that can be found in the Rasalhague worlds. It is most used as a reconnaissance unit, or as a rear-guard mobile defense. Its slight reduction in speed on the ground is made up for when the LAM is in its AirMech form; it gets a speed of 162 kph versus the Phoenix Hawk's airspeed of 97.2 kph. The weaponry on the Munin LAM can have many advantages over the Phoenix Hawk. It has no chance of the deadly ammunition explosions which plague so many BattleMechs in this day and time. The lasers are potentially more deadly, when taken in conjunction with the Star League LOCKET targeting system. It is theorized that this system has some sort of pinpoint targeting, but it is so delicate that none have survived in a destroyed 'Mech. The forces which possess intact Munins have not made one available for study.<br />
<br />
A third factor which gives the Munin a greater advantage is its heat sink system, which is greater than either the Phoenix Hawk or the Phoenix Hawk LAM's. In 'Mech form, there is a slight heat buildup which can be taken care of by judicious use of weaponry. On the other hand, in either Air Mech or Aerospace Fighter modes, the heat sink system provided by Isbjorn's Coolant Systems has no appreciable heat build up.<br />
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<br />
Type/Model: Munin LAM MN-1B <br />
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3025 <br />
Config: Land Air BattleMech <br />
Rules: Level 3, Custom design <br />
<br />
Mass: 45 tons <br />
Chassis: Standard <br />
Power Plant: 225 VOX Fusion <br />
Walking Speed: 54.0 km/h <br />
Maximum Speed: 86.4 km/h <br />
Jump Jets: 5 Standard Jump Jets <br />
Jump Capacity: 150 meters <br />
Armor Type: Standard <br />
Armament: <br />
1 Large Laser <br />
2 Medium Lasers <br />
1 Small Laser <br />
Manufacturer: (Unknown) <br />
Location: (Unknown) <br />
Communications System: (Unknown) <br />
Targeting & Tracking System: (Unknown)<br />
<br />
Type/Model: Munin LAM MN-1B <br />
Mass: 45 tons <br />
<br />
Equipment: Crits Mass <br />
Int. Struct.: 75 pts Standard 0 4.50 <br />
Engine: 225 Fusion 6 10.00 <br />
Walking MP: 5 <br />
Running MP: 8 <br />
Jumping MP: 5 [15] <br />
Heat Sinks: 12 Single 3 2.00 <br />
(Heat Sink Loc: 1 CT, 1 LL, 1 RL) <br />
Gyro: 4 3.00 <br />
Cockpit, Life Supt., Sensors: 5 3.00 <br />
Actuators: L: Sh+UA+LA+H R: Sh+UA+LA+H 16 .00 <br />
Armor Factor: 120 pts Standard 0 7.50 <br />
<br />
Internal Armor <br />
Structure Value <br />
Head: 3 9 <br />
Center Torso: 14 20 <br />
Center Torso (Rear): 5 <br />
L/R Side Torso: 11 14/14 <br />
L/R Side Torso (Rear): 4/4 <br />
L/R Arm: 7 10/10 <br />
L/R Leg: 11 15/15 <br />
<br />
Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Crits Mass <br />
-------------------------------------------------------- <br />
1 Large Laser RA 8 2 5.00 <br />
1 Medium Laser RA 3 1 1.00 <br />
1 Medium Laser LA 3 1 1.00 <br />
1 Small Laser LA 1 1 .50 <br />
5 Standard Jump Jets: 5 2.50 <br />
(Jump Jet Loc: 2 LT, 2 RT, 1 CT) <br />
LAM Conversion Equipment: 0 4.50 <br />
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TOTALS: 15 44 44.50 <br />
Crits & Tons Left: 34 .50 <br />
<br />
Calculated Factors: <br />
Total Cost: 6,522,518 C-Bills <br />
Battle Value: 1,181 <br />
Cost per BV: 5,522.88 <br />
Weapon Value: 451 / 451 (Ratio = .38 / .3 <br />
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 13; MRDmg = 5; LRDmg = 0 <br />
BattleForce2: MP: 5J, Armor/Structure: 3/4 <br />
Damage PB/M/L: 2/1/-, Overheat: 1 <br />
