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Arms of Thor Logo

Hello. Are there any canon sources that specify the logo for the Arms of Thor unit? The artwork referenced in Maximum Tech is in the section for the Command Console only. Also, the color image technically is fan art, being reconstructed and colorized by a member of the BattleTech forums. --Cache (talk) 19:31, 13 January 2019 (EST)

None other to my knowledge. I did indeed take that from this person In think.--Pserratv (talk) 06:45, 14 January 2019 (EST)

Sorry to butt in (and late), but fan-created art is official acceptable, if it is a quality improvement upon the available source image. For example, if the source image is only b&w, and someone can re-create it with indicated colors, then it is allowed. However, if no logo has ever been depicted--nor described--then this would not apply.--Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 17:09, 4 February 2019 (EST)

Umm, Rev? That's not how I remember it. Back in 2010 we specifically created the Template:ApocryphalImage for this purpose. And to quote Policy:Images: "Please note that any edit or modification to an image technically constitutes fan work, requiring attribution to the last editor (usually in addition to the original artist) and eliminating the image's canon status." Frabby (talk) 04:29, 5 February 2019 (EST)

I mis-stated when I used the term "official", so I've changed it to "acceptable", though I suspect that does not pass your muster. And I'm glad you quoted that specific line from the policy ("Please note that any edit or modification to an image technically constitutes fan work, requiring attribution to the last editor (usually in addition to the original artist) and eliminating the image's canon status.").

Let's move this to the Policy Talk:Images, as I have something rather germane to this issue. Thanks. --Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 10:53, 6 February 2019 (EST)

HexPack rollbacks

Hi Pere, I rolled back your edits to the Hex Pack pages because they were... wrong. The Classic BT Introduction Box Set you linked is a 2007 product that has nothing to do with the 25 Anniversary edition or the subsequent non-anniversary edition of the boxed set that I meant (with, I'm told, much better quality miniatures) and for which we curiously seem to be missing an article. That's something I need to look into. Frabby (talk) 12:41, 4 February 2019 (EST)

I thought they were all the same.--Pserratv (talk) 12:49, 4 February 2019 (EST)

There are two box sets that came out eighteen months or so apart; one has the product number 3500A (I have 2 copies) and one has the product number 3500B (I have 1 copy). The edition with the number 3500A has the Hammerhands/Battleaxe on the cover (I can never remember which is which, but it's the early FedSuns lookalike for the Warhammer) while the one with the product number 3500B has an Atlas on the cover. To make life interesting, from memory they're both entitled "BattleTech Introductory Box Set", although I need to check that when I get home, but the one with the serial number 3500A has a tagline on the bottom right hand corner of the box front describing it as "The 25th Anniversary of the Game of Armoured Combat". Most of the contents of the two boxes are the same, but there are two exceptions. Firstly, each box contains two premium, high-quality minis that come in multiple parts; one set had (I think) a Loki and a Thor in it, or a Thor and a Summoner, but basically 2 Clan OmniMechs; the other had a Mad Cat and... I think an Atlas? I'm not sure what I did with my premium minis, but I don't think they're still in the boxes. Each also contained some single-piece sculpted minis, and those in the later 3500B box set are of noticeably higher quality. My time's all over the place at the moment, but if someone's going to clarify and expand the box set articles and wants pictures or more precise content details, let me know and I'll see what I can do. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 10:04, 5 February 2019 (EST)

Trent

Cheers for fixing the image on the Trent article and pre-empting that I was going to ask you about it today.

Have an award

I have also updated your awards board.--Dmon (talk) 05:14, 15 February 2019 (EST)

Ja, ja, ja!! Thanks :)--Pserratv (talk) 05:28, 15 February 2019 (EST)

Actually.. I have nominated you for the Founder's Outstanding Member of the Year Award in the BattleTechWiki:2018 Founder's Awards.--Dmon (talk) 13:51, 16 February 2019 (EST)

Thanks again :)--Pserratv (talk) 15:01, 16 February 2019 (EST)

!

