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= Rules for editing the front page =
 
= Rules for editing the front page =
 
* Please discuss here if you have other ideas for the front page, or play on the [[Main_Page_Test | Main Page (Test)]] if you want to show your ideas. [[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] 02:05, 4 October 2006 (CDT)
 
* Please discuss here if you have other ideas for the front page, or play on the [[Main_Page_Test | Main Page (Test)]] if you want to show your ideas. [[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] 02:05, 4 October 2006 (CDT)
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= Comments regarding the Main Page/Wiki-in-General =
 
= Comments regarding the Main Page/Wiki-in-General =
 
==Malicious Adverts==
 
 
Could it be possible to somehow deal with the type of adverts on the wiki? Some have linked to actual spyware/viruses. With this being invaluable BT Wiki, it's getting a bit out of hand. Hard to support the site if leaving adverts on literally threatens peoples machines. [[User:deathbane]] ([[User talk:deathbane|talk]]) 23 March 2023 16:45 (GMT)
 
:Have notified site bureaucrat. Can you be more specific about the ads you’re seeing? [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 16:51, 23 March 2023 (EDT)
 
::@deathbane: There should be absolutely no dangerous or malicious ads on the site.  We use a top-tier advertising platform (Freestar), and anything remotely like that should have been screened and removed.  If you do see something malicious, take a screenshot and send me the link right away.  https://nicj.net/contact/.  For what it's worth, it's possible your machine has previously been infected by malware and is replacing our ads with its own malicious ones.  I'd encourage you to scan your system if possible.  Let me know if you find anything!  [[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] ([[User talk:Nicjansma|talk]]) 08:43, 31 March 2023 (EDT)
 
:::@Nicjansma|Nicjansma: The advert in question was the usual link to fake russian download this XYZ. My machine scanned with Defender, Malwarebytes etc and there is no issue on my machine. Those adverts have ONLY showed up on this wiki, not other sites I have been using to the point I've had to reenable adblock. I have also had other people in my discord who are battletech fans tell me the same to the point they are running adblock when visiting this site. I understand you are coming from a position of good faith, but I severely doubt its on my end. I'm not type to frequent russian warez sites etc. If I see anything suspect again or other user in our server does who tells me I'll post here and report it. PS: I also don't appreciate unskippable pop up ads even if legitimate (had a few etsy ones etc like this). [[User:deathbane]] ([[User talk:deathbane|talk]]) 14 April 2023 17:57 (GMT)
 
::::I'm not saying you have any particular habits that are targeting these ads to you, and I empathize with you that I wouldn't want to see those ads either.  Please report any concerning ads here or to the web form above (screenshot + right-click to get the target URL).  You can also often click on the context menu for the ad to report it to the ad provider, or on the AdChoices button.  You can also change your Skin from SarnAdSense to Sarna and no ad-block will be needed.
 
::::For what it's worth, I run the site without an ad-blocker and on the SarnaAdSense skin so I can always review what's being shown on the site.  I haven't come across any concerning ads in the past year or more.  It's possible there's some geo-location targeting for you (vs. me) that some provider is showing more concerning ads.  But as I said, please report those.
 
::::Finally, there shouldn't be any un-skippable pop-up ads.  The only type of ad that may be considered a popup is a single "Page Transition" ad that will possibly happen once per session (after you click to go to a 2nd page), that you can always skip by clicking on the X in the upper-right.  If you're seeing any other ads that are un-skippable, please again report per above.  It again could be something else hijacking your ad session. [[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] ([[User talk:Nicjansma|talk]]) 12:20, 24 April 2023 (EDT)
 
 
==Not sure if it is possible...==
 
 
Would there be a way for the images at the top of the various unit pages to be randomized from one of the ones attached to the article, rather then being a static one? [[User:silvercyanide]] ([[User talk:SilverCyanide|talk]]) 21mar2023 15:36 (EST)
 
 
==Recognition Guide timeframe==
 
Do we have an idea of what the timeframe is for the Recognition Guides to be released from their hold and we can start adding the pictures and information from the more recent ones in the wiki? [[User:silvercyanide]] ([[User talk:SilverCyanide|talk]]) 14mar2023 10:20 (EST)
 
: Two months per [[Policy:Moratorium]], after that it is all down to when somebody gets to it.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 10:23, 14 March 2023 (EDT)
 
:: I own everyone of them and I am ready to put things down, I'm just waiting for the announcements on the front page. [[User:silvercyanide|silvercyanide]] ([[User talk:SilverCyanide|talk]]) 15mar2023 12:43 (EST)
 
::: Sorry, that is on me. I often forget to update the main page whilst I am working on other parts of the wiki. Currently you are good to update from 29 and lower.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 17:29, 15 March 2023 (EDT)
 
 
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Conducting business activity in a state requires a license and filing taxes. It is easy to check for official records.
 