Class: MM; Point Value: 12</div>Neufeldhttps://www.sarna.net/wiki/index.php?title=Fleet_Command_Star_(Clan_Snow_Raven)&diff=253810Fleet Command Star (Clan Snow Raven)2012-05-13T21:45:24Z<p>Neufeld: Link to parent formation.</p>
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<br />
==History==<br />
<br />
===Jihad/Wars of Reaving===<br />
<br />
In autumn [[3070]] the ''Lord Death'' was no longer part of this Star, and participated in defending [[Lum]] from the [[Clan Steel Viper]] attack and the Raven counterattack. It was heavily damaged in the latter action and is the sole survivor from the Raven side from both battles.<ref>''The Wars of Reaving'', p. 52</ref><br />
<br />
The ''Snow Raven'' was destroyed in a Blakist suicide jump over [[Dante]]. The ''Blue Quest'' was destroyed in the Battle of the Titan Yards while loaned out to Stone's Coalition. Survivors of this Star includes the ''Scavenger'', ''Wild Swan'' and ''Lord Death''.<ref>''Field Report: Clans'', p. 18</ref><ref>''Jihad Hot Spots: Terra'', p. 95, 98</ref><br />
<br />
==Officers==<br />
As of [[3061]] the Commanding Officer was [[saKhan]] [[Bryn Cooper]].<br />
<br />
As of [[3067]] the Commanding Officer was [[saKhan]] [[Broderick Sukhanov]].<ref>''Field Manual: Updates'', p. 79</ref><br />
<br />
==Tactics==<br />
<br />
<br />
==Composition==<br />
===3061===<br />
* ''Snow Raven'' (''[[Nightlord]]'' class)<br />
* ''Scavenger'' (''[[Volga]]'' class)<br />
* ''Wild Swan'' (''[[Potemkin]]'' class)<br />
* ''Blue Quest'' (''[[Aegis]]'' class)<br />
* ''Lord Death'' (''Aegis'' class)<br />
<br />
===3067<ref>''Field Manual: Updates'', p. 64</ref>===<br />
* ''Snow Raven'' (''[[Nightlord]]'' class)<br />
* ''Scavenger'' (''[[Volga]]'' class)<br />
* ''Wild Swan'' (''[[Potemkin]]'' class)<br />
* ''Blue Quest'' (''[[Aegis]]'' class)<br />
* ''Lord Death'' (''Aegis'' class)<br />
<br />
==Notes==<br />
*<br />
<br />
==References==<br />
<references /><br />
<br />
==Bibliography==<br />
*''[[Field Manual: Updates]]''<br />
*''[[Field Manual: Warden Clans]]''<br />
*''[[Field Report: Clans]]''<br />
*''[[Jihad Hot Spots: Terra]]''<br />
*''[[The Wars of Reaving]]''<br />
<br />
[[Category:Clan Snow Raven Commands|Fleet Command Star]]</div>Neufeldhttps://www.sarna.net/wiki/index.php?title=Fleet_Command_Star_(Clan_Snow_Raven)&diff=253808Fleet Command Star (Clan Snow Raven)2012-05-13T21:39:44Z<p>Neufeld: More info about the fate of the Blue Quest.</p>
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<br />
<br />
==History==<br />
<br />
===Jihad/Wars of Reaving===<br />
<br />
In autumn [[3070]] the ''Lord Death'' was no longer part of this Star, and participated in defending [[Lum]] from the [[Clan Steel Viper]] attack and the Raven counterattack. It was heavily damaged in the latter action and is the sole survivor from the Raven side from both battles.<ref>''The Wars of Reaving'', p. 52</ref><br />
<br />
The ''Snow Raven'' was destroyed in a Blakist suicide jump over [[Dante]]. The ''Blue Quest'' was destroyed in the Battle of the Titan Yards while loaned out to Stone's Coalition. Survivors of this Star includes the ''Scavenger'', ''Wild Swan'' and ''Lord Death''.<ref>''Field Report: Clans'', p. 18</ref><ref>''Jihad Hot Spots: Terra'', p. 95, 98</ref><br />
<br />
==Officers==<br />
As of [[3061]] the Commanding Officer was [[saKhan]] [[Bryn Cooper]].<br />
<br />
As of [[3067]] the Commanding Officer was [[saKhan]] [[Broderick Sukhanov]].<ref>''Field Manual: Updates'', p. 79</ref><br />
<br />
==Tactics==<br />
<br />
<br />
==Composition==<br />
===3061===<br />
