Editing Talk:BattleTech eras

Great idea for an article. I think this would be a good addition to the [[BattleTech]] article in the See Also section. Suggestion for another title: '''BattleTech Eras'''? --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 10:13, 28 August 2008 (CDT)

:Do we really need seven different articles for information that is already covered elsewhere? I do like the idea for explaining the eras thing, but shouldn't we just do it in one comprehensive article? --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 19:05, 28 August 2008 (CDT)

::I agree with Scaletail. I created this article yesterday as a placeholder until I could figured something else out. I'm fine with linking all the eras to a single page. --[[User:Ebakunin|Ebakunin]] 21:43, 28 August 2008 (CDT)

:::I think we're all in agreement on that (see my original post). I think its a great list-type article, but I don't think it needs to be recreated 6 times with different names. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 00:29, 29 August 2008 (CDT)

== Adding Eras ==

In my research, I'm coming across other "eras" that are referred to.  Plus the time from [[2005]] until the [[Star League]] can be broken up.  Do you think we can add our own era's here or are we just going with [[InMediaRes]] stuff?  [[User:Communibus locis|Locis]] 13:38, 18 November 2008 (PST)

:It's just CGL's eras right now. Interestingly, the era logos in ''[[Jihad Turning Points: Luthien]]'' now includes a "Dark Age" era. --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 16:52, 18 November 2008 (PST)

==First Exodus Era==

I have seen the "pre-Age of War" Era is referred to commonly as the "First Exodus (Era)".  I looked up the date, if you are so inclined to change the name - the era would be demarcated by the settlement of Tau Ceti IV ([[New Earth]]) in [[2112]] and the start of the Age of War in [[2398]]--[[User:S.gage|S.gage]] 17:39 EDT 18 June 2009.

:I was just copyediting. You're welcome to make any changes you want. However, we really do need more citations. If you could add them in your edits we'd really appreciate it. Thanks. --[[User:Ebakunin|Ebakunin]] 15:35, 18 June 2009 (PDT)

==The Reunification War Era==

The Reunification War era is wrongly displayed as "Pre-Star League Era" in the in yearlist box. The [[Star League]] was formed in [[2571]]. Add Star League logo and change the era for this period. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 21:01, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

:Huh. Not sure how that happened. I have removed the Reunification War era entirely as the eras have been revamped (the canon document is [http://www.classicbattletech.com/index.php?action=text&page=Introductory_Products#Eras here]). Thanks for noticing! --<span style="font-family:Courier">[[User:Ebakunin|Ebakunin]]</span> <sup>([[User talk:Ebakunin|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Ebakunin|contribs]])</sup> 00:09, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

==The Dark Age Era==

The Period after 3082 is when Wizkids takes over more or less, calling that Darkage is a short hand.   The actual Dark Age (3132-Fortress Republic?) and Age of Destruction (Fortress Republic?+) time periods should be split out too, does any one know what wizkids called the era I woudl call the Age of Peace, or Death by Boredom between 3082 and the circa 3132 collapse of the HPG network that starts the Dark Age? --[[User:PerkinsC|Cameron]] 14:16, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
:So far, official word from Herb has been that 3081+ is called the Dark Age. I'm not aware of an official distinction between these eras so far (unlike the Exodus eras, for example). [[User:Dirk Bastion|Dirk Bastion]] 15:46, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
::Herbs Response ammounts to "Not My Job" - Thats when the Timeline for the '''DarkAge Game''' takes over, there are at least three time periods in DA's time line that FanPro/Catalyst is '''not''' going to account for because they are not yet cleared to operate in those years.  Even if as IIRC WizKids is less of an issue and the DarkAge is dead, the era periods from the Dark Age game should still be as faithfully represented as from the BattleTech game that is all we really care about.--[[User:PerkinsC|Cameron]] 17:30, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

