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==Trade Associations==
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== Helping AlekBalderdash - links and Flechs ==
Everybody probably loves my belated afterthoughts; but wouldn’t "Mercantile Association" be a better term? Also, what about overlap with similar organisations like Political Organizations (eg. BranthKeepers]])? [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 07:53, 12 January 2022 (EST)
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:I had to actually look it up before posting last night and Trade Association is the correct term. Suprisingly Trade Association has an article on wikipedia and loads of hits on ecosia (my favored search engine) but plugging Mercantile Association into ecosia our own Ozawa Mercantile Association article comes up as the fourth spot. As for overlap, it is pretty huge and we very likely could do without the TA category, but I feel it is worth having just to seperate stuff like the MRBC and [[Solaris Gaming Commission]] out from stuff like [[Democracy Now]] or [[Free Skye]].--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 08:40, 12 January 2022 (EST)
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Hello Dmon.  I see that you freshly archived your talk page anad that I get christen with a post for the new year.  I have a matter for your attention.  I am conversing with [[User:AlekBalderdash]] who is a relatively new editor. He has some questions about the proper usage of external links and also about Flechs sheets as a reference for various 'Mech variants.  (In his experimentation with links he has triggered the abuse filter.)  I know that there are some restictions on external links, but I could not quickly identify a handy reference page to help him.  Could you give him some assistance, both regarding the link issue as well as guidance/feedback on his specific ideas?  See [[User talk:AlekBalderdash#Record Sheets]] --[[User:Dude RB|Dude RB]] ([[User talk:Dude RB|talk]]) 21:14, 4 January 2023 (EST)
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== Delete pages 2023 II ==
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Hi Dmon,
  
== Special Pilot Abilities ==
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Can you delete this page:
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[[Zeus (Corporation)]]
  
Why do you think the page should be deleted. Just not to waste energy on it.--[[User:Pserratv|Pserratv]] ([[User talk:Pserratv|talk]]) 07:49, 20 January 2022 (EST)
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Regards,--[[User:Pserratv|Pserratv]] ([[User talk:Pserratv|talk]]) 04:39, 23 January 2023 (EST)
: Was ust putting an explanation on the talk page actually.. [[Talk:Special Pilot Abilities]].--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 07:50, 20 January 2022 (EST)
 
  
== Delete pages 2022 I ==
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== Delete pages 2023 III ==
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Can you please delete this category:
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* [[:Category:65/70 ton BattleMechs]]
  
Hi Dmon,
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Regards,--[[User:Pserratv|Pserratv]] ([[User talk:Pserratv|talk]]) 08:38, 27 February 2023 (EST)
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: Looks like Frabby beat me to it!--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 13:45, 27 February 2023 (EST)
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:: That particular issue almost saw me go down a side tangent and complain about over-automation in templates becoming a straight-jacket for editors whenever a special case pops up. Templates are to serve the editors, not the other way around. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 00:59, 3 March 2023 (EST)
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:::I do not really want any of this automation in the infoboxes, I have had loads of private talks with Deadfire about not letting him do more until he can come up with a solid example of it doing something better than our current methods.
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:::And the weight automation is going to be scrapped when I get brave enough to update the'Mech infobox.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 09:49, 3 March 2023 (EST)
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==IP edit reverts==
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Hi, I see you've reverted a bunch of edits that an IP made to various novel articles.  May I ask why? The edits looked legit where alphabetical order of featured 'Mechs was corrected; and a PDF search showed that adding the ''Archer'' to the list for ''Star Lord'' was also factually correct. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 00:59, 3 March 2023 (EST)
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:The re-removal of the starlord archer was my mistake but generally I was removing the mostly needless list collumns the editor was putting in and the entierly needless piping of the Clan 'Mechs when they already have redirects in place.
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:I know I have been installing the list collumns on system articles where I expect to see the lists continually grow as we get more era info, most of the novel place and equipment lists are usually too short to truly warrant collumns, characters there is an arguement to have them but that is really a case by case situation.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 09:45, 3 March 2023 (EST)
  
Can you delete these categories:
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==DA Governors==
* [[:Category:Reunification War Era Military Operations]]
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Just following up on the Republic Governor / Legate switches, it looks where this is happening between [[Dark Age: Republic of the Sphere]] and [[Dark Age: Republic Worlds (3130)]] (i.e. for say [[Prefecture III]]), other sources (such as [[Dark Age: 3132-3134 INN]]) are exclusively following Dark Age: Republic Worlds (3130) for the proper role where the characters get a mention. Accordingly unless I find some other complexity, I'm proposing to treat (with appropriate notes) the Dark Age: Republic Worlds (3130) listings as the correct one.--[[User:HF22|HF22]] ([[User talk:HF22|talk]]) 23:21, 4 March 2023 (EST)
* [[:Category:Electronic Books]]
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:Glad you have figured out what the error is. I knew it was there but had only thus far handled governors on an individual basis when they turned up in something else, so I was unsure of the specifics of the larger issue. How you plan to handle it is perfect, so only other wrinkle to keep an eye on is the fiction. I think at least one (Mirach) conflicts with both DA:RotS and DA:RW, but I would say the novels get priority in most cases as they flesh out the characters in their roles.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 04:27, 5 March 2023 (EST)
Thanks!--[[User:Pserratv|Pserratv]] ([[User talk:Pserratv|talk]]) 04:28, 24 January 2022 (EST)
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:: The fiction is tying in pretty well so far, so hopefully not too many conflicts to deal with. As you say, for those which do have conflicts I think the novels will need to be preferred, since I believe they are mostly later in publication date as well as more detailed as to the characters.--[[User:HF22|HF22]] ([[User talk:HF22|talk]]) 06:49, 5 March 2023 (EST)
:Will do sir!--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 05:10, 24 January 2022 (EST)
 
:: Please, take this one out too: [[:Category:Individual Capellan Confederation WarShips]]. Thanks in advance.--[[User:Pserratv|Pserratv]] ([[User talk:Pserratv|talk]]) 05:40, 24 January 2022 (EST)
 
  
== InfoBoxFirearm ==
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== Category:Comstar Support Vehicles ==
  
 
Hi Dmon,
 
Hi Dmon,
  
Not sure if you did the change, but the color of InfoBoxFirearm is not giving good contract with letters in black, at least for me it is a bit more complex to read? Could we change the color of the box?
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Just wondering, why did you revert my edit there? [[User:Echo Mirage|Echo Mirage]] ([[User talk:Echo Mirage|talk]]) 13:55, 6 March 2023 (EST)
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:I was just about to write a comment on your page about it actually. Short version is that as I have mentioned to you before, "used by" is not what Sarna is doing. The MUL does it way better than we ever could so we have decided to not even try and compete.
  
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:I have been mulling over what to do about [[Blessed Order]] for a couple of days now.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 14:02, 6 March 2023 (EST)
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::That is somewhat circular reasoning since the MUL is often dependent on ''us'' for info. [[User:Echo Mirage|Echo Mirage]] ([[User talk:Echo Mirage|talk]]) 14:04, 6 March 2023 (EST)
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:::Yes parts of the MUL draws from us, but so does a lot of stuff that is BT related. Ray calls it the "Sarna effect", but not trying to compete with the MUL is something else. We can't do it on a technical level. The MUL is a database built for the purpose of being a searchable force builder. Sarna is a wiki, trying to build a comprehensive force builder using a wiki format is likely possible, but it would be an absolute monster to organise.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 14:24, 6 March 2023 (EST)
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::::Wasn't trying to put together a full list of equipment, as you said, it would be a true monster to take on indeed. I was just trying to give a sense of the range of equipment the Blessed Order had access to, with a bit of an emphasis on the some of the more unusual and/or obscure stuff. It is easy enough to overlook the Order's custom built OmniMechs, for instance. Which reminds me, I forgot to mention that the BO installed cruise missile launchers on at least some of their ''Fortress''-class DropShips. I'll head over their now and add that little tidbit. [[User:Echo Mirage|Echo Mirage]] ([[User talk:Echo Mirage|talk]]) 15:50, 11 March 2023 (EST)
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:::::Quick correction to my last, it appears it was actually just the ''Duat''-class DropShips that were fitted with cruise missiles. [[User:Echo Mirage|Echo Mirage]] ([[User talk:Echo Mirage|talk]]) 15:58, 11 March 2023 (EST)
  
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== Military Operation names and caps ==
Pere Serrat--[[User:Pserratv|Pserratv]] ([[User talk:Pserratv|talk]]) 12:55, 24 January 2022 (EST)
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Hiya, it has just come to my attention that you suggested in the [[BattleTechWiki:Manual of Style]] that Sarna BTW should stick to the policy of writing out military operation names in all caps, even though CGL has abandoned the practice. I was actually glad to see this go away as I always hated it. I think I understand where you're coming from which is why I suggested in the policy that neither spelling (all caps or merely capitalized) is technically wrong. This way, existing articles and links do not have to be updated. But I really don't like the prospect of carrying this weird spelling into the future when even CGL have dropped it again. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 05:38, 9 March 2023 (EST)
:hey PS, we didn't have an infoBox at all so FireArms is one I have in development, I thought it might be cool to have a "camo green" shade for the infantry weapons but it does not really work. I shall find a lighter shade.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 02:34, 25 January 2022 (EST)
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:Yeah I implemented the style at a time that CGL didn't seem to know how they wanted to handle it. When CGL settled on a style and Rev brought it up, my suggestion was mostly based on the fact that the work has already been done. I am not a fan of us flopping between styles. As long as they commit to doing all of it, somebody who wants to spend the time reversing all the work can.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 14:02, 9 March 2023 (EST)
::The idea is superb, the only thing is the detail on the color that makes it reading very complex!--[[User:Pserratv|Pserratv]] ([[User talk:Pserratv|talk]]) 05:44, 25 January 2022 (EST)
 
