Phantom_Limbs
12/14/03 01:25 PM
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im not really into computer games but i was wondering if there was a battletech game available that plays like the boardgame? pretty low tech stuff but would be pretty fun when you dont have anyone to duel against.
ive played other mech games, which were cool, but if i had to decide between a shooter and a hexbased strategy game, id pick the latter.
so are there any out there??
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Iceman
12/14/03 03:07 PM
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Check out Titans of Steel: Warring Suns.
http://www.matrixgames.com/Games/TitansofSteel2/
http://www.titansofsteel.de/
There are a few threads about it in this forum with more info, called Titans of Steel and Mech Force.
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Phantom_Limbs
12/14/03 05:23 PM
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looks pretty slick. have you played it? how similar are the rules to CBT?
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Phantom_Limbs
12/15/03 06:19 PM
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just found the link to MegaMek. its nice that i plays by Battletech rules, not a variation of them like Titans of Steel. i havent downloaded it yet, been trying to gather more info on it. their website is cluttered and doesnt offer much info (for some reason, the newbie intro to it was not downloading properly). does anyone here play it? id like to know more.
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tgsofgc
12/18/03 12:31 PM
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megamek is big over at battletechuniverse.org you might try over there to find people and or instructions...
I find that 'pinpoint' accuracy during a bombing run increases proportionally with the amount of munitions used.
-Commander Nathaniel Klepper,
Avanti's Angels, 3058
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Iceman
12/30/03 07:33 AM
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It's java based, and it's still under development (Open Source). It's a direct conversion of CBT, as opposed to ToS. The ToS "turn" system is very different though, much more complex and interesting. Actually, the whole ToS system is an "improvement" on BT rules, like the skill checks for example. Chassis, weapons, systems, lots of different stuff. There are 3 different modules in ToS, the Factory to build/repair Titans ('Mechs), the HQ to manage your squad and the Battlefield where you duke it out.
MM is plain old CBT, converted to PC. There are some leagues running, campaign mode in MegaMekNet. When dl'ing the files, keep in mind there are 2 different versions, the stable version (supposedly bug free), and the development version (with more stuff, but still in testing). Dev versions are released ~ every 2 weeeks now, stable versions whenever the dev version is considered stable enough.
Hope this helps.
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tgsofgc
01/01/04 04:00 AM
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Of course:
1. Mega Mek is free
2. Tos isn't
3. ToS isn't as much like battletech as some have made it out to be. I bought the game with out any demos on the hype and personally don't like it. Namely I spent a lot of money for a lot less than about 2 hrs of time.
4. Iceman is part of ToS, take this for what you want.
Personally I didn't care much for mega mek the last time i played it either, and have basically consigned myself to living with out a electronic version of Battletech.
I find that 'pinpoint' accuracy during a bombing run increases proportionally with the amount of munitions used.
-Commander Nathaniel Klepper,
Avanti's Angels, 3058
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Iceman
01/01/04 09:03 AM
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1. Yes, MM is free, and it is also still v0.29, if you know what that means 
2. BTW, there is a freeware version of ToS (v1.4), it just doesn't compare to the commercial version. The system is the same though.
3. The ToS system is similar to the Amiga's *MechForce*, which is based on BT. That's what it has "been made out to be" as you call it. It is true. A lot of money?! 2 hrs? Maybe you just don't have what it takes to play it?
4. Yep, I was involved in the process, namely as a beta tester. So I guess I know the game and its potential 
Sad for you. Keep waiting then. Maybe you'll get lucky and someone will cater up to your "high standards".
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tgsofgc
01/01/04 07:13 PM
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2. BTW, there is a freeware version of ToS (v1.4), it just doesn't compare to the commercial version. The system is the same though.
It would have been nice to know this before I purchassed the game.
As to what else you said i'll ignore it, now that I feel I have made my point and allow you to continue hyping the game.
I find that 'pinpoint' accuracy during a bombing run increases proportionally with the amount of munitions used.
-Commander Nathaniel Klepper,
Avanti's Angels, 3058
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Iceman
01/02/04 05:32 AM
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It was no secret, it was on the VB site, and on the Matrix downloads page. if you had checked, you'd probably have found it. There is a forum for the game, that's where you'll find info.