* ''Snow Raven'' (''[[Nightlord]]'' class)<br />
* ''Scavenger'' (''[[Volga]]'' class)<br />
* ''Wild Swan'' (''[[Potemkin]]'' class)<br />
* ''Blue Quest'' (''[[Aegis]]'' class)<br />
* ''Lord Death'' (''Aegis'' class)<br />
<br />
===3067<ref>''Field Manual: Updates'', p. 64</ref>===<br />
* ''Snow Raven'' (''[[Nightlord]]'' class)<br />
* ''Scavenger'' (''[[Volga]]'' class)<br />
* ''Wild Swan'' (''[[Potemkin]]'' class)<br />
* ''Blue Quest'' (''[[Aegis]]'' class)<br />
* ''Lord Death'' (''Aegis'' class)<br />
<br />
==Notes==<br />
*<br />
<br />
==References==<br />
<references /><br />
<br />
==Bibliography==<br />
*''[[Field Manual: Updates]]''<br />
*''[[Field Manual: Warden Clans]]''<br />
*''[[Field Report: Clans]]''<br />
*''[[The Wars of Reaving]]''<br />
<br />
[[Category:Clan Snow Raven Commands|Fleet Command Star]]</div>Neufeldhttps://www.sarna.net/wiki/index.php?title=Fleet_Command_Star_(Clan_Snow_Raven)&diff=253806Fleet Command Star (Clan Snow Raven)2012-05-13T21:30:43Z<p>Neufeld: Updates from FM:Updates, WoR and FR:Clans.</p>
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<br />
==History==<br />
<br />
===Jihad/Wars of Reaving===<br />
<br />
In autumn [[3070]] the ''Lord Death'' was no longer part of this Star, and participated in defending [[Lum]] from the [[Clan Steel Viper]] attack and the Raven counterattack. It was heavily damaged in the latter action and is the sole survivor from the Raven side from both battles.<ref>''The Wars of Reaving'', p. 52</ref><br />
<br />
The ''Snow Raven'' was destroyed in a Blakist suicide jump over [[Dante]]. The ''Blue Quest'' was destroyed while loaned out to Stone's Coalition. Survivors of this Star includes the ''Scavenger'', ''Wild Swan'' and ''Lord Death''.<ref>''Field Report: Clans'', p. 18</ref><br />
<br />
<br />
==Officers==<br />
As of [[3061]] the Commanding Officer was [[saKhan]] [[Bryn Cooper]].<br />
<br />
As of [[3067]] the Commanding Officer was [[saKhan]] [[Broderick Sukhanov]].<ref>''Field Manual: Updates'', p. 79</ref><br />
<br />
==Tactics==<br />
<br />
<br />
==Composition==<br />
===3061===<br />
* ''Snow Raven'' (''[[Nightlord]]'' class)<br />
* ''Scavenger'' (''[[Volga]]'' class)<br />
* ''Wild Swan'' (''[[Potemkin]]'' class)<br />
* ''Blue Quest'' (''[[Aegis]]'' class)<br />
* ''Lord Death'' (''Aegis'' class)<br />
<br />
===3067<ref>''Field Manual: Updates'', p. 64</ref>===<br />
* ''Snow Raven'' (''[[Nightlord]]'' class)<br />
* ''Scavenger'' (''[[Volga]]'' class)<br />
* ''Wild Swan'' (''[[Potemkin]]'' class)<br />
* ''Blue Quest'' (''[[Aegis]]'' class)<br />
* ''Lord Death'' (''Aegis'' class)<br />
<br />
==Notes==<br />
*<br />
<br />
==References==<br />
<references /><br />
<br />
==Bibliography==<br />
*[[Field Manual: Updates]]<br />
*[[Field Manual: Warden Clans]]<br />
*[[Field Report: Clans]]<br />
*[[The Wars of Reaving]]<br />
<br />
[[Category:Clan Snow Raven Commands|Fleet Command Star]]</div>Neufeldhttps://www.sarna.net/wiki/index.php?title=Circe_Battle_Star_(Clan_Snow_Raven)&diff=253805Circe Battle Star (Clan Snow Raven)2012-05-13T21:17:46Z<p>Neufeld: Wars of Reaving info.</p>
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<br />
==History==<br />
As of [[3061]], the Circe Battle Star was contracted to [[Clan Nova Cat]] to assist their relocation to the [[Inner Sphere]]. After the Battle Star return, its crews gave stories of the Inner Sphere to their fellow Kappa Clansman. This resulted improving the Galaxy resolve.<ref name=FMWC133>''Field Manual: Warden Clans'', p. 133, "Circe Battle Star Profile"</ref><ref>''Field Manual: Updates'', p. 65, "Kappa Garrison Galaxy profile"</ref><br />
