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Store links

Hi Rev, good to see you back in action! Have a virtual pat on the back buddy! :)

A word of caution though: You've been inserting store links into item articles (specifically, BattleRun 2). I think this is a bad idea. Using links to external sites has bitten Sarna in the back multiple times in the past already, because those links go obsolete in a heartbeat when the other site decides to change their makeup, or simply goes offline. We've seen a forum crash, two changes of link structure on the new forum, the death of BattleCorps and some other sites, and one or two revampings of the Catalyst store so far. In each and every case we suddenly had dead links on Sarna. To this day we're seeing occasional IP edits fixing or simply removing old store links from many years ago that are now dead links. My takeaway is to avoid external links like the plague, and straight out copy relevant online content (like official rulings) to talk pages to archive them there. Frabby (talk) 05:40, 4 May 2021 (EDT)

Thanks for the welcome, Frabby. Sure, I can recognize that danger, especially if it has already happened. The reasons for adding them are understood, but it appears the administrative cost is too high (don't get me started on how it is still difficult for new players to even find the store on the CGL site; I do my purchasing on DriveThru). As to adding store links, why don't we just remove them altogether? A large part of wikis involves copying wikicode and changing it. If we do away with it, then it won't be replicated by editors (and errant admin-types).--Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 08:02, 4 May 2021 (EDT)

Ping!

Hey buddy. Made it to the Discord channel.--Mbear^(talk) 12:00, 14 June 2021 (EDT)

Ping received--Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 15:09, 14 June 2021 (EDT).

testing, 1, 2, 3...-Volt (talk) 10:33, 20 June 2021 (EDT)

Category Notable Pilots

Hi Revanche,

I copied the "base" of Category:Notable Awesome pilots from another "Notable Page", so most probably issues are in all those pages. will you review and correct them?--Pserratv (talk) 06:48, 21 June 2021 (EDT)

Rgr, wilco.--Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 07:34, 21 June 2021 (EDT)

Thanks!--Pserratv (talk) 08:13, 21 June 2021 (EDT)

Tamar Rising systems

Hi Rev, in regards to this File:Tamar Rising coordinates 2021-06-16 (CGL).png, I think it should be noted somewhere in the text box going with the file that two of the three systems have subsequently been identified as pre-existing systems by Ray that had been renamed. Just to make it clear that we aren't looking at three entirely new and previously unmapped systems (only one). Frabby (talk) 03:48, 22 June 2021 (EDT)

For your review.--Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 06:12, 22 June 2021 (EDT)

DPL (Help, Policy, etc.)

Here you go! User:Mbear/RevancheDPLTest--Mbear^(talk) 08:42, 24 June 2021 (EDT)

Laundry List

Put up a few thoughts in the Admins section of the Sarna forum. Frabby (talk) 09:23, 27 June 2021 (EDT)

Will be there shortly. Just wanting to wrap-up this current distraction.--Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 20:14, 27 June 2021 (EDT)

Out of date infobox

Hey Rev, just noticed you updating the Template:InfoBoxStateUnit, and I am guessing that you do not know that it has been retired alongside Template:InfoBoxMercUnit because they are not time agnostic.

I created Template:InfoBoxMilitaryCommand a time agnostic and generally more flexible box about 2 years ago.--Dmon (talk) 20:10, 27 June 2021 (EDT)

Did. Not. Know. Thanks for the early head's up! Hey, do you think replacing those two via Nic's bot is something you'd like to consider? Also, strongly suggest a banner be created/added to those, so that others (including forgetful me) don't trend back to their use.--Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 20:15, 27 June 2021 (EDT)

If we can get a bot to do it... The answer is Yes x 10,000 because I have the unfortunate task of informing somebody they are using the wrong infobox at least once a week between this and the updated character box I did last year.--Dmon (talk) 20:19, 27 June 2021 (EDT)

It's certainly a possibility. Here's how to "apply".--Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 20:22, 27 June 2021 (EDT)

Created a banner aand will ask Nic--Dmon (talk) 20:34, 27 June 2021 (EDT)

That might catch my attention next time. ;) --Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 21:07, 27 June 2021 (EDT)