There is a LINK right in Sarna's MAIN page, to VB's page, which has a link to the forums and whatnot. Actually, that link has been there for YEARS. Also, widowmaker hyped the game in the Announcements sub-forum, and I didn't see you making a fuss out of it.
BTW, Larkin is working on a demo.
What point? I have both games.
Am I "hyping" ToS? Yep, because it is a great game. Is there anything wrong with me hyping it? Do you have a problem with it?
Oh, and thank you for "allowing" me to carry on. Erm, master, I guess?! Heh.
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Diablo
01/03/04 12:42 AM
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I've played both. TOS is a great game to play. but as everyone know, it doesn't follow Btech. MegaMek, as unstable as it can be, is Btech and is good for playing Btech. I play TOS when I bored cuz the AI's half decent. I play MegaMek when me and my distant friends want to play Btech. simple as that. I'd recomend having both for either cases.
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tgsofgc
01/03/04 02:09 AM
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If you read the forumes here you will notice it was your and widowmakers hype that got me to buy the game. See the reply where was that site again, or something like that. I am not going to go revie topics long dead to say, I bought it, not impressed.
I find that 'pinpoint' accuracy during a bombing run increases proportionally with the amount of munitions used.
-Commander Nathaniel Klepper,
Avanti's Angels, 3058
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tgsofgc
01/03/04 02:11 AM
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Good recommendation, very fair and to the point.
I find that 'pinpoint' accuracy during a bombing run increases proportionally with the amount of munitions used.
-Commander Nathaniel Klepper,
Avanti's Angels, 3058
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Iceman
01/03/04 05:46 AM
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*We* got you to buy it?! C'mon, you gotta do better than that. Nobody twisted your arm. I informed. Widowmaker corroborated. It was *your* task to investigate if it was your kind of game. Don't make excuses.
And yes, you've made your point pretty clearly already. *You* don't like it. Topic closed?
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MaddogDCD
01/03/04 10:02 PM
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In my opinion... MegaMek is as close to CBT as there is, right now. Titans of Steel is what CBT should be. I love the game and it causes me to lose sleep.  I bought it online for $25, which included two-day shipping. Even if the game had sucked, I could have made a worse investment. My squad currently has about 40-some missions under its belt, with 30 of them being duels and 10 being campaigns.
Numerous CBT rules that I dislike are fixed in TOS, more varying weapons, less munchy weapons, and the weapons balance out. The MM AI is flat out dumb. How many times have you had to chase the AI around and around and around a forest because he wouldn't engage? I really haven't seen too many numbskull actions from the TOS AI. I like the campaign feature, though, it sucks when your leader dies after a Titan decapitation. But that's part of being in a campaign.
I like how TOS has more detail; separate skills for cannon, energy, etc. while CBT only has one gunnery skill. But that's the advantage of a computer game over a pen and paper game. Damn, I'd hate having to play TOS with pen and paper!
I have found the game easy to use and understand, but maybe that's because it's so similiar to the Amiga MechForce.
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Iceman
01/04/04 06:19 AM
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This is precisely what I was trying to say when I said the system is more complex and interesting. I didn't want to go around and "hyper"-hype it not to get "attacked" for doing so. Seems it was fruitless...
A lot of effort has been put into the game to make it very deep, detailed and balanced. Yep, computer versions do have some advantages over pen&paper versions.
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tgsofgc
01/04/04 04:27 PM
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Iceman you are a very aggressive person. I simply said some of the hype mislead me and that you may not be the most impartial judge of the two games. I didn't attack you, I pointed out your connection with the game that people may not know if they are new to the board. Of your 32 posts on this board how many have to deal with ToS? I have no problem with people liking the game, but I don't rely on people involved in the creation of a game to provide fair reviews/recommendations. If you really want this topic to drop simply stop responding. You have in the last two posts put forth aggressive, and this is the last word comments.
I find that 'pinpoint' accuracy during a bombing run increases proportionally with the amount of munitions used.
-Commander Nathaniel Klepper,
Avanti's Angels, 3058
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Iceman
01/04/04 06:15 PM
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Hmm, excuse me, but what do you care about what I post or not? Did I post in the wrong place? I don't think so. So I really don't understand what your problem is.