:::I have changed the color to a lighter shade that hopfully works better.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 05:47, 25 January 2022 (EST)
 
::::Great, it looks perfect and readable!--[[User:Pserratv|Pserratv]] ([[User talk:Pserratv|talk]]) 05:56, 25 January 2022 (EST)
 
  
== Uncategorized categories ==
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== Noble houses ==
This category [https://www.sarna.net/wiki/index.php?title=Special:UncategorizedCategories&limit=500&offset=0 Uncategorized categories] is getting bigger. I'm trying to group some of them, but sincerely I do not know how to make it better... I feel some of them if not most can be part of an existing category.--[[User:Pserratv|Pserratv]] ([[User talk:Pserratv|talk]]) 05:45, 25 January 2022 (EST)
 
:I would not worry too much about it. Most of them are wiki functions rather than editor stuff or are fairly self contained, [[:Category:BattleTech Universe Products]] for example is intended as a "top of the ladder" category that covers product ever made that canbe associated with BT. Some, like [[:Category:Characters]] and [[:Category:Stellar Cartography]] could possibly go up one step to say [[:Category:BattleTech Universe]] but after that I think that is the top of that ladder as well.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 05:58, 25 January 2022 (EST)
 
::Some of it, like [[:Category:BattleTech Publications Record Property]] is Deadfire doing... something. Deadfire is fantastic at wiki code but I have no idea what he is aiming for, certainly not having useful features or fixing things we need. The best way to describe my conversations with him on the subject would be:
 
*Me - "Deadfire, what does that code you just put on the wiki do?"
 
*DF -  "Pressing the A key on your keyboard to type the letter A is great, now we have 17 new ways to type the letter A, each one much more complicated than simply pressing the A key. Isn't that an amazing feature to have?"
 
*Me - "But why?"
 
*DF - "Because it makes the wiki much better having 18 ways to type the letter A"
 
*Me - (facepalm)
 
--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 06:16, 25 January 2022 (EST)
 
  
== RE: Battle of Nashira ==
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All right, what's wrong with having the names appear in two places? It does no harm and it makes it easier for people to find. And many of the families that use lowercase particles are noted in their canon entries as the ''von X'' family, not the ''X'' family. [[User:Madness Divine|Madness Divine]] ([[User talk:Madness Divine|talk]]) 22:32, 6 May 2023 (EDT)
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: Never mind; I had the technical issue explained to me. [[User:Madness Divine|Madness Divine]] ([[User talk:Madness Divine|talk]]) 22:58, 6 May 2023 (EDT)
  
Thanks for pointing me in the right direction! The First FedSuns Lancers' part of the battle of 3039 already had a lot of wordy details that didn't pertain to the unit, so trimming it down was essential. Starting work on the Nashira article now! [[User:Mage|Mage]] ([[User talk:Mage|talk]]) 10:13, 25 January 2022 (EST)
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== Added references for Snow Fox ==
:I thought it might be something you would be interestedcin,--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 10:55, 25 January 2022 (EST)
 
  
Appreciate it! The formatting didn't make sense to me but looks way better now. Making a mental note of it! [[User:Mage|Mage]] ([[User talk:Mage|talk]]) 20:10, 26 January 2022 (EST)
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Hi Dmon,
  
==House Humphreys family tree==
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I added reference link in Snow Fox article, it was MUL date
Since you're pretty much the expert, I wanted to raise the position of Samuel Humphreys with you in the family tree on the [[House Humphreys]] page. It says Morgaine, Catherine's aunt, would have had two unknown siblings. But we don't know that. Samuel could be Morgaine's child (and not be eligible as her successor for some reason; we know that Morgaine pretty much groomed Catherine to succeed her anyways so maybe he simply didn't want the job). Or am I missing some information?
 
  
Sidenote, according to the one of the German-only Andurien Wars novels Catherine sent her son Richard into exile after Dalma's birth and he lived with his uncle Samuel on Kanata, an ancient Humphreys fief, for a time. Unless that uncle was on his (unnamed) father's side, I presume that might have been Samuel Humphreys, cousin not sibling to Richard's mother. By extension, it could thus be speculated that Delburton is on Kanata. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 10:51, 28 January 2022 (EST)
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They removed standard Snow Fox from the list and Snow Fox Omni was added in following era
  
:Hey Frabby, I am away from my books right now but if memory serves, I listed two unknown siblings because the original source for Samuel lists him as "first cousin" to Catherine but makes no mention of Morgaine. Samuel could very well be Morgaines son, but the real world tends to have a social hierarchy that would make "son of former duchess" more notable than "first cousin of current duchess", So I have assumed that two siblings exist(ed). The truth of the matter is that nobody at FASA did any family trees beyond the big 6.
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RecGuide described Omni project as success
  
:The stuff from that Andurien Wars novel sounds like it could be slotted into canon pretty easily, I wonder what else we have on Kanata.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 13:40, 28 January 2022 (EST)
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That's the only one I remember that needed references, let me know if there are others
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[[Snow Fox]]
  
== Delete pages 2022 II ==
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Regards,--[[User:Warhawk14|Warhawk14]] ([[User talk:Warhawk14|talk]]) 22:10, 09 May 2023 (EST)
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:Good work!--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 17:42, 10 May 2023 (EDT)
  
Hi Dmon,
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== RE: Hellcat (Hellhound II) ==
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Howdy. I was going to add the Hellcat page for RG:iClan vol. 30 since its an outstanding red link but noticed you had deleted it earlier. Is this because it is similar to the Conjurer or another reason? Should I go ahead and add the page?
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--[[User:KhorneHub|KhorneHub]] ([[User talk:KhorneHub|talk]]) 13:08, 11 June 2023 (EDT)
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:Hey Khornehub,
  
Can you delete this file: "File:Natasha Kerensky MA2LW.jpg"
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:No nothing like that at all, In theory the links on the front page should get updated every week but I often forget and have left them for as long as a month to six weeks in the past. I updated the links as part of a personal effort to be more consistent... this is three weeks in a row I have remembered! The [[Hellcat (Hellhound II)]] still needs an article if you want to have a stab at it.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 13:24, 11 June 2023 (EDT)
I did upload it incorrectly and amended it... but now I cannot delete it :)--[[User:Pserratv|Pserratv]] ([[User talk:Pserratv|talk]]) 04:20, 15 February 2022 (EST)
 
::Do you mean the Natalia one as I can't find a Natasha one?--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 04:48, 15 February 2022 (EST)
 
[[File:Natalia Kerensky MA2LW.jpg|150px]]
 
:::It was my mistake. I uploaded Natasha when it was Natalia. I do not know of Natasha Kerensky appearing in MechAssault 2 Lone Wolf.--[[User:Pserratv|Pserratv]] ([[User talk:Pserratv|talk]]) 06:58, 17 February 2022 (EST)
 
  
== Renaming Files ==
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Hi Dmon,
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Hi Dmon;
  
Is there any way to rename a file and ensure all links are not broken? I've seen several flag banners incorrectly named which mixes things a lot in my mind, but I do not want to cause disaster by renaming them... and I mean renaming so they are ordered correctly... any suggestion?--[[User:Pserratv|Pserratv]] ([[User talk:Pserratv|talk]]) 03:53, 8 March 2022 (EST)
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I made a mistkae. This page [[PowerTech 250]] should be deleted.--[[User:Pserratv|Pserratv]] ([[User talk:Pserratv|talk]]) 06:47, 22 June 2023 (EDT)
  
==Infobox Suggestions==
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== Delete pages 2023 V ==
Hello, Dmon!<br>
 
I seem to recall you inviting feedback on infoboxes for various things.  If this is the wrong place for this one, I ask you kindly redirect me to the proper place:<br>
 
For the Planet infobox, "Jump Point distance" is given as just a number. There is no ready context for what that number means.  Whenever we get around to updating that infobox, could it act similarly to the BattleMech infobox (which appends km/h) and append "days at 1G"?  I realize that is technically "days at 1G with turnover at midpoint" but that would be a bit much. --[[User:Talvin|Talvin]] ([[User talk:Talvin|talk]]) 15:26, 12 March 2022 (EST)
 
:Perfect place for it as on discord thing vanish over time! I think it is a good idea as well, exactly the kind of input I want.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 03:28, 13 March 2022 (EDT)
 