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: We use the "citations needed" tag ('''<nowiki>{{cn}}</nowiki>''') for issues such as this. As no ''one'' person is responsible for ensuring every edit is validated, the responsibility falls upon every user (editors and readers) alike. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 09:30, 23 April 2018 (EDT)
 
 
==Update==
 
A few months ago I was looking at what Mechs were manufactured in the FWL and found the Free Worlds League Mechs page very helpful.  However, as I was assembling the various Mechs, factories and worlds, I found a number of machines that are NOT on the FWL page.  They are the following-
 
o  Locust, Venom, Stinger, Wasp, Wulfen, Blackjack II, Preta, Griffin, Ghost, Hunchback, Kyudo, Phoenix Hawk, Shadow Hawk, Vulcan, Wolverine, Archer, Grigori, Deva, Crusader, Mortis, Prefect, Rifleman, Scourge, Thunderbolt, Warhammer, Battlemaster, Goliath, Seraph, Longbow, Stalker, Emperor, Archangel, Tomahawk
 
 
I also located a number of Mechs that are listed as being FWL made, but no listed factories.  These are-
 
o  Huron Warrior, Shadow Hawk, Sentinel, Raven, Firestarter, Jackalope, Merlin
 
 
I hope this in some way helps.  HyperionCormyr (who can't find his log in info)
 
 
==Add "Infantry Platoon" to Unit Categories==
 
since the infantry Platoon has been a designable unit for a while it would be a good idea to be able to reach them from off the main page--[[User:PerkinsC|Cameron]] ([[User talk:PerkinsC|talk]]) 18:54, 23 August 2014 (PDT)
 
:I always though a link to Infantry units would be a good idea instead of having to follow multiple links([[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 17:24, 19 February 2016 (PST))
 
::I kind of agree but I think we need to address an issue with unit types and fluff before we move it onto the front page. [[Heavy Jump Infantry (Royal Gurkha)]] for example should really be [[Heavy Jump Infantry]] with a link to the [[Royal Gurkha]] command as a notable example ofthe type. where as most of the articles are extremely heavily based upon their TRO:3085 entries.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 18:44, 19 February 2016 (PST)
 
::: Yes the entries need some work, but that could be said for a lot of other unit types. I agree there is some duplication and it's 3085 heavy, but those are some of the most detailed description available. Personally I don't think entries requiring a little editing should be a negative to placing an overall Infantry Category link on the main page with all the other unit types. ([[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 02:59, 20 February 2016 (PST))
 
:::: Why not just use the [[Infantry]] page? It works out pretty great? [[User:Admiral Obvious|Admiral Obvious]] ([[User talk:Admiral Obvious|talk]]) 22:16, 20 December 2018 (EST)
 
:::::I think it is because we use category sections pretty extensively to organise the other units so linking to the Infantry page would be a marked deprture in handling method.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 02:42, 21 December 2018 (EST)
 
::::::Maybe a category for sub-types of units and then link them to the [[Infantry]] page, same as we do with DropsShips, Jumpships and Warships. Infantry is basically giving us the standard types: Foot, Mechanized, Motorized and Jump (not sure if the latest books added new ones, and then we can put subtypes- Heavy, Artilery, Field Guns, paratroopers...--[[User:Pserratv|Pserratv]] ([[User talk:Pserratv|talk]]) 02:53, 21 December 2018 (EST)
 
::::::That makes sense to me, and is pretty much what I was thinking back in Feb '16 when it was las raised. The main issue is sorting out the mess of units (as infantry sub types) and commands (fluffy stuff within universe).--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 03:11, 21 December 2018 (EST)
 
:::::::Overall, the way infantry needs to be sorted (in my opinion) isn't that hard to do. There's some superfluous categories, like Heavy (insert motive type here) Infantry, which can be rolled into their respective, generic class of infantry. Their primary difference is that they have a bigger armament for taking down 'Mechs, most of the time, but other than that, that's usually it. Subtypes can be their own subcategory. Most of the subtypes at the top down level don't much affect who they are. Paramedics for example do what they say on the tin, same as bridge builders, engineers (of their respective type) and minesweepers/layers. Subtypes should be explained on the top down level, and the specific infantry units (and their stories) should be added in under the category for the subtype where applicable, starting with unit type at the top, and then specific units grouped under the generic grouping. In this case, I think linked subcategories would work out well. If someone is looking for specific units, the search function can handle that pretty well too.[[User:Admiral Obvious|Admiral Obvious]] ([[User talk:Admiral Obvious|talk]]) 12:45, 21 December 2018 (EST)
 