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Iceman
01/05/04 07:15 AM
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Here's another one. Sadly, it's in german. 
It's called BattleMech 3D, and it's been released quite recently. Haven't tried it yet.
http://www.free.pages.at/schroedt/
It is hardcore BT, and I'm not in any way related to this project, BTW.
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Lone_Wolf_Radick
06/22/04 05:55 PM
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So how closely does MM follow CBT? and what size is the download? At the risk of fanning the flames of a dead firewar, I simply wish to know... The area I live in now is nearly devoid of people having the classic board game, or even of people wishing to PBEM. I've found a few willing to "twitch all night" to MW4, but as you true fans know, the replay value is limited at best... In the interest of fairness, I'm going to research this TOS as well, and attempt to formulate my own opinion. I do thank you all for informing, this sounds like just the thing to cure my urge for some board game action when my favorite dueling partners live miles away.
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Bansee
06/22/04 06:40 PM
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It would also be great for calculating missile hits; ever play against a guy with SRM Carriers? Both the rolls and the damage suck.
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Gangrene
06/24/04 01:07 AM
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There is Megamek and Titans of Steel. I would have to recommend Titans of Steel over Megamek because it is fully supported and is a completely independent program. For Megamek you have to have some Java programs installed, and last time I checked making a single player game was a hassle. Titans of Steel has its own problems, but for $10 its a decent investment.
Gangrene
Edited by Gangrene (06/24/04 01:15 AM)
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Gangrene
06/26/04 08:48 PM
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Scratch what I said and get Megamek. After spending more time with Titans of Steel I am convinced the acronym should be changed from ToS to POS. When I last posted I figured that my poor results were simply my lack of understanding the game. Now I know better. Well, at least my CD will make a nice coaster.
Here is an accurate review of the game I found online.
http://www.strategy-gaming.com/reviews/titans_of_steel/index.shtml
Gangrene
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tgsofgc
06/26/04 11:04 PM
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Sums up most of what i felt a while back, TOS remains one of the few computer games I actually regret buying.... though since joining a campaign i can now recommend megamech at least as a basic peer to peer game.
I find that 'pinpoint' accuracy during a bombing run increases proportionally with the amount of munitions used.
-Commander Nathaniel Klepper,
Avanti's Angels, 3058
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Gangrene
06/26/04 11:17 PM
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The sad part is that the problems would not be hard to fix. All they would have to do is let players start out in better positions in terms of skill and money, and decrease the to-hit penalties in the game. Heck, they could just remove the "special" from the special squads and let players "cheat" to their satisfaction without penalizing them. Oh, and let players quit from a game without being penalized. The game designers need to remember that making players jump through hoops is secondary to entertainment value.
Gangrene
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Iceman
06/27/04 12:11 PM
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I could of course point you to at least half a dozen reviews where ToS scores 79+%.
I guess accuracy of a review depends on how well you can play the game, huh?
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Gangrene
06/27/04 12:32 PM
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I read those reviews and purchased the game with them in mind. However, after rereading those reviews I have to wonder if the people who wrote them simply played ToS for a few hours and then set it aside without actually trying to get into the game. Even the good reviews posted on the site point out some of the basic flaws, like not being able to quit out of battles unpenalized.
Gangrene
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Iceman
06/27/04 12:40 PM
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Entertainment value? Well, that's what the starting skills and money positions in the solitary/campaign/development mode are for, to give you a challenge and hence increase the lifespan of the game. If you'd be given plenty of money and high skills, it'd just be another 20 hour game.
If you do not want to bother with money and low skills, then you have special squads and/or hotseat/random mode.
BTW, patch 1.2 will allow you to start as green rank instead of rookie, to make it easier on n00bs.
As for "cheating" and savegames, you *can* do it, just not directly in the game. Some game designers still believe in playing games without cheating, go figure ;-)
If you can't hit the broad side of a barn while at rookie rank, there's nothing you can't hit when promoted to the top ranks. You'll just have to endure those first few battle - n00bs have actually managed it. It's also part of the story for the game - you're starting your own unit, merc or otherwise, and finances are essential, just like jock development.
The game does have a steep learning curve, but once it grows on you...
