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	Due to the description of the Banshee's production years reading "...producing five thousand Banshees in a decade before its poor combat performance finally forced them to stop production", I have set the production ceased date for the Banshee in 2455. Feel free to revert if this is contradicted by canon or my conjecture is incorrect. [[User:Mattiator|Mattiator]] ([[User talk:Mattiator|talk]]) 17:24, 23 April 2013 (PDT)		Due to the description of the Banshee's production years reading "...producing five thousand Banshees in a decade before its poor combat performance finally forced them to stop production", I have set the production ceased date for the Banshee in 2455. Feel free to revert if this is contradicted by canon or my conjecture is incorrect. [[User:Mattiator|Mattiator]] ([[User talk:Mattiator|talk]]) 17:24, 23 April 2013 (PDT)
	:Production of the ''Banshee'' was also restarted with the advent of the -3S variant. That makes the "cease production" date a bit more complicated. --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] ([[User talk:Scaletail|talk]]) 18:24, 23 April 2013 (PDT)		:Production of the ''Banshee'' was also restarted with the advent of the -3S variant. That makes the "cease production" date a bit more complicated. --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] ([[User talk:Scaletail|talk]]) 18:24, 23 April 2013 (PDT)
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	:::::::I'm deathly afraid of any drive to put any "current" information front and center on Sarna. It is a fleeting concept, frequently changing, and we'd end up chasing ghosts and shadows across the breadth of Sarna forever. This is simply not sustainable. Nobody is going to do that work, and as a result the wiki will be frequently outdated instead of merely not quite up to date.		:::::::I'm deathly afraid of any drive to put any "current" information front and center on Sarna. It is a fleeting concept, frequently changing, and we'd end up chasing ghosts and shadows across the breadth of Sarna forever. This is simply not sustainable. Nobody is going to do that work, and as a result the wiki will be frequently outdated instead of merely not quite up to date.
	:::::::The only sustainable approach I can think of is to build it up in chronological order. Example page to follow once I find the time; it will be the ''[[Archer]]'' page. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 01:36, 23 August 2021 (EDT)		:::::::The only sustainable approach I can think of is to build it up in chronological order. Example page to follow once I find the time; it will be the ''[[Archer]]'' page. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 01:36, 23 August 2021 (EDT)
−	::::::: I tend to agree with Frabby here. Leading with "current" stuff would be nice, but it creates a bunch of work which we'll never keep up with, and I think the incompleteness gives a worse impression than leading with older stuff first.[[User:HF22|HF22]] ([[User talk:HF22|talk]]) 01:45, 23 August 2021 (EDT)
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−	::::::::I reverted to the BNC-3E image for the time being, since I changed it in the first place and so that the image matches the infobox data. Once we get a formal consensus on the image policy, we can revert again if necessary. --[[User:Cache|Cache]] ([[User talk:Cache|talk]]) 12:13, 23 August 2021 (EDT)

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{{Template:ProjectBattleMech}} Due to the description of the Banshee's production years reading "...producing five thousand Banshees in a decade before its poor combat performance finally forced them to stop production", I have set the production ceased date for the Banshee in 2455. Feel free to revert if this is contradicted by canon or my conjecture is incorrect. [[User:Mattiator|Mattiator]] ([[User talk:Mattiator|talk]]) 17:24, 23 April 2013 (PDT) :Production of the ''Banshee'' was also restarted with the advent of the -3S variant. That makes the "cease production" date a bit more complicated. --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] ([[User talk:Scaletail|talk]]) 18:24, 23 April 2013 (PDT) ==Production Date Confusion== So can anyone explain to me why we don't use the original variant in the infobox (and thus on the year pages, etc.); for this one it was first produced in 2445 but the variant in the infobox was 2475, and it is unnecessarily confusing. I just don't understand why the oldest one isn't used. -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 15:54, 31 July 2014 (PDT) :Sarna currently operates on first out of universe TRO appearance is the default variant for the info box and the like. The BNC-3E is the first variant released out-of-universe (good old TRO:3025) where the BNC-1E is the first one in-universe but didn't appear until XTRO:Primatives. The issue also becomes especially painful for 'Mechs from earlier sourcebooks like the ''Cataphract'' and ''Wolfound'' which had 3025-tech versions in sourcebook form, but first appeared in in a TRO in TRO3050 so their upgraded versions are the info-box/default variant. The Banhsee though I doubt will swap because the BNC-1E uses primative tech rules which unlike the BNC-3E using introductary rule level technology.