Karagin
02/16/10 11:36 AM
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SSW IS NOT THE OFFICIAL SOFTWARE, telling folks to go use is not giving them the correct info.
The add in weapons are straight from the books, the BV and the rest are correct and canon.
Moderators are NOT official spokesperson for CBT or Battletech, I find it very odd that you believe other wise.
HMP is a site based around the HMP program, so why would it entertain other programs? Really do you read what you post?
You know for a fact Rick hasn't done anything? You have inside information that he has not done one bit on HMP6?
Why don't take your comments over to the HMP site and post them, I am sure Rick would like to know what he is and is not doing. Seriously what is your beef against Heavy Metal Pro? It is far easier to use then SSW or TDB. It is and will be the official software, it has decent support, a very helpful forum and folks who will go out of their way to help new users get the hang of the program, I haven't seen that with SSW.
So why don't you take your beef with Rick and HMP to Rick and let him know how you feel, other wise all you are doing is bashing the man because you aren't happy that you don't have a new toy. When in fact you can add the weapons in with the correct BV and the other items like, small cockpits, Heavy Ferro, etc...are there already and have been for a long time.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Prince_of_Darkness
02/16/10 01:34 PM
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SSW IS NOT THE OFFICIAL SOFTWARE, telling folks to go use is not giving them the correct info.
I never said it was the official software; I'm just suggesting it.
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The add in weapons are straight from the books, the BV and the rest are correct and canon.
Except HMP runs on BV1.0, which isn't the present system (2.0). I never said it was not canon or completely incorrect- it's just that HMP has severe limitations. Look at MML's and how they had to add their ammunition, for instance.
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Moderators are NOT official spokesperson for CBT or Battletech, I find it very odd that you believe other wise.
I never said that they were; I was just saying that they do.
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HMP is a site based around the HMP program, so why would it entertain other programs?
Don't you find it irritating that you have to buy a program just to post your designs on one forum? Sure, twenty bucks isn't too much to some, but that will still turn a lot of people off from joining. Really, if you ask me, it's like someone charging people money just to talk to them. And what does "entertain" mean here? don't you mean "use"?
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Really do you read what you post?
I could ask the same of you. You sound like some Xbawks 360/Playstation fanboy. Do you really want to sound like some fanboy?
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You know for a fact Rick hasn't done anything? You have inside information that he has not done one bit on HMP6?
I never said he hasn't done anything; I just said that he hasn't shown anything of him getting it done. Face it Karagin; the most we know of HMP 6 is that Rick keeps saying it's coming out. He's never shown anyone how far he's gotten.
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Why don't take your comments over to the HMP site and post them, I am sure Rick would like to know what he is and is not doing. Seriously what is your beef against Heavy Metal Pro?
I tried that, actually. He hasn't replied to my PM's on the CBT board. And my "beef" is just that I don't like how he drags along his fanbase with promises of greatness, and yet never shows his progress to anyone else while there are better alternatives. SSW is my better alternative, and I was suggesting it to the new guy, since he asked.
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It is far easier to use then SSW or TDB.
Since SSW has listed everything, provides the ability to export the files to many different formats (including txt, Megamek, TBD, and HMP) and runs in java, how is it not easier to use? Do you have proof?
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It is and will be the official software, it has decent support, a very helpful forum and folks who will go out of their way to help new users get the hang of the program, I haven't seen that with SSW.
Since it is only "up to date" in the sense that it's fans added the new weapons, and has no updates to the old rules system, BV system, and still has bugs that have been present from over 5 years ago, it cannot have decent support. Because we have not seen any proof of Version 6's existence, I doubt it would "remain" the "official" software; but that is, of course, saying that he never releases it. Finally, there are massive, stickied threads for help for SSW, which are easily found on the Classic Battletech boards AND the Solaris 7 boards, and presently Justin has begun helping Captain Brandt on Solaris7 to get it to work on his computer (which I find odd, since all SSW needs is the up-to-date version of Java). Once I get home, I will provide links.