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Iceman
06/27/04 12:48 PM
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Well, you could say the same about the "bad" reviews. Even more so, as if you read them, and you know the game, you can see the people that wrote them know very little about it. ;-)
Like I said in another post, you can "cheat" your way out of a battle. And you always have the "right" way to do it, like ejecting or fleeing the battle (where you keep your titans but just won't get paid).
We're talking campaign mode here. Is random mode that different from MM? In this respect you're discussing, as being a flaw in ToS.
BTW, you can save a battle and reload at any time, as long as the battle hasn't been finished. Just don't let the battle end, and you'll be alright.
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Gangrene
06/27/04 12:56 PM
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Oh no, don't call me a n00b! R u so L337?
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Entertainment value?
Yeah, its the thing defined by the user, not the designer.
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If you'd be given plenty of money and high skills, it'd just be another 20 hour game.
ToS won't even be a 10 hour game for most people, after they realize its crap.
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As for "cheating" and savegames, you *can* do it, just not directly in the game. Some game designers still believe in playing games without cheating, go figure ;-)
And some game designers make games that are fun without cheating, go figure.
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You'll just have to endure those first few battle
Do you realize what you just wrote down? You're right, the game is something to endure, not enjoy.
Gangrene
Edited by Gangrene (06/27/04 12:57 PM)
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Gangrene
06/27/04 12:57 PM
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Ok, so what are the cheats?
Gangrene
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Iceman
06/27/04 01:13 PM
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Hmm? Are you serious? Just back up your squad file *before* you enter battle. If the battle is going south for you, quit, and replace the squad file with the back up. Takes what, a few secs? Simple and clean, and no need for an in-game cheat.
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Gangrene
06/27/04 01:21 PM
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I already did that, but that doesn't make the game any more fun. How are they encoded?
Gangrene
Edited by Gangrene (06/27/04 01:30 PM)
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Iceman
06/27/04 01:25 PM
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Oh no, don't call me a n00b! R u so L337?
Eh? I didn't call you a n00b, I said patch 1.2 has a feature to help n00bs.
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Yeah, its the thing defined by the user, not the designer.
You did read what I wrote after that part, didn't you? It was about the user, not the designer.
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ToS won't even be a 10 hour game for most people, after they realize its crap.
According to you maybe. But some people just happen to think differently. Some have been playing it for years (including the shareware version). About it being crap, at least it's great crap ;-)
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And some game designers make games that are fun without cheating, go figure.
And some actually manage to combine the two, go figure
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Do you realize what you just wrote down? You're right, the game is something to endure, not enjoy.
Yes I do. Just like you did. If your squad can endure the beatings of a decent AI, and you can handle your blood pressure and heartbeat rate, you'll have lots of fun. That's what you meant, right?
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Iceman
06/27/04 01:31 PM
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More fun? Are we talking the same thing here? "to quit out of battles unpenalized", that's what I was refering to. Editing the squad files, that takes a hex editor. Great fun, that.
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Gangrene
06/27/04 06:43 PM
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Eh? I didn't call you a n00b, I said patch 1.2 has a feature to help n00bs.
It was implied, and your condescending attitude noted. Way to represent the company.
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You did read what I wrote after that part, didn't you? It was about the user, not the designer.
No, your statement was dictation to the user, not based on feedback from them. I am a user. I paid money for the damn game, and I am telling you it is messed up.
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According to you maybe. But some people just happen to think differently.
They must be a very small group, as the price at retailers was dropped to $10 to meet demand. There are three year old games cost more than that.
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And some actually manage to combine the two, go figure
Its too bad VB didn't manage that with ToS.
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Yes I do. Just like you did. If your squad can endure the beatings of a decent AI, and you can handle your blood pressure and heartbeat rate, you'll have lots of fun. That's what you meant, right?
No. Have you been paying attention? It does not matter how good the AI is if the idiot jocks players are forced to make cannot hit something right in front of them. Even a boneheaded AI can win under those circumstances. The game touts itself as "strategy", but really its about character competency.
Gangrene
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Iceman
06/27/04 07:42 PM
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It was implied, and your condescending attitude noted. Way to represent the company.
You made that leap. And I don't represent anyone but myself. I'm a player just like yourself. I just happen to have been beta tester for the game.