You had me worried for a second making articles with names like Star Stuff :-p--Dmon (talk) 12:42, 20 February 2019 (EST)

It is a real ship :)... it is true its name is... different--Pserratv (talk) 12:48, 20 February 2019 (EST)

Officer tables and fluff

Good work on the officer tables, much quicker than I ever go! But I just want to say that one of the reasons I am slower is I take advantage of the change to Policy:Notability. Don't be afraid of stub character articles rather than using the notes section, part of the reason I supported the change is so that we do not lose those bits of fluff ;-)--Dmon (talk) 04:02, 27 February 2019 (EST)

Good point. I'll remember that for next ones. Skipping them is though what makes this editing quick. I prefer to work in phases. First tables, then officers, and so on :). In the end it is a way of working.--Pserratv (talk) 04:04, 27 February 2019 (EST)

I thought that might be the case so just a friendly nudge to make sure. Some of the stuff like the CO of Devil's Brigade is certainly worthy of an article even without the policg change.--Dmon (talk) 04:11, 27 February 2019 (EST)

Are you going make this a template? I don't think i could have made these wonderful officer tables by hand like you can! -- Wrangler (talk) 20:23, 5 March 2019 (EST)

Hey, I'm wondering why you're using tables for formatting this at all. The reason I ask is that they look great on my laptop, but when I visit them with my phone and tablet table-based layout tricks like this tend to break and look terrible. Not trying to badmouth your work; I'm honestly curious what advantage you see to using the tables. Thanks!--Mbear^(talk) 22:07, 5 March 2019 (EST)

Hi Mbear, the first thing... I did not check on mobile or tablet based systems. I liked how Dmon ordered them and decided to help him formatting the officers list. It makes though easier to look at them.--Pserratv (talk) 03:16, 6 March 2019 (EST)

Hi Wrangler, the tables... this is copy past ability :) Once you have the table once, it is easy to copy past it at amend it for every command.--Pserratv (talk) 03:16, 6 March 2019 (EST)

Indeed wrangler, I made the first table by hand but afterwards I have just copy/pasted. Mbear, I created them to try and solve the mess of what I call "wikisms" where consecutive authors and sources have resulted in something that is correct but makes no sense in terms of reader flow. I edited a bunch that said "Between 3025 and 3050 Colonel xxxx commanded the unit, he was still in command in 3067, and also 3085" the table is purposefully short (3 sections) in an effort to control the breakage... as such they look ok on my Samsung Note 8, but that is quite a big phone so maybe further feedback is required.--Dmon (talk) 03:34, 6 March 2019 (EST)

OK. Those are all logical reasons. I think we can do better though. By setting a couple CSS classes on the table it should be possible to make a table that presents information without breaking and forcing me to scroll horizontally. (I'm thinking of the vast tables on the Awards page, which make me cringe every time I visit the page.) And it may be possible to create a template that can be used to create the table. And add the caption "Commanding officer of Unit Name" without requiring a four-column colspan. I'd also like to remove the hardcoded 'width=200px' because that seems to be what's causing most of my problems. Let me do some more research and I'll try to get an example up sometime later this week.--Mbear^(talk) 07:01, 6 March 2019 (EST)

Then I'll stop changing tables and wait untill a new version is made "official" to continue on this.--Pserratv (talk) 07:10, 6 March 2019 (EST)

I am more than happy to have the code improved Mbear :-)--Dmon (talk) 07:29, 6 March 2019 (EST)

Sub-unit Categories

Hi Pere, I'm a bit non-plussed by some categories you created, such as Category:Stormhammers Commands, Category:Bannson's Raiders Commands, etc.. Should the sub-units that you categorize not simply be listed in the main article? After all, it's only ever going to be a handful of units in the first place, the number isn't going to increase, and since those factions weren't proper states, I don't think we need (or should) treat them like the militaries of established major states. Frabby (talk) 05:21, 7 March 2019 (EST)

My reasoning to create those categories is that all military units belong to some command category... except for a few commands which finally ended in a "proper" big unit, I feel they need to be categorized. We already have small categories from "dead" states like the proto-estates of the past. Maybe they should be inside the Republic of the Sphere as factions, but I would then point them to Republic but keep their faction categorization, I feel it gives something. Which is your feeling?--Pserratv (talk) 05:24, 7 March 2019 (EST)

I do not understand: Why would all military units need to be categorized into a command category?