To put it simply, your entire statement there has no basis.
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So why don't you take your beef with Rick and HMP to Rick and let him know how you feel, other wise all you are doing is bashing the man because you aren't happy that you don't have a new toy.
Why would I be unhappy if I am perfectly fine using SSW? It's pretty obvious I prefer it.
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When in fact you can add the weapons in with the correct BV and the other items like, small cockpits, Heavy Ferro, etc...are there already and have been for a long time.
I already talked about BV 2.0 issues above, so this comment is null.
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Zandel_Corrin
02/16/10 06:14 PM
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Ok so i know of and have used TDB (the drawing board), looking into but never bought HMP (heavy metal pro) but what is this SSW?
Galaxy Commander
Zandel Corrin
Night Dragon Clan
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Prince_of_Darkness
02/16/10 07:39 PM
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Ok so i know of and have used TDB (the drawing board), looking into but never bought HMP (heavy metal pro) but what is this SSW?
Solaris Skunk Werks. It's a free java-based battlemech designer made by Justin Bengston (aka LostInSpace) which is the most up-to-date so far. It has the abilities to export the 'mech to most file types (txt, HTML, Megamek, Card, HMP) has most of the published equipment uploaded, and can even give Battleforce stats.
Here's the homepage:
http://www.solarisskunkwerks.com/
He's also working on a vehicle designer 
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Zandel_Corrin
02/16/10 09:12 PM
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Nice... can you add your own custom equipment to this program?
Galaxy Commander
Zandel Corrin
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Karagin
02/17/10 12:06 AM
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You can your own custom equipment in Heavy Metal Programs and the Heavy Metal stuff is the official 100% canon design programs. The other stuff is third party and not endorsed or support by anyone in charge of Battletech.
I would suggest getting the HM products, they are worth the money spent and you have the support of an entire group of people to help you out. Plus the added benefit of being able to add in custom weapons or electronics means you can get more out of things.
Each program offers different things, like HMAero, you can in custom armor and engines. If HMVee you can add in things like smoke discharger and give the weights you want them to be.
Just some examples. I high recommend them, and also suggest joining the HMP forums, there you have a great group of folks who have done some amazing things with the program and will be more then happy to help you out. And the price is not that out there $15-25 dollars max depending what program you get, I believe HMAero is the one that runs $25, been a while since I priced them, but go to the website: www.heavymetalpro.com and check it out, it is worth the money spent.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Zandel_Corrin
02/17/10 01:16 AM
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thanks for the feedback.. i will check these forums out... i assume they allow lurkers?
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CYBRN4CR
02/17/10 02:20 AM
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Just tested out SSW.
*_*
I LOVE IT! It's got all the cool stuff from Tac Ops that I use! WAY better than my ancient TDB!
Sorry, Karagin. Not only are the HM forums not letting me activate my account for some strange reason, but the competition won me over faster. I guess the official realm of Battletech was never meant for me. 
Thanks Prince! 
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Karagin
02/17/10 02:45 AM
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You can brows without joining or join and just read and never post...it is up to you.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Karagin
02/17/10 02:47 AM
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What ever. Just be aware you are using a program that is not official nor supported by the company.
And I don't see how you are not being allowed to register at HMP, did you follow all of the direction or try emailing on the moderators or admin? They can help you get signed up.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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CYBRN4CR
02/17/10 03:09 AM
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I registered and had all the proper info set, but no activation email was sent to me. I even sent a few automated requests to resend the activation email, checking to make sure the email is correct, but I still get nothing. Unless it takes a while for this to happen, there is something critically wrong there.
All attempts to log in normally, say that my account is inactive. But that's where I'm at. I haven't emailed the admins yet about the issue.
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Karagin
02/17/10 03:32 AM
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Maybe you should email the admin, also check your spam folder, email programs are famous for thinking for people and put things into the spam folder just because of single word or combo of words.
I do find it odd that just because you didn't get instant approval you want to write off the whole thing.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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Prince_of_Darkness
02/17/10 10:56 AM
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thanks for the feedback.. i will check these forums out... i assume they allow lurkers?