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No, your statement was dictation to the user, not based on feedback from them. I am a user. I paid money for the damn game, and I am telling you it is messed up.
How do you know what feedback from users I have? There are private forums you do not have access to, and private traffic. I'm also a user, and I know a bunch more. If one user says it's messed up and a bunch say it isn't, well, guess what. Anyways, it only cost you 10 bucks, right? No big loss.
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They must be a very small group, as the price at retailers was dropped to $10 to meet demand. There are three year old games cost more than that.
Why don't you ask that in the forum, and maybe someone from either VB or Matrix will explain it to you?
And for this type of game it's not that linear, and you know that. But it's not like it's in your best interest to acknowledge that, is it?
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Its too bad VB didn't manage that with ToS.
Yep, too bad for you. Fortunately for many people they did.
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No. Have you been paying attention? It does not matter how good the AI is if the idiot jocks players are forced to make cannot hit something right in front of them. Even a boneheaded AI can win under those circumstances. The game touts itself as "strategy", but really its about character competency.
Again, this is your experience. Go read the forum. Read the AARs. Count the number of complaints there about this issue.
And yes, character competency plays a big part in the game, just like the game description in the box hints at. You did read it, didn't you?
I think we should stop this now. You're picking on issues the developers made a point on keeping as is, just for the sake of argument. The game does not allow direct cheating, but part of it can be circumvented. That's what you have to work with. If you choose not to, there's always ebay.
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Gangrene
06/27/04 09:43 PM
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You made that leap. And I don't represent anyone but myself. I'm a player just like yourself. I just happen to have been beta tester for the game.
Your attitude is quite clear, and as a VB associate and playtester it explains why the game design is so hostile to new players or casual gamers, a.k.a. "n00bs". You cannot simply divorce yourself from something you have had a hand in. Your responses in this forum clearly show the attitude VB takes towards people who purchase their game, whether you intended it or not.
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How do you know what feedback from users I have? There are private forums you do not have access to, and private traffic.
Are you willing to post some or all the customer research VB did for this game?
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I'm also a user, and I know a bunch more. If one user says it's messed up and a bunch say it isn't, well, guess what. Anyways, it only cost you 10 bucks, right? No big loss.
Do you or VB want to send me my $10 back? I will gladly send you the CD and packaging for it.
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Why don't you ask that in the forum, and maybe someone from either VB or Matrix will explain it to you?
Its explained by the quality of the game.
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Again, this is your experience. Go read the forum. Read the AARs. Count the number of complaints there about this issue.
And yes, character competency plays a big part in the game, just like the game description in the box hints at. You did read it, didn't you?
Yes, the role-playing element is mentioned on the box. However, any sentence like "the player will start out with incompetent jocks who cannot hit the side of a barn, and will be forced to endure hours of tedius play before having a capable unit" is missing.
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I think we should stop this now.
So stop. I'll gladly stop if you send me my $10 back.
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You're picking on issues the developers made a point on keeping as is, just for the sake of argument. The game does not allow direct cheating, but part of it can be circumvented. That's what you have to work with. If you choose not to, there's always ebay.
Just for kicks I looked up Titans of Steel on ebay. The current bid: $1. Damn, I couldn't even get a hamburger for it.
Gangrene
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Iceman
06/28/04 06:10 AM
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Your attitude is quite clear, and as a VB associate and playtester it explains why the game design is so hostile to new players or casual gamers, a.k.a. "n00bs".
You're fishing, and being quite ridiculous making that kind of association. Not trying to offend you, but I'm sure you'll take it that way, with your attitude and all.
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You cannot simply divorce yourself from something you have had a hand in.
Oh but I have no intention of doing that. But my opinions about the game are my own, and since I'm NOT VB I can say whatever I want (within certain parameters of course). What you think you know is your own business.
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Your responses in this forum clearly show the attitude VB takes towards people who purchase their game, whether you intended it or not.
Yawnn... You didn't like the game. Fine. You said your piece, I tried to explain why Henrik did things the way he did, to the best of my knowledge. You think your will should overcome the designer's. It doesn't. Throwing a tantrum won't do you any good though.
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Are you willing to post some or all the customer research VB did for this game?
Why don't you ask them? You know who they are? At least you know where to find them.
