BattleTechWiki talk:Project BattleMechs/Archive1

Age of Destruction Era 'Mechs

I would like to create some Clan exclusives 'Mechs, that I use to fight with in MechWarrior : Age of Destruction. However I don't have any photo from any TRO about those, seen there is no TRO speaking about those beasts, only 'Mech dossier which are given with their 'Mechs. Those contains some impressive images I might add if you allow me to do so, with a link to the original dossier .PDF on Wizkids Official Site. I already have three entries I can create : Shrike (like Melvina Hazen's one), Gyrfalcon and Eyrie plus the Jade Hawk. I can do so with other Clan exclusives like the Sun Cobra, Wulfen and Warwolf (Clan Wolf), Karhu (Clan Ghost Bear/Rasalhague Dominion), Cave Lion (Clan Nova Cat/Spirit Cats; Ocelot is already done). (I'm not sure but I think the Ghost can be added as a Clan Nova Cat one.) --FIVE-one 14:17, 5 January 2008 (CST)

We haven't yet decided what we want to do with with the MW:DA/AoD 'Mechs, but I think most of them can be included using the same format we have now. TPTB have hinted that a new TRO may be on the way soon(ish), so I think we will eventually have the info to fill in whatever gaps exist. I'd say go for it, and if you run into any significant problems, ask for specific help. --Scaletail 15:23, 5 January 2008 (CST)

Cool, the only question I would have is how to handle the references from the dossiers. --MEC 17:58, 5 January 2008 (CST)

While I don't play AoD or own anything from it, I have seen a lot of the stuff WK put up on their website. I would recommend using the title of the card ("Jupiter Technical Readout card", for example) and providing a link to the .pdf on the website if its available. I see that the alphanumerical designation of the card has been used, but that's personally of no use to me, though more info cannot hurt. I'm not sure how much sense that makes, but hopefully I'm not way out in left field. --Scaletail 18:19, 5 January 2008 (CST)

I propose that DA/AoD variants of 'Mechs are placed into their own section. Agree/disagree? --Scaletail 18:18, 14 May 2008 (CDT)

I would agree if it was clear the design only existed in DA/AoD era only. As I am putting in MWDA record sheet book's listing in myself, I've found that example DA Koshi is a non-OmniMech, but it has no fluff other than data cards/dossiers. The DA Koshi is currently listed with it OmniMech parent. Is possible to list DA Koshi as Koshi (2nd), so not be confused with the original? By having (2nd) instead of Koshi 2, it would be less confusing and avoid worrying if it has a pre or post Jihad introduction date. Other 'Mechs with similar non-Omni variants include the DA Black Hawk which is likely new design since Old Nova is out production as of the 3050 Upgrade.

Like the video game variants below, I was really referring to variants of existing 'Mechs that just don't have CBT stats. On the specific subjects of the Black Hawk and Koshi, do you have any sources that state the variants are not modifications to the OmniMechs? I can't imagine why a 'Mech that is the same tonnage with the same name would be an entirely different 'Mech. The new variants could simply be modifications of existing Black Hawks. --Scaletail 08:50, 15 March 2009 (PDT)

Video game entries

This has been put off, but, since the issue has come up, I believe it is time to address what to do with video-game exclusive 'Mechs and variants. I personally believe that any variants that do not have corresponding stats in CBT should be given their own section and denoted as video game-only variants. 'Mech articles on video game-exclusive designs should be clearly and prominently labeled as such. I give the floor to everybody else. --Scaletail 18:54, 28 January 2008 (CST)

What exactly do you mean by Video Game only, like 'Mechs from Mektek that were modded into MW4, like the Gesu, Deimos, or the Thanatos XMT? --Quicksilver Kalasa 22:34, 18 August 2008 (CDT)

Variants of 'Mechs or entirely new 'Mechs that do not have official CBT stats, yet are clearly part of BattleTech. In a sense, this will be based on whatever is decided in the canonicity discussion that is wrapping up. For an example of how I have done this, see Shootist. --Scaletail 07:49, 19 August 2008 (CDT)

Related Design/Chasis

I feel something in the 'Mech descriptions is missing from the wiki entries. 'Mech designs are frequently described to be related (either by chasis, component, or configuration) to classic BattleMechs. However, some derivative design information is missing, especially from the entries for the parent designs (but sometime on both the parent and derivative entry). For example:

Marauder - Rakshasa (TRO 3055, p. 72), Dragon Fire (TRO 3058, p. 128), Maelstrom (TRO 3058, p. 130), Nightsky (TRO:3058, p144)

Vindicator - Snake (TRO 3055, p. 38)

In cases with iconic BattleMechs and their derivative designs, can we list all of the designs which are explicitly described as related (in the fluff) to a parent design? In this regard, I am only suggesting a subsection giving all related designs, distinct from variants. These entries would not go into detail about capabilities. People would only see a link and a short sentence describing the relationship, and could follow the trail on their own to find out more. Maybe even include a family tree for the design. What do you think?--S.gage 11:58, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Absolutely. I would recommend either following the existing format of listing them at the end of the "Variants" section or noting it in the body of the text. I'm not too sure about the family tree, though, since it's not like that would go very far. --Scaletail 16:36, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Question : Nightsky? Perhaps you meant Nightstar? :) The Nightsky was like a second-generation Hachetman. Nightstar was a 95-ton cross between a Marauder II and a Turkina. ClanWolverine101

BV 1.0

Should we still have BV 1.0 in infoboxes? --Neufeld 14:45, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Yes, for the time being. I've thought about this too (it'll be rather easy to turn off), but I'm of the mind that until a master BV list is issued or once all of the core books are out, then there are still people who can't be expected to be up on the 'latest' system. Its a bit more complicated than the two-month moratorium. --Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 17:31, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Yes. Unlike Revanche, I don't think it will ever go away. We're trying to collect every minutiae from BattleTech, so why not this, too? --Scaletail 02:37, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Apocryphal Mechs

Question : Would a Apocryphal Mech go in the same category as the other mechs, albeit with the Apocryphal tags? I'm thinking about adding the Ragnarok mech from the MechWarrior (1992 Video Game) SNES game. Thoughts? ClanWolverine101 04:23, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

That sounds right. I think it might be a good idea to only put it in the "BattleMechs" category, since the other, specialized categories are generally more geared towards CBT. --Scaletail 00:49, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Heh - no problem. As I feel the subcategories are over-used anyway. Can I get a link to the template? ClanWolverine101 01:00, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Help:CreateMechArticle This one? --Scaletail 01:13, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Dropping the BV Portals

Scaletail knocked it around, and I'm running with with. I'm suggesting the total elimination of the BV Category Portals from the 'Mech articles. I have a number of reasons for this :

• Most mechs have a wide variety of BV ratings due to so many variants. You can't really divvy these up based on BV.
• While I acknowledge that people certainly USE BV, I don't think they break it up by categories like this. Maybe someone will go "Okay, I have 1900 points left - what's the best mech under that restriction?" Maybe they'll look at a list, or use a program that will sort all mechs and variants by BV. But I am dubious that this setup would be helpful.
• Aesthetically, its unpleasant. Yes, I like the faction portals, but I'm willing to discuss the possibility they may not be what's best. I feel the same way here.

Thoughts? ClanWolverine101 07:45, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Well, no one has opposed removing them, and people has supported it, so I guess that it's down to "Be bold". --Neufeld 10:20, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

So, I decided to take care of the problem. Now we just need a mod to delete the leftover pages. --Neufeld 21:22, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Trimming this article

Question : Who has the authority to trim this article? Only the Admins, or may Editors do so as well? Understand : I have no intention whatsoever of removing ANY of the active topics that may be relevant to current consensus discussions. I'm simply thinking if we removed those items that are clearly inactive and not an open issue, we'd trim this page by quite a bit.

And yes - I realize that THIS item has made the page longer. The irony is not lost on me. ClanWolverine101 03:21, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

I agree it should be archived. We have no policy on the matter, on the wiki or in this project. I say it falls under "if it needs scratching..." Let me know if you would like assistance in doing so. ;-) --Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 00:54, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Maybe we should achieve things instead by year, subject. I don't know if Alphabetical order will work. I'm suggesting not by year only because same problems with subjects keep coming up like the notable pilots. -- Wrangler 16:57, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Rev - Yeah... I can't seem to find the how-to on archiving. Can you give me some instruction? ClanWolverine101 17:35, 18 June 2010 (UTC)