  
== Removed defunct Titles and Positions table ==
 
 
Hi Dmon,
 
Hi Dmon,
  
Just saw you deleted a table with this comment: "Removed defunct Titles and Positions table". When was this decided? Because I've been adding it from time to time so...--[[User:Pserratv|Pserratv]] ([[User talk:Pserratv|talk]]) 11:51, 14 March 2022 (EDT)
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I have a list of pages to delete:
:It has been on the cards for quite a long time, The tables where my first real attempt at charting the various titles and positions but they where always very clunky. Now that we have articles filled out for most titles and positions that fit neatly into the infobox the shift can finally be made. There is a loss in functionallity but the tables also has some severe problems when the same person filled a position more than once.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 12:02, 14 March 2022 (EDT)
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* [[Apollo (disambiguation)]]
==House Marsden==
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* [[Ferenc (disambiguation)]]
Quick Q: Should [[Alexandre Marsden]] get some sort of mention in [[House Marsden]]? --[[User:Talvin|Talvin]] ([[User talk:Talvin|talk]]) 10:39, 15 March 2022 (EDT)
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* [[Jason (94th Falcon Striker)]]
:Given that we have no link, I would say no.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 11:40, 15 March 2022 (EDT)
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* [[Patrick Finnegan (WD)]]
::Fair 'nuff.--[[User:Talvin|Talvin]] ([[User talk:Talvin|talk]]) 11:41, 15 March 2022 (EDT)
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* [[Steven Graham (WD)]]
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* [[Thomas Gordon (WD)]]
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* [[Twenty-First Centauri Lancers]]
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* [[Wendy Hayes (WD)]]
  
== Delete pages 2022 II ==
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And these files that are not used any longer:
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* File:RotS Knights emblem.jpg
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* File:RotS Knights-Errant emblem.jpg
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* File:RotS Paladin emblem.jpg
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* File:RotS Senate emblem.jpg
  
Hi Dmon,
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Thanks in advance.--[[User:Pserratv|Pserratv]] ([[User talk:Pserratv|talk]]) 12:09, 27 June 2023 (EDT)
  
Can you please delete these two categories:
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== Award ==
* [[:Category:MW5 BattleMech Images]]
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Thanks for always being so helpful. Not that you need another, but it's well deserved! [[File:DA 1bol.jpg|Direction Appreciated Award, 2nd ribbon]] https://youtu.be/Z9nCW6HJsmY --[[User:Csdavis715|Csdavis715]] ([[User talk:Csdavis715|talk]]) 21:55, 30 June 2023 (EDT)
* [[:Category:MW5 Images]]
 
  
Thanks.--[[User:Pserratv|Pserratv]] ([[User talk:Pserratv|talk]]) 10:13, 18 March 2022 (EDT)
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== Delete pages 2023 VI ==
  
==Senators of the Republic of the Sphere==
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Can you please delete these ones:
Heya, Dmon,
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* [[Bradus (disambiguation)]]
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* [[Gus Avery (DH)]]
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* [[Gus Avery (WH)]]
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* [[Phillip Ivester Jr.]]
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* [[Poter Erickson (DH)]]
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* [[Poter Erickson (WH)]]
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* [[Rena (disambiguation)]]
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* [[Sean Eric Kevin]]
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* [[Treh (disambiguation)]]
  
Gonna start by copypasting my comment from the talk page for [[Senator of Augustine]]: "So, we have a Canon Conflict issue, here.  ''[[Dark Age: Republic of the Sphere]]'', p. 3 - "The Senate" says, and I quote, "The citizens of each Prefecture elect three to four Senators—depending upon the number of worlds in the Prefecture—to serve in the Senate."  Same source, it is "a body of thirty to forty individuals".  At its height, the RoS had over 200 systems divided into ten Prefectures, Roman numerals I through X.  I think the Senator was ''from'' Augustine, but would have served as Senator ''of'' the Prefecture in which Augustine lay: [[Prefecture VII]]. I lack most of the Republic source material, so I am going to hold off until someone with better sources can cross-check me on this. I am open to the possibility that the canon also directly contradicts itself on this issue: the whole thing seems a muddled mess."
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And thanks in advance.--[[User:Pserratv|Pserratv]] ([[User talk:Pserratv|talk]]) 09:03, 5 July 2023 (EDT)
  
I have looked into it some more, and by comparing Senators with known origins to which Prefecture their world lies in, I came up with this: [[User:Talvin/Other Projects#Senators_and_Prefectures]].  It appears to check out, accounting for not all of these people being in office at the same time, and for not all Senators being named/known.
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:Hi Pserratv, I'm with you on keeping a tidy Wiki! In the next week or two I'll be continuing to go through old character articles that were created years ago before the current format was standardized. Even now there are twice as many more added than you posted, and Dmon is pretty good about deleting them in reasonable time. So I wouldn't worry about it. --[[User:Csdavis715|Csdavis715]] ([[User talk:Csdavis715|talk]]) 22:41, 7 July 2023 (EDT)
  
You created the office pages for "Senator of", and before I upended that, I wanted to touch base with you, see how you feel about either moving the existing ones to "Senator of Prefecture [''Roman Numeral'']", or else just merging them into the relevant Prefecture pages.--[[User:Talvin|Talvin]] ([[User talk:Talvin|talk]]) 11:07, 26 March 2022 (EDT)
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== Delete pages 2023 VI ==
:Main issue is I remember seeing senators refered to as "Senator from" and "Senator of" but it has ALWAYS been a planet NEVER a prefecture unless ih as been written "senator xxxx from xxx in prefecture x", I own all of the source material, so eventually I am going to go back and double check. As is I am not sure why you need to copy paste this onto all of the other senator articles?--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 12:47, 26 March 2022 (EDT)
 
::"As is I am not sure why you need to copy paste this onto all of the other senator articles?" Yeah, neither am I?  I copied from the discussion that I put on that particular page, because that is the one I was working on at the time.  I brought it over here for clarity.  Except I don't see how that relates to your statement, so...can you please clarify?--[[User:Talvin|Talvin]] ([[User talk:Talvin|talk]]) 12:54, 26 March 2022 (EDT)
 
:::I read that as you saying that you where going to copy paste that comment onto all of the senator articles because you believe they are incorrect... Rereading it, I myself am now a little confused as to why I interpreted it as that.... Literally just home from work and very obviously my brain has not restarted yet....
 
  
:::Anyway, back to the actual issue. I am pretty sure it is a case of canon contradicting itself. ''[[Dark Age: Republic of the Sphere]]'' is one of, if not the earliest source of most info on the Republic. Hold off changing anything for now as I have all the sources and hopfully, my super busy work situation is starting to settle down. I will be able to get back to Sarna properly in the next few weeks.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 13:06, 26 March 2022 (EDT)
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Hi Dmon,
::::I will leave it in your hands, but I will leave that work I did on my Userspace page in case you find you do need to refer to it.--[[User:Talvin|Talvin]] ([[User talk:Talvin|talk]]) 13:11, 26 March 2022 (EDT)
 
  
==Covert Ops as Conflicts?==
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Me again needing help for deleting pages...
Something to come back to when things are less hectic: should [[:Category:Covert Operations]] articles use a conflict infobox, something custom for them, or stay as they are?  I feel like something that gives a quick summary would be good. Just tossing this here before I forget.--[[User:Talvin|Talvin]] ([[User talk:Talvin|talk]]) 19:53, 26 March 2022 (EDT)
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Can you delete these pages:
:I am thinking to just use the standard conflict box rather than develop a custom one. But the Conflict box is still on the list to get an overhaul so we can tweek it to be flexible.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 20:20, 26 March 2022 (EDT)
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* [[Alita (Aerospace pilot)]]
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* [[Alita (Clan Wolf)]]
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* [[Alita (MechWarrior)]]
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* [[Bradus (disambiguation)]]
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* [[Bradus (16th Battle)]]
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* [[Bradus (Aerospace pilot)]]
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* [[Bradus (MechWarrior)]]
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* [[Gell (disambiguation)]]
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* [[Gell (Clan Wolf)]]
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* [[Gell (Jade Falcon)]]
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* [[Marcellus (disambiguation)]]
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* [[Marcellus (Aerospace pilot)]]
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* [[Marcellus (Clan Wolf)]]
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* [[Zasser (disambiguation)]]
  
== Query with infoBoxSportsTeam ==
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Thanks in advance.--[[User:Pserratv|Pserratv]] ([[User talk:Pserratv|talk]]) 08:01, 12 July 2023 (EDT)
  
hi Dmon,
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== Category and page needed mess ==
  
Because of the resolution of the image, I would like to make [[Marpesia Stables]] image just 50px... but I cannot. Could you give me a hand with this please?
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Hi Dmon,
  