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Do you or VB want to send me my $10 back? I will gladly send you the CD and packaging for it.
I got a copy already. But thanks anyway. Keep it, who knows, someday you might come to like it. Yeah yeah, I know.
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Its explained by the quality of the game.
Yawnn again. I've seen 2 people question the quality of the game, both here. Both because they couldn't get past the initial stages. I've also seen people here with the opposite attitude. Sorry, doesn't fly.
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Yes, the role-playing element is mentioned on the box. However, any sentence like "the player will start out with incompetent jocks who cannot hit the side of a barn, and will be forced to endure hours of tedius play before having a capable unit" is missing.
Yes, it should have been printed in YOUR box. I guess Matrix forgot about that. Not my place to apologise for that though.
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So stop. I'll gladly stop if you send me my $10 back.
Hehe. So keep going, I was just thinking about this board. I'm sure you'll have lots of fun.
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Gangrene
06/28/04 09:28 PM
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You're fishing, and being quite ridiculous making that kind of association.
But my opinions about the game are my own, and since I'm NOT VB I can say whatever I want (within certain parameters of course).
While you may not be the lead of the company, you still are a part of it. Yeah, you can say whatever you want, but you're still someone who had input to the design and therefore a rep of the product and company. The association is good enough for me.
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You think your will should overcome the designer's. It doesn't. Throwing a tantrum won't do you any good though.
No, I think the company should listen to valid complaints of those who purchased their product. Its not like I'm asking for a new graphics engine.
Gangrene
Edited by Gangrene (06/28/04 09:52 PM)
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tgsofgc
06/29/04 01:10 AM
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Game Rankings.com - Averge 60% - http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/537160.asp
I find that 'pinpoint' accuracy during a bombing run increases proportionally with the amount of munitions used.
-Commander Nathaniel Klepper,
Avanti's Angels, 3058
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Iceman
06/29/04 06:10 AM
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While you may not be the lead of the company, you still are a part of it. Yeah, you can say whatever you want, but you're still someone who had input to the design and therefore a rep of the product and company. The association is good enough for me.
Like I said, I am NOT a part of the company (VB). But whatever, it suits you that I am in this discussion, so think whatever you like.
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No, I think the company should listen to valid complaints of those who purchased their product. Its not like I'm asking for a new graphics engine.
They did, the operative word being VALID. There's one patch already out for some time, and another one just about to. I already told you about one of the features included in this patch to help new players.
BTW, did you ASK for anything, I mean did you ask VICIOUS BYTE for any changes? For them to listen, you have to speak up. Unless you're in the Matrix forum under a different callsign, I never saw you there. So if that's the case, I don't think you have any "right" to complain about what they did or didn't do, what they changed or didn't, based on your difficulties. Looks to me like you're just venting off steam for some reason. How long do you have the game?
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Iceman
06/29/04 06:35 AM
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GamesUnderground: 8.38
Deaf Gamers: 8.5
Konsolen World (german): 79%
PC Zone UK: 38% (they gave Korsun Pocket 20%... hehe)
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Gangrene
06/29/04 09:49 PM
24.6.228.14
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Like I said, I am NOT a part of the company (VB).
I assumed that since you are listed in 3 aspects of the game design you are employed by them. My fault. But you're right, I shouldn't be wasting my time with somebody who can't do anything. Cya.
Gangrene
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tgsofgc
06/30/04 02:42 AM
209.110.231.188
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I guess you insist on skewing my post again. I posted a simple informative link to a composite score page that combines and averages the scores from a number of large and well credited pc reviewers.... since you insist on quoting specifics I will copy and paste the list for you.
Gamezone - 86%
All About Games UK - 80%
PC Gamer - 79%
SciFi Magazine - 70%
IC Games - 67%
GameCell - 60%
Computer Gaming World - 50%
PC Gamer UK - 47%
Strategy Informer - 42%
PC Format UK - 41%
Strategy Gaming - 40%
If you want you can return to my previous link and it has links to all the full reviews except the three from the large game magazines (which likely aren't online... yet) [PC Gamer, PC Gamer UK, Computer Gaming World].
Thought I'd copy and paste this too:
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Q. Why are Gamers.com scores not included in the Rankings?
