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:''See also: [[Reseen]]''
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'''Unseen''' refers to certain imagery, namely the visual appearance of a number of iconic [[BattleMech]]s, that has not been depicted in official publications since 1994 for legal reasons.<br />To wit, only their visual appearance may not be officially used anymore; the units as such (particularly their names and game stats) remain part of the [[BattleTech]] canon and are even frequently mentioned in novels and fiction. Neither the images nor the units they represent were retconned out.
  
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'''"Unseen"''', in the context of [[BattleTech]], is used alternatively as an adjective (as in an image or design being "unseen"), or as a noun (referring to such "unseen" designs as "an" or "the" "Unseen").
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The term is alternatively used to summarily refer to the real-world imagery as such, to the particular in-universe designs (and subvariants) in question, or as an adjective.
  
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==Overview==
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The list of "Unseen" has repeatedly changed over time, with some individual designs put on and removed from the list several times.
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The "Unseen" issue arose in 1996, in the wake of a series of lawsuits. The word refers to certain real-world imagery, namely the visual appearance (artwork) of a number of iconic [[BattleMech]]s plus a handful of other units that BattleTech producer [[FASA]] agreed to not use forthwith. The use of these so-called Unseen images in a BattleTech context was discontinued. Although the units that they represent continue to exist within the [[canon]] lore of the fictional BattleTech universe as such, their original visual artwork is not used anymore in print (or electronic) products or as miniature sculpts.
 
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In 2015 Catalyst Game Labs (the current licensee) announced that they had opted for a proper retcon, and that new art would be published to retroactively replace the Unseen designs and put the issue to rest for good. Since then, various products have appeared featuring new yet recognizable artwork for the classic Unseen.
 
  
 
==Unseen==
 
==Unseen==
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: ''Main article:'' [[Unseen lawsuits]]
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:''Main article:'' [[Unseen lawsuits]]
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===Background===
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When [[FASA]] created the BattleTech boardgame in 1984, the designers licensed the rights to use pre-existing [[w:Mecha|Mecha]] from other [[w:Intellectual Property|IPs]], namely the Japanese anime series' ''[[w:The Super Dimension Fortress Macross|The Super Dimension Fortress Macross]]'', ''[[w:Fang of the Sun Dougram|Fang of the Sun Dougram]]'' and ''[[w:Crusher Joe|Crusher Joe]]'' as visual representation of several 'Mechs and other units within the BattleTech universe (under new names and with BattleTech game stats devised entirely by FASA). However, during a series of lawsuits in 1994 FASA found out that [[Twentieth Century Imports|Twentieth Century Imports (TCI)]], from whom FASA's rights to the images derived, might not have been in a legal position to provide these rights to FASA in the first place. The lawsuits were settled out of court.
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When [[FASA]] created the ''[[Battledroids]]'' board game in 1984 that would become [[BattleTech (board game)|BattleTech]], the designers licensed the rights from [[Twentieth Century Imports|Twentieth Century Imports (TCI)]] to use certain preexisting [[w:Mecha|mecha]] from the Japanese anime series ''[[w:The Super Dimension Fortress Macross|The Super Dimension Fortress Macross]]'', ''[[w:Fang of the Sun Dougram|Fang of the Sun Dougram]]'' and ''[[w:Crusher Joe|Crusher Joe]]''. These mecha then served as the visual representation of several BattleMechs and other units within the BattleTech universe, with BattleTech-specific names and game stats devised entirely by FASA and totally unrelated to the context of the original mecha.
 
  
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===1996 Settlement===
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As part of the settlement agreement, FASA forfeited the right to use the images henceforth. As this affected many core designs which have been described as the bedrock of the BattleTech universe at the time, this was a serious blow to FASA. All existing products featuring pictures of the "Unseen", be it on the cover or in the rulebooks&mdash;effectively most if not all BattleTech publications&mdash;had to be discontinued, and while numerous other designs remained that could still be depicted, this massively affected the BattleTech line.
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During a series of lawsuits FASA later found out that TCI might not have been in a legal position to provide these rights to FASA in the first place. However, this was ultimately never decided in court. The lawsuits were settled out of court in 1996.
 
