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Quintus Allard

Hi Dmon,

Why do we not consider the head of the espionage of House Davion as an spy?--Pserratv (talk) 08:22, 2 January 2020 (EST)

Because we have no known cases of him acting as a spy. He was a diplomat and then minister of intelligence, they are both roles as a goverment official and who he is and what he does would be matters of public record.--Dmon (talk) 08:32, 2 January 2020 (EST)

MechForce (Video Game)

Following your decision regarding Titans of Steel, do you feel MechForce (Video Game) should also be dumped? It doesn't appear to be a BT-related game, canon or fanon, and is far from a useful article, as it presently stands.--Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 11:20, 20 January 2020 (EST)

The article itself suffers pretty badly from the "data dump" that video game articles seem to aquire and as such needs a massive cleanup. I have a suspiccion that the article does belong here but possibly more in the way that we have articles about the Unseen and the ELH copyright case. From what I can tell the game was something similar to what MegaMek is today with the main difference being that CGL/Microsoft allow MegaMek to operate but FASA apparently at very least threatened the creator of MechForce with legal action.

I have a friend who is big into the retro games scene who I have asked to put some feelers out and see if he can dig anything up for us.--Dmon (talk) 11:35, 20 January 2020 (EST)

Excellent. Thank you.--Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 14:13, 20 January 2020 (EST)

Star Lord notes

Hiya, wanted to ask why you axed the Notes section in the Star Lord (novel) article? I agree that details on Dawn's future may not be relevant, but I thought the part about "Thomas Marik" in the book being almost certainly the double is worth mentioning. Frabby (talk) 04:59, 21 February 2020 (EST)

Hey Frabby, I removed the note about Dawn pretty much for the reason you stated. The part about using the head to test the DNA of Stefan Amaris VII is interesting but also utter speculation. "Thomas Marik" for the purposes of the story is Thomas Marik with no indication that he is acting in any capacity other than as the ruler of the FWL. In universe the other characters consider him to be Thomas Marik and the revelations about him being a plant are largely another decade off. As such I felt that the note had very little relevance to the book.--Dmon (talk) 09:34, 21 February 2020 (EST)

Nominations

Thanks for the nomination!! What I would love would be to one day this year if possible write or reddo an article which I really feel is a very good improvement as and stand alone contribution. I have one in mind, complex and that might well spur some interesting "discussions". I'll just need to find the time. My daughter wAS BORN Premature this past year and its being hard, hapyilly hard, but nevertheless hard (the capital letters here are her doing as its helping me write :).--Pserratv (talk) 06:15, 22 February 2020 (EST)

My pleasure PS, you deserve all the nominations for all of the awards :-p. I am really bad at writing articles myself so I totally understand the desire to make a stand alone contribution like that. Kinda why I put so much time into digging out all of the noble families and titles. Over time I think it has started to become something useful to people.

I am so glad your daughter is doing well, my sisters youngest was a month premature so I understand some of the issues you must of faced. Even more respect my friend!--Dmon (talk) 06:45, 22 February 2020 (EST)

House Steiner Family Tree

My physical of House Steiner family tree from House Steiner and from House Steiner (The Lyran Commonwealth) are very different as we are seeing. Which is the good source?? I do not want to start changing without first asking.--Pserratv (talk) 13:02, 27 February 2020 (EST)

I think it might be a case of checking as many sourcesas we can and build a tree based on evidence from multiple sources where we can. So I think a good starting point is finding the differences as it will give us an idea just how much we need to check.--Dmon (talk) 13:07, 27 February 2020 (EST)

There's also a pretty clear guideline for cases of directly contradictory information, namely that later sources trump earlier sources - but only if they truly contradict each other, and only in the absence of other rulings or information. Frabby (talk) 16:36, 27 February 2020 (EST)

I started on the House Davion family tree and have run into the same problem right away. It's going to be a deep dive into several books to truly make sense of the inconsistencies. I agree with Frabby, though, newer sources supersede old unless specifically ruled otherwise.--Cache (talk) 10:44, 28 February 2020 (EST)

If you have scans of those family trees, I'd love to get copies of them... BrokenMnemonic (talk) 15:48, 28 February 2020 (EST)

Character Articles

Hi Dmon,

I'm a bit slow these days, but I just noticed when digging out a minor character article I'd put in (to use as a template for the next) that where I've been listing people's professions (MechWarrior, military officer, etc) you've been swapping them instead to their most recent rank. I just wanted to check the reasoning, because I'm a little nonplussed - to me, a rank isn't a profession or an occupation. In my line of work, a General's profession isn't being a General, it's being an Army officer - being a General is just one particular moment in their overall career. In theory, where we've got people mentioned in multiple sources over the course of their career, if I'm to list their current rank as their profession, the articles run the risk of being out of date. Gavilán Camacho is a Major in the novel I'm data-mining at the moment, but I know from other articles on Sarna that he later becomes a Lieutenant Colonel, and then a full Colonel. To me, his profession is the same - he's a mercenary officer - but his rank changes with each source, so it makes more sense to me to keep his profession as mercenary officer. What're your thoughts? BrokenMnemonic (talk) 07:55, 2 March 2020 (EST)

Hey BM,

The short answer to the question is that I use the characters highers rank / position or what ever their career high point mostly out of personal preference. Longer answer is that the character infobox needs updating to include titles, ranks and positions because profession on it's own is borderline redundant when boiled down to things like Noble, Military officer, mercenary, politician and Mechwarrior. Due to the nature of the BT universe we could probably use the Mechwarrior profession on 95% of all character articles, I do not think that would be of any use to anybody. At the same time updating the infobox for every character article would be a titanic task and would likely be quite time consuming. So instead I have chosen to take the attitude that the content of the profession listing is a flexible thing.--Dmon (talk) 19:46, 2 March 2020 (EST)

I'm personally not all that bothered by so many MechWarriors appear on here (although, if we ever do actually generate an article for every character ever mentioned, there should be a fair number of nobles, pilots et al to go with them) … in part, I'm not bothered, because worrying about lots of 'Mech jocks being listed on a wiki that's predominantly all about 'Mechs feels a little like worrying that a wiki about plumbing mentions a lot of plumbers, tap-fitters and sanitation engineers... BrokenMnemonic (talk) 15:33, 6 March 2020 (EST)

Thanks for deleting what I detect from time to time

Just that.--Pserratv (talk) 06:07, 2 April 2020 (EDT)