Talk:BattleMaster

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Command Console variants

TRO:3075 describes the 1Gc as I wrote. It sounds very similar to the 1C. Since I don't have Heir to the Dragon, the source I assume this comes from, can somebody who does have a look and see if these are the same thing? --Scaletail 11:56, 2 November 2008 (PST)

Heir to the Dragon - Fuhito Tetsuhara rides Theodore Kurita's command 'Mech, explicitly stated to be a BLR-1C BattleMaster (p. 346). The weapons used by this 'Mech throughout the chapter include: "hand-held Donal PPC" (p. 347), "Holly launcher" with six missiles (p. 348), paired rear-firing lasers (p. 350) and chest mounted lasers (p. 351); at one point it says the 'Mech does not have the usual pair of SperryBrowning MGs p. 348). Star League vintage heat sinks are mentioned that normally keep the 'Mech cool, and of course a "command and control system that took the place of the anti-peronnel armament"; "with the expanded cockpit, the machine could carry two men: the pilot [...] and the passenger, a battlefield commander who was free to worry about his real job, the command of his formations in battle. The commander could function without the distractions of keeping his 'Mech running [...]" (p. 348/349). Frabby 13:43, 2 November 2008 (PST)

To add, yes, they seem to be very similar. And in both cases, dropping the MGs (and the ton of MG ammo) frees up 2 tons while the Command Console weights 3. So what else was taken out? (Apparently either a heat sink or some armour.) Frabby 13:46, 2 November 2008 (PST)

The Red Corsairs Battlemaster

In Natural Selection The Red Corsairs Mech appears to be a BLR-1Gb2 but uses clan technology. Is this worth noting as another variant?
Mop no more 11:44, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Sure, why not? Just provide the reference when you write the variant. --Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 12:40, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

I wasn't sure where the extra tonnage went from upgrading the ppc's and large pulse laser to clan, so I added heat sinks. The book mentioned that even after firing both ppc's and the large pulse laser, that the battlemaster was still running cool, so it seemed to fit. Is that the right thing to do? Mop no more 08:18, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

I would say so. I distinctly remember seeing a 'canon' record sheet for that mech in one of the BattleTechnology or MechForce magazines. Sadly, I don't have it. BTW - are you certain the medium lasers were ER? I had thought they were pulse. Just a thought. ClanWolverine101

I actually disagree (sorry, ClanWolverine101!).I'm from the point of view that we don't 'decide' anything, just report. If you can find the record sheet that CW is talking about, it'd still be apocraphal, but supportable. However...I'm saying this as an Editor (not an admin). Putting a {{cn}} after the statement should suffice, and might allow a future Editor to seek out the right answer and reference it accordingly. (IOW, I won't roll back your statement.)--Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 16:18, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, but no. Since you don't know that it has added heat sinks, this is just a thesis and it's really nothing but fan fiction at this point. For wiki purposes, the right thing to do would be to state (only) the information that is actually available from the source(s), in this case the novel. You don't have to present complete specs. If you don't know something, leave it out (or state that you don't know it). But don't make up things and present them as if it were canonical.

What has occasionally been done on BTW is that you present a thesis, but it must be based on some evidence to warrant inclusion and must also be clearly marked as such. See Super Griffin for an example how to treat unclear technical specifications.

As for an (apocryphal) record sheet, that would most certainly warrant inclusion, however as a separate entry and clearly marked as apocryphal. Because the Red Corsair BattleMaster as such is canon, even though we seem to lack certain bits of information about it. Frabby 16:31, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

(written at the same time as Revanche's reply above.)

Oh - what the hell. You're both right. I don't have the source (nor do I remember it clearly). It was my vague impression that the medium lasers were pulse, but now I have to go back and read the novel. I remember trying to reconstruct it (from the book, not the magazine) in home-game scenarios. I believe that one had a Clan XL Engine, all the lasers were pulse, and it was absolutely loaded with double-heat sinks. Obviously, this was in no way canon, but it did allow the design to meet the specs from the novel as I read them. In the end, there has (apparently) never been a canon publication of this mech, so it won't ever really be resolved. ClanWolverine101

Oh, the irony. --Neufeld 20:56, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

However... the novel does make it clear it could fire both ER PPCs and the Large Pulse Laser and barely even register on the heat gauge? ClanWolverine101 05:16, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes, but I wasn't commenting on that. It was your lines " Obviously, this was in no way canon,", and "so it won't ever really be resolved.", that are so funny now. --Neufeld 07:14, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Makes you wonder if Herb keeps tabs on what we get upto around here ;-P --Dmon 07:21, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

... see, I didn't know what you guys were talking about and THEN I saw the product announcement. I am in my happy place now. *GLEE* ClanWolverine101 07:59, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

FYI, the moratorium policy specifically allows for correcting information based upon newer sources. --Scaletail 21:28, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Here's hoping it doesn't amount to a ret-con. :P ClanWolverine101 01:33, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

TRO3085 Variants

There are several variants listed in Technical Readout: 3085 but these are either rehashes of Project Phoenix designs or lack enough information (like model number) to enter into the list. I've updated the Update Needed tag to show that Record Sheets 3085 Unabridged should be consulted to define those 'mech variants. In the meantime I've added TRO:3085 references to the appropriate variants.--Mbear 17:24, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Hanse Davion´s Battlemaster

In the german version of "Blood Legacy" from the Blood of Kerensky trilogy, by Michael A. Stackpole, Hanse Davion uses a LRM-Launcher from his Battlemaster during a training-fight against Kai Allard-Liao Is this a translation error, or is Hanse using a modified version of a Battlemaster? Sorry about my english - TonyStarkMF (15:28, 27 March 2019)

I doubt you'll see this now, and I'm regretful we didn't respond earlier. However, the best place to respond for questions like these is on the official forums. You're much more likely to get an immediate answer.--Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 08:38, 6 May 2021 (EDT)