  
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As part of the settlement agreement, which included a nondisclosure agreement, FASA forfeited the right to use the images in question thenceforth. This affected many core designs which have been described as the bedrock of the BattleTech universe at the time, and thus was a serious blow to FASA. All existing products featuring pictures of the Unseen, be it on the cover or within the rulebooks—effectively most if not all BattleTech publications—had to be discontinued, and while numerous other original designs remained that could still be depicted, this massively affected the BattleTech line. Miniature molds had to be destroyed as well.
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Beyond the specific artwork covered in the "Unseen" lawsuits, FASA decided to treat all designs as "Unseen" that had been developed out-of-house, such as the designs made for FASA by [[Victor Musical Industries, Inc.]] As a result, there are two unofficial categories of "Unseen" images:
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*Images to which FASA found they might never have legally acquired the rights to, and which they are not allowed to use or show;
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*Images which were never contested and to which FASA did obtain the rights, but which, being out-of-house artwork, are not used on general principle.
  
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Beyond the specific artwork covered in the Unseen lawsuits and settlement, FASA decided to summarily treat all designs as Unseen that had been developed out-of-house on general principle as a precaution. This included some designs that had not been covered in the court case, but shared the same background as the contested ones, but also unrelated third-party artwork to which FASA did have full rights.
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==Reseen==
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In 2003, ''[[Technical Readout: Project Phoenix]]'' was published that postulated upgrades and newer versions for most of the "Unseen" 'Mechs from the in-game year [[3067]] forthwith. Dubbed '''Reseen''', these evolutions were sufficiently visually different from their parent designs that they could be depicted. ''[[Technical Readout: 3055 Upgrade]]'' continued with "Phoenix" upgrades for the remaining "Unseen" 'Mechs, and the "Reseen" [[Samurai]] first appeared in ''[[AeroTech 2 Revised Edition]]'' and then in ''[[Technical Readout: 3039]]''.
  
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When they first announced the settlement, FASA also provided an initial list of Unseen designs. This list was repeatedly updated over time as the legal situation (or how it was perceived) changed. Some individual units were even put on and removed again from the list several times.
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To wit, the "Reseen" did not replace the "Unseen" variants, or [[retcon]] them out. They are new, additional designs with new art, meant to gradually replace the "Unseen" as the timeline progresses.
  
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===Project Phoenix===
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The term "Reseen" is also applied to designs that were "Unseen" at one point, but were taken off the list again.
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FanPro, then the holder of the [[Classic BattleTech]] license, published ''[[Technical Readout: Project Phoenix]]'' in 2003. Set in the year [[3067]], it introduced a series of new, additional 'Mech designs that were in-universe evolutions of older Unseen with a significant visual makeover. These new 'Mechs were meant to supersede their predecessors forthwith, but did not retroactively replace them. Additional Project Phoenix refits were published in later books. Despite this potential workaround, the Unseen issue as such remained unresolved.
 
  
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===''25 Years of Art and Fiction''===
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===Those Affected===
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On 24 June 2009 it was announced that Catalyst Game Labs, now holding the BattleTech license, would resume use of the original Unseen artwork. The announcement did not explicitly mention whether or not Catalyst Game Labs had secured the permissions needed, though that was the general impression.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20090728102508/http://catalystgamelabs.com/2009/06/24/catalyst-game-labs-brings-back-Unseen/ Catalyst Game Labs website: "Catalyst Game Labs Brings Back 'Unseen'"]</ref> This was just prior to the print publication of the ''[[BattleTech: 25 Years of Art & Fiction]]'' anniversary tome.
 