<br />
By [[3067]] this Star seems to have lost the ''Muninn'', no explanation can be found.<ref>''Field Manual: Updates'', p. 65</ref> This ship is listed again the touman in [[3079]].<ref>''Field Report: Clans'', p. 18</ref><br />
<br />
===Jihad/Wars of Reaving===<br />
<br />
By autumn [[3070]] the Star seems to have been split up, with the ''Black Beard'' and ''Rook'', together with the [[Brim Naval Assault Star (Clan Snow Raven)|Brim Naval Assault Star]] defending [[Lum]] from the [[Clan Steel Viper]] attack. ''Rook'' was destroyed in this action. The ''Black Beard'' was destroyed in the Raven counterattack that took place five days later.<ref>''The Wars of Reaving'', p. 52</ref><br />
<br />
I addition to the ''Muninn'', the ''Treachery'' survived and is still a part of the Raven touman.<ref>''Field Report: Clans'', p. 18</ref><br />
<br />
The fate of the ''Tenacity'' is unknown. It should be noted that as a ''Volga'' class, it might be still in service but just not mentioned due to being a transport.<br />
<br />
==Officers==<br />
As of [[3061]] the Commanding Officer was [[Star Admiral]] [[Miklos Roul]].<ref name=FMWC133/> He was still in command in [[3067]].<ref>''Field Manual: Updates'', p. 79</ref><br />
<br />
==Tactics==<br />
<br />
<br />
==Composition History==<br />
===3061<ref name=FMWC133/>===<br />
* ''Black Beard'' (''[[Fredasa]]'' class)<br />
* ''Muninn'' (''[[Vincent]]'' class)<br />
* ''Rook'' (''[[Potemkin]]'' class)<br />
* ''Tenacity'' (''[[Volga]]'' class)<br />
* ''Treachery'' (''Potemkin'' class)<br />
<br />
===3067<ref>''Field Manual: Updates'', p. 65</ref>===<br />
* ''Black Beard'' (''[[Fredasa]]'' class)<br />
* ''Rook'' (''[[Potemkin]]'' class)<br />
* ''Tenacity'' (''[[Volga]]'' class)<br />
* ''Treachery'' (''Potemkin'' class)<br />
<br />
==Notes==<br />
* The ''Treachery'' is the former SLS ''Hermes'', which was involved in the [[Prinz Eugen Mutiny|Prinz Eugen Revolt]].<ref name=FMWC133/><br />
<br />
==References==<br />
<references /><br />
==Bibliography==<br />
*''[[Field Manual: Updates]]''<br />
*''[[Field Manual: Warden Clans]]''<br />
*''[[Field Report: Clans]]''<br />
*''[[The Wars of Reaving]]''<br />
<br />
[[Category:Clan Snow Raven Commands|Circe Battle Star]]</div>Neufeldhttps://www.sarna.net/wiki/index.php?title=Circe_Battle_Star_(Clan_Snow_Raven)&diff=253804Circe Battle Star (Clan Snow Raven)2012-05-13T21:09:27Z<p>Neufeld: Added stuff from FM:Updates and FR:Clans.</p>
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<br />
==History==<br />
As of [[3061]], the Circe Battle Star was contracted to [[Clan Nova Cat]] to assist their relocation to the [[Inner Sphere]]. After the Battle Star return, its crews gave stories of the Inner Sphere to their fellow Kappa Clansman. This resulted improving the Galaxy resolve.<ref name=FMWC133>''Field Manual: Warden Clans'', p. 133, "Circe Battle Star Profile"</ref><ref>''Field Manual: Updates'', p. 65, "Kappa Garrison Galaxy profile"</ref><br />
<br />
By [[3067]] this Star seems to have lost the ''Muninn'', no explanation can be found.<ref>''Field Manual: Updates'', p. 65</ref> This ship is listed again the touman in [[3079]].<ref>''Field Report: Clans'', p. 18</ref><br />
<br />
===Jihad/Wars of Reaving===<br />
<br />
I addition to the ''Muninn'', the ''Treachery'' survived and is still a part of the Raven touman.<ref>''Field Report: Clans'', p. 18</ref><br />
<br />
==Officers==<br />
