Chunga
08/06/02 10:37 PM
24.167.247.49
|
Check out the latest update. A present for all of you from Warner.
Chunga
|
Eclipz
08/06/02 10:45 PM
66.191.27.103
|
That is awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!
|
NathanKell
08/06/02 11:38 PM
24.44.238.62
|
Woohoo!
Woohoo!
Woohoo!
-NathanKell, BT Space Wars
Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear.
Thomas Jefferson |
novakitty
08/07/02 12:18 AM
209.242.100.230
|
Not a bad way of explaining the new appearances.
So to all those who dislike any MW:DA mech design: It is the WOB's fault! Kill them!!
On further examination, the Caplleans are also to blame. As if we needed more reason to smite them.
meow
Edited by novakitty (08/07/02 12:23 AM)
|
Karagin
08/07/02 03:28 AM
63.173.170.149
|
Ok I am very impressed...now if only the Beta and other links were working...:D
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
|
Acolyte
08/07/02 03:55 AM
142.179.27.248
|
One more link per month. 
I like the designs, and the art. They don't look much like the originals (except the thunderbolt) but that's to be expected. These I will add to my collection as soon as Iron Wind puts them in my local gamestore.
And I really apreciate CBT for bringing the unseen back. 
Light a fire for a man, and you keep him warm for one night,
Light a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
Acolyte
|
Karagin
08/07/02 04:07 AM
63.173.170.149
|
Actually the Locust has that Locust look to it IMHO.
Yes it is very nice to see them back...
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
|
Acolyte
08/07/02 04:16 AM
142.179.27.248
|
Actually, you're right on that point...... I would have like the laser to be underslung, though. It also looked a lot more beefy, which I like.
Light a fire for a man, and you keep him warm for one night,
Light a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
Acolyte
|
Karagin
08/07/02 04:19 AM
63.173.170.149
|
Beefy...is not something I would have thought to hear in reference to the Locust! LOL! 
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
|
Bob_Richter
08/07/02 06:57 AM
4.35.174.250
|
It is, after all, the most heavily armored 20 tonner available.
-Bob (The Magnificent) Richter
Assertions made in this post are the humble opinion of Bob.
They are not necessarily statements of fact or decrees from God Himself, unless explicitly and seriously stated to be so.
:)
|
Karagin
08/07/02 07:41 AM
63.173.170.194
|
Because the older picture gave it that "bird like" look and feel that matched it's speed and over all fragileness.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
|
novakitty
08/07/02 09:25 AM
209.242.100.230
|
you do know that this is how they will explain the "Quarterback Atlas" and other MWDA mechs you have spoken out against?
meow
|
Karagin
08/07/02 09:29 AM
63.173.170.45
|
Atlas is not an Unseen thus there is no need to redraw it...if TPTB go that route to mix in the MWDA robots well that is up to them...and to set the record straight, I have NOT been the only one to speak out against the MWDA plastic mechs.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
|
Karagin
08/07/02 09:39 AM
63.173.170.45
|
It would be nice...best person to talk to on that would be Randal.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
|
Karagin
08/07/02 09:49 AM
63.173.170.45
|
Can't hurt...Good Luck.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
|
JadeDragon
08/07/02 11:04 AM
206.228.153.2
|
I think they all resemble the originals very well, enough to look close enough for use and different enough to not get in trouble again.
Thunderbolt does look the most like the original, but the Pheonix Hawk looks pretty darn close as well. That Marauder though sure resembles the Penetrator. And that Locust new look is sweat....
|
Nightward
08/07/02 05:37 PM
132.234.251.211
|
Wow! It's great to see the Unseen...err...Seen back in the game. They look similar to their original forms (except the Marauder, which looks like the evil twin brother of the Caesar), but I'll reserve judgement until I see the new Shadow Hawk and Wolverines.
Yea, verily. Let it be known far and wide that Nightward loathes MW: DA. Indeed, it is with the BURNING ANIMUS OF A THOUSAND SUNS that he doth rage against it with.
|
novakitty
08/07/02 05:38 PM
209.242.100.230
|
No, others have complained about them, but it does seem odd that you speak in anger against those molded in plastic, yet compliment these written on paper. I expect the two categories will merge into one (especially considering the fluff text on these remakes).
meow
|
Karagin
08/07/02 06:17 PM
65.129.165.181
|
I don't follow the connection you are making here. The Unseen being returned with new art is more important then MWDA.