  
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Shortly afterwards, the ''BattleTech: 25 Years of Art & Fiction'' electronic edition was pulled from circulation. Managing editor [[Randall Bills]] made a statement on Catalyst Game Labs' website on 10 August 2009 where he explained with regret that twelve designs originating from Macross remain Unseen, due to the possibility that their exclusive distribution rights (outside of Japan) belonged to another company (Harmony Gold). Apparently, CGL had been unaware of a hitherto confidential clause in the original settlement agreement.<ref>[http://web.archive.org/web/20100104000214/http://catalystgamelabs.com/2009/08/10/sometimes-things-just-dont-go-as-you-want-them-to/ Catalyst Game Labs website: "Sometimes Things Just Don’t Go As We Want Them To"]</ref> Still, roughly half of the Unseen artwork had been recovered for BattleTech. During this period of time, (formerly) Unseen art appeared in several products including the print edition of ''BattleTech: 25 Years of Art & Fiction'' (different from the initial PDF release in that the Macross designs had been removed again), ''[[Record Sheets: Operation Klondike]]'', ''[[Historical Turning Points: Galtor]]'', ''[[Historical: Reunification War]]'', and ''[[Record Sheets: 3055 Upgrade]]''.
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All of the Unseen have at least one Reseen variant. Please refer to the list of Unseen.  
  
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However, to avoid the possibility of future legal issues in what was perceived as a legal minefield, CGL decided to revert to the previous Unseen situation.
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Some highlights:
  
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===2009: Harmony Gold takes down ''Mechwarrior: 3015'' trailer===
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* Reseen Inner Sphere BattleMechs from Project Phoenix with new variants (and new or altered artwork) include the ''[[Locust]]'', ''[[Stinger]]'', ''[[Wasp]]'', ''[[Valkyrie]]'', ''[[Phoenix Hawk]]'', ''[[Griffin]]'', ''[[Scorpion (BattleMech)|Scorpion]]'', ''[[Shadow Hawk]]'', ''[[Wolverine (BattleMech)|Wolverine]]'', ''[[Rifleman]]'', ''[[Crusader]]'', ''[[Thunderbolt]]'', ''[[Archer]]'', ''[[Warhammer]]'', ''[[Marauder]]'', ''[[Goliath]]'', ''[[BattleMaster]]'', ''[[Longbow]]'', and ''[[Marauder II]]''. Variants of these 'Mechs prior to the year 3067 remain Unseen.
  
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On September 3, 2009, shortly after posting preview videos and images of the game, IGN was issued a cease and desist order by Harmony Gold USA (owners of the Robotech franchise), citing copyright infringement over the use of several BattleMech designs allegedly based on mecha designs derived from the Macross series. Specifically, the trailer for ''MechWarrior'' featured the ''Warhammer'', which is similar in design to the Destroid Tomahawk from the Macross and Robotech Series. The ''Warhammer'', as well as several other BattleMechs, such as the ''Marauder'' and ''Archer'', were an important part of the early BattleTech universe and image, but were based on images from Macross and other mecha anime series that FASA had licensed from the original Japanese creators but which Harmony Gold claimed as their own property inside the United States. The C&D from Harmony Gold did not have any effect on the viability of landing a publishing deal for a ''MechWarrior'' project:
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* The original ''[[Ostscout]]'', ''[[Ostroc]]'', and ''[[Ostsol]]'' variants were Unseen at one point, but were removed from the list. Their original variants can legally be used with their original artwork.  
  
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''"Contrary to all the press and speculation that Harmony Gold was getting in the way of a deal or development, this had no impact whatsoever on development or signing a deal for MechWarrior."''
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* The 3025 ''[[Galleon]]'' Light Tank remains Unseen, but subsequent variants are Reseen, using revised artwork.
  
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In June 2011, Bryan Ekman, from Piranha Games, tweeted that there was, in fact, no dispute with Harmony Gold, and that they were not responsible for the game's delay.
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An exact listing of which variants are Unseen and which are Reseen for all affected BattleMechs and vehicles is desired, but currently unavailable.
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===Retcon===
 
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In 2015 Catalyst Game Labs announced that they had opted for a proper retcon, and that new art would be created to retroactively replace the Unseen designs and put the issue to rest for good. Since then, various products have appeared featuring new yet recognizable artwork for the classic Unseen.
 