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We have now several pages as wanted that are dummy for template issues and also several templates with the same problem that are hiding real pages / categories that would be needed.--[[User:Pserratv|Pserratv]] ([[User talk:Pserratv|talk]]) 08:02, 12 July 2023 (EDT)
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: Do you mean all the random stuff that Deadfire is creating? I am aware of the issue and wish I knew what he was doing but most of the time when I ask him he replies with a link to a coding "help page" that has quite obviously been written in such a manner as to be as unhelpful as possible.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 12:29, 12 July 2023 (EDT)
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:: It's also unhelpful to not provide information or examples on what is wrong. --[[User:Deadfire|Deadfire]] ([[User talk:Deadfire|talk]]) 13:19, 12 July 2023 (EDT)
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::: I am pretty sure PS means the fact that the needed articles list is currently not a list of needed articles. [[Special:WantedPages]], excluding the three Russian titles, we don't get an actual needed article until item no. 63--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 13:25, 12 July 2023 (EDT)
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:::: Sounds like a priority for me to get fixed/filled in. I will add it to my [[User:Deadfire/Task list]], and start working on it. Though many MediaWiki admins wished Special:WantedPages to only include the main namespace, it simply hasn't been fixed to do so.
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::::: Yes, I meant that. And also on the missing categories, as now we have like 80 something and most are ''technical'' in nature.--[[User:Pserratv|Pserratv]] ([[User talk:Pserratv|talk]]) 03:57, 16 July 2023 (EDT)
  
Regards,--[[User:Pserratv|Pserratv]] ([[User talk:Pserratv|talk]]) 10:22, 2 May 2022 (EDT)
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== Category Orphaned pages ==
:The infobox is set in such a way that they are all standard. Change the core and all of them change.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 11:58, 2 May 2022 (EDT)
 
  
==PM231==
 
 
Hi Dmon,
 
Hi Dmon,
Just wondering, why did you revert my addition of categories to the above article? [[User:Echo Mirage|Echo Mirage]] ([[User talk:Echo Mirage|talk]]) 21:54, 10 May 2022 (EDT)
 
:Left a note on your page about it!--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 21:55, 10 May 2022 (EDT)
 
::Just saw it thanks! Replied there. [[User:Echo Mirage|Echo Mirage]] ([[User talk:Echo Mirage|talk]]) 22:01, 10 May 2022 (EDT)
 
  
==Notes and Rules==
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We have here thousands of characters listed here as we are creating entries for each mechwarrior in any supplement. Now, would it be ok to have a sort of "warriors page" to clean this up? It is not something I like (we have the categories for this), but it is again hiding potential cross-references missing.
I have been through every page down-tree from [[:Category:Military Commands]] and removed empty and functionally-empty Notes and Rules sections. I took a sampling from things that come under [[:Category:Support Vehicles]] and [[:Category:Spacecraft classes]] but did not find the same issues in my samples.  Closing out this from my own task list, but if you find another Category that has a lot of blank notes/rules sections, let me know and I'll tackle it.--[[User:Talvin|Talvin]] ([[User talk:Talvin|talk]]) 10:58, 18 May 2022 (EDT)
 
:Good work and thank you.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 20:30, 18 May 2022 (EDT)
 
  
==Xanthos (SLDF)==
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Any idea?--[[User:Pserratv|Pserratv]] ([[User talk:Pserratv|talk]]) 08:05, 12 July 2023 (EDT)
Hi again. Could I please ask why you deleted the above redirect? [[User:Echo Mirage|Echo Mirage]] ([[User talk:Echo Mirage|talk]]) 10:56, 19 May 2022 (EDT)
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:I am not overly bothered about the orphaned pages at this point. I do have an idea that could provide a lot of cross-referencing potential but I have not put any time into it to develop it yet, there are a few big projects that need fixing before we start a new one. I am not a fan of the idea of a warriors page at all as it doesn't really serve any purpose beyond providing a home for the orphans.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 12:39, 12 July 2023 (EDT)
:From the discussion on your talk page a standard link to the Xanthos is all that is needed.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 11:42, 19 May 2022 (EDT)
 
::I not sure I quite follow your reasoning there. The debate wasn't on whether or not the Xanthos had seen some service with the SLDF, but exactly what version in service with the CCAF had the SLDF Division in question had received. (GreekFire didn't think the relevant text in Field Manual: SLDF was explicit enough on the matter, hence the somewhat unsatisfactory compromise wording in the article.) [[User:Echo Mirage|Echo Mirage]] ([[User talk:Echo Mirage|talk]]) 13:46, 20 May 2022 (EDT)
 
:::The Xanthos simply being in service with the SLDF is not enough of an arguement for this redirect to exist, even if you could 100% verify that it was a SLDF specific version I would still not be a fan of this redirect. We have a saying around here "Don't try to out MUL the MUL" in reference to Catalysts Master Unit List.
 
:::I am of the opinion that [[:Category:SLDF Combat Vehicles]], [[:Category:SLDF Royal Combat Vehicles]], [[:Category:SLDF 2750 DropShip classes]], [[:Category:SLDF Royal BattleMechs]], [[:Category:Star League BattleMechs]] are all on very questionable ground as to why we even have them on the wiki as dedicated categories because the Star League did not really have its own manufacturing capacity.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 14:35, 20 May 2022 (EDT)
 
::::I am not sure where to start here. Quite apart from the small technicality of anything made in a Star League member state during its existence was 'made in the Star League', the Terran Hegemony, with all its massive industrial might, formed the core of the Star League. It was more than merely 'just' the capital region of the Star League. The Hegemony had been for all intents and purposes been all but subsumed into the core structure of the League, economically, politically and militarily to such a degree that, when the Star League finally died, so did the Terran Hegemony. And even with regards as to the more autonomous members of the League, a not inconsiderable part of their own industrial output was available for common purposes such as defense. Or at least that was the case up to the time of the infamous Taxation Edict of 2763; after which the Free Worlds League in particular suspended all co-operation with the SLDF including prohibiting private companies from even selling basic supplies and services in many cases.
 
::::As to the MUL, I'll just note that a fair few canon units don't have even have entries yet, though I have no doubt that the team behind it are hard at work rectifying this. [[User:Echo Mirage|Echo Mirage]] ([[User talk:Echo Mirage|talk]]) 15:44, 23 May 2022 (EDT)
 
:::::In a way you have kinda answered your own question. "small technicality of anything made in a Star League member state" is pretty much the issue and leaves us with two options. First option is to include basically everything in the category or the second option is to count the member states as the manufacturer instead of the star league. Since we are specifically making the stand that we are not a force building resource the second option makes more sense to me. Your arguement about the Terran Hegemony being essentially absorbed into the Star League is also a valid arguement but it does hinge on the "all intents and purpose" aspect, that introduces a lot of grey area, the hegemony did still exist and planets where officially still listed as controlled by the hegemony so that allows us to say a unit manufactured on a hegemony world is "manufactured by the terran hegemony" whilst basing it on something we can cite as a fact rather than trying to express the political neuance in a system not built to do such things.
 
  
:::::As for the MUL, I can't really comment on how up-to-date it is, I do know that several of the Sarna crew are also part of that team over at CGL but I am not one of them, I have more to do with the fact checking team.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 18:34, 23 May 2022 (EDT)
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==Partner up!==
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Hi, my name is Kate and I am the founder of the Independent Fallout Wiki (over yonder at [https://fallout.wiki/ fallout.wiki]). A few members of our community recommended your wiki as one we should reach out to in order to partner up with (big fans!) The Independent Fallout Wiki split off the corporately hosted wiki to give independence a whirl in April 2022. We want to strengthen relationships between other independent wikis, as our community has interests that span beyond Fallout and are excited to check out other independent sites.
  
==Titles and Positions==
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What does a partnership even mean? Good question! On our end, we feature your website on the wiki as both an article and part of the home page spotlight rotation. If you have a Discord, we also feature your invite along with links to your YouTube/website/videos. If you have similar spaces, we just ask that you do the same for us. You can check out the list of our current wiki buddies [https://fallout.wiki/wiki/FalloutWiki:Affiliates here]!
Just remove those sections, or is there some other process in addition?--[[User:Talvin|Talvin]] ([[User talk:Talvin|talk]]) 14:01, 20 May 2022 (EDT)
 
:As long as the info in the section has been carried over to the relevant title/position article then it is just a straight up removal.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 14:14, 20 May 2022 (EDT)
 
::Done what I can here.  Some individual pages, and anything to do with the Republic of the Sphere, I left alone because of problems reconciling sources/pages. Also, some military titles (like leaders of some units.)  If in doubt, I just left it as is and moved on.  Estimating I got 90% of the ones out there.--[[User:Talvin|Talvin]] ([[User talk:Talvin|talk]]) 10:20, 3 June 2022 (EDT)
 
:Amazing!--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 14:36, 3 June 2022 (EDT)
 
::Just went through [[:Category:Titles and Positions]] and the subcategories thereof and checked everybody listed for each title for a Titles and Position section/box, and pulled citations over where I could find them in that section.  Tedious more than anything.  Those that got snarled and weird, I said, "OK, I am going to leave this for Dmon or somebody else to handle."--[[User:Talvin|Talvin]] ([[User talk:Talvin|talk]]) 15:36, 3 June 2022 (EDT)
 
:::Still a whole heap of work though. I am actively trying to slay that Porrima one you noted earlier, not found it but have managed to pull out a few other ones instead!--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 15:41, 3 June 2022 (EDT)
 