IF they become clicky bases plastic toys then that is up to WK. I have NO plans on buying them that way and will hope that Iron Winds Miniatures has plans for pewter versions...
So could you please explain you point since you have LOST me on what is you were trying to tell me.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
|
Karagin
08/07/02 06:19 PM
65.129.165.181
|
Looking at the new Marauder it seems that the big changes were that they took the gun off the top of the mech and put it down in the torso and lost the NOSE that stuck out on it...so it looks squater but it still has the feel of the original I think.
And I took can't wait to see the Shadow Hawk and the Wolverine!
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
|
Karagin
08/07/02 06:43 PM
65.129.165.181
|
Excellent and over on Rick's Heavy Metal board it has been hinted at that WK is trying to put some distance between MWDA and BT and to them having click based versions of the Original mechs is not the path their marketing department wants to go and they feel it would be a step backwards.
So it seems we have our UNSEEN back and that is a major improvement.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
|
MacLeod
08/07/02 08:46 PM
206.15.3.177
|
YAAAAAAAYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I LOVE THE PHOENIX HAWK!!!!!!! 
Drugs don't kill people, pancreatic cancer kills people.
... and whoever heard of a drug that causes pancreatic cancer?
|
novakitty
08/07/02 09:32 PM
209.242.100.230
|
My line of thinking is that you (and plenty of others) were opposed to the new looks of the MWDA mechs as much as to the gameplay and size issues. Maybe the point I am trying to make is a bit more subtle that I realized, but I suspect that the same Atlas you spoke against will be in this sourcebook, as well as the SRM Black Hawk and other twists on classic and semi-classic designs.
meow
|
realworldviews
08/07/02 10:33 PM
24.98.65.7
|
Those will be opening up in time, they would never let something this big out all at one time.
Colonel Brian Davis
Gamers United
"Dreams become reality, for all who start off with a dream"
|
realworldviews
08/07/02 10:39 PM
24.98.65.7
|
I just think that the plastic MWDA mechs just look BAD. With the increase of size they should have been able to make them look better.
Colonel Brian Davis
Gamers United
"Dreams become reality, for all who start off with a dream"
|
BroCaptMaximus
08/07/02 10:43 PM
24.241.176.26
|
Those are absolutely awesome!!!! I really like the new look of the Marauder; and the T-bolt looks sweet as well. I'm really looking forward to seeing what the new Warhammer and Archer look like.
|
BroCaptMaximus
08/07/02 10:50 PM
24.241.176.26
|
The MWDA mechs look very childish/cartoonish when compared to the mechs of CBT. The mechs from "classic" look more realistic, or at least as realistic as a 10 meter tall walking tank from the 31st century can.
All the mechs for MWDA I've seen have exagerated features that look retarded. Such as the huge missile packs on the Black Hawk, the "hatchet" that is as big as the Hatchetman, and those butt-ugly spikey pads on the Atlas (And that big round head on the Atlas too).
In comparison the "new" 'Unseen" mechs look positively awesome.
|
Spartan
08/08/02 03:01 PM
172.140.162.30
|
At last they're back!!! The unseens are my all time favorites(for the most part) and I love that they're back. I'm a little sad that they had to be redrawn but given the circumstances I understand and will definately buy them all.
Besides the ones already mentioned, which ones are also coming back? All of them, most of them, the most popular? I'd like to see them all come back including even the quad unseens. (But not the Ost variants, those are the only unseens I don't like)
Spartan
We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty.
(I refer you to what Nightward said)
|
MacLeod
08/08/02 03:14 PM
64.156.230.136
|
Dude, I think they're all gonna come back! You're right, the Ost series is garbage... but the new Warhammer is gonna be sweet...
Drugs don't kill people, pancreatic cancer kills people.
... and whoever heard of a drug that causes pancreatic cancer?
|
ChalengerII
08/08/02 04:11 PM
62.254.0.4
|
Very nice
Might just have to use a few of these. If only cause they look cool.
|
Spartan
08/08/02 05:41 PM
172.168.169.170
|
This is great! I haven't been this speechless with glee since Yoda and the lightsaber and the vwing! vwing! vvvwwiiinnnggg!