The core of the problem, I think, is the fact that personally, I want to keep the number of categories as low as possible, and that Sarna doesn't (yet) have a proper policy in place about how to organize military units.

In my opinion, since the BT universe militaries are essentially organized as regiments, regiment articles should be at the core and they should be categorized into their respective state military (only). Most regiments don't even have another command that they belong to - there are only few actual brigades, and most of these, like the Davion Brigade of Guards, are not field commands but rather purely administrative bodies.

In any case, since there is a rigid structure you can always put the next higher organisational level (if any) into the article, and by the same token name the individual battalions or companies of a given regiment in the regiment article unless they're so notable that they have their own articles (in which case you provide a link in the regiment/battalion article). With such a rigid structure, I guess I simply don't see a need for categories. Frabby (talk) 06:10, 7 March 2019 (EST)

I have no problem deleting the categories. I've linked them already as parent unit the Stormhammers, Steel Wolves... DO we make this official?--Pserratv (talk) 08:50, 7 March 2019 (EST)

Not sure. I've been thinking about rewriting Policy:Notability for some time, and wanted to include organisational issues like this one. But I'm just one of Sarna's many contributors, and as such would like to build a broader consensus first on wether or not (and how) we should adress this issue. Frabby (talk) 10:15, 7 March 2019 (EST)

Let's raise it there then, and see how we tackle this. Factions are mainly because of the Dark Ages miniature pack... not many more.--Pserratv (talk) 10:22, 7 March 2019 (EST)

A small handful of stuff like the Eridani Guards, Knights Defensor and of course the "Dark Age" units has always been a bit of an issue under our current system. This realy annoys me because the current system works pretty damn well for most other types of command. It is one of the things we have managed to hammer out over time into a really effective system.--Dmon (talk) 21:05, 7 March 2019 (EST)

Image Sources and Template

Hello, you and I seem to be uploading the most images lately. I was wondering if you could make sure you add the image's source when you do: Policy:Images. I am adding Template:Image_summary to all images that I can, and any help is appreciated. If you add the template and the information is unknown, leave the line blank. The image will show up in the [Images Missing Copyright Information] category and someone else may be able to add the info. If there is no template on the image, it does not appear in the category, and can only be found by chance. Thank you! --Cache (talk) 18:38, 7 March 2019 (EST)

I'll try... most of the images I've added as of late are from collectible cards. Who can I put as reference? Topps?--Pserratv (talk) 12:39, 8 March 2019 (EST)

The simplest would be BattleTech Trading Card Game plus the card set (Limited, Unlimited, Counterstrike, etc.) for a source.--Cache (talk) 14:45, 8 March 2019 (EST)

Point taken. While I'm reviewing the images and other topics I'll complete it.--Pserratv (talk) 15:43, 8 March 2019 (EST)

A good number of CCG images already exist on Sarna (picture only, not the whole card). Please make sure there are no double uploads. Frabby (talk) 05:50, 9 March 2019 (EST)

I'm replacing images most of the times. That created a possible issue with other pages using the same image as the card that I'm trying to amend too.--Pserratv (talk) 10:41, 9 March 2019 (EST)

Thank you for adding the template. It really helps to avoid duplication of effort. I added a little to the cards that you have edited recently, to include the Works by Artist category and to get correct style with italics. If you wish to use those as a template for the future, all you would have to do is change the Mech name, artist name (twice), name of the card set, and (if appropriate) change BattleMech to OmniMech. example: File:Albatross_ALB-3U_CCG_Mercenaries.jpg I usually work out of a text file and copy/paste to the page--fast and easy.--Cache (talk) 13:23, 10 March 2019 (EDT)

I'll use copy & paste, is my favourite tool for this kind of mass uploads. Thanks for creating a "complete" sample of the template.--Pserratv (talk) 03:23, 11 March 2019 (EDT)

Aris Memorial Yards

Hey PS, I am pretty sure the actual name of the shipyards is Aris Memorial Yards so if anything all the redirects should point there unless there is a reason for them to point to Necromo Shipyrds?--Dmon (talk) 11:51, 12 March 2019 (EDT)

I'll arrange it... the original page was the Necromo Shipyards... and I'm lazy today it seems :)--Pserratv (talk) 11:53, 12 March 2019 (EDT)

