Askhati
05/05/07 09:51 AM
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Something I was thinking of, for a scenario where a military/ para-military faction had to rely on guerilla tactics to harass an entrenched and/or occupying enemy. Since logistics are a VERY important part of any operation, and since BattleMechs were designed to be able to go where conventional vehicles could not, the logical question was: how would the supply train keep up with the BattleMechs? So I thought that, given the fact that we already have this like AgroMechs and MiningMechs, a CargoMech to carry supplies would not be too improbable. In fact, it made alot more sense to me than any of the afore-mentioned designs, but let us not nit-pick...
The Muler-40 can carry 20 tons of cargo, and has a single small laser for point defense. It has a military-rated fusion power unit (since it will be operating with military units most of the time), but utilizes composite internal structure and a small cockpit to save weight.
Code:
M40C-A Muler-40 CargoMech
Chassis: Unknown
Power Plant: Unknown 160
Cruising Speed: 43
Maximum Speed: 64.5
Jump Jets: none
Jump Capacity: none
Armor: Unknown
Armament:
1 ER Small Laser
Manufacturer: Unknown
Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown
M40C-A Muler-40 CargoMech
Technology Base: - Inner Sphere - Level 3 (Utility Mech)
Equipment Mass
Internal Structure: - Composite 4
Engine: 160 6
Walking MP: 4
Running MP: 6
Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks: 10 0
Gyro: 2
Cockpit: - Small 2
Armor Factor: 88 5.5
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Head 3 9
Center Torso 12 12
Center Torso(rear) 5
R/L Torso 10 10
R/L Torso(rear) 5
R/L Arm 10 8
R/L Leg 10 8
Weapons and Ammo Location Critical Tonnage
Cargo Pod LT 10 10
Cargo Pod RT 10 10
ER Small Laser H 1 0.5
Any comments?
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Edited by Askhati_Sonix (05/05/07 09:53 AM)
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Cray
05/05/07 09:59 AM
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I like every aspect of this concept. It seems like a very wise idea.
However, I have to be a buzzkill: to carry cargo, the 'mech has to be a workmech. To be a workmech, it must have the workmech internal structure, which is double normal internal structure weight. That means the composite IS is out.
The small cockpit is fine, though. Workmechs have an option for limited cockpit, IIRC.
Mike Miller, Materials Engineer
Disclaimer: Anything stated in this post is unofficial and non-canon unless directly quoted from a published book. Random internet musings of a BattleTech writer are not canon.
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Askhati
05/05/07 07:11 PM
41.208.48.64
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Funny - the Drawing Board allows you to pick composite IS when designing a WorkMech. I thought the WorkMech designation just gave certain prerequisites, instead of creating a new type of IS?
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Cray
05/05/07 07:33 PM
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Quote:
Funny - the Drawing Board allows you to pick composite IS when designing a WorkMech.
The Drawing Board is getting to be quite dated. AFAIK, it's last update predates TechManual by several years.
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I thought the WorkMech designation just gave certain prerequisites, instead of creating a new type of IS?
Nope. It uses a whole new IS. Things were a bit fuzzy with MaxTech's take on workmechs, but TechManual was written to leave no doubt about the difference.
Mike Miller, Materials Engineer
Disclaimer: Anything stated in this post is unofficial and non-canon unless directly quoted from a published book. Random internet musings of a BattleTech writer are not canon.
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Karagin
05/05/07 07:37 PM
24.26.220.4
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Overall though his idea is a lot better then some the ones that are official.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Cray
05/05/07 07:42 PM
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Quote:
Overall though his idea is a lot better then some the ones that are official.
Yes. As I said before, a lot of them seem to be the product of a mech-happy society rather than pressing economic need.
Mike Miller, Materials Engineer
Disclaimer: Anything stated in this post is unofficial and non-canon unless directly quoted from a published book. Random internet musings of a BattleTech writer are not canon.
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Askhati
05/07/07 05:26 AM
155.232.128.10
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I revised the Muler with the rules Cray posted, would appreciate it if someone could just verify it for me.