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===2017: Harmony Gold sues, ultimately loses===
 
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Around 2013 and 2015, all the BattleTech and MechWarrior properties had started reintroducing redesigned versions of the Unseen 'Mechs, including the ''Warhammer'', ''Marauder'', and ''Rifleman''. Catalyst Game Labs had started using the ''Warhammer'', ''Marauder'', and ''Rifleman'' as part of cover artwork for various products; Piranha Games Interactive had introduced the ''Marauder'', ''Warhammer'', ''Archer'', and ''Rifleman'' redesigned by Alex Iglesias in the fall of 2015; and Harebrained Schemes had reused those same 'Mechs and their models from MechWarrior: Online for their upcoming BattleTech video game as part of their Kickstarter and in the first alpha gameplay video.
 
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On March 1st, 2017, Harmony Gold filed lawsuit against Catalyst Game Labs, Piranha Games Interactive, and Harebrained Schemes over the use of not only the four redesigned Unseen 'Mechs, but also the ''Atlas'' and the ''Shadow Hawk'' in the case of Harebrained Schemes' BattleTech video game. Catalyst Game Labs defaulted on the lawsuit, while the case against Harebrained Schemes over the ''Atlas'', ''Shadow Hawk'', and ''Locust'' was dismissed with prejudice on April 9, 2018. This still left the Unseen 'Mechs as part of the lawsuit that would still affect Catalyst Game Labs, Piranha Games Interactive, and Harebrained Schemes. After taking the copyright-trolling threats by Harmony Gold head-on, Piranha Games Interactive did not back down and in the end managed to have the case dismissed with prejudice and Harmony Gold agreeing to an undisclosed settlement that demonstratively allowed PGI, Catalyst Game Labs, and Harebrained Schemes to continue the use of the redesigned Unseen 'Mechs. Harebrained Schemes would later reintroduce the redesigned Unseen 'Mechs in the Heavy Metal expansion pack in 2019 and Catalyst Game Labs accompanied their public announcement about the case's dismissal with a large artwork of the redesigned ''Marauder'' by Marco Mazzoni.
 
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==Affected Designs==
 
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All of the Unseen have at least one Reseen variant. Please refer to the list of Unseen.
 
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Some highlights:
 
  
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* Reseen Inner Sphere BattleMechs from Project Phoenix with new variants (and new or altered artwork) include the ''[[Locust]]'', ''[[Stinger]]'', ''[[Wasp]]'', ''[[Valkyrie]]'', ''[[Phoenix Hawk]]'', ''[[Griffin]]'', ''[[Scorpion (BattleMech)|Scorpion]]'', ''[[Shadow Hawk]]'', ''[[Wolverine (BattleMech)|Wolverine]]'', ''[[Rifleman]]'', ''[[Crusader]]'', ''[[Thunderbolt]]'', ''[[Archer]]'', ''[[Warhammer]]'', ''[[Marauder]]'', ''[[Goliath]]'', ''[[BattleMaster]]'', ''[[Longbow]]'', and ''[[Marauder II]]''. Images of these 'Mechs associated with variants dated prior to the year 3067 remain Unseen.
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==25 Years of Art and Fiction==
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On 24 June, 2009, it was announced that [[Catalyst Game Labs]] would resume use of the original "Unseen" artwork for these designs.  The announcement did not mention whether or not Catalyst Game Labs had secured the permissions needed. <ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20090728102508/http://catalystgamelabs.com/2009/06/24/catalyst-game-labs-brings-back-Unseen/ Catalyst Game Labs website, "Catalyst Game Labs Brings Back “Unseen”"]</ref>
  