Haha, I am yet to see you do what I would term lazy my friend :-p--Dmon (talk) 12:03, 12 March 2019 (EDT)

I'm like everybody, but thanks! :)--Pserratv (talk) 14:12, 12 March 2019 (EDT)

Restored edit

Hey PS, How come you restored the duplicated information in the William Baranov article? The sentence immediately before that one states that they killed eachother.. The only information it adds is that a warehouse exploded for unknown reasons... And anything with the "unknown reasons" is pretty much useless information.--Dmon (talk) 12:48, 27 March 2019 (EDT)

I corrected the spelling, just that. Feel free to delete. Fredericmora never says were the information cames from, making his edits hard to sort out.--Pserratv (talk) 12:49, 27 March 2019 (EDT)

Ah ok you must of had an edit window open at the same time as me. No worries, sorry for having a grumble. The Fredericomora thing frustrates me.--Dmon (talk) 12:54, 27 March 2019 (EDT)

Most probably. I took a step on my review of the Kurita line to play again with the card game and saw his edits... I tried to contact him in the spanish forum, no luck.--Pserratv (talk) 12:56, 27 March 2019 (EDT)

The CCG is one of the few BT things I know absolutely nothing about, it seems you are the first person to touch half those articles in about 10 years!--Dmon (talk) 13:03, 27 March 2019 (EDT)

Exactly like me... no knowledge at all. I'm following card descriptions and a site where people uploads cards to trade... once that is done I'll try to see how to follow with it.--Pserratv (talk) 13:05, 27 March 2019 (EDT)

Snord's Irregulars DropShips

Hi Pere, good job about checking the roster in the sourcebook and finding the Diamondstar and Majestic Defiance! I had simply taken the unit's 3055 roster from the Mercenary's Handbook 3055 and assumed the five "captured" Clan vessels there were the same ones taken from the Dark Wing Cluster in 3051. I've updated all seven DropShip articles. Frabby (talk) 04:38, 11 May 2019 (EDT)

I was rereading the book yesterday and found that out :). I saw you were amending the articles and just made a small name change on the cluster.--Pserratv (talk) 05:05, 11 May 2019 (EDT)

Baby arrived earlier

I've been a bit disconected as of late. Nearly seven weeks ago my first little girl came to this world in her 29th week. Though it has been hard, now, nearing week 36 everything is ok.

I'll keep posting, but maybe at stranger hours (I'm taking the 1am shift to feed her).--Pserratv (talk) 09:55, 24 May 2019 (EDT)

Congratulations on the little one Pserratv, and commiserations on your sleepless nights!--Dmon (talk) 20:45, 25 May 2019 (EDT)

Today has been one of those nights... I love my girl, but my sleep cycle doesn't ;) --Pserratv (talk) 06:34, 26 May 2019 (EDT)

Congratz by the way, good luck with the sleep! Wrangler (talk) 20:42, 16 June 2019 (EDT)

Battletech CCG

Hi you left a message regarding the Collector Card Game for Battletech. The Art is uploaded here. and. Not sure if that what your looking for. Wrangler (talk) 20:42, 16 June 2019 (EDT)

I'm trying to find the card screenshots, full card screenshot, no just the image itself.--Pserratv (talk) 07:07, 17 June 2019 (EDT)

Reference Errors

Pserratv, you recently added to the Black Widow Company and 3rd Davion Guards articles. There are several reference errors in the additions and I am unable to determine what the correct references should be for them. Can you please make the corrections? Thank you. --Cache (talk) 12:20, 29 June 2019 (EDT)

The Black Widow book say 3rd Guards, and the only 3rd Guards unit in House Davion is the 3rd Davion Guards. Nevertheless I've asked in the forum.--Pserratv (talk) 14:07, 29 June 2019 (EDT)

I'm not talking about the validity of the information you added. If you look at the references section at the bottom of both articles, there are three different errors, shown in red, that popped up with your changes.

"no text was provided for refs named TBW"

"no text was provided for refs named BW"

"no text was provided for refs named WD"

You did not correctly enter the references, and I do not know what they are in order to correct them.--Cache (talk) 15:02, 29 June 2019 (EDT)