Greyslayer
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Re: Omni Elementals...
#25557 - 03/03/02 10:38 PM (63.12.145.21)
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I don't know given earlier information they wouldn't normally produce a retrotech like that. They have enough ER Micro and Micro pulses and so on to not bother with a ManPack PPC. The example I gave also required the elemental to mount and external powersource for the weapon, another thing the clams would find wasteful considering all their current suits provide enough power for the more efficient clam weapons.
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Bob_Richter
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Re: Omni Elementals...
#25559 - 03/03/02 10:51 PM (134.121.157.14)
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The MP-PPC and its attending power supply would fit into the Elemental's primary weapon mount with room to spare.
It is very possible the clans wouldn't think to use one, though...I mean...it's old tech, etc.
But if you were to say that Ele suits have been using these from the beginning (alt. universe) or something...
Or that some Warrior (probably a Goliath Scorpion Seeker) wanted a PPC on his suit enough to retrieve one from an old Star League storehouse...
Or maybe one Clan, having encountered MP-PPCs in the Inner Sphere went about re-inventing the wheel and made a Battle Armor PPC...
Then again, I'm not really trying to advocate this idea, I'm just saying "The Universe has plenty of stretch room."
Well, MAYBE the Battle Armor PPC. A BA Gauss Rifle might be nice too.
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Greyslayer
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Re: Omni Elementals...
#25560 - 03/03/02 10:55 PM (63.12.145.21)
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Well don't the Davs have Gauss Tech on theirs?
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Bob_Richter
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Re: Omni Elementals...
#25561 - 03/03/02 11:01 PM (134.121.157.14)
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Yabbut.
1) I'm not a Davvy
2) I don't like Infiltrator II suits.
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Greyslayer
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Re: Omni Elementals...
#25562 - 03/03/02 11:05 PM (63.12.145.21)
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Hey no buts!  Davs have it, clams make lighter Gauss Rifles at the large end of the scale and considering how dodgey they are could quite easily build their own version of the suit (say for example Clam Nova Cat get some suits off FedCom for being a part of the Star League).
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Cray
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Re: Omni Elementals...
#25566 - 03/04/02 05:44 AM (204.245.128.3)
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You should've taken Bob's advice and read further. He changed his mind in his next post and contributed some useful thoughts on "omni elementals."
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Karagin
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Re: Omni Elementals...
#25573 - 03/04/02 09:02 AM (63.173.170.72)
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They may not use it MPPPC with unarmored infantry but the idea to use them with Battlearmor might be something they are working on and it would be a jump for them in that it gives them back a little bit of tech advantage in that area.
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Karagin
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Re: Omni Elementals...
#25574 - 03/04/02 09:03 AM (63.173.170.72)
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I don't care if he did or didn't, I do not want to read his posting nor do I want his input.
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Cray
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Re: Omni Elementals...
#25578 - 03/04/02 10:13 AM (204.245.128.3)
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And yet you reply to him as soon as he enters a thread. Heh.
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Karagin
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Re: Omni Elementals...
#25579 - 03/04/02 10:22 AM (63.173.170.72)
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My reply was to tell him that his opinion/ideas were not wanted on the sugject of the thread, I am sorry that he can not understand or honor a simple request.
Do you understand now?
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Re: Omni Elementals...
#25588 - 03/04/02 01:14 PM (132.234.1.13)
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Heh. First, to get a suit you would have to talk to Katherine Steiner-Davion to get one. Second, it would have to come in through the DCMS, and I think we might just..err...confiscate it to study the suit and imrpove upon our *PATHETIC* frickin' Kage suits. 'Only 1 trooper carries a Heavy Weapon'...bitch, whinge, bitch...
Seeing as Gauss Cannon are supposedly very good against Battle Armour, one would think that they would be employed as main weaponry. The other super-weapon from MechWarrior was the Gyrojet cannons. Surely they could make a large-calibre Gyrojet and have some fun with that...
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Bob_Richter
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Speaking of Kage suits:
#25595 - 03/04/02 01:53 PM (134.121.157.14)
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(Why not, the FedSuns did it!)
Kage Mk II:
Just like Kage, but..
1) Improved Stealth ability. +1 at short, +2 at medium,+3 at long ( or 1/4/7. Silly FASA.)
2) EACH trooper carries a heavy weapon.
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NathanKell
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Re: Omni Elementals...
#25677 - 03/04/02 04:20 PM (24.44.238.62)
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Which remidns me...what exactly *is* the difference between a (bazooka-style) rocket launcher and recoilless rifle, anyway?
(on topic: both would be nice additions to BA, and wouldn't cause heat)
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Karagin
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Re: Omni Elementals...
#25680 - 03/04/02 04:23 PM (63.173.170.88)
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The biggest difference is the back blast and the size of the rounds being fired.
Let me look around for one of the websites I had found that had some info on these...
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Diablo
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Re: Speaking of Kage suits:
#25687 - 03/04/02 04:29 PM (206.186.185.6)
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all the mark I battle armour sucked! infillrator had no weapon! it had a mine launcher with 3 re-loads! not worth my time. but the mark II did spark my interest.
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Bob_Richter
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Re: Speaking of Kage suits:
#25707 - 03/04/02 05:33 PM (134.121.16.63)
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The Infiltrator Mk II is a Munchkin Death Suit.
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Diablo
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Re: Speaking of Kage suits:
#25869 - 03/05/02 01:30 PM (206.186.185.6)
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that's the point. death suits for my elite death squades at your friendly StarEx invasion force near you.
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Bob_Richter
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Re: Speaking of Kage suits:
#25871 - 03/05/02 01:32 PM (134.121.157.14)
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Fortunately, they still die by the dropshipload when exposed to fire from Battlemechs.
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Diablo
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Re: Speaking of Kage suits:
#25941 - 03/06/02 01:28 PM (206.186.185.6)
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not is there camoflaged and swarm the mechs. elementals were ment to take on infantry and swarm mechs. the camo suits help at long ranges and get into position via support fire from my 30,000,000 c-bill prototype mechs.
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Bob_Richter
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Re: Speaking of Kage suits:
#25943 - 03/06/02 02:22 PM (134.121.247.162)
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>>>not is there camoflaged and swarm the mechs. <<<
With the swarm roll failing miserably since it's basically impossible, and only annoying the 'Mech if it succeeds before they all get gunned down by its heavy guns? Bring it on.
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Karagin
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Re: Omni Elementals...
[Re: Karagin]
#143393 - 01/17/07 09:25 AM (70.123.166.36)
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Given that we now have new BAs some which seem to be modular, could this idea be worked in or not?
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