::::Yes, that is one of those.  I know I left the Archons alone because there is a lot of debate over what constitutes "Archon" versus "Regent", and the Republic of the Sphere stuff is so confused that I now actively avoid editing pages relating to it. I think there were a few Coordinators where I stepped away and said, "Nope."  I'll see if I can recall a few others, I should have made a list.--[[User:Talvin|Talvin]] ([[User talk:Talvin|talk]]) 15:45, 3 June 2022 (EDT)
 
:::::Indeed, I am still not sure what to do with the Republic senator thing, I have it on the "are you feeling brave today" version of the to do list--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 15:51, 3 June 2022 (EDT)
 
::::::Here are the ones I felt concerned enough about to put something on the Talk page: [[Talk:Robert Dinesen]], [[Talk:Prince's Champion]], [[Talk:Garner Kerensky]], [[Talk:Duke of Marik]].--[[User:Talvin|Talvin]] ([[User talk:Talvin|talk]]) 15:52, 3 June 2022 (EDT)
 
  
== Delete pages 2022 III ==
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These partnerships work well to connect independent wikis, lead to new friends, and are generally good vibes across the board. I appreciate you considering our request to partner up! If you feel like giving it a go or have any questions, feel free to respond here or message me on Discord (kateaces). Thank you so much in advance. -[[User:Kid Aces|'''''Kate Aces''''']] [[File:MWO Charger.png|25px|link=User talk:Kid Aces]] <sup>[[User talk:Kid Aces|''We’ve got ‘em on the run!'']]</sup> 01:17, 23 August 2023 (EDT)
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== Delete pages 2023 VIII ==
  
 
Hi Dmon,
 
Hi Dmon,
  
Can you delete these pages:--[[User:Pserratv|Pserratv]] ([[User talk:Pserratv|talk]]) 12:48, 2 June 2022 (EDT)
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Could you please delete these pages:
* [[:Category:Battle Galeries]]
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* [[Edasich Compact 255]]
* [[:Category:The IlClan (sourcebook) Images]]
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* [[340 VOX Light]]
:Done sir--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 14:36, 3 June 2022 (EDT)
 
  
==Jackie Darwin==
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Thanks in advance.--[[User:Pserratv|Pserratv]] ([[User talk:Pserratv|talk]]) 05:44, 7 November 2023 (EST)
Hi Dmon. I've see you've erased my addition to Ace Darwin's page. I put it again in Notes, pointing than Jackie may be a posible descendant. It is ok? I think is an important adition.{{Unsigned|Fredericmora}}
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:Hey Fred, I just left a note on your profile about it actually. Putting it in the notes section of the article is ok. The character is obviously a nod to Ace Darwin, and yes she is likely going to be a decendent but we have no evidence of it at this point.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 21:55, 18 June 2022 (EDT)
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== Removing notes from articles ==
Ok i understand. Thanks for leaving it. I think is important to at least mention it. I expect this promising personnage appears in some novel! {{Fredericmora}}
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::I have added a note that both had Mercenary units named the WhipIts, if someone feels that is not strong enough let's discuss it on Jackie Darwin's Talk Page.--[[User:Talvin|Talvin]] ([[User talk:Talvin|talk]]) 21:57, 18 June 2022 (EDT)
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Hi Dmon,
  
== Position of coördinates text on planet articles ==
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I removed those BLP notes, as I am concerned to have them included as mere conjecture by BLP that he believes he created the mechs without evidence. This note has been attributed to approximately 60 mechs, and as it doesn't contain anything but a link to BLP's blog without evidence (and is refuted in at least one case, see the Stone Rhino), it feels inflammatory to leave a note on so many pages without actual citations. I know that's why it's a note, and not a citation, but it feels excessive and would possibly be better served just to be on Pardoe's page and not for every one of these mechs. These notes were only added in the last year or so, at the same time the controversy regarding BLP was happening, and is seen by many as being used as a way to stake Pardoe's brand on the story. Whether this is the case or not it feels disingenuine to leave the notes with only a link to a blog from years ago that was only very recently included on the wiki.
  
Hi, Dmon.
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If possible I'd like this escalated up for discussion with the other admins. As I don't want to step on more toes by removing additional posts. If anything leaving these notes only engages with the controversial situation, especially as the admin responsible for adding these notes was the one writing about the situation with BLP & Faith/Ace so might be seen as biased reporting  (again, be it true or not, this is just how it comes across). I am happy to discuss this further off the wiki if that helps, as I am engaged with quite a few people in the community who have raised this concern.
  
I've noticed you sometimes move the XY coördinates boilerplate on planet articles. Is there something I should know about the reason for its placement? [[User:Madness Divine|Madness Divine]] ([[User talk:Madness Divine|talk]]) 00:26, 27 June 2022 (EDT)
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I will leave it up to your fantastic team. Thank you for hearing me out. Appreciate all your work.{{Unsigned|EnbyKaiju}}
:Just me moving it about as I feel. I am however thinking that when I upgrade the system infobox it should become part of the box rather than free floating text.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 03:34, 27 June 2022 (EDT)
 
  
== Project Banners ==
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:Hiya, as the editor who put up the notes, let me assure you that it was a coincidence that I did that around the same time when all the other stuff happened. It never occurred to me that people might see a connection, beyond by fear that he might take the blog down. BLP's blog is a fantastic window into the very early history of BT and I felt the info was worth having on Sarna. As for its veracity, I give BLP the benefit of doubt and am inclined to believe when he says he wrote certain writeups. Iirc he even admits that he might be misremembering sometimes.
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:Regarding the Stone Rhino, can you elaborate? [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 14:10, 13 November 2023 (EST)
  
When I see a Project Banner on the Article Page (typically Project Clans), is that supposed to be moved to the Talk Page? I think I have seen that being done, but didn't want to jump in without checking.--[[User:Talvin|Talvin]] ([[User talk:Talvin|talk]]) 19:03, 29 June 2022 (EDT)
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::I'll add my two cents in support of changes here. The blog post in question ''opens'' with "I might be wrong." He admits that his memory of the development may be flawed, and subsequently a lot of this is conjecture with no way to verify the veracity of his claims for most of the units he lists. There are some notes on 'Mechs that he showcased that absolutely do deserve recognition, such as the original drafts of the BattleMaster and Shadow Hawk stats, but everything else has about as much credibility as spitballing the names of people you think you might've gone to high school with. "Trust me bro" is not sufficient cause to have authorial credit on ~60 pages. His contributions to the creation of these units belongs on one place, if any, and that is [[Blaine_Lee_Pardoe|on his article page,]] where it can be provided with more context regarding his self-admitted uncertainty than it currently receives as a footnote. --[[User:Einherjarvalk|Einherjarvalk]] ([[User talk:Einherjarvalk|talk]]) 17:54, 13 November 2023 (EST)
:Yes, project banners for all the other projects are on the talk page.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 19:24, 29 June 2022 (EDT)
 
::Think I got them all.  Some of the Clan pages were ''missing'' that banner, I added it to the talk pages.  I did not add it to pages like History or Touman, not sure of the intent of the project there.--[[User:Talvin|Talvin]] ([[User talk:Talvin|talk]]) 19:39, 29 June 2022 (EDT)
 
  
== Delete Redirect ==
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:::Not quite sure what to answer, except that I still don’t see why the info ''shouldn't'' be a trivia item in the respective 'Mech articles. Sure, it could go into the BLP article and probably should be there, too. There’s no reason why the info can’t be in both places. But I reckon the 'Mechs are more central to Sarna BTW than BLP so that's where the info belongs in my opinion. And while it should be taken with a grain of salt, I still consider it noteworthy enough to mention. There is nothing to suggest BLP doesn’t believe what he posted there. (Ok, bad example - he apparently believes and posts a lot more than BT history and most people including myself are not ok with that - but you get what I’m saying.) [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 14:47, 14 November 2023 (EST)
  
Hello Dmon, Could you delete the redirect page at [[:File:BattleTech Legenden 26 - Ich bin Jadefalke.jpg]]?  I mistaken moved [[:File:Ich bin Jadefalke.jpg]] to that when I meant to move [[:File:Ich bin Jadefalke reprint.jpg]]. I moved it back but of course the residual redirect page prevents me from moving to that spot the page I truly want there.  Thanks.  --[[User:Dude RB|Dude RB]] ([[User talk:Dude RB|talk]]) 23:18, 29 June 2022 (EDT)
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::::The reason the info doesn't belong in the trivia section is because there is no evidence to support those claims for the majority of the units listed. For some, such as the aforementioned Shadow Hawk and BattleMaster, Blaine has shown his work and thus can and should receive credit for having a formative hand in their development. For the others, it strongly feels like he's simply trying to solidify his claim as a "founding father of BattleTech," a claim that he continues to lean on in order to push his version of the narrative surrounding his release from the writing team while marketing his new work, even over a year later. Regardless, whether or not Pardoe believes he's telling the truth is immaterial (and, by his own admission, he's not sure it even is the truth). If Sarna is to maintain its reputation as a reliable source of objectively true information about BattleTech, "I believe this is true (but I could be wrong)" is not sufficient cause for the content to remain where it is. I believe that Sarna would benefit more from having the list he lays claim to placed on his article page, and the "behind-the-scenes" materials he posted about the 'Mechs that he has an '''undeniable''' claim to developing transplanted from his blog to the corresponding 'Mech articles and cited accordingly. At that point, whatever Blaine does with his blog becomes immaterial, and the relevant information is preserved where it should be. --[[User:Einherjarvalk|Einherjarvalk]] ([[User talk:Einherjarvalk|talk]]) 16:19, 14 November 2023 (EST)
:Done--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 03:18, 30 June 2022 (EDT)
 
