https://www.sarna.net/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Banshee_(BattleMech)&feed=atom&action=historyTalk:Banshee (BattleMech) - Revision history2024-03-28T10:14:03ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.34.4https://www.sarna.net/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Banshee_(BattleMech)&diff=698078&oldid=prevCache: /* Primary art */2021-08-23T16:13:34Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Primary art</span></span></p>
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</table>HF22https://www.sarna.net/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Banshee_(BattleMech)&diff=697996&oldid=prevFrabby: /* Primary art */ Primary must be the chronological first imho2021-08-23T05:36:30Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Primary art: </span> Primary must be the chronological first imho</span></p>
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</table>ReinhardtSteinerhttps://www.sarna.net/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Banshee_(BattleMech)&diff=696811&oldid=prevFrabby: /* Primary art */ Policy discussion2021-08-19T09:24:18Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Primary art: </span> Policy discussion</span></p>
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</table>Dmonhttps://www.sarna.net/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Banshee_(BattleMech)&diff=695215&oldid=prevDmon: /* Primary art */2021-08-05T03:33:24Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Primary art</span></span></p>
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</table>Dmonhttps://www.sarna.net/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Banshee_(BattleMech)&diff=695214&oldid=prevDmon at 03:32, 5 August 20212021-08-05T03:32:57Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::I realize it's kind of pedantic, but I think it's weird to have a box that says "1x PPC 1x AC/5 1x small laser" and then above it there's a mech with three main guns, a whole mess of secondaries and a missile launcher on top. The art isn't usually of the exact same mech, but you can usually fool yourself into it. Not so with this one. Seems like the primary art should be a 3E or something similar if we're going to continue treating the 3E as the main Banshee.--[[User:ReinhardtSteiner|ReinhardtSteiner]] ([[User talk:ReinhardtSteiner|talk]]) 20:59, 4 August 2021 (EDT)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::I realize it's kind of pedantic, but I think it's weird to have a box that says "1x PPC 1x AC/5 1x small laser" and then above it there's a mech with three main guns, a whole mess of secondaries and a missile launcher on top. The art isn't usually of the exact same mech, but you can usually fool yourself into it. Not so with this one. Seems like the primary art should be a 3E or something similar if we're going to continue treating the 3E as the main Banshee.--[[User:ReinhardtSteiner|ReinhardtSteiner]] ([[User talk:ReinhardtSteiner|talk]]) 20:59, 4 August 2021 (EDT)</div></td></tr>
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