Spartan
We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty.
(I refer you to what Nightward said)
|
NathanKell
08/08/02 06:11 PM
24.44.238.62
|
Whammer! Whammer! Whammer!
6D, the original Trooper!
-NathanKell, BT Space Wars
Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear.
Thomas Jefferson |
Black_Phoenix
08/08/02 06:19 PM
207.252.105.114
|
It is good to see that CBT has gotten back at Harmony "FASA can kiss our @**es" Gold. And I must admit that the new Locust looks pretty awesome. YAY!
History is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever.
-Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz
|
Greyslayer
08/08/02 10:50 PM
63.12.147.57
|
I liked the original Ostsol .... it is a damn fine piece of kit. I've taken and seen many a warhammer down with this thing. Though essentially it is a light/medium mech 'hunter'.
Greyslayer
|
MacLeod
08/08/02 11:32 PM
63.208.134.172
|
But it's so ugly...
Still, it was more useful than an Ostscout.
Drugs don't kill people, pancreatic cancer kills people.
... and whoever heard of a drug that causes pancreatic cancer?
|
KamikazeJohnson
08/08/02 11:37 PM
142.161.45.60
|
What say someone draw up these designs with TDB or HMPro and post them on the design board so we can all ooohhh and ahhhhhhh at them to our hearts' content? I'm sure we all have plenty to say about our old friends
Peace is that glorious moment in history when everyone stands around reloading.
--Thomas Jefferson
|
Greyslayer
08/09/02 12:22 AM
63.12.147.57
|
You obviously never played with deliberate skids allowed when the ostscout is in the game
The ostsol isn't a bad looking mini. Especially the panel word on the figure. Certainly better than the later mechs released by Fasa and Ral Partha.
Greyslayer
|
KamikazeJohnson
08/09/02 12:29 AM
142.161.45.60
|
I just did up the 4 new designs on TDB, and noticed a couple errors printed on the CBT page:
1) the Phoenix Hawk is over-armoured. It carries 8 tons Stealth armour (128 points, as stated), but the detailed armour distribution adds up to 132, and places more than the legal max on the CT
2) the Marauder does not use Endo Steel as indicated in the readout at the bottom. If you go by the listed details, you end up short 8 crits, and only 71.5 tons!
I'll post them on the designs board shortly.
Peace is that glorious moment in history when everyone stands around reloading.
--Thomas Jefferson
|
MacLeod
08/09/02 12:36 AM
63.208.134.172
|
Hmm... might that be the result of FASA striking back from beyond the grave?
Drugs don't kill people, pancreatic cancer kills people.
... and whoever heard of a drug that causes pancreatic cancer?
|
Bob_Richter
08/09/02 03:21 AM
4.35.174.250
|
1) The PXH-4L's armor values are indeed incorrect. I'll bring it up with someone. Since low head armor is a Phoenix Hawk "Feature", I'd drop the head armor to 6 and the rear CT armor to 5, this makes it legal, though I'm not sure if it's correct.
2) You're right, it doesn't. That would be why it's listed at the full mass. I'll bring it up with someone.
-Bob (The Magnificent) Richter
Assertions made in this post are the humble opinion of Bob.
They are not necessarily statements of fact or decrees from God Himself, unless explicitly and seriously stated to be so.
:)
|
Acolyte
08/10/02 06:24 AM
142.179.27.248
|
They certainly won't be in my universe. Barring severe head injury, of course.
Light a fire for a man, and you keep him warm for one night,
Light a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
Acolyte
|
Cheapbuzz
08/10/02 09:35 AM
165.76.25.18
|
They call that thing a Marauder..... WTF?????
|
Acolyte
08/10/02 10:12 AM
142.179.27.248
|
Yep. What that means to me is that they can now start printing fiction that has Maraders without getting sued. The new players in BT will have the mental image of the new design in thier heads, but people like me (and presumably you) will always have the old image in our minds. This also answers the question of what Grayson Death Carlyle, Cat Wilson (from the Kell Hounds), the Bounty Hunter, and numerous other people will be piloting in the new fiction. No changing of 'Mechs nessesary.