Yep. We have a ton of people who browse Solaris 7 and never post, and ClassicBattletech.com even more so.
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Just tested out SSW.
*_*
I LOVE IT! It's got all the cool stuff from Tac Ops that I use! WAY better than my ancient TDB!
Sorry, Karagin. Not only are the HM forums not letting me activate my account for some strange reason, but the competition won me over faster. I guess the official realm of Battletech was never meant for me.
Thanks Prince!
Good to hear I have a satisfied customer 
It's the greatest thing about SSW; being free, you can download it to check it out and see if you like it without issue.
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What ever. Just be aware you are using a program that is not official nor supported by the company.
So? 7zip isn't owned by any company or is it official, and yet I use it to unzip stuff I download all the time. Just because it doesn't have some "offical" backing doesn't make it useless; look at Linux, for example.
Face it, Karagin; you are grasping at straws to try and prove I'm wrong.
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And I don't see how you are not being allowed to register at HMP, did you follow all of the direction or try emailing on the moderators or admin? They can help you get signed up.
I was about to say the same thing. You might also want to try giving yourself some time, in case the e-mailing is slow.
Does your computer have an e-mail blocker (like, are you accessing this through a work/school computer)? If so, you might have a problem there.
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Zandel_Corrin
02/17/10 05:24 PM
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/agree
I use 7zip all the time as well, won't go back to anything else and i've found a lot of other software like that. Free doesn't always mean bad.
Also having looked at HMP now it does have a hefty price tag if you want to design more than just mechs... Heavy Metal Plus (Pro, Vee and light) comes in at $55 and you need Aero to do fighters and stuff so that's another 30 odd.
Must admit the programs look very nice and the new map maker sounds great but i'm not entirely convinced yet.
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Karagin
02/18/10 12:32 AM
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Okay and you would be spending that much on a single rule book or sourcebook, the programs give you, for their price, a large range of abilites. There are more to them then just making mechs or vehicles etc...Rick has put a lot of extras into them. You can including fluff text, you can give the weapons and comments actual names of who makes them etc...for some this is not a big deal for others it is.
Then with the HM programs you can do up Battleforce rosters, you can setup whole units at random letting the program pick for you. The BV, contrary to some claims around here, IS up to date, and Rick even set things up so you can see the old BV as well as the new, so the change is there if you want to see.
The program also let's you have a pilot roster, actually all of the HM products have that. Add in the custom weapons ability, again all of them have it and you can see that there is a lot to offer for the price asked, and you can buy all of them in HMPlus, all but the BA program for a lesser price then buying the all seperate. Explore the site over there more, ask questions, I am sure the folks will help you.
And while free is excellent, in this case the program is a third parties attempt to get something now, verses waiting for the finalized product, Rick is not happy that HMP6 is not out all ready. Yet real life, you know the part means going to work, dealing with family passing way, illness, yeah that stuff can put a crimp in any set of plans. For example, I am in Germany, why? Army sent me here, did I want to go? No, had no plans for this trip, but I am here, have to deal with it.
With the HM programs, you get support, Rick is really good at answering questions and folks on the site will help you get through tech problems with the program. I don't see any support for any of the third party design programs and none of them are official, thus the vaunted tournament play that 70% of the folks are so stoked about having means none of the mechs made in SSW or TDB or any other designer can be used, so for some they offer nothing beyond a novelty factor.
But for a smaller group, who want everything now I guess having something like SSW means more then waiting for a finished product that has friendlier format for the users, you don't loses all of your older files, did I mention Rick is big on not having folks have to re-enter everything, his files work with each update and upgrade for each program. HM series of programs offers a lot, it is sad that folks can not simply wait until the next version is done and add the weapons and their BV in via the customs weapons editor that again comes with the program.
But each has to go with what they feel is best for them, I will stick with the HM programs, if you don't buy them that is fine as well.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
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CYBRN4CR
02/18/10 04:03 AM
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Alright guys, thanks for your input, but I think it's time this conversation had its own thread in the General Discussion.