::BattleTech (Catalyst/FanPro/FASA) < 3081 <= Dark Age(Wizkids), we should cover the time periods of both games, not just the one that we care the most about.--[[User:PerkinsC|Cameron]] 18:15, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
:::I have no clue what you are arguing against, to be honest. Nobody's saying that we shouldn't cover these events, just that distinguishing between suberas shouldn't be done until Catalyst does so (we don't do so for the Succession Wars or Star League Era either). Do you have any source on these sub-era periods? [[User:Dirk Bastion|Dirk Bastion]] 18:27, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
::::According to the [http://www.classicbattletech.com/index.php?action=text&page=Introductory_Products#Eras CGL description of era logos], the "Dark Age" era is 3132 and later. To my knowledge, there is no official name for the era between the Jihad and Dark Age eras, assuming the Jihad era ends in 3081 (the Clan Invasion era does not end in 3052, for example). --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 02:44, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
:::::Do take not, however, that [[TRO:3085]] and [[Technical Readout: 3085 Supplemental]] claim that they take place in both the Jihad and Dark Age era. Since this product actually takes place in the era of question, that shouldn't be overlooked. [[User:Dirk Bastion|Dirk Bastion]] 17:20, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
:::I am saying that it is/was not in Catalysts Mandate to do anything past 3081 when WizKids was an effective force, WizKids had Superior Authority and delegated authority to FantasyProductions/Catalyst for the period before 3081, thus CGL's Era list is not saying that 3081+ is actually called "Dark Age", what they are saying is that that period is still only being covered by the Dark Age game, Totally different Concept.--[[User:PerkinsC|Cameron]] 16:42, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
::::WizKids materiel should be treated as authoritive for era type information 3081 and subsequent until Catalyst decides to progress past 3081.--[[User:PerkinsC|Cameron]] 16:42, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
:::::Catalyst has already released two TROS in the past 3081 era. As to the names - could you please just link me to what those eras are supposed to be called and when they take place? I honestly don't know!  [[User:Dirk Bastion|Dirk Bastion]] 17:20, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
::::::3081 - 3132 is a period of peace spiked by the occasional Pirate Raid and Capellan attempt to regain Territory - the main problem is that times of peace are not worth naming.  The Dark Age Starts circa 3132 with the collapse of the HPG Network. Age of Destruction starts with the Formation of Fortress Republic in 3135 when the rotten Sphere finally collapses.  The other problem is that the PTB make shortcuts, and then wonder why people would care enough to rub nose--[[User:PerkinsC|Cameron]] 13:22, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

==Linkable Titles for the Eras==
Tech Manual references the eras Directly for certain classes of weapons, so how do i get [[BattleTech_eras#Early Spaceflight]] and [[BattleTech_eras#Pre-Spaceflight]] links to work?{{Unsigned|PerkinsC|on 3 March 2011}}
:You can't, at the moment. You can only link to headlines, not table cells. [[User:Dirk Bastion|Dirk Bastion]] 15:46, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