The new mini's coming out become my designs. I have a 65 ton level 1 design with 2 large lasers, 2 med lasers and a PPC over the shoulder that, being my design, I haven't had a mini for until now.
Light a fire for a man, and you keep him warm for one night,
Light a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
Acolyte
|
ChalengerII
08/10/02 02:11 PM
62.254.0.4
|
Anyone else modified the thunderbolt by dropping 1 ton of LRM ammo and instaling ArtemisIV
|
PeterSmith
08/11/02 08:56 PM
67.37.184.47
|
Uh. The new designs are already up.
Go out and take a look in RS3067.
The new images are being derived from the designs in there.
Peter Smith
Power corrupts. Absolute power is kinda neat.
|
Countergod
08/20/02 11:59 AM
128.165.156.80
|
I can understand why they are changing the looks of Locust, Maurader, Weenie (Phoenix) Hawk (I didn't like the 3025 version, too much heat), etc. They had problems with lawsuits. Why are they going to change the others, like the Archer and Bmaster? I don't remember seeing them in the lawsuits? And frankly, I dont see why everyone is so excited about this, given the fact that the lawsuit says that they will not publish anymore TRO's with the mechs mentioned in the lawsuit. They are still tourney legal, and I have 5 (read that, five) mini's of all the lawsuit ones (one for each house). What's the big deal?
***Chemistry is like art. One wrong move can really ruin your day!***
To: All other empire leaders
From: Maj. NevLord Madman (Mad Man's Marauders [STB] )
Subject: Hi Neveron
Date Sent: 7/12/3222 12:50:00 AM
May i just point out u all suck 
Maj. NevLord Madman |
novakitty
08/20/02 12:11 PM
209.242.100.230
|
Neo-nostalgia: the act of creating something new that reminds people of something they used to like and therefore getting them to like the new thing intead of seeing it objectively.
One of the nastiest marketing methods these days
meow
|
Karagin
08/20/02 12:43 PM
63.173.170.99
|
Actually you have some incorrect info....all but a handful of the 3025 mechs were from other Anmie shows like Macross, Sun of the Fangdogurm etc...(The Archer is from Robotech and the Bmaster is from Dougrm) FASA took Playmate Toy Company to court over the Exo-Squad robots which looked a lot like some of the mechs and one looked just like the Mad Cat. They won that case. Then Harmony Gold jumped in and the case went out of control so FASA felt it was best to remove all NON-FASA drawn mechs so as to avoid the problem. The mechs as you said are still legal to use in games and tournments, it the artwork that is not allowed to be used.
The problem was a lot of the newer players had never seen the art work and had no clue as to what the mechs looked like.
Plus a lot of the fans were requesting that WK/FP get the pictures back or redraw them. So they did something about it and we have the new art work. Which is a good thing I think since it shows the older fans that they their mechs are just as important as the newer ones and it allows the new players the chance to get the older mechs without paying $30 a miniature on Ebay for the original ones. And seeing how the older miniatures are still able to be used no one is left out.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
|
Countergod
08/20/02 01:05 PM
128.165.156.80
|
I thought the Mad Cat is still in the revised edition of 3050. And as for the other mechs, I guess I only heard about the 4 (Locust, Weenie, Maruader, and Munchhammer) I didn't know that the 16 unseen were all taken out because of the lawsuit. It's really too bad that lawyers everything in the country! 
***Chemistry is like art. One wrong move can really ruin your day!***
To: All other empire leaders
From: Maj. NevLord Madman (Mad Man's Marauders [STB] )
Subject: Hi Neveron
Date Sent: 7/12/3222 12:50:00 AM
May i just point out u all suck
Maj. NevLord Madman |
Karagin
08/20/02 01:08 PM
63.173.170.99
|
The Mad Cat is because they won that lawsuit, the rest went because some did look like the Robotech mecha even though there are newier pics of them for the RPG out while all of this was going on...they pulled all of the rest like the Golitah and such to avoid anyone else suing them.
Karagin
Given time and plenty of paper, a philosopher can prove anything.
|
Durango
09/13/02 05:29 PM
65.212.106.131
|
A present from Warner!?
Thanks, man!
You ROCK...son.
|