Category talk:Planets

• I have data for manufacturing centers, including what planet they're on and what components they product (mechs, equipment, etc). Should I update the planets to list what components they produce, manufacturing centers on planet, and also create articles for each manufacturing center? It'll be quite a big update, but it's some cool data. Nicjansma 12:25, 30 September 2006 (CDT)
  • I can't see any reason NOT too. That would be awesome Objective Raid material. --Revanche 14:22, 30 September 2006 (CDT)

Major Problem with Coords

Hey folks. Has anyone else noticed that the coordinates are completely incorrect? The X and Y are always the same and there are maybe 5-10 planets for which that is true (if not just the one - Terra). I know they were all auto-generated, but it seems like they were generated incorrectly. I was checking some things would with Scaletail's edits changing references from Blue Diamond to Menkent, but noticed that the coordinates were way off. So, beyond the fact that they're all incorrect, without going through all 3k planets in the IS, how do we fix this? :) Bdevoe 14:00, 18 August 2007 (CDT)

Apparently Nic has all of the original data that was used to auto-generate the planets, so if that could be modified and re-uploaded, it would be fixed, but (as far as I can tell) that would negate all of the edits that have been made previously. Scaletail 16:02, 18 August 2007 (CDT)

Dang! You guys are right. Let me see how I can regenerate all of the pages w/out blowing away what others have contributed to the planets. I should be able to do it. Nicjansma 10:39, 20 August 2007 (CDT)

That would be awesome. :) Thanks! Bdevoe 14:56, 20 August 2007 (CDT)

Lost Planets

How do we treat "Lost Planets", i.e. those that are mentioned somewhere but do not show up on the starmaps? Off the top of my head, examples of lost planets include:

• Dorwinion, the alledged original manufacturing site of the Dervish in Davion space (may have been rectonned to actually be a region on Belladonna where the firm Cal-Boeing of Dorwinion is located)
• Ilion V, where Hansen's Roughriders fought against loyal Marik forces during their breakaway
• Lincoln, where WHs Imarra and LuSann defeated a Davion force in 3001
• Pacifica, a Steiner planet where the story of the "Crescent Hawks Inception" takes place (turns out Chara is named "Pacifica" in the German Atlas so that one is probably solved; I think the world of Chara III is called Pacifica)
• Remis III, site of a Davion/Lindon's Company battle against Wolf's Dragoons/Black Widow Company from the original BT rulebook
• Tsanna, planet on the Davion/Liao border where WH Ijori mauled Davion forces in 3003 and which is also mentioned in the Sword and Dagger novel

I am sure there are other examples...

Further, there are references to planets that are explicitly stated to be unknown. Examples include:

• Alpha Hydri ("a desolate wasteland discovered a year before", i.e. in 3014) to where Precentor Vesar Kristofur was exiled by ComStar after Anton Marik's failed revolt that he had helped to engineer.
• Trisha (eight jumps into the periphery, presumably from the Lyran Commonwealth), where the ComGuards fought the final battle against pirate forces at the conclusion of the Jolly Roger Affair

Frabby 07:47, 15 January 2008 (CST)

From what I can gather, most of these were planets that were created for certain stories, then not canonized as planets in the atlas. Because of this situation, TPTB have had to retcon some of the information, as with Dorwinion and Pacifica above. Tsanna is probably Tsamma. For the others, sources might help. --Scaletail 20:34, 19 January 2008 (CST)

I think they are positively canon and do not need to be canonized as you put it. Some are even repeatedly mentioned in several different canon sources. Conversely, the atlases and housebook star charts are so full of errors and omissions that they cannot rule out a canonical planet/system simply because they forgot to mention it, misspelled it or misplaced it.

Many planets apparently have different names from their respective star system (Trellwan = Trell I, Pacifica = Chara III; an extreme example is Brimstone wich is described as the fifth planet in a close binary system of the stars Orpheus and Eurydice - but the system is summarily called Weisau!). To make matters worse, much German material was produced by FanPro under an original license, so the German stuff in genuine canon and not translated from English canon sources. Some may even never have been translated into English. Which brings me back to the original issue: Is it worth creating a Wiki project to gather information and try to nail down the "lost" planets, or is this Talk page enough? Any help in identifying and sorting out "lost" planets is appreciated because I only have so much time and canon material.

Btw I ruled out Tsanna to mean Tsamma because the former is frequently referred to as a contested world on the Davion/Liao border while the latter is on the periphery side of the Davion/Kurita border. And the name is "Tsanna" in both English and German material. Frabby 09:05, 20 January 2008 (CST)

Honestly, I think the CBT forums are a better place to do this simply because there are a lot more people, some of whom may already have answers (including writers). My mistake on Tsamma. I keep getting confused about its location because the Tsamma Lancers were a core part of Tancred Sandoval's force during the FCCW. If you do want to do this here, then I would suggest working within Project:Planets rather than creating a new Project as this seems to fall under its purview. --Scaletail 17:52, 20 January 2008 (CST)

I've run across this several times. If you look at the Merc units I've done, you can see that there are times where there's just no planet listed. Since they're published in the House Sourcebooks they're canon (in my estimation), but things seem to have been a little fly-by-night when those first came out. I agree with Scaletail and think we should do this within the Project:Planets. There are at least a few people doing some work on that and it seems like a good place to start collecting these lost planets. :) Bdevoe 18:05, 28 January 2008 (CST)