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* The original ''[[:File:Ostscout.jpg|Ostscout]]'', ''[[:File:Ostroc.jpg|Ostroc]]'', and ''[[:File:3025ostsol.jpg|Ostsol]]'' images were Unseen at one point, but were removed from the list in 2011.<ref name=Forum326119>[https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=12015.msg326119#msg326119 Re: The Unseen - a Reseen IIC Explanation, and a List (Updated, December 2011)]</ref> Their original variants can legally be used with their original artwork.
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Shortly after the return of the "Unseen" was announced, the ''[[BattleTech: 25 Years of Art & Fiction]]'' PDF was pulled from circulation. Managing editor [[Randall Bills]] made a statement on Catalyst Game Labs' website on August 10th, 2009 explaining the move. Twelve designs, originating from Macross, were again pulled from circulation and will remain "Unseen", due to their exclusive distribution rights (outside of Japan) belonging to another company (Harmony Gold).<ref>[http://battletech.catalystgamelabs.com/2009/08/10/sometimes-things-just-dont-go-as-we-want-them-to Catalyst Game Labs website, "Sometimes Things Just Don’t Go As We Want Them To"]</ref>
  
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* The ''[[Technical Readout: 3025|TRO:3025]]'' [[:File:Galleon.jpg| Galleon Light Tank image]] remains Unseen, but the ''[[Technical Readout: 3058|TRO:3058]]'' [[:File:Galleon-3058.png|GAL-102 image]] was removed from the list<ref name=Forum987134>[https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=12015.msg987134#msg987134 Re: The Unseen - a Reseen IIC Explanation, and a List (Updated, November 2014)]</ref> and can legally be used.
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Since the article was written, further clarification was given that most of the images previously declared "Unseen" would remain "Unseen" in order to avoid the possibility of future legal issues.
  
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An exact listing of which variants are Unseen and which are Reseen for all affected BattleMechs and vehicles is desired, but currently unavailable.
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During this period of time, "Unseen" images were added to several other products in the production queue and were not removed prior to initial distribution.  This was not a declaration that the images would be used again and they will be removed when the product is updated.  These products include ''[[Record Sheets: Operation Klondike]]'', ''[[Historical Turning Points: Galtor]]'', ''[[Historical: Reunification War]]'', and ''[[Record Sheets: 3055 Upgrade]]''.
  
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==Alphabetical List of the Unseen==
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==Alphabetical List of the "Unseen"==
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: ''[[Archer]]''
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:''[[Archer]]''
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: ''[[Bane (Kraken)]]''
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:''[[Battlemaster]]''
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: ''[[BattleMaster]]''
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:''[[Black Python (Viper)]]''
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: ''[[Black Python (Viper)]]''
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:''[[Conjurer (Hellhound)]]''
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: ''[[Conjurer (Hellhound)]]''
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:''[[Crusader]]''
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: ''[[Crusader]]''
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:[[Galleon]] Light Tank (Only the image from [[Technical Readout: 3025]])
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: [[Galleon]] Light Tank (Only the image from ''[[Technical Readout: 3025]]'')
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:''[[Glass Spider (Galahad)]]''
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: ''[[Glass Spider (Galahad)]]''
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:''[[Goliath]]''
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: ''[[Goliath]]''
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:''[[Grand Crusader]]''
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: ''[[Grand Crusader]]''
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:''[[Griffin]]''
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: ''[[Griffin]]''
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:''[[Griffin IIC]]''
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: ''[[Griffin IIC]]''
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:''[[Horned Owl (Peregrine)]]''
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: ''[[Horned Owl (Peregrine)]]''
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:''[[Howler (Baboon)]]''
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: ''[[Howler (Baboon)]]''
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:''[[Incubus (Vixen)]]''
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: ''[[Incubus (Vixen)]]''
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:''[[Jenner IIC]]''
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: ''[[Jenner IIC]]''
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:''[[Locust]]''
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: ''[[Locust]]''
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:''[[Locust IIC]]''
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: ''[[Locust IIC]]''
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:''[[Longbow]]''
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: ''[[Longbow]]''
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:''[[Marauder]]''
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: ''[[Marauder]]''
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:''[[Marauder II]]''
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: ''[[Marauder II]]''
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:''[[Marauder IIC]]''
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: ''[[Marauder IIC]]''
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:''[[Nexus]]''
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: ''[[Nexus (Star Python)|Nexus]]''
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:''[[Phoenix Hawk]]''
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: ''[[Phoenix Hawk]]''
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:''[[Phoenix Hawk IIC]]''
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: ''[[Phoenix Hawk IIC]]''
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:''[[Phoenix Hawk LAM]]''
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: ''[[Phoenix Hawk LAM]]''
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:''[[Raijin]]''
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: ''[[Raijin (Fujin)|Raijin]]''
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:''[[Rifleman]]''
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: ''[[Rifleman]]''
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:''[[Rifleman IIC]]''
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: ''[[Rifleman IIC]]''
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:''[[Samurai]]'' AeroSpace Fighter
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: ''[[Samurai]]'' aerospace fighter
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:''[[Scorpion]]''
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: ''[[Scorpion]]''
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:''[[Shadow Hawk]]''
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: ''[[Shadow Hawk]]''
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:''[[Shadow Hawk IIC]]''
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: ''[[Shadow Hawk IIC]]''
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:''[[Stinger]]''
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: ''[[Stinger]]''
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:''[[Stinger LAM]]''
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: ''[[Stinger LAM]]''
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:''[[Thunderbolt]]''
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: ''[[Stone Rhino (Behemoth)]]''
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:''[[Valkyrie]]''
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: ''[[Thunderbolt]]''
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:''[[Vapor Eagle (Goshawk)]]''
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: ''[[Valkyrie]]''
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:''[[Warhammer]]''
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: ''[[Vapor Eagle (Goshawk)]]''
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:''[[Warhammer IIC]]''
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: ''[[Warhammer]]''
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:''[[Wasp]]''
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: ''[[Warhammer IIC]]''
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:''[[Wasp LAM]]''
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: ''[[Wasp]]''
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:''[[Wolverine]]''
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: ''[[Wasp LAM]]''
 