Code:
M40C-A Muler-40 CargoMech
Chassis: Quad
Weight: 40 ton
Power Plant: Standard Fusion 120
Cruising Speed: 30.0
Maximum Speed: 50.0
Jump Jets: none
Jump Capacity: none
Armor: Commercial
Armament:
1 ER Small Laser
Manufacturer: Unknown
Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown
M40C-A Muler-40 CargoMech
Technology Base: - Inner Sphere - Level 3 (Utility Mech)
Equipment Mass
Internal Structure: Industrial 8
Engine: 120 4
Walking MP: 3
Running MP: 5
Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks: 10 0
Gyro: Standard 2
Cockpit: - Small (military rated) 2
Armor Factor: 84 3.5
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Head 3 6
Center Torso 12 16
Center Torso(rear) 4
R/L Torso 10 10
R/L Torso(rear) 3
R/L Front Leg 10 8
R/L Rear Leg 10 8
Weapons and Ammo Location Critical Tonnage
Cargo Pod LT 10 10
Cargo Pod RT 10 10
ER Small Laser H 1 0.5
Evolve or DIE!
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Karagin
05/07/07 06:22 AM
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It's decent. Your's has a role and purpose that isn't grounded in being a odd ball jury rigged machine converted to a combat unit just because it was handy. This is something the Houses would use and would more then likely have for some units or at least for units that are operating in terrain that hinders vehicles.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Askhati
05/09/07 02:46 AM
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Okay, since Small cockpits are not legal, I guess that would mean a Standard WorkMech cockpit instead and one less ton of cargo in one of the side torsos.
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Tripod
05/09/07 08:10 PM
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at that point the only thing making it level 3 is the ER Small...hmm...
TBA
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Askhati
05/10/07 04:46 AM
155.232.128.10
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I thought the ER weaponry were level 2?
Anyway, it could be swapped out for a normal small laser, or a light MG with a quarter ton of ammo.
Evolve or DIE!
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Karagin
05/10/07 06:31 AM
24.26.220.4
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Unless you used Clan ER weapons instead of IS ER weapons then it would be level 3. But other wise you are correct IS ER weapons are Level 2.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Tripod
05/11/07 11:51 AM
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unless they changed somehting, the only level 2 IS ER Laser is the ER Large, they have all 3 Pulse, but only one ER. things change though, can someone clarify?
TBA
Edited by Tripod (05/11/07 11:56 AM)
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Karagin
05/12/07 12:56 PM
24.26.220.4
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They have changed things, the IS has ER meds and smalls now all at level 2.
If it's possible you guys need to get Battletech Master Rules Revised and Heavy Metal Pro for mech building.
So to recap the IS has ER LL, ER ML, ER SL, as well as their pathic pulse lasers.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Askhati
05/12/07 05:35 PM
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I have BMR-R, TDB, and the new Tech Manual is on it's way. Some things were just a tad unlcear to me.
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Karagin
05/12/07 11:30 PM
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The Drawing Board is outdated, it hasn't been update to include a lot of the new stuff the IS or Clans have. So you may want to get Heavy Metal Programs so you have the current and official building programs.
And if you have BMR-R then you know the IS had ER Medium and ER Smalls. They are in there.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Tripod
05/16/07 06:44 AM
192.94.94.105
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what about streak 4 and 6 as IS level 2? and other ultra and lbx ac's?
TBA
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Karagin
05/16/07 08:59 PM
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Yes all of that is level 2 for the IS...you really need to get some of the newer books...and BMR-R is a good start as would be getting the Total Warfare rule book and the Tech Manual Rule book.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Tripod
05/18/07 03:45 AM
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so... what is the explination as to why non of these weapons appear in the 3050/3055 readouts? is that time period level 1.5 tech? lol, j/k or were the houses secretly holding back weaponry from the public eye? : )
TBA
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Karagin
05/18/07 06:28 AM
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The weapons came out after 3055. The IS got a lot of help from the Dragoons and more info out of the Helm Memory Core as well as getting the chance to reverse engineer Clan tech.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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