What are the unseen???

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NathanKell
04/30/02 07:57 PM
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{Arm tear ducks. Cry when ready}

From the rec.games.mecha BT FAQ:

In reply to:

3.) What's the story with FASA and lawsuits about their 'Mech designs,
anyway? (Or: What happened to the "banned" (they are /not/ banned)
'Mechs????) Note: The (more or less) "official" title here on the
newsgroup for these 'Mechs is the Unseen 29(or just the Unseen),
courtesy of Hugh Browne.

The Unseen 29 are:
Locust, Stinger, Wasp, Valkyrie, Ostscout, Phoenix Hawk, Shadow Hawk,
Griffin, Wolverine, Thunder Bolt, Ostroc, Ostsol, Rifleman, Crusader,
Archer, Warhammer, Marauder, BattleMaster, Marauder II, Goliath,
Scorpion, Locust IIC, Phoenix Hawk IIC, Griffin IIC, Shadow Hawk IIC,
Rifleman IIC, Warhammer IIC, the "original" Longbow, and the Marauder
IIC.

Additionally, it appears that the Galleon Tank and Samurai Aerospace
fighter have gone the way of the Unseen as well.

[Ken’ note: No great loss there.]

Note: They are discontinued. That means the art is no longer
produced by FASA (see below for why). They are /not/ banned!!! You
can still play in tournaments with them as official 'Mechs and their
record sheets are available in the Record Sheets Books (FASA
#1694-1696).

[Ken’ note: For those who need it repeated, they are not banned and
may be used at Tournaments. Just keep an eye on your minis,
especially if I’m around.]

The reason for their discontinuation is a rather long story, and there
is a great deal of speculation as to the exact facts of the situation.
Since the lawsuit was settled, none of the participants have disclosed
anything about it. For now, though, the 'Mechs above will simply not
be pictured, though they and their miniatures are perfectly legal for
tournament play.

The only people who really know the whole complete and true story are
FASA and Harmony Gold, and neither of them are talking. Honestly,
we’ve just accepted it. It really is a dead horse to most people.




However, they seem to be having at least a *textual* renaissance with FanPro--ISTR the new record sheets book includes upgrades to many of the unseen--in stark contrast to FASA's Speak-no-unseen, see-no-unseen, etc. policy.
-NathanKell, BT Space Wars
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Cheapbuzz
04/30/02 08:09 PM
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LOL.....
NathanKell
05/01/02 12:33 AM
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My pleasure.
-NathanKell, BT Space Wars
Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear.
Thomas Jefferson
MacLeod
06/17/02 02:31 PM
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It was a problem with Robotech. FASA ripped several designs right from the series, only changing names and weapons, not the appearance. The Marauder was originally a Zentradi Officer's Pod, the Archer was a Destroid known as the Gladiator, the Warhammer was the Excaliber, the Longbow(original) was the Spartan, etc. etc. etc. Definately not one of their smarter ideas.
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... and whoever heard of a drug that causes pancreatic cancer?
NathanKell
06/17/02 07:22 PM
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Of course, they had a license for it... (from the original creators of Macross, from which 1/3 of Robotech was drawn).
Harmony Gold sued them anyway.
{This is all IIRC.}
-NathanKell, BT Space Wars
Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear.
Thomas Jefferson
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