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: ''[[Wolverine]]''
 
  
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==Origins of the Unseen==
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==Origins of the "Unseen"==
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Below, the Unseen are divided into categories based on their original series or creator.  Each unit is listed by its BattleTech name first, followed by the model and/or name used in its original series (where applicable).
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Below, the "Unseen" are divided into categories based on their original series or creator.  Each unit is listed by its BattleTech name first, followed by the model and/or name used in its original series (where applicable).
  
 
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===''Super Dimension Fortress Macross''===
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* VF-1 Valkyrie
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*VF-1 Valkyrie
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This mecha from the ''Super Dimension Fortress Macross'' series normally transformed into the three combat modes recognized in BattleTech by [[Land-Air BattleMech|Land-Air 'Mechs]].  Within the BattleTech game this one vehicle was split into distinct nontransformable 'Mechs models and LAM models.  The LAMs, true to their artistic origin, could transform into aerospace fighter, hybrid, and 'Mech mode.
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This Mecha from the ''Super Dimension Fortress Macross'' series normally transformed into the three combat modes recognized in BattleTech by [[LAM|Land Air 'Mechs]].  Within the BattleTech game this one vehicle was split into distinct non-transformable 'Mechs models and LAM models.  The LAMs, true to their artistic origin, could transform into aerospace fighter, hybrid, and 'Mech mode.
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:''Wasp'' - VF-1S
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::* ''Wasp LAM'' - VF-1S
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:''Wasp LAM'' - VF-1S
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::* ''Stinger'' - VF-1A
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:''Stinger'' - VF-1A
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::* ''Stinger LAM'' - VF-1A
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:''Stinger LAM'' - VF-1A
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::* ''Valkyrie'' - VF-1S
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:''Valkyrie'' - VF-1S
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::* ''Phoenix Hawk'' - VF-1S Super Valkyrie
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:''Phoenix Hawk'' - VF-1S Super Valkyrie
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::* ''Phoenix Hawk LAM'' - VF-1S Super Valkyrie
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:''Phoenix Hawk LAM'' - VF-1S Super Valkyrie
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::* ''Crusader'' - VF-1A Armored Valkyrie
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:''Crusader'' - VF-1A Armored Valkyrie
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* Destroids
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*Destroids
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Destroids are nontransformable combat mecha. As such, their designs were easily transported to BattleTech. Although rules limitations necessitated the removal of weapons in the case of the Spartan/''Archer'' (a gun cluster(same as the Tomahawk below) in the center of the chest, but gained arm-mounted [[medium laser]]s in exchange) and Tomahawk/''Warhammer'' (torso-mounted missile launchers, altered armament in the side torso weapons clusters(included flamethrowers, autocannons and grenade launchers) and one machine gun in the head).
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:''Rifleman'' - ADR-04-Mk.X Destroid Defender
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::* ''Rifleman'' - ADR-04-Mk.X Destroid Defender
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:''Archer'' - MBR-07-Mk.II Destroid Spartan
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::* ''Archer'' - MBR-07-Mk.II Destroid Spartan
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:''Warhammer'' - MBR-04-Mk.VI Destroid Tomahawk
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::* ''Warhammer'' - MBR-04-Mk.VI Destroid Tomahawk
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:''Longbow'' - SDR-04-Mk.XII Destroid Phalanx
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::* ''Longbow'' - SDR-04-Mk.XII Destroid Phalanx
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*Zentradi Tactical Pods
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* Zentradi Tactical Pods
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:''Marauder'' - Glaug Commander Type
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::* ''Marauder'' - Glaug Commander Type
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:''Marauder II'' - Glaug Commander Type
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::* ''Marauder II'' - Glaug Commander Type
 
