Karagin
02/17/20 07:45 PM
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Puppet or new March would both give Hanse what he needs. Vanity and Revenge cloud this though. I doubt the FRR would even exist beyond the CapCon falling. The Combine would go after it before the Fed-Com grabs it. And the FWL...they again MIGHT grab some CapCon worlds as things fall apart for the Capellans and some units would for sure retreat into FWL space to be absorbed or interned by the League Armed Forces, and as Ghostrider pointed out some would end up in the Periphery and those powers might get adventurous and grab a planet or two.
The FedCom would gain more from taking out the CapCon and making it a new March but as a buffer puppet state it would also keep the FWL worried about what kind of issues that change would bring to their border regions and they would then be trying to spend money and not cause internal issues outright. or they end up with civil war which would more then likely cause bigger issues then just a border crisis. Then again a simple assassination blew up the power key of Europe in 1914, so this could be the trigger for a Marik Civil War.
Karagin
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Requiem
02/17/20 08:44 PM
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Puppet or new March would both give Hanse what he needs.
Errrr No, …..A puppet can still say no to your request, they can say I will give you “y” amount rather than the “x” amount you requested; Whereas with a March you have total control.
Remember killing off or harming a puppet ruler will just start a three way war – those loyal to the puppet – those against the puppet – and the F-C garrison troops in a mass battle for control over the puppet kingdom.
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Vanity and Revenge cloud this though
Not in the Hanse Davion I know.
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I doubt the FRR would even exist beyond the CapCon falling.
Then why create in the first place if you know the F-C forces could just walk over it at any time?
So the Ronin War was wrong these fighters were correct they should never have given this territory away, they should just re-take it?
ComStar is going to just love this decision – hope you don’t need any more Ghost Regiments in the Future?
PS- if you want a hypothetical on the fall of the CC please read my Rat Revival Post.
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The FedCom would gain more from taking out the CapCon and making it a new March
Correct.
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but as a buffer puppet state it would also keep the FWL worried about what kind of issues that change would bring to their border regions and they would then be trying to spend money and not cause internal issues outright. or they end up with civil war which would more then likely cause bigger issues then just a border crisis. Then again a simple assassination blew up the power key of Europe in 1914, so this could be the trigger for a Marik Civil War.
First, since when did the FS / LC now the F-C care what the FWL thought about – it is all about mass units spread along key border worlds so as to demonstrate strength in defense and attack. Not who’s sitting on a puppet throne.
Second, Civil War – the war is more likely to occur within a puppet regime – the key is to keep it spilling over onto your territory because you harbored ex CC military expats who are now using your worlds to launch strikes from – and as such invite a counter attack by the any of the other forces engaged in this chaotic melee.
Assassination 1914 – First all the powers were looking for a war, Second consider all the treaties involved at that era as well as the idea of imperialism and nationalism.
Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria-Hungry is assassinated by a Serbian June 28, 1914 – Austria declares War on Serbia July 28 – August 1 Austria’s ally Germany declares war on Russia, an ally of Surbia – August 3 Germany declares war on France, an ally of Russia and invades Belgium – August 4 Great Britain an ally of France declares War against Germany (and as such the entire Commonwealth comes to the aid of Great Britain)
… and as such we have WW1.
Bit of a different situation than that of the IS 3039.
Get thee to Coventry … Now is the winter of our discontent, made glorious by this daughter of Tharkad … Our army shall march through. Well to New Avalon tonight.
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Karagin
02/17/20 09:05 PM
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Errr...Yes. A puppet or March is a win for Hanse since its an enemy is gone, the realm added to and peace on one front for the foreseeable future.
And no, the situations are not different. The FWL is held together by a thin thread. And we all saw how easy that thread fell apart once the fake Marik (who was doing a better job than whole damn family had been) was exposed, imagine the mess of things if the CapCon falls. The League doesn't at least grab some worlds and then imagine the mess of things when they have a three sides of their border and their nearest ally ON the other side of FedCom controlled space and one who has in the past been more then willing to ignore you. Pretty sure the petty lords and ladies inside the League will be a bit shall we say pissed off and more than ready to express that anger to old Thomas and given that the League ALREADY (note that word) has internal issues from right before the 4th War up to the second of the period we are talking about. They don't have their allies of the WoB at this point either, so that would indeed be looking their worse nightmare come to life and dare say we would see the League fracture at this point because we all know the FedComs would be doing their darndest to help keep things unstable and whispering things in the right ears.
And POOF one attempt on a Marik's life that is successful and or appears to be successful and just like the ArchDuke in 1914 the League is at war with itself pretty quick.
Karagin
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Requiem
02/17/20 10:27 PM
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Errr...Yes. A puppet or March is a win for Hanse since its an enemy is gone, the realm added to and peace on one front for the foreseeable future.
Errrr No …. What will happen when the former CC state, who’s government was appointed by – and in all likelihood are Justin Allard and Candace Liao - by Hanse and whose affairs are directed by Hanse, says NO.
Remember Justin is the son of one of Hanse’s closest friends and a person Hanse used to undermine the CC (very strong and intelligent character) and Candice, she is also a very strong willed and intelligent individual, being a Liao – do you really believe that Hanse can control these two, let alone their children?
So what can Hanse do – impose an economic embargo? Or how about he decides to send in the troops, then what?
Remember a Puppet state is still an independent state even though it is technically being controlled by Hanse and the F-C – one wrong move and they could go independent once more - they definitely have the intelligence as well as the drive to pull it off.
so, would anyone trust this area of space and all the military infrastructures to these two very strong willed and highly intelligent individuals – can you really trust them, and their children etc., to remain loyal to the F-C when they are a puppet state?
To really maintain control of this area of space for the F-C there is but one solution - absorb it and assign a new Steiner-Davion Duke.
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imagine the mess of things if the CapCon falls
Yes I can, and this is why the former realm should become a part of the F-C – removing the former CC from the IS for all time (or at least a very long time).
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…. The FWL Response …..
First, how many know about the existence of the Master, aka the Real Thomas Marik?
Second, the Fake Thomas Marik is doing a great job, I can see him taking important border worlds off of the deteriorating CC at the same time as entering into a non aggression agreement with the F-C during this period. But can you see the fake Thomas going to war with the F-C over the remnants of the CC, I can’t. They are totally out classed at this point in time.
Third, at this point in time (3039) the WoB do not exist – ComStar is still whole. So will this former Acolyte of ComStar request an audience with the First Circuit? Highly doubtful as by this stage he has gone rogue and is off doing his own thing …
Question: so how did ComStar’s puppet, the fake Thomas Marik, work out for them?
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indeed be looking their worse nightmare come to life and dare say we would see the League fracture at this point because we all know the FedComs would be doing their darndest to help keep things unstable and whispering things in the right ears.
(Nt. Isis Marik Born 3034 – Victor Steiner Davion Born 3030 – This War 3039 – Victor is 9 and Isis is 5)
Fourth, with the FWL becoming unsure as to their future what would happen if the F-C offered a marriage between Victor and Isis. Not only would it stabilize relations between the two realms it would also give the fake Thomas the time he needs to work at a solution . Plus how many Lords and Ladies within the FWL would see this as a good thing – they could get back to doing what is important, accumulating wealth without a war in the foreseeable future?
In my opinion this is a more plausible scenario.
Get thee to Coventry … Now is the winter of our discontent, made glorious by this daughter of Tharkad … Our army shall march through. Well to New Avalon tonight.
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