::Thanks. --[[User:Dude RB|Dude RB]] ([[User talk:Dude RB|talk]]) 18:17, 30 June 2022 (EDT)
 
  
== Are we moving the (Faction) Planets Categories to (Faction) Systems Categories? ==
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Hey EnbyKaiju,
  
If we are, I am willing to assist.--[[User:Talvin|Talvin]] ([[User talk:Talvin|talk]]) 19:25, 30 June 2022 (EDT)
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I appreciate you getting back to me and explaining your position. This topic has been discussed amongst the Admin team a few times over the last year, I understand your concerns about the potential for bias. Sarna Admins do not officially have specific roles but as a team we each broadly take on different duties, Frabby is the guy who makes the core of most of our policies around [[Policy:Notability|Notability]], [[Policy:Moratorium|Moratorium]] and [[Policy:Canon|Canon]]. He also takes on writing a lot of the more "sensitive" articles that we have concerns about being refuted or causing issues simply by existing. Stuff like the [[Eridani Light Horse lawsuit]], [[Pride Anthology 2023]] and yes the BLP situation. Because Frabby writes our canon policy, he spends a lot of time working on the Apocryphal and esoterica like the [[Battledroids]], [[TCI Model Sets]], [[BattleTechnology]] and other very early history of BT stuff. The fact that Frabby wrote about both the BLP situation and BLPs Blog about early 'Mech designs is not from the Sarna teams perspective anything unusual. However we do fully understand how the unfortunate timing can be seen as something potentialy suspicious from the outside.
:That is the intent. It is a massive project so any assistance is appreciated.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 20:01, 30 June 2022 (EDT)
 
::I also have an idea to help sort out the 'Mech categories a bit but I need to have a chat with Deadfire about some coding first.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 20:01, 30 June 2022 (EDT)
 
:::The auto-categorizing does do some things that seem to conflict with our intent.  And I will work on moving categories from <nowiki>[[Category:Clan Jade Falcon Planets]] to [[Category:Clan Jade Falcon Systems]]</nowiki> ''(example)''.--[[User:Talvin|Talvin]] ([[User talk:Talvin|talk]]) 20:07, 30 June 2022 (EDT)
 
::::I hope to use Deadfires coding skill to retask that auto-categorizing to match our purpose, leaving just a bit of clean-up rather than manually re-doing all the Mechs.
 
  
::::Have at the Planet>System change sir! I am mostly done for today so I will pick up again tomorrow evening.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 20:12, 30 June 2022 (EDT)
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In truth I can't guarentee that there is absolutely no bias in any of the articles Frabby has ever written, but what I can say is that I have worked with him for getting close to twenty years and honestly believe that out of everybody who works on Sarna, Frabby is by far the most evenhanded.
  
:::::This is going to be a loooong project.  That's fine, I like having at least one of those going at all times.--[[User:Talvin|Talvin]] ([[User talk:Talvin|talk]]) 20:14, 30 June 2022 (EDT)
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Hey Einherjarvalk,
  
:https://www.sarna.net/wiki/index.php?title=Achernar&redirect=no and similar. Guidance? --[[User:Talvin|Talvin]] ([[User talk:Talvin|talk]]) 09:39, 1 July 2022 (EDT)
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The lack of evidence to support the claims is exactly why the information is in the notes section as trivia. Sarna has a [[Policy:Assume good faith|Good Faith]] policy that extends to Authors and people who are involved in the development of the BattleTech Universe. I myself recently have made a "announced product" article for [[Without Question]] based on Bryan Young mentioning it as his next novel during an AMA chat.
:Expanding on this a bit: I started going through alphabetically, until I realized that [[:Category:Independent Planets]] accounts for ~1/3 of the pages I need to adjust categories on.  So I am knocking those out first in one big Zelazny-esque hellride to lighten the load in other categories, and when that is done I will start up again with the 'C's. I am finding redirects that are categorized with Category: (Faction) Planets, and the redirects are to specific ''planets''.  Recategorizing those to system is incorrect, but the planet categories are getting moved.  If you look at Independent Planets, you will see a cluster of those building up at the start of the list as I work through recategorizing the rest.  How are we to deal with categories on Planet Redirects?--[[User:Talvin|Talvin]] ([[User talk:Talvin|talk]]) 12:15, 1 July 2022 (EDT)
 
  
::How to handle planets is a bit multi-layered and involves messing about with redirects. A good example is [[Carver]]. Carver is the "system" and the categories state that but if you go down to the planet category, [[Carver IV]] and [[Carver V]] are redirects to relevant sections of the carver system article, [[Liberty]] also gets a redirect to the "Carver V (Liberty)" section. The redirects to specific planets should not be transitioned over to Category (faction) system, instead they lose all faction related tags only to keep the Planet category.
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Does the note about BLPs blog need to be in every 'Mech article? probably not, but to say that having the note there is enough to call Sarnas reputation as a reliable source of objectively true information about BattleTech into dispute is likely a bit far. The notes on Sarna have been made by a respected Sarna Admin in good faith (especially with neither myself or Frabby being American, taking sides in a disagreement about American political stances is a bit bizarre). Unless Frabby decides that his edits where in error or the rest of the Admin team come to a consensus to remove the notes, I am going to maintain the current status quo.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 19:38, 14 November 2023 (EST)
  
Does that make sense?--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 11:24, 2 July 2022 (EDT)
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:I am honored and a bit flattered. But still, "Frabby said so" is not a valid argument. I am just one out of many editors. And I don’t "write" Sarna's policies, not in the sense of deciding them. User consensus does. I merely had an active role in hammering out many policies back in the early days and happened to create the agreed-upon text.
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:That said, I'm with Dmon on this one. Our existing policies support having those bits of trivia. Conversely, there is nothing requiring Sarna to avoid mentioning them. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 14:49, 15 November 2023 (EST)
  
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Hi, Dmon
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Can you please delete this one Dmon:
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[[Electra (Individual Cameron-class WarShip)]]
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Regards,--[[User:Pserratv|Pserratv]] ([[User talk:Pserratv|talk]]) 12:13, 17 January 2024 (EST)
  
Would it be possible to make some changes to the various vehicle infoboxes? Off the top of my head:
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== Primitive Battlemech deletion? ==
* model to those that don't have it
 
* split fuel and range for vehicles
 
* split movement attributes for LAMs into their three modes
 
  
Thanks either way. [[User:Madness Divine|Madness Divine]] ([[User talk:Madness Divine|talk]]) 12:09, 1 July 2022 (EDT)
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Just wondering why the Primitive Battlemech category was deleted last month? It was pretty useful for my AoW games.[[User:TheRedBee|TheRedBee]] ([[User talk:TheRedBee|talk]]) 23:50, 27 March 2024 (EDT)

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Helping AlekBalderdash - links and Flechs[edit]

Hello Dmon. I see that you freshly archived your talk page anad that I get christen with a post for the new year. I have a matter for your attention. I am conversing with User:AlekBalderdash who is a relatively new editor. He has some questions about the proper usage of external links and also about Flechs sheets as a reference for various 'Mech variants. (In his experimentation with links he has triggered the abuse filter.) I know that there are some restictions on external links, but I could not quickly identify a handy reference page to help him. Could you give him some assistance, both regarding the link issue as well as guidance/feedback on his specific ideas? See User talk:AlekBalderdash#Record Sheets --Dude RB (talk) 21:14, 4 January 2023 (EST)

Delete pages 2023 II[edit]

Hi Dmon,

Can you delete this page: Zeus (Corporation)

Regards,--Pserratv (talk) 04:39, 23 January 2023 (EST)

Delete pages 2023 III[edit]

Can you please delete this category:

Regards,--Pserratv (talk) 08:38, 27 February 2023 (EST)

Looks like Frabby beat me to it!--Dmon (talk) 13:45, 27 February 2023 (EST)
That particular issue almost saw me go down a side tangent and complain about over-automation in templates becoming a straight-jacket for editors whenever a special case pops up. Templates are to serve the editors, not the other way around. Frabby (talk) 00:59, 3 March 2023 (EST)
I do not really want any of this automation in the infoboxes, I have had loads of private talks with Deadfire about not letting him do more until he can come up with a solid example of it doing something better than our current methods.
And the weight automation is going to be scrapped when I get brave enough to update the'Mech infobox.--Dmon (talk) 09:49, 3 March 2023 (EST)

IP edit reverts[edit]

Hi, I see you've reverted a bunch of edits that an IP made to various novel articles. May I ask why? The edits looked legit where alphabetical order of featured 'Mechs was corrected; and a PDF search showed that adding the Archer to the list for Star Lord was also factually correct. Frabby (talk) 00:59, 3 March 2023 (EST)