[[User:Cyc|Cyc]] ([[User talk:Cyc|talk]]) 17:45, 31 July 2014 (PDT) ::Okay, that makes a lot of sense; thanks for explaining that. {{emoticon | :) }} -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 20:25, 31 July 2014 (PDT) :::The problem with this is that it screws up the Battlemech Timetable, which uses Production Year to determine what year it was introduced. The Banshee is an extremely early design, yet it shows up much later on the timetable as a result. [[User:Mattiator|Mattiator]] ([[User talk:Mattiator|talk]]) 15:21, 22 October 2014 (PDT) ::::Okay, I think that should work a little better, changed the "Production year" to an "Introduced" in the infobox to stop it from conflicting with the Battlemech Timetable. [[User:Mattiator|Mattiator]] ([[User talk:Mattiator|talk]]) 15:43, 22 October 2014 (PDT) == LFE and Heavy Gauss? == How is that possible? :BNC-6S? --[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 16:57, 13 April 2019 (EDT) ::I'd assume so and I'd probably assume question is from a MWO player. The BNC-6S uses something that is not included in MWO - Crit Splitting. The HGR criticals are split between left (nine) and center torsos (remaining two) to allow the use of a LFE and CASE in the left torso, restricts the firing arc to the CT/most restrictive but very useful in this case. [[User:Cyc|Cyc]] ([[User talk:Cyc|talk]]) 17:21, 13 April 2019 (EDT) :::Right on the money with your assumption! Thanks for clearing that up for me! == Primary art == I know usually we've used the most recent stuff from the Rec Guide, but there's a pretty big difference between the unit described in the box (the 3E) and the 12S from the Rec Guide. If we were treating the 3S as the primary Banshee, I don't think it would be as much of an issue. But I think, given that we're using the 3E, we should at least have something with both hands. Thoughts? --17:02, 4 August 2021 (EDT)~~ :In this case, it doesn't bother me either way. I know the new art is attached to the 12S, but it's also good for the 3S (which is still a far cry from the 3E). For the most part, all the updated artwork has been drawn to match the original model, with a new-tech variant created to make it as WYSIWYG as possible and still playable in the modern era. It's just that there's no love for the 3E.--[[User:Cache|Cache]] ([[User talk:Cache|talk]]) 17:52, 4 August 2021 (EDT) ::I realize it's kind of pedantic, but I think it's weird to have a box that says "1x PPC 1x AC/5 1x small laser" and then above it there's a mech with three main guns, a whole mess of secondaries and a missile launcher on top. The art isn't usually of the exact same mech, but you can usually fool yourself into it. Not so with this one. Seems like the primary art should be a 3E or something similar if we're going to continue treating the 3E as the main Banshee.--[[User:ReinhardtSteiner|ReinhardtSteiner]] ([[User talk:ReinhardtSteiner|talk]]) 20:59, 4 August 2021 (EDT) ::::I am not aware of any rule that dictates exactly what variant is in the infobox. It is customary for the variant that features in the original TRO entry but I do not think switching it out for the 3S would be too much trouble, and would facilitate the use of the new art.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 23:33, 4 August 2021 (EDT) :::::The question which variant (and which image) belongs in the infobox is an as-yet unresolved issue on which there seems to be no user consensus so far. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 05:26, 5 August 2021 (EDT) :::::Revisiting this here: [[Policy Talk:Images#Lead Image for Infobox]] [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 05:23, 19 August 2021 (EDT) ::::::I think, based on the conversation in the images policy thread, I'd be comfortable with changing the "main" Banshee to the 3S. That seems to be VERY MUCH the way the wind is blowing from CGL, between TRO: Succession Wars treating the 3E as the variant and the KS minis excluding the 3E for the 3S. If anyone has any very pressing objections, I'll be sharpening my edit-hatchet for a bit before I do this.--[[User:ReinhardtSteiner|ReinhardtSteiner]] ([[User talk:ReinhardtSteiner|talk]]) 00:32, 22 August 2021 (EDT) :::::::I'm deathly afraid of any drive to put any "current" information front and center on Sarna. It is a fleeting concept, frequently changing, and we'd end up chasing ghosts and shadows across the breadth of Sarna forever. This is simply not sustainable. Nobody is going to do that work, and as a result the wiki will be frequently outdated instead of merely not quite up to date. :::::::The only sustainable approach I can think of is to build it up in chronological order. Example page to follow once I find the time; it will be the ''[[Archer]]'' page. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 01:36, 23 August 2021 (EDT)

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