  
 
==Add "Category" to the sidebar==
 
==Add "Category" to the sidebar==
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== Posting canon files ==
 
== Posting canon files ==
* Here's a request that should breed discussion: can we post official files? It would seem that the official software programs, [[HeavyMetal]] would make creating a database of official and fan-based [['Mech]]s, [[ASF]]s, [[ProtoMech]]s, [[battle armor]], [[DropShip]]s, [[JumpShip]]s, [[WarShip]]s and combat/support vehicles really easy and the semi-official nature of Sarna, now in wiki-form, seems to make the idea obvious. At the very least, I'd like to have a special section for fan-created entries, broken into similar categories I've listed here. An official database would go well with the Background section and a fan database might fit either there or in the Official Game Systems --> Board Game subsection. [[User:Revanche|Revanche]] 11:04, 17 September 2006 (CDT)
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* Here's a request that should breed discussion: can we post official files? It would seem that the official software programs, [[HeavyMetal]] would make creating a database of official and fan-based [['Mech]]s, [[ASF]]s, [[ProtoMech]]s, [[Battle Armor]], [[DropShip]]s, [[JumpShip]]s, [[WarShip]]s and combat/support vehicles really easy and the semi-official nature of Sarna, now in wiki-form, seems to make the idea obvious. At the very least, I'd like to have a special section for fan-created entries, broken into similar categories I've listed here. An official database would go well with the Background section and a fan database might fit either there or in the Official Game Systems --> Board Game subsection. [[User:Revanche|Revanche]] 11:04, 17 September 2006 (CDT)
 
** I was thinking about this yesterday as well -- I wonder if we can either 1) Convince Rick that a HeavyMetal wikitext export would be cool or 2) Convert other (html? xml?) output from one of the programs and import it. [[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] 14:52, 17 September 2006 (CDT)
 
** I was thinking about this yesterday as well -- I wonder if we can either 1) Convince Rick that a HeavyMetal wikitext export would be cool or 2) Convert other (html? xml?) output from one of the programs and import it. [[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] 14:52, 17 September 2006 (CDT)
 
*** 1) Well, I think Rick's response would be along the lines that it would have limited function (for how many BT wikis will there be?). But, on the other hand, Rick sometimes surprises me and feels something is either easier than I expected or worth the challenge. In other words, it wouldn't hurt to ask. 2) I spent the day driving from Reno to Monterey and giving the wiki project some thought. As I was thinking about the help files I have to bone up for creating equipment templates, I started thinking longer-term, with what an entry for a 'mech might be. That's a discussion for another time, I guess, but it boils down to the idea that there is a multitude of information that can be included in an of those types of entries without having to copy/paste info directly provided in the TROs. IOW, even if we did port that info in via a conversion of html (I'd think that there must be something along those lines provided by some wiki programmer), there's plenty more that can be added from non-TRO sources. That is, even after that stuff was ported in, we'd like to add in various stats, histories and models that would fit best into an established template. If we converted existing files into wiki-language, could that data be shoehorned into a template? [[User:Revanche|Revanche]] 00:04, 18 September 2006 (CDT)
 
*** 1) Well, I think Rick's response would be along the lines that it would have limited function (for how many BT wikis will there be?). But, on the other hand, Rick sometimes surprises me and feels something is either easier than I expected or worth the challenge. In other words, it wouldn't hurt to ask. 2) I spent the day driving from Reno to Monterey and giving the wiki project some thought. As I was thinking about the help files I have to bone up for creating equipment templates, I started thinking longer-term, with what an entry for a 'mech might be. That's a discussion for another time, I guess, but it boils down to the idea that there is a multitude of information that can be included in an of those types of entries without having to copy/paste info directly provided in the TROs. IOW, even if we did port that info in via a conversion of html (I'd think that there must be something along those lines provided by some wiki programmer), there's plenty more that can be added from non-TRO sources. That is, even after that stuff was ported in, we'd like to add in various stats, histories and models that would fit best into an established template. If we converted existing files into wiki-language, could that data be shoehorned into a template? [[User:Revanche|Revanche]] 00:04, 18 September 2006 (CDT)
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Could someone please update the exoskeletons line under the units section to get rid of the spelling error?
 