The re-removal of the starlord archer was my mistake but generally I was removing the mostly needless list collumns the editor was putting in and the entierly needless piping of the Clan 'Mechs when they already have redirects in place.
I know I have been installing the list collumns on system articles where I expect to see the lists continually grow as we get more era info, most of the novel place and equipment lists are usually too short to truly warrant collumns, characters there is an arguement to have them but that is really a case by case situation.--Dmon (talk) 09:45, 3 March 2023 (EST)

DA Governors[edit]

Just following up on the Republic Governor / Legate switches, it looks where this is happening between Dark Age: Republic of the Sphere and Dark Age: Republic Worlds (3130) (i.e. for say Prefecture III), other sources (such as Dark Age: 3132-3134 INN) are exclusively following Dark Age: Republic Worlds (3130) for the proper role where the characters get a mention. Accordingly unless I find some other complexity, I'm proposing to treat (with appropriate notes) the Dark Age: Republic Worlds (3130) listings as the correct one.--HF22 (talk) 23:21, 4 March 2023 (EST)

Glad you have figured out what the error is. I knew it was there but had only thus far handled governors on an individual basis when they turned up in something else, so I was unsure of the specifics of the larger issue. How you plan to handle it is perfect, so only other wrinkle to keep an eye on is the fiction. I think at least one (Mirach) conflicts with both DA:RotS and DA:RW, but I would say the novels get priority in most cases as they flesh out the characters in their roles.--Dmon (talk) 04:27, 5 March 2023 (EST)
The fiction is tying in pretty well so far, so hopefully not too many conflicts to deal with. As you say, for those which do have conflicts I think the novels will need to be preferred, since I believe they are mostly later in publication date as well as more detailed as to the characters.--HF22 (talk) 06:49, 5 March 2023 (EST)

Category:Comstar Support Vehicles[edit]

Hi Dmon,

Just wondering, why did you revert my edit there? Echo Mirage (talk) 13:55, 6 March 2023 (EST)

I was just about to write a comment on your page about it actually. Short version is that as I have mentioned to you before, "used by" is not what Sarna is doing. The MUL does it way better than we ever could so we have decided to not even try and compete.
I have been mulling over what to do about Blessed Order for a couple of days now.--Dmon (talk) 14:02, 6 March 2023 (EST)
That is somewhat circular reasoning since the MUL is often dependent on us for info. Echo Mirage (talk) 14:04, 6 March 2023 (EST)
Yes parts of the MUL draws from us, but so does a lot of stuff that is BT related. Ray calls it the "Sarna effect", but not trying to compete with the MUL is something else. We can't do it on a technical level. The MUL is a database built for the purpose of being a searchable force builder. Sarna is a wiki, trying to build a comprehensive force builder using a wiki format is likely possible, but it would be an absolute monster to organise.--Dmon (talk) 14:24, 6 March 2023 (EST)
Wasn't trying to put together a full list of equipment, as you said, it would be a true monster to take on indeed. I was just trying to give a sense of the range of equipment the Blessed Order had access to, with a bit of an emphasis on the some of the more unusual and/or obscure stuff. It is easy enough to overlook the Order's custom built OmniMechs, for instance. Which reminds me, I forgot to mention that the BO installed cruise missile launchers on at least some of their Fortress-class DropShips. I'll head over their now and add that little tidbit. Echo Mirage (talk) 15:50, 11 March 2023 (EST)
Quick correction to my last, it appears it was actually just the Duat-class DropShips that were fitted with cruise missiles. Echo Mirage (talk) 15:58, 11 March 2023 (EST)

Military Operation names and caps[edit]

Hiya, it has just come to my attention that you suggested in the BattleTechWiki:Manual of Style that Sarna BTW should stick to the policy of writing out military operation names in all caps, even though CGL has abandoned the practice. I was actually glad to see this go away as I always hated it. I think I understand where you're coming from which is why I suggested in the policy that neither spelling (all caps or merely capitalized) is technically wrong. This way, existing articles and links do not have to be updated. But I really don't like the prospect of carrying this weird spelling into the future when even CGL have dropped it again. Frabby (talk) 05:38, 9 March 2023 (EST)

Yeah I implemented the style at a time that CGL didn't seem to know how they wanted to handle it. When CGL settled on a style and Rev brought it up, my suggestion was mostly based on the fact that the work has already been done. I am not a fan of us flopping between styles. As long as they commit to doing all of it, somebody who wants to spend the time reversing all the work can.--Dmon (talk) 14:02, 9 March 2023 (EST)

Noble houses[edit]

All right, what's wrong with having the names appear in two places? It does no harm and it makes it easier for people to find. And many of the families that use lowercase particles are noted in their canon entries as the von X family, not the X family. Madness Divine (talk) 22:32, 6 May 2023 (EDT)

Never mind; I had the technical issue explained to me. Madness Divine (talk) 22:58, 6 May 2023 (EDT)

Added references for Snow Fox[edit]

Hi Dmon,

I added reference link in Snow Fox article, it was MUL date

They removed standard Snow Fox from the list and Snow Fox Omni was added in following era

RecGuide described Omni project as success

That's the only one I remember that needed references, let me know if there are others

Snow Fox

Regards,--Warhawk14 (talk) 22:10, 09 May 2023 (EST)

Good work!--Dmon (talk) 17:42, 10 May 2023 (EDT)

RE: Hellcat (Hellhound II)[edit]

Howdy. I was going to add the Hellcat page for RG:iClan vol. 30 since its an outstanding red link but noticed you had deleted it earlier. Is this because it is similar to the Conjurer or another reason? Should I go ahead and add the page? --KhorneHub (talk) 13:08, 11 June 2023 (EDT)

Hey Khornehub,
No nothing like that at all, In theory the links on the front page should get updated every week but I often forget and have left them for as long as a month to six weeks in the past. I updated the links as part of a personal effort to be more consistent... this is three weeks in a row I have remembered! The Hellcat (Hellhound II) still needs an article if you want to have a stab at it.--Dmon (talk) 13:24, 11 June 2023 (EDT)

Delete pages 2023 IV[edit]

Hi Dmon;

I made a mistkae. This page PowerTech 250 should be deleted.--Pserratv (talk) 06:47, 22 June 2023 (EDT)

Delete pages 2023 V[edit]

Hi Dmon,

I have a list of pages to delete:

And these files that are not used any longer:

  • File:RotS Knights emblem.jpg
  • File:RotS Knights-Errant emblem.jpg
  • File:RotS Paladin emblem.jpg
  • File:RotS Senate emblem.jpg

Thanks in advance.--Pserratv (talk) 12:09, 27 June 2023 (EDT)

Award[edit]

Thanks for always being so helpful. Not that you need another, but it's well deserved! Direction Appreciated Award, 2nd ribbon https://youtu.be/Z9nCW6HJsmY --Csdavis715 (talk) 21:55, 30 June 2023 (EDT)

Delete pages 2023 VI[edit]

Can you please delete these ones:

And thanks in advance.--Pserratv (talk) 09:03, 5 July 2023 (EDT)

Hi Pserratv, I'm with you on keeping a tidy Wiki! In the next week or two I'll be continuing to go through old character articles that were created years ago before the current format was standardized. Even now there are twice as many more added than you posted, and Dmon is pretty good about deleting them in reasonable time. So I wouldn't worry about it. --Csdavis715 (talk) 22:41, 7 July 2023 (EDT)

Delete pages 2023 VI[edit]

Hi Dmon,

Me again needing help for deleting pages... Can you delete these pages:

Thanks in advance.--Pserratv (talk) 08:01, 12 July 2023 (EDT)

Category and page needed mess[edit]

Hi Dmon,

We have now several pages as wanted that are dummy for template issues and also several templates with the same problem that are hiding real pages / categories that would be needed.--Pserratv (talk) 08:02, 12 July 2023 (EDT)

Do you mean all the random stuff that Deadfire is creating? I am aware of the issue and wish I knew what he was doing but most of the time when I ask him he replies with a link to a coding "help page" that has quite obviously been written in such a manner as to be as unhelpful as possible.--Dmon (talk) 12:29, 12 July 2023 (EDT)
It's also unhelpful to not provide information or examples on what is wrong. --Deadfire (talk) 13:19, 12 July 2023 (EDT)
I am pretty sure PS means the fact that the needed articles list is currently not a list of needed articles. Special:WantedPages, excluding the three Russian titles, we don't get an actual needed article until item no. 63--Dmon (talk) 13:25, 12 July 2023 (EDT)
Sounds like a priority for me to get fixed/filled in. I will add it to my User:Deadfire/Task list, and start working on it. Though many MediaWiki admins wished Special:WantedPages to only include the main namespace, it simply hasn't been fixed to do so.
Yes, I meant that. And also on the missing categories, as now we have like 80 something and most are technical in nature.--Pserratv (talk) 03:57, 16 July 2023 (EDT)

Category Orphaned pages[edit]

Hi Dmon,

We have here thousands of characters listed here as we are creating entries for each mechwarrior in any supplement. Now, would it be ok to have a sort of "warriors page" to clean this up? It is not something I like (we have the categories for this), but it is again hiding potential cross-references missing.