Category Correction: Individual Naval Vessel

So tried my hand at creating a template (Template:InfoBoxIndividualNavalVessel)and I think I correctly built it. However, I made an error on creating the category (Category:Individual Naval Vessels) to capture the articles that use the template by putting an 's' at the end of Vessel. Are you able to correct that? Thanks!CungrVanck (talk) 07:07, 30 June 2021 (EDT)

Can you get on Discord?--Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 07:42, 30 June 2021 (EDT)

InfoBoxProduct

Revanche, I am following up on the matter of adding the field Format to the Product Infobox, namely, Template:InfoBoxProduct and Template:InfoBoxProduct/doc. Probing the documents, I have a rough sense of what edits would be needed. But I also surmise that these pages are sensitive and that an error in set up would immediately affect anything using that template (though I suppose any error in editing could be fixed by reversion). So do these go through the ususal edit process? or do they require some special handling? --Dude RB (talk) 22:03, 24 October 2021 (EDT)

Hey, Dude RB. If you feel you have consensus to move forward and are ready to experiment with editing a template, please take your shot. Reach out to me either here or on the server if you experience any difficulty. --Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 06:37, 25 October 2021 (EDT)

3032 year page

Why did you remove the entry for the opening of the Outreach Hiring Hall in March of 3032? It was challenged, but the source was found and I just put it into the pertinent articles. Frabby (talk) 06:45, 5 November 2021 (EDT)

correct naming of Köningsberg

I changed the name to the historic name since that name is used in both, the atlas section in Historical Turning Points: Hanseatic Crusade (p.3), and all maps (p. 14,15,16,17,18), which was published in 2020. I am not sure whether this more recent source does actually supersede the statement from 2012, would leave that to you to decide. Nevertheless you are right should have mentioned a source, will do next time. Your local cartographer, 13 November 2021 — The preceding unsigned comment was posted by 184.154.220.170 (talk • contribs) 6:56, 13 November 2021‎ .

Thank you for the back-fill. If it hasn't happened already, I'll add your notes to the Notes section. The use of the historic spelling in Hanseatic Crusade does suggest that it should have priority. I'll bring it up on the Discord channel and get a consensus. Thank you for getting back to me.--Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 08:36, 14 November 2021 (EST)

You KNOW why!

And you appear to be the first person to get this more than once. Congrats.
--Talvin (talk) 18:24, 6 March 2022 (EST)

Thank you much. I appreciate the constant reminder of my overwhelming humility. --Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 11:43, 7 March 2022 (EST)

Images-as-references test case

Discord go boom, major outage. When you have a chance, discussing practical concerns at Talk:Bull Shark.— The preceding unsigned comment was posted by ‎Talvin (talk • contribs) 14:07, 8 March 2022.

Thank you! I was just coming here to ask if you were having problems (I'm notorious for having log-in issues).--Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 14:32, 8 March 2022 (EST)

Discordstatus DOT com. I don't dare drop a URL in here when I can't reach out to ask someone to unblock me. :D --Talvin (talk) 14:36, 8 March 2022 (EST)

Danke.--Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 14:38, 8 March 2022 (EST)

Bibliography spacing

Hi, Revanche. I was wondering why there should be two lines between the Bibliography instead of one. They looked the same on my desktop when I tested them but I know it's easy for different platforms to show things differently. Madness Divine (talk) 21:09, 9 June 2022 (EDT)

Hey, Madness. There "shouldn't". There's no rule, just a preference that was shared with me on another wiki: it makes no difference to the reader, but it helps (albeit slightly) to the editor, a bit of separation between the readable content and the wiki-code (of categorization). It's a bit like putting spaces after bullets and their bullet items or like the space after the indent at the beginning of this response. I was convinced it made things a wee bit easier for other editors and now do it out of habit. There's no need for you to adopt it. Good question. --Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 11:09, 10 June 2022 (EDT)

Thanks. Always nice to know the logic behind something. Madness Divine (talk) 20:29, 10 June 2022 (EDT)

Complete concurrence. --Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 08:45, 11 June 2022 (EDT)

Nominee for a Sarna's Most Wanted

I nominate Operation DIVINE INTERVENTION to be Sarna's Most Wanted in some future week. I realize that something with five redlinks would not normally take that coveted spot, but it's an important event in the universe's history. Related: this would solve a problem I discuss further at Talk:2827. --Talvin (talk) 10:14, 20 June 2022 (EDT)

Sure, I'm fine with doing that next week.--Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 10:47, 20 June 2022 (EDT)

Thanks!--Talvin (talk) 10:56, 20 June 2022 (EDT)

Composite...something.

