Editing Talk:Carlyle's Commandos

= Durant Carlyle picture =
I have no clue about editing the page but if someone can add...
On 8 April 2990 the Commandos consisted of
Major Jonathan Colby Wolverine
Zeller Commando
Hernandez Commado 
Hauptman Shadow Hawk


Durant Carlyle Shadow Hawk
Natalie Bryant Catapult
David Pryor Thunderbolt
Raul De Salva Commando

Source pg. 8,9, and 16 Eyestorm


=Line Developer ruling (archived for reference)=
On 6 July, 2012, 19:04:58, [[Line Developer|BattleTech Line Developer]] [[Herbert A. Beas]] (as user "HABeas2") posted the following in a thread on the CBT forum when asked about the nature and size of Carlyle's Commandos (retrieved for reference from [http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,20787.msg464770.html#msg464770 here]):<br />'''(Begin quote)'''
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Hello,

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They were a mix. The lance of Lyran regulars was augmented by Carlyle's Commandos, which included two Mech lances, and possibly some locally raised vehicle support. Likely as they felt the Steiner government had abandoned them (IIRC, this was in the days of Alessandro's "Concentrated Weakness" strategy, so it's easy to lose faith in the government there), the Lyran lance simply accepted Durant as their CO and became de facto mercs as well. 

Then suddenly, Hassad Ricol!
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Hopefully, that helps. (*starts timer*)

Thank you,

Herbert Beas<br />BattleTech<br />Catalyst Game Labs
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'''(End quote)''' [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 00:43, 6 July 2012 (PDT)

=Talk Page=
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I edited this thread Sept 14,2007 to remove the listed Jump ship from the units assests.  The listed jump ship was a merchant ship that was used to ferry diplomats between the OC and Lyran Commonwealth before it was hijacked by Duke Riccols people for the assult on Trellwan.  After Trellwan Grayson Carlyle had the jumpship and 2 merchant union Drop Ships as his transports.
*Where does this information come from? As far as I'm aware, Carlyle's Commandos explicitly mention their own their own JumpShip, the Invidious, in the first book (Decision at Thunder Rift); the ship was revealed to be of Merchant class in some BT sourcebook. They certainly had no chance to capture a Kurita JumpShip at Trell, being stranded without a dropship and fighting a delaying guerilla action on the ground. Duke Ricol, on the other hand, was stated to own a Monolith class vessel in an article about him on either BattleTechnology or Shrapnel. But I could be wrong, I don't have the book anymore so cannot look it up. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 03:19, 15 September 2007 (CDT)

::I can't seem to find my copy of ''Decision at Thunder Rift'', but I think a friend of mine still has his. I'll ask him and try to confirm it. In ''Mercenary's Star'' (the next in the series), they definitely have the ''Invidious'' and the ''Phobos''. A second DropShip is not mentioned that I recall, but I'll double-check. [[User:Bdevoe|Bdevoe]] 01:47, 16 September 2007 (CDT)

:::I was checking ''Mercenary's Star'' and did find mention of the '''Deimos''' (as I suspected), but nothing beyond its existence. I think it's discussed in the other books - ''Price of Glory'' and ''Decision at Thunder Rift''. I'm still trying to locate a copy of ''Thunder Rift'', but the [[Gray Death Legion]] definitely had two DropShips at the beginning of ''Mercenary's Star''. [[User:Bdevoe|Bdevoe]] 22:17, 17 September 2007 (CDT)

== Regarding the Merge Proposal... ==

I vote no, as the unit did actually exist as an independent unit at one point. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 21:13, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
:If I remember correctly, Carlyle's Commandos was destroyed. The son of one of the unit's members founded a new merc unit, the Gray Death Legion. I believe that's the only link between the two commands. Based upon that, I vote '''no'''. --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 23:44, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
::Distinct entity from the Gray Death Legion; so I'd say no to a merger. [[User:Dirk Bastion|Dirk Bastion]] 06:28, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
:::Actually, despite being the person who originally created this article, I was thinking about merging, too. Basically, the Gray Death Legion doesn't exist or feature in Decision at Thunder Rift; in that novel Grayson factually takes command of the shattered remnants of Carlyle's Commandos, plus some ad-hoc militia forces. The Gray Death Legion proper forms only afterwards from the hodgepodge troops Carlyle led on Trellwan. You could argue that there is sort of an organic transition from the first merc unit into the second over the course of the Trellwan campaign, warranting a merger of the articles. I don't particularly favour either approach. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 08:22, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
::I vote no as well. The article can talk about the survivors of the Commandos, but they won't be Legion until after the book was done. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 10:46, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

== Mercenarys or House Unit? ==
The [[Gray Death Legion (scenario pack)]] says on page 6 that Carlyle's Commandos were a regular Steiner Unit. Is there a source that claims they were Mercs? [[User:Harry|Harry]] 15:34, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
:Yes the Gray Day Legion trilogy, [[Mercenary's Star (novel)]], [[Decision at Thunder Rift]], etc.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 20:08, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
::Hm, really? Im reading the book at the moment again and there is no indication that the Commandos are mercenarys. In fact they are talking about House Steiner a lot. But Im just halfway through, maybe there is something in the later part of the book.[[User:Harry|Harry]] 20:27, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
:::I am convinced now that they were a regular House Unit. In [[Decision at Thunder Rift]] are several evidences: On page 17 Carlyle's soldiers are called House Troopers, on page 42 the Commandos are in fact called a House Steiner BattleMech Lance and on their Dropship is a huge Steiner fist (p. 54). The word of mercenary appears just a single time with the creation of the GDL. As mentioned above the [[Gray Death Legion (scenario pack)]] also claimes that they were regulars. I will change the article, it can be made undone if it turns out that I am wrong. [[User:Harry|Harry]] 10:23, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
::::Stumbled across something: In ''[[The Price of Glory]]'' (p. 193), Carlyle's Commandos are expressly described as "a combined-arms mercenary force consisting of a BattleMech company and several platoons of infantry". That answers the question. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 14:17, 26 March 2012 (PDT)

== Durant Carlyle picture ==
The picture file doesn't name a page in its file attributions so the context is a bit unclear. But I distinctively recall that Durant Carlyle's ''[[Phoenix Hawk]]'' was destroyed when the [[Oberon Confederation]] DropShip unexpectedly opened fire on him. In the picture, however, there is a ''[[Marauder]]'' clearly visible. When Carlyle's 'Mech was destroyed, enemy 'Mechs had not yet been deployed. So it might not actually be the scene in question. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 12:38, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
:That's not correct. He fought against the Marauder and was finally killed by a punch from its arm (p.37). [[User:Harry|Harry]] 13:07, 19 June 2011 (UTC)