Any idea?--Pserratv (talk) 08:05, 12 July 2023 (EDT)

I am not overly bothered about the orphaned pages at this point. I do have an idea that could provide a lot of cross-referencing potential but I have not put any time into it to develop it yet, there are a few big projects that need fixing before we start a new one. I am not a fan of the idea of a warriors page at all as it doesn't really serve any purpose beyond providing a home for the orphans.--Dmon (talk) 12:39, 12 July 2023 (EDT)

Partner up![edit]

Hi, my name is Kate and I am the founder of the Independent Fallout Wiki (over yonder at fallout.wiki). A few members of our community recommended your wiki as one we should reach out to in order to partner up with (big fans!) The Independent Fallout Wiki split off the corporately hosted wiki to give independence a whirl in April 2022. We want to strengthen relationships between other independent wikis, as our community has interests that span beyond Fallout and are excited to check out other independent sites.

What does a partnership even mean? Good question! On our end, we feature your website on the wiki as both an article and part of the home page spotlight rotation. If you have a Discord, we also feature your invite along with links to your YouTube/website/videos. If you have similar spaces, we just ask that you do the same for us. You can check out the list of our current wiki buddies here!

These partnerships work well to connect independent wikis, lead to new friends, and are generally good vibes across the board. I appreciate you considering our request to partner up! If you feel like giving it a go or have any questions, feel free to respond here or message me on Discord (kateaces). Thank you so much in advance. -Kate Aces MWO Charger.png We’ve got ‘em on the run! 01:17, 23 August 2023 (EDT)

Delete pages 2023 VIII[edit]

Hi Dmon,

Could you please delete these pages:

Thanks in advance.--Pserratv (talk) 05:44, 7 November 2023 (EST)

Removing notes from articles[edit]

Hi Dmon,

I removed those BLP notes, as I am concerned to have them included as mere conjecture by BLP that he believes he created the mechs without evidence. This note has been attributed to approximately 60 mechs, and as it doesn't contain anything but a link to BLP's blog without evidence (and is refuted in at least one case, see the Stone Rhino), it feels inflammatory to leave a note on so many pages without actual citations. I know that's why it's a note, and not a citation, but it feels excessive and would possibly be better served just to be on Pardoe's page and not for every one of these mechs. These notes were only added in the last year or so, at the same time the controversy regarding BLP was happening, and is seen by many as being used as a way to stake Pardoe's brand on the story. Whether this is the case or not it feels disingenuine to leave the notes with only a link to a blog from years ago that was only very recently included on the wiki.

If possible I'd like this escalated up for discussion with the other admins. As I don't want to step on more toes by removing additional posts. If anything leaving these notes only engages with the controversial situation, especially as the admin responsible for adding these notes was the one writing about the situation with BLP & Faith/Ace so might be seen as biased reporting (again, be it true or not, this is just how it comes across). I am happy to discuss this further off the wiki if that helps, as I am engaged with quite a few people in the community who have raised this concern.

I will leave it up to your fantastic team. Thank you for hearing me out. Appreciate all your work.— The preceding unsigned comment was posted by EnbyKaiju (talkcontribs) .

Hiya, as the editor who put up the notes, let me assure you that it was a coincidence that I did that around the same time when all the other stuff happened. It never occurred to me that people might see a connection, beyond by fear that he might take the blog down. BLP's blog is a fantastic window into the very early history of BT and I felt the info was worth having on Sarna. As for its veracity, I give BLP the benefit of doubt and am inclined to believe when he says he wrote certain writeups. Iirc he even admits that he might be misremembering sometimes.
Regarding the Stone Rhino, can you elaborate? Frabby (talk) 14:10, 13 November 2023 (EST)
I'll add my two cents in support of changes here. The blog post in question opens with "I might be wrong." He admits that his memory of the development may be flawed, and subsequently a lot of this is conjecture with no way to verify the veracity of his claims for most of the units he lists. There are some notes on 'Mechs that he showcased that absolutely do deserve recognition, such as the original drafts of the BattleMaster and Shadow Hawk stats, but everything else has about as much credibility as spitballing the names of people you think you might've gone to high school with. "Trust me bro" is not sufficient cause to have authorial credit on ~60 pages. His contributions to the creation of these units belongs on one place, if any, and that is on his article page, where it can be provided with more context regarding his self-admitted uncertainty than it currently receives as a footnote. --Einherjarvalk (talk) 17:54, 13 November 2023 (EST)
Not quite sure what to answer, except that I still don’t see why the info shouldn't be a trivia item in the respective 'Mech articles. Sure, it could go into the BLP article and probably should be there, too. There’s no reason why the info can’t be in both places. But I reckon the 'Mechs are more central to Sarna BTW than BLP so that's where the info belongs in my opinion. And while it should be taken with a grain of salt, I still consider it noteworthy enough to mention. There is nothing to suggest BLP doesn’t believe what he posted there. (Ok, bad example - he apparently believes and posts a lot more than BT history and most people including myself are not ok with that - but you get what I’m saying.) Frabby (talk) 14:47, 14 November 2023 (EST)
The reason the info doesn't belong in the trivia section is because there is no evidence to support those claims for the majority of the units listed. For some, such as the aforementioned Shadow Hawk and BattleMaster, Blaine has shown his work and thus can and should receive credit for having a formative hand in their development. For the others, it strongly feels like he's simply trying to solidify his claim as a "founding father of BattleTech," a claim that he continues to lean on in order to push his version of the narrative surrounding his release from the writing team while marketing his new work, even over a year later. Regardless, whether or not Pardoe believes he's telling the truth is immaterial (and, by his own admission, he's not sure it even is the truth). If Sarna is to maintain its reputation as a reliable source of objectively true information about BattleTech, "I believe this is true (but I could be wrong)" is not sufficient cause for the content to remain where it is. I believe that Sarna would benefit more from having the list he lays claim to placed on his article page, and the "behind-the-scenes" materials he posted about the 'Mechs that he has an undeniable claim to developing transplanted from his blog to the corresponding 'Mech articles and cited accordingly. At that point, whatever Blaine does with his blog becomes immaterial, and the relevant information is preserved where it should be. --Einherjarvalk (talk) 16:19, 14 November 2023 (EST)

Hey EnbyKaiju,

I appreciate you getting back to me and explaining your position. This topic has been discussed amongst the Admin team a few times over the last year, I understand your concerns about the potential for bias. Sarna Admins do not officially have specific roles but as a team we each broadly take on different duties, Frabby is the guy who makes the core of most of our policies around Notability, Moratorium and Canon. He also takes on writing a lot of the more "sensitive" articles that we have concerns about being refuted or causing issues simply by existing. Stuff like the Eridani Light Horse lawsuit, Pride Anthology 2023 and yes the BLP situation. Because Frabby writes our canon policy, he spends a lot of time working on the Apocryphal and esoterica like the Battledroids, TCI Model Sets, BattleTechnology and other very early history of BT stuff. The fact that Frabby wrote about both the BLP situation and BLPs Blog about early 'Mech designs is not from the Sarna teams perspective anything unusual. However we do fully understand how the unfortunate timing can be seen as something potentialy suspicious from the outside.

In truth I can't guarentee that there is absolutely no bias in any of the articles Frabby has ever written, but what I can say is that I have worked with him for getting close to twenty years and honestly believe that out of everybody who works on Sarna, Frabby is by far the most evenhanded.

Hey Einherjarvalk,

The lack of evidence to support the claims is exactly why the information is in the notes section as trivia. Sarna has a Good Faith policy that extends to Authors and people who are involved in the development of the BattleTech Universe. I myself recently have made a "announced product" article for Without Question based on Bryan Young mentioning it as his next novel during an AMA chat.

Does the note about BLPs blog need to be in every 'Mech article? probably not, but to say that having the note there is enough to call Sarnas reputation as a reliable source of objectively true information about BattleTech into dispute is likely a bit far. The notes on Sarna have been made by a respected Sarna Admin in good faith (especially with neither myself or Frabby being American, taking sides in a disagreement about American political stances is a bit bizarre). Unless Frabby decides that his edits where in error or the rest of the Admin team come to a consensus to remove the notes, I am going to maintain the current status quo.--Dmon (talk) 19:38, 14 November 2023 (EST)

I am honored and a bit flattered. But still, "Frabby said so" is not a valid argument. I am just one out of many editors. And I don’t "write" Sarna's policies, not in the sense of deciding them. User consensus does. I merely had an active role in hammering out many policies back in the early days and happened to create the agreed-upon text.
That said, I'm with Dmon on this one. Our existing policies support having those bits of trivia. Conversely, there is nothing requiring Sarna to avoid mentioning them. Frabby (talk) 14:49, 15 November 2023 (EST)

Delete page 2024 I[edit]

Can you please delete this one Dmon: Electra (Individual Cameron-class WarShip) Regards,--Pserratv (talk) 12:13, 17 January 2024 (EST)

Primitive Battlemech deletion?[edit]

Just wondering why the Primitive Battlemech category was deleted last month? It was pretty useful for my AoW games.TheRedBee (talk) 23:50, 27 March 2024 (EDT)