Could someone please update the exoskeletons line under the units section to get rid of the spelling error?
 
:Fixed. Thanks, Mystery Requestor. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 09:47, 6 June 2009 (PDT)
 
:Fixed. Thanks, Mystery Requestor. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 09:47, 6 June 2009 (PDT)
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== User Count ==
 
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Seems to became rampant in the last few days? [[User:Panzerknacker|Panzerknacker]] 05:52, 30 June 2012 (PDT)
 
Seems to became rampant in the last few days? [[User:Panzerknacker|Panzerknacker]] 05:52, 30 June 2012 (PDT)
  
== Adding a link to the History Page on the front page? ==
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== 共和国数年ごとには民主的に選出され ==
 
 
I'd like to suggest adding a link to the [[History|History of the BattleTech universe]] on the main page.  Putting a link to an overview of the franchise's backstory and major events on the front page should help people new to BattleTech familiarize themselves with the setting.
 
- [[User:AutumnThunder|AutumnThunder]] ([[User talk:AutumnThunder|talk]]) 08:40, 11 December 2016 (PST)
 
:I agree this could be a good idea.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 09:48, 11 December 2016 (PST)
 
::Interesting...would the top-page edit I just made work? --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 15:33, 3 August 2017 (EDT)
 
 
 
== Cleaning up the Sidebar==
 
I think the Sidebar could be made more concise. I'd like to suggest the following:
 
* move  Official Game Systems and Homebrew Game Systems to their own categories
 
* replace those two with Current Game Systems:
 
** A Time of War
 
** Alpha Strike (rules)
 
** BattleTech (board game)
 
** BattleTech (VG)
 
** MechWarrior 5: Mercenaries
 
** MechWarrior Online
 
This would allow the Editor- and Admin-friendly Tools to be more up-Sidebar and make the mobile site more relevant. Comments?--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 15:33, 3 August 2017 (EDT)
 
:Go for it! A revamp or at least serious cleanup/decluttering has long been overdue. Such a project has been on my screen... peripherally... for many years without making any progress. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 15:49, 3 August 2017 (EDT)
 
::I'm all for trimming down the list, but I think for those systems you're stripping out - particularly the video games - it'd be worth adding a catch all "other video games" link within the sidebar. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 15:55, 3 August 2017 (EDT)
 
::: Okay, I'll take this for action. Thanks, both. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 22:03, 4 August 2017 (EDT)
 
 
 
== AeroSpace fighters ==
 
 
 
Might be time to clean up the main page a bit. [[User:Madness Divine|Madness Divine]] ([[User talk:Madness Divine|talk]]) 14:04, 3 August 2022 (EDT)
 
  
: Concur! I noticed the same thing, but I don't have high enough authority to change "AeroSpace fighters" on the home page to "Aerospace fighters" [[Special:Contributions/75.23.228.139|75.23.228.139]] 15:28, 7 September 2022 (EDT)
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フォワード区nnは共和国設立高度な技術レベルヒューム家族と一緒に南部の本土に住む。比べて独自の伝記
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バースロストック
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  バースロストック
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騎士は、熱NN布再ア王国と魔法の大きな国ウィSUダNN連邦、バスつま先共和国のー区ずっと浅い歴史と述べた。共和国数年ごとには民主的に選出された大統領の部族から国のガバナンスの主な理由になります。翔区資本バス布金属の生産は初のミニのsu再ヒカルだったと、一緒に全世界で知られている工業都市の資本を開発しましたので。
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もともと豊かなミニSU再ヒカルレアメタル鉱山からバスつま先ー区、都市を開発するので。だから常に金[http://www.rmtroan.jp/game/ff14/sell ff14 rmt アカウント]属精錬や加工産業は非常に繁栄しているだけでなく、工房都市基づいており、有名なされています。
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主に強いとよく知られている家族GAヒカルグレードが住んで南部地域では、彼らが大きな貢献を採掘·開発を採掘し、ヒュームの家族と一緒には非常に強く、良好な関係を持っています。黒共和国のバスのつま先はー周りに、広大な不毛の荒涼とした大地バッグSUタタリベル袋があります。
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HUME家族やGLAKA人口は、とても同じサンドリア適し兵士出発で、かなりのフランチャイズ店としてHUME民族ベースの工業都市BASTOR、金属精錬組合の存在感、武器や防具で、出発原料としてGLAKAファミリは、これを選択する国は、その後、そこにある"里NN袋(RING)"、初期のQUEST、使命と迷路を取得するための能力を高めることができるから選択する選手を開始するために非常に適し、多くの。

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