As of [[3061]] the Commanding Officer was [[Star Admiral]] [[Miklos Roul]].<ref name=FMWC133/> He was still in command in [[3067]].<ref>''Field Manual: Updates'', p. 79</ref><br />
<br />
==Tactics==<br />
<br />
<br />
==Composition History==<br />
===3061<ref name=FMWC133/>===<br />
* ''Black Beard'' (''[[Fredasa]]'' class)<br />
* ''Muninn'' (''[[Vincent]]'' class)<br />
* ''Rook'' (''[[Potemkin]]'' class)<br />
* ''Tenacity'' (''[[Volga]]'' class)<br />
* ''Treachery'' (''Potemkin'' class)<br />
<br />
===3067<ref>''Field Manual: Updates'', p. 65</ref>===<br />
* ''Black Beard'' (''[[Fredasa]]'' class)<br />
* ''Rook'' (''[[Potemkin]]'' class)<br />
* ''Tenacity'' (''[[Volga]]'' class)<br />
* ''Treachery'' (''Potemkin'' class)<br />
<br />
==Notes==<br />
* The ''Treachery'' is the former SLS ''Hermes'', which was involved in the [[Prinz Eugen Mutiny|Prinz Eugen Revolt]].<ref name=FMWC133/><br />
<br />
==References==<br />
<references /><br />
==Bibliography==<br />
*''[[Field Manual: Updates]]''<br />
*''[[Field Manual: Warden Clans]]''<br />
*''[[Field Report: Clans]]''<br />
<br />
<br />
[[Category:Clan Snow Raven Commands|Circe Battle Star]]</div>Neufeldhttps://www.sarna.net/wiki/index.php?title=Snow_Raven_Assault_Star_(Clan_Snow_Raven)&diff=253801Snow Raven Assault Star (Clan Snow Raven)2012-05-13T20:53:09Z<p>Neufeld: formating.</p>
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<br />
<br />
==History==<br />
Fought the [[Emerald Talon Naval Assault Star (Clan Jade Falcon)|Emerald Talon Naval Assault Star]] of [[Clan Jade Falcon]] over [[Hellgate]], which resulted in damage to the ''Cold Hunter'' and ''Ice Storm'' severe enough to force them back to [[Lum]] for repairs.<br />
<br />
===Jihad/Wars of Reaving===<br />
<br />
By autumn [[3070]] two of the ships from this Star, the ''Venture Star'' and ''Vision of Terra'', together with the [[Circe Battle Star (Clan Snow Raven)|Circe Battle Star]] and [[Brim Naval Assault Star (Clan Snow Raven)|Brim Naval Assault Star]] defending [[Lum]] from the [[Clan Steel Viper]] attack. ''Vision of Terra'' was destroyed in this action. The ''Venture Star'' was destroyed in the Raven counterattack that took place five days later. This Star itself is not mentioned by name in that conflict, so it can be assumed that it had been disbanded before that.<ref>''The Wars of Reaving'', p. 52</ref><br />
<br />
The ''Ice Storm'' still serves in the Raven touman.<ref>''Field Report: Clans'', p. 18</ref><br />
<br />
No mention of the final two ships, ''Cold Hunter'' and ''Blue Lancer'' can be found (an Ice Hellion ship with a similar name is mentioned).<br />
<br />
==Officers==<br />
As of [[3061]] the Commanding Officer was [[Star Admiral]] [[Nervis McKenna]], who is the [[sibmate]] of Epsilon's [[Galaxy Commander]] Ramon McKenna.<br />
<br />
In [[3067]] the Commanding Officer was Star Admiral [[James Lankenau]].<ref>''Field Manual: Updates'', p. 79</ref><br />
<br />
==Tactics==<br />
<br />
<br />
==Composition==<br />
===3061===<br />
* ''Blue Lancer'' (''[[Aegis]]'' class)<br />
* ''Cold Hunter'' (''[[Lola III]]'' class)<br />
* ''Ice Storm'' (''[[Cameron]]'' class)<br />
* ''Venture Star'' (''[[Carrack]]'' class)<br />
* ''Vision of Terra'' (''Lola III'' class)<br />
<br />
===3067<ref>''Field Manual: Updates'', p. 65</ref>===<br />
* ''Blue Lancer'' (''[[Aegis]]'' class)<br />
* ''Cold Hunter'' (''[[Lola III]]'' class)<br />
* ''Ice Storm'' (''[[Cameron]]'' class)<br />
* ''Venture Star'' (''[[Carrack]]'' class)<br />
* ''Vision of Terra'' (''Lola III'' class)<br />
<br />