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Prince_of_Darkness
02/18/10 05:03 PM
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Okay and you would be spending that much on a single rule book or sourcebook, the programs give you, for their price, a large range of abilites. There are more to them then just making mechs or vehicles etc...Rick has put a lot of extras into them. You can including fluff text, you can give the weapons and comments actual names of who makes them etc...for some this is not a big deal for others it is.
You can do the same thing in SSW. And i'd rather not spend 20 bucks on something I cannot return if I don't like it.
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Then with the HM programs you can do up Battleforce rosters, you can setup whole units at random letting the program pick for you. The BV, contrary to some claims around here, IS up to date, and Rick even set things up so you can see the old BV as well as the new, so the change is there if you want to see.
The BV thing is the same in SSW, but I have not seen any proof that HMP has up-to-date BV. I am not knowledgeable in Battleforce, but I do know that SSW has the function.
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The program also let's you have a pilot roster, actually all of the HM products have that.
Is that like a custom pilot roster? That is probably the only thing that SSW doesn't have (for obvious reasons).
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Add in the custom weapons ability, again all of them have it and you can see that there is a lot to offer for the price asked, and you can buy all of them in HMPlus, all but the BA program for a lesser price then buying the all seperate. Explore the site over there more, ask questions, I am sure the folks will help you.
SSW has that too.
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And while free is excellent, in this case the program is a third parties attempt to get something now, verses waiting for the finalized product, Rick is not happy that HMP6 is not out all ready. Yet real life, you know the part means going to work, dealing with family passing way, illness, yeah that stuff can put a crimp in any set of plans. For example, I am in Germany, why? Army sent me here, did I want to go? No, had no plans for this trip, but I am here, have to deal with it.
What? Are you insinuating that I don't know what real life is?
Just because SSW has been put together much faster, and just because SSW is up-to-date doesn't mean that the author hasn't been constrained to Real Life. I could easily post the thread about it's construction, and you can see how much he got sidetracked by RL.
Don't imply that bullshit.
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With the HM programs, you get support, Rick is really good at answering questions and folks on the site will help you get through tech problems with the program. I don't see any support for any of the third party design programs and none of them are official, thus the vaunted tournament play that 70% of the folks are so stoked about having means none of the mechs made in SSW or TDB or any other designer can be used, so for some they offer nothing beyond a novelty factor.
And here I see how little you know of SSW. Saying all that about "support" and "questioning" makes me ask why HMP still has all those bugs, like that armor issue you talked about. Again, you are also giving some huge deal about "official" programming; Rick isn't in a business, and makes this on his own spare time, so how is it professional?
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But for a smaller group, who want everything now I guess having something like SSW means more then waiting for a finished product that has friendlier format for the users,
Oh, really now?
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you don't loses all of your older files,
Aside from your poor english (I'm a Grammar Nazi, FTW!) The first version of SSW I had was version 1.0.6 (it now 6.4.2) that only had the interductory stuff. All the files I made then, my CF-thousand series, still open fine. If you had SSW, you would know that.
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HM series of programs offers a lot, it is sad that folks can not simply wait until the next version is done and add the weapons and their BV in via the customs weapons editor that again comes with the program.
Well, then I guess its too bad that people didn't want to wait, or wanted to upgrade to a program that offered more.
To be honest, Karagin, it is extremely obvious that you have no idea what you are talking about. You are, again, grasping at straws to try and come up with effective arguments against the use of SSW; the problem is that there really isn't one. Face it, Karagin- SSW can do all the things HMP used to, and more. In fact, every argument here that you brought up I have destroyed; the only issues being Battleforce, which is something I don't know the rules to. To sum it all up:
If you had actually tried SSW, you would have not made your statements here.
I don't know why a free program has you so bent out of shape- must be fanboyism, or some form of attachment- but considering how you acted when you and Cray got into that argument about the Jihad, I have to chose to end this discussion, seeing how you never listened to reason then (and probably won't now, considering this).
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