Hey, you may have noticed I occasionally come along behind your current project and fix links that are pointing to a redirect, like switching [[Primitive Engine]] to [[Primitive engine]]. Are you planning to do anything with this: Special:WhatLinksHere/Composite_Internal_Structure ? Five redirects, and which should be the "true" name is a mystery to me. If you can figure that one out, I'll be happy to deal with the links.--Talvin (talk) 20:06, 28 June 2022 (EDT)

Yes, I am (and you're the first to notice my new white whale), but the "when" is debatable. There are so many items that are treated like proper nouns on Sarna that are truly common, and it has completely infested articles, even outside of wikilinks. "Composite Internal Structure" is a fine example and should really be "composite internal structure" (or "Composite internal structure", as an article name). If you want to follow me, be my guest; or, you can follow your own path and see where it takes you (like with "composite internal structure"). I'd be glad to collaborate with you, regardless.

To answer your question (and off the top of my head):

• Good-to-stay, but directed to "Composite internal structure":
  • Composite
  • Composite chassis
  • Composite structure
• Redirect (actual) articles to de-capitalized names and then delete the improperly Capitalized Article Names:
  • Composite Chassis
  • Composite Structure

My guidance to you would be to open up the references in the main articles (that you find linked) and determine which term is the "root" one; I've even used the index of a rulebook as guidance. Then, open your mind and accept common abbreviations as redirects, especially those that are used in canon lore/rules (see Special:WhatLinksHere/Extralight_fusion_engine); on the opposite side, outright deny some, such as that capitalize the First Letter of each word in a common name or abbreviate with periods (ex: I.C.E.).

My first goal was to properly redirect each common noun in the Fury (Combat Vehicle) article, but I've got distracted by fixing all engines. I'll probably return to the vehicle article when I'm done with this "branch".

Does this help? --Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 21:26, 28 June 2022 (EDT)

I get the gist, and I will review this with fresh eyes in the morning and see what I can do. Thanks!--Talvin (talk) 21:29, 28 June 2022 (EDT)

Welcome aboard! --Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 21:30, 28 June 2022 (EDT)

BTW, I favor [['Mech bones]] but yeah, have it your way.... ;) --Talvin (talk) 21:33, 28 June 2022 (EDT)

C'est la vie (or maybe it should be "c'est des os")!--Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 21:39, 28 June 2022 (EDT)

"I'm a Doctor, not a great hulking robot anime reject!"--Talvin (talk) 09:06, 29 June 2022 (EDT)

On a second look, I am going to disagree on something you said above: '''[[Composite]]''' is too vague to be kept. As Composite internal structure points out, even the full name is often confused with Endo-Composite. I do not find anything in Technology using "composite" that is not internal structure, but it's always one new sourcebook away. I am already piping in the full name for the shortened versions when I find them, as sweat now saves tears later.--Talvin (talk) 11:12, 29 June 2022 (EDT)

Absolutely. You're the SME on the ground dealing with that particular industrial product. I can get behind that decision.--Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 11:14, 29 June 2022 (EDT)

Gauss Rifle proper name casing

I can’t help but note that the ToC in the BattleTech Master Rules, Revised Edition rulebook capitalized "Rifle" - you have thus "corrected" a direct quote from the book. Given that different spelling is used in official products, do we really need to unify a proper name casing across Sarna? Frabby (talk) 01:14, 30 June 2022 (EDT)

I don't consider the capitalizations from non-standard text—like tables of content and section headings—to be appropriate sources for writing styles. However, please feel free to jump in here for consensus building. --Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 09:44, 30 June 2022 (EDT)