==Notes==<br />
<br />
[[Clan Ice Hellion]] did also have a Warship named ''Cold Hunter''.<ref>''Field Manual: Updates'', p. 47</ref><br />
<br />
==References==<br />
<references /><br />
==Bibliography==<br />
*''[[Field Manual: Updates]]''<br />
*''[[Field Manual: Warden Clans]]''<br />
*''[[Field Report: Clans]]''<br />
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[[Category:Clan Snow Raven Commands|Snow Raven Assault Star]]</div>Neufeldhttps://www.sarna.net/wiki/index.php?title=Snow_Raven_Assault_Star_(Clan_Snow_Raven)&diff=253800Snow Raven Assault Star (Clan Snow Raven)2012-05-13T20:52:50Z<p>Neufeld: Info from Wars of Reaving. Correct a mistake.</p>
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| image = <br />
| nickname = ''None''<br />
| parent formation = [[Epsilon Garrison Galaxy (Clan Snow Raven)|Epsilon Garrison Galaxy]]<br />
| formed = <br />
| year = 3061<br />
| unitname = Snow Raven Assault Star<br />
}}<br />
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==History==<br />
Fought the [[Emerald Talon Naval Assault Star (Clan Jade Falcon)|Emerald Talon Naval Assault Star]] of [[Clan Jade Falcon]] over [[Hellgate]], which resulted in damage to the ''Cold Hunter'' and ''Ice Storm'' severe enough to force them back to [[Lum]] for repairs.<br />
<br />
===Jihad/Wars of Reaving===<br />
<br />
By autumn [[3070]] two of the ships from this Star, the ''Venture Star'' and ''Vision of Terra'', together with the [[Circe Battle Star (Clan Snow Raven)|Circe Battle Star]] and [[Brim Naval Assault Star (Clan Snow Raven)|Brim Naval Assault Star]] defending [[Lum]] from the [[Clan Steel Viper]] attack. ''Vision of Terra'' was destroyed in this action. The ''Venture Star'' was destroyed in the Raven counterattack that took place five days later. This Star itself is not mentioned by name in that conflict, so it can be assumed that it had been disbanded before that.<ref>''The Wars of Reaving'', p. 52</ref><br />
<br />
The ''Ice Storm'' still serves in the Raven touman.<ref>''Field Report: Clans'', p. 18</ref><br />
<br />
No mention of the final two ships, ''Cold Hunter'' and ''Blue Lancer'' can be found (an Ice Hellion ship with a similar name is mentioned).<br />
<br />
==Officers==<br />
As of [[3061]] the Commanding Officer was [[Star Admiral]] [[Nervis McKenna]], who is the [[sibmate]] of Epsilon's [[Galaxy Commander]] Ramon McKenna.<br />
<br />
In [[3067]] the Commanding Officer was Star Admiral [[James Lankenau]].<ref>''Field Manual: Updates'', p. 79</ref><br />
<br />
==Tactics==<br />
<br />
<br />
==Composition==<br />
===3061===<br />
* ''Blue Lancer'' (''[[Aegis]]'' class)<br />
* ''Cold Hunter'' (''[[Lola III]]'' class)<br />
* ''Ice Storm'' (''[[Cameron]]'' class)<br />
* ''Venture Star'' (''[[Carrack]]'' class)<br />
* ''Vision of Terra'' (''Lola III'' class)<br />
<br />
===3067<ref>''Field Manual: Updates'', p. 65</ref>===<br />
* ''Blue Lancer'' (''[[Aegis]]'' class)<br />
* ''Cold Hunter'' (''[[Lola III]]'' class)<br />
* ''Ice Storm'' (''[[Cameron]]'' class)<br />
* ''Venture Star'' (''[[Carrack]]'' class)<br />
* ''Vision of Terra'' (''Lola III'' class)<br />
<br />
==Notes==<br />
<br />
[[Clan Ice Hellion]] did also have a Warship named ''Cold Hunter''.<ref>''Field Manual: Updates'', p. 47</ref><br />
<br />
==References==<br />
<references /><br />
==Bibliography==<br />
*''[[Field Manual: Updates]]''<br />
*''[[Field Manual: Warden Clans]]''<br />
*''[[Field Report: Clans]]''<br />
<br />
[[Category:Clan Snow Raven Commands|Snow Raven Assault Star]]</div>Neufeld