A. I used to include scores from Gamers.com in the average ratios, however, since their reviews come from Ziff-Davis magazines, it was including the same score twice. My Answer to people that used to complain about it was simple, you get a big magazine and a big website and your opinion can count twice too. However, recently more and more companies have been complaining because of the scores being counted twice, so I finally gave in and list Gamers.com under other reviews and only use the score from the print version. Oh and the day I did that, I started getting all kinds of emails for not counting them. Any change = 1/3 Happy, 1/3 Unhappy, 1/3 Never Notice.
I figured I might as well share other information from this ignored, and quite useful site:
Site Stats for the sites quoted for ToS:WS
Gamezone - Avg rating of all reviews 78%
All About Games UK - 77%
PC Gamer - 68%
SciFi Magazine - 85%
IC Games - 80%
GameCell - 74%
CGW - 63%
PC Gamer UK - 70%
Strategy Informer - 75%
PC Format UK - 66%
Strategy Gaming - 80%
If you visit the site it has tons more statistical information too.
I find that 'pinpoint' accuracy during a bombing run increases proportionally with the amount of munitions used.
-Commander Nathaniel Klepper,
Avanti's Angels, 3058
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Iceman
06/30/04 08:46 AM
194.210.9.25
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Touché, huh? 
Oh the sadness of running out of arguments...
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Iceman
06/30/04 08:57 AM
194.210.9.25
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I guess you insist on skewing my post again. I posted a simple informative link to a composite score page that combines and averages the scores from a number of large and well credited pc reviewers.... since you insist on quoting specifics I will copy and paste the list for you.
Eh?! Yes, you posted a link. I posted additional results that were not on the listed reviews, because I had mentioned there being several reviews of 79+%. I was backing up my post, not challenging yours. Why should I paste all results here, if you had already given the link?! I know all the reviews, I have them all on disk, including the magazines. How did I skew your post? Are you on something, or still stung about our last discussion(s)? Geez, get a life man.
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Lone_Wolf_Radick
07/06/04 12:35 PM
65.1.53.170
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Is there a fix for MegaMek when it begins what I've named "the constant crash phase"? Short of deleting and reinstalling it, nothing seems to help.. It's gotten to the point where the game will not even launch anymore, resulting in wasted hard drive space where once lived a convincing digital conversion of the old school board game...
War Never Determines who is right, only who is left.
"I find your lack of faith disturbing-Darth Vader"
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Sesshomeru
11/18/04 06:37 PM
4.229.45.24
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To Iceman
Where do i find this V 1.4, wich is a tutorial right.so far i've only found patch v 1.2 Also what is included in v 1.4
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Iceman
11/19/04 10:50 AM
84.90.29.9
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Titans of Steel, the shareware version, was left at version v1.4, which is the one you're refering to. It may still be available in a couple of personal sites, not sure, you can try to google for it.
Titans of Steel: Warring Suns, the commercial version (that spawned from v1.4) is currently at patch v1.2.1, available from the Matrix Games download page.
So v1.4 is actually not a more recent patch for the commercial version, but a stand-alone shareware game. It does not have a tutorial, but the commercial version does. v1.4 is just a poorer version of WS, but just as addictive and fun. WS has 3 new weapons, better graphics and sound, pre-made maps, campaign mode, lots of tweaks, loads of new additions, an improved manual, 3D terrain, cool soundtrack, ...
Hope this helps.
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Sesshomeru
11/26/04 06:16 PM
4.229.138.247
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Yes it does a llitlle bit but not a whole lot. Thanks anyway UIceman
With each kill I grow wiser and with that knowledge I grow stronger.
-Artemis Entreri
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Sesshomeru
11/26/04 06:17 PM
4.229.138.247
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I meant Iceman
With each kill I grow wiser and with that knowledge I grow stronger.
-Artemis Entreri
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Iceman
11/28/04 12:27 PM
84.90.29.9
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You'll have to be more specific about what you need, then.
You can look at Titans of Steel v1.4 (ToS), the latest version of the freeware game, as the "demo" for Titans of Steel: Warring Suns (WS), the much improved commercial version. The basic engine of the game is the same.
v1.4 is fully playable, no limitations. It used to be available for dl in Eric's site, but not anymore.
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