  
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* Returned
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*Returned
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:In December of 2011, BattleTech's line developer ruled that the ''[[Ostscout]]'', ''[[Ostsol]]'', and ''[[Ostroc]]'' were sufficiently different from their inspiration (Regult Scout Pod, Regult Battle Pod, and Regult Heavy Missile Pod, respectively) to be removed from the Unseen list.<ref name=Forum326119 />
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:In December of 2011, BattleTech's line developer ruled that the ''[[Ostscout]]'', ''[[Ostsol]]'', and ''[[Ostroc]]'' were sufficiently different from their inspiration (Regult Scout Pod, Regult Battle Pod, and Regult Heavy Missile Pod, respectively) to be removed from the "Unseen" list.<ref name=bg.battletech.com_dec2011>http://bg.battletech.com/forums/miniatures/the-unseen-a-reseen-iic-explanation-and-a-list-(updated-december-2011)/msg326119/#msg326119</ref>  
  
 
===''Crusher Joe''===
 
===''Crusher Joe''===
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::* ''Locust'' - Ostall
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:''Locust'' - Ostall
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::* ''Samurai'' aerospace fighter - TR-5 Harpy
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:''Samurai'' AeroSpace Fighter - TR-5 Harpy
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::* Galleon Light Tank (3025) - Galleon
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:Galleon Light Tank (3025) - Galleon
  
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* Returned
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*Returned
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:The ''[[Technical Readout: 3058]]'' version of the Galleon was ruled, in December 2011, to be similar enough to the original that it should be removed;<ref name=Forum326119/> however, that decision was reversed in November 2014.<ref name=Forum987134 />
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:The ''[[Technical Readout: 3058]]'' version of the Galleon was ruled, in December 2011, to be similar enough to the original that it should be removed<ref name=bg.battletech.com_dec2011/>, however, that decision was reversed in November 2014.<ref>http://bg.battletech.com/forums/miniatures/the-unseen-a-reseen-iic-explanation-and-a-list-(updated-december-2011)/msg987134/#msg987134</ref>
  
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* Other units of note
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*Other units of note
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: While inspired by Crusher Joe images, the following have never been Unseen:
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:While inspired by Crusher Joe images, the following have never been "Unseen":
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::* ''Sparrowhawk'' aerospace fighter - TR-5 Harpy and SR-5 Siren
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::''Sparrowhawk'' AeroSpace Fighter - TR-5 Harpy and SR-5 Siren
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::* ''Corsair'' aerospace fighter - SR-5 Siren
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::''Corsair'' AeroSpace Fighter - SR-5 Siren
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::* ''Leopard'' DropShip - ''Minerva''
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::''Leopard'' Dropship - Minerva
  