==Age of War Era==

Now, with MUL:BV out, CGL has listed the Age of War from 2005 to 2570. We have split that period up here in our table. So, what should we do? Keep our eras, or follow CGL? --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 08:49, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
:Go with CGL's dates. --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 23:57, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
::Compromise: How about having the Era mark for the Age of War period in each of our time periods?  possibly with a merged cell on the Left to indicate that CGL considers our split out "In universe" time periods one era for Game use.  --[[User:PerkinsC|Cameron]] 14:16, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
:::Why wouldn't we want to use the official era designations? Is there some use for this article beyond the information about CGL-designated eras? --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 23:26, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
::::Serves as a Cross Walk between "Era" which has Glyphs, and "Sub-Era" which does not, sub-eras come from In-Universe Information (First Succession War, Second, Third, Fourth, etc) and also indicate periods of technology in the cases of "pre-space" and "early space flight".  The Diaspora and the subsequent periods of colonization were also useful before their removal.  CGL's era listing is Quick and Dirty and is by no means intended to be accurate or exhaustive (q.v. Dark Age Era starting before 3132).--[[User:PerkinsC|Cameron]] 21:32, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
:Why is the Age of War listed as a sub-era of the Star League era? Is it simply that Catalyst don't have a symbol on their website categorizing the Age of War seperately because there aren't many products from that era? It just seems a bit counterintuitive to me, given that the formation of the Star League marked the end of the Age of War. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 07:28, 7 November 2012 (PST)
::Following on from my last, would it be possible to amend the Year Pages template slightly? The reason I ask is that at the moment, everything from 2569 back to at least 2228 lists "Pre Star League Era" at the head of the Year page. I understand keeping the official game supplement category eras as the master eras, but for clarity on the Year pages, could we perhaps introduce the Age of War and pre-Age of War eras? [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 06:56, 1 August 2013 (PDT)
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 :Why is the Age of War listed as a sub-era of the Star League era? Is it simply that Catalyst don't have a symbol on their website categorizing the Age of War seperately because there aren't many products from that era? It just seems a bit counterintuitive to me, given that the formation of the Star League marked the end of the Age of War. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 07:28, 7 November 2012 (PST)
 ::Following on from my last, would it be possible to amend the Year Pages template slightly? The reason I ask is that at the moment, everything from 2569 back to at least 2228 lists "Pre Star League Era" at the head of the Year page. I understand keeping the official game supplement category eras as the master eras, but for clarity on the Year pages, could we perhaps introduce the Age of War and pre-Age of War eras? [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 06:56, 1 August 2013 (PDT)
-:: Agreed about the ear being incorrect for 2005-2570, should be Age of War. Maybe a copy-past error? I'll fix it up. --[[User:Mjog|Mjog]] ([[User talk:Mjog|talk]]) 21:00, 20 June 2020 (EDT)
-== Early spaceflight? ==
-I thing early spaceflight should include at least up to 2200 (TechManual, p. 201 "Heavy Equipment" says _Items developed from 2001 to 2200 are also technically in the “early spaceflight”_)
-Also, should the star league era really start in 2005? Interstellar operations, p 14 has it starting in 2300. Since the Star League is founded in 2571, maybe the era should start around 2570 too?
---[[Special:Contributions/47.53.162.107|47.53.162.107]] 14:45, 1 September 2017 (EDT)
-: Hey. My simple response is to agree with your concerns about 'early spaceflight', though probably up to [[2107]], the year of the first hyperspace jump. However, we (Sarna) cannot make that decision. In almost every instance of a fact, there is a canon source for it. In this case, the cited source is from the old, free Classic BattleTech pdf, ''Master Unit List: Battle Value'' (unfortunately with deadlinks). However, I did just find, in ''TechManual'' (p. 201, "Heavy Equipment"), Professor Habeas explains "early spaceflight" includes the period up to 2200. And, I agree with you about the earliest Star League era starting in [[2005]]; that source is from ''The Periphery'' (original edition), and I don't think it could reasonably be defended as fitting in with the official intent of the "primary" BattleTech eras (Star League League, Succession Wars, etc.).
-: In that light, yes: I think we can open up a discussion about re-evaluating the sources for the eras. Thank you.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 20:10, 1 September 2017 (EDT)
-== Early and Late Succession Wars ==
-Does anyone know why there are entries for the early and late [[Succession Wars]] and why they are split at [[2900]]? The descriptions of the two periods are identical. --<span style="font-family:Courier">[[User:Ebakunin|Ebakunin]]</span> <sup>([[User talk:Ebakunin|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Ebakunin|contribs]])</sup> 18:03, 22 February 2020 (EST)
-:Early SW started with the Houses at near-SL tech levels in everything, late is basically when they had basically hit rock bottom in terms of lostech and society warfare had pretty much stabilised at 3025-level tech. I'll update the description. --[[User:Mjog|Mjog]] ([[User talk:Mjog|talk]]) 20:57, 20 June 2020 (EDT)
-Another point here is that the [[MUL]] actually lists three Succession wars eras - early, lostech and renaissance. The last one is missing in the table at the moment, should we add it? --[[User:Mjog|Mjog]] ([[User talk:Mjog|talk]]) 21:16, 20 June 2020 (EDT)