 
===''Fang of the Sun: Dougram''===
 
===''Fang of the Sun: Dougram''===
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::* ''Shadow Hawk'' - DIM Dougram
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:''Shadow Hawk'' - Dougram
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::* ''Griffin'' - Soltic H8 Roundfacer
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:''Griffin'' - Soltic H8 Roundfacer
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::* ''Scorpion'' - Abitate F35C Blizzard Gunner
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:''Scorpion'' - F35C Blizzard Gunner
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::* ''Wolverine'' - Abitate T-10B/T-10C Blockhead
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:''Wolverine'' - Abitate T-10B/T-10C Blockhead
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::* ''Thunderbolt'' - Ironfoot F4X Hasty
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:''Thunderbolt'' - Hasty F4X Ironfoot
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::* ''Goliath'' - Abitate F44A Crab Gunner
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:''Goliath'' - Abitate F44A Crab Gunner
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::* ''BattleMaster'' - Soltic HT-128 Big Foot
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:''Battlemaster'' - Soltic HT-128 Bigfoot
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===Victor Musical Industries, Inc.===
 
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These images by Victor Musical Industries, Inc. were created for BattleTech but were removed to prevent the possibility of future legal issues.  Note that while the IIC images (with the exception of the ''Jenner IIC'') are obviously inspired by images taken from ''SDF Macross'', they were removed only because they were created by an "out-of-house" source.
 
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* Video Game Designs:
 
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::* ''Nexus''
 
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::* ''Raijin''
 
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::* ''Grand Crusader''
 
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::* ''Locust IIC''
 
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::* ''Jenner IIC''
 
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::* ''Griffin IIC''
 
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::* ''Shadow Hawk IIC''
 
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::* ''Rifleman IIC''
 
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::* ''Warhammer IIC''
 
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::* ''Phoenix Hawk IIC''
 
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::* ''Marauder IIC''
 
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* Unused Concept Art:
 
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::* ''Stone Rhino (Behemoth)''
 
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::* ''Bane (Kraken)''
 
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::* ''Howler (Baboon)''
 
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::* ''Incubus (Vixen)''
 
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::* ''Horned Owl (Peregrine)''
 
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::* ''Conjurer (Hellhound)''
 
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::* ''Vapor Eagle (Goshawk)''
 
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::* ''Glass Spider (Galahad)''
 
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::* ''Black Python (Viper)''
 
  
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==See also==
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===''Victor Musical Industries, Inc.''===
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* ''[[Unseen: A History of FASA, Battledroids and BattleTech]]''
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These images by Victor Musical Industries, Inc. were created for BattleTech but were removed to prevent the possibility of future legal issues. Note that while the IIC images (with the exception of the Jenner IIC) are obviously inspired by images taken from ''SDF Macross'', they were removed only because they were created by an "out-of-house" source.
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* [https://www.pcgamesn.com/battletech/battletech-harmony-gold-lawsuit PCGamesN: "How anime landed BattleTech and the MechWarrior games in legal trouble"] (10 October 2017)
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:''Nexus''
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:''Raijin''
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:''Grand Crusader''
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:''Howler (Baboon)''
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:''Locust IIC''
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:''Incubus (Vixen)''
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:''Jenner IIC''
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:''Horned Owl (Peregrine)''
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:''Griffin IIC''
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:''Shadow Hawk IIC''
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:''Conjurer (Hellhound)''
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:''Vapor Eagle (Goshawk)''
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:''Glass Spider (Galahad)''
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:''Rifleman IIC''
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:''Black Python (Viper)''
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:''Warhammer IIC''
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:''Phoenix Hawk IIC''
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:''Marauder IIC''
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:''Stone Rhino (Behemoth)''
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:''Bane (Kraken)''
  
 
==References==
 
==References==
 
<references/>
 
<references/>
  
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[[Category:Battletech Media Franchise]]
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[[Category: Miscellaneous]] [[Category: Unseen]]
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[[